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(New York Daily News)   George Zimmerman's legal team has been given the green light to present the "the victim was an angry black kid, so it's okay that I shot him" defense   (nydailynews.com) divider line 695
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2013-05-26 11:33:23 PM

cegorach: Facetious_Speciest: cegorach

I wonder if this story, and the reactions of conservatives, would be different if Martin was

a) White

b) A woman

And just imagine if Zimmerman had been white, or a woman. Woof.

Not much difference. He was the aggressor. Without his racial profiling-based stalking, nothing at all would have happened.

If he had been white (and he looks pretty white in comparison to Travyon, especially for people with certain biases) or female, that wouldn't change a thing.

(S)he would still be a crazy stalker who followed - and confronted - someone at night, while armed, based on the colour of their skin.

Yet in your country this is actually something apparently defended by law.

Someone stalks and confronts you based on the colour of your skin and you respond with unarmed violence - illegal.

You stalk and confront someone based on the colour of their skin and when they swing at you, you shoot them dead - legal.

Amazing. There's nothing you people won't do to venerate your firearms culture.




Gun culture? Wtf that's suppose to mean? I'm guessing your not from the USA or ever stepped ashore here.
 
2013-05-26 11:34:26 PM
sorry

Daedalus27: cegorach: Yet in your country this is actually something apparently defended by law.

Someone stalks and confronts you based on the colour of your skin and you respond with unarmed violence - illegal.

You stalk and confront someone based on the colour of their skin and when they swing at you, you shoot them dead - legal.

Amazing. There's nothing you people won't do to venerate your firearms culture.

It is not legal.  It is a potential defense that can be used if certain criteria are met and a judge or jury agree with it.  It is an excuse for conduct that otherwise would be illegal, but society decides not to punish it.  The most common one that most everyone is aware is self-defense.  The Florida stand your ground exception is a modified more expansive self defense type law which we don't know if it applies in this case yet because it hasn't been litigated. So a better catagory than legal/illegal is legal/illegal but excused if certain facts are established.

This is a very politically charged case that has been clouded by the assertions of many individuals as to what happened.  We don't know what happened that night and we need a trial to try and figure out.  The only one left who knows what happened is Zimmerman and it is in his best interest to advertise the facts in a certain way to avoid punishment.  Maybe they happened that way, maybe they didn't. All we know is Martin ended up dead by Zimmerman's hand. That doesn't mean Zimmerman should be punished necessarily, but the monday morning quarterbacks certainly seem to think they have a better understanding of the facts than anyone else.  I'll wait for the trial and verdict and predict it will satisfy few people.


Sorry, that should read illegal/illegal but excused if certain criteria are met.  Of course some iwll point out thsi reveals some subconscious racial prejdice.
 
2013-05-26 11:36:13 PM
cegorach

So you got nothing then?

Beyond mockery of your hysteria and bigotry? Not really feeling the need for much more. Throw another abbo on the barby and project more.

He hunted Martin based on skin colour.

And you know this how? Was it hatred of his black relatives and ancestors that fed his racism? He never got good Christmas presents from his grandfather? You obviously know, so share.

You've created a narrative to justify your prejudices. No obligation on my part to take it seriously.
 
2013-05-26 11:39:22 PM

ZeroCorpse: Molavian: ZeroCorpse: I just find it to be a funny coincidence-- and surely, it's just a coincidence-- that all the people defending Zimmerman also happen to be the same most-likely white macho-type guys who frequent gun threads babbling about Obama takin' their guns and how the MSM doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine.

Just a funny coincidence. Surely, the cracker gun nuts aren't also racists?!?!

We don't loathe being straight white men, either.

Good for you. I'm glad you don't loathe yourself. It probably makes it easier when you realize so many other people do it for you.

/Oh, and thanks for assuming I'm 100% white, pale-face.


Sh*t, ain't nobody 100% anything.
 
2013-05-26 11:39:58 PM

redmid17: s2s2s2: The most relevant of GZ's past actions, are the multiple times he called police regarding suspicious activity and didn't end up in an altercation with the suspects.

That and his arrest for "assaulting a police officer" came when an undercover officer was hassling his buddy (rightfully) about underage drinking in a bar. I don't think it's out of the ordinary to confront someone who appears to be threatening your buddy.


I first heard about this case when Melissa Harris Perry brought it up. I was pissed that some dude would just chase down a kid and kill him in cold blood.

I started looking into it. Then it became "Well, she kinda lied about some stuff". I find this all fascinating, because it really makes us look at what is right, versus what is legal, and how what is legal sometimes trumps what is right.

People can say all they want that if George never got out of his car...
Truth is, that wasn't the point of no return. George may have continued pursuit after ending the call with 911. There just isn't any evidence to prove it.

Based on evidence, I don't see how a rational mind could convict him.

The most fascinating part of this is watching usually loony conservatives sticking with facts and reason, and watching usually reasonable, intelligent liberals stick with emotion and what ifs.
 
2013-05-26 11:45:22 PM

s2s2s2: The most fascinating part of this is watching usually loony conservatives sticking with facts and reason, and watching usually reasonable, intelligent liberals stick with emotion and what ifs.


It's almost like they're exactly the same.
 
2013-05-26 11:47:00 PM

s2s2s2: The most relevant of GZ's past actions, are the multiple times he called police regarding suspicious activity and didn't end up in an altercation with the suspects.


Do you couple that to his words about these aholes always getting away?
 
2013-05-26 11:49:21 PM

Farkage: gimmegimme: tyrajam: Yawn. Your trolling has lost its entertainment value. Nobody believes that after your head is split open you should wait for more serious damage to occur before you defend yourself.

And no one believes that if your head is "split open" that a Band-Aid will suffice.

The one big thing I've learned from your rather "interesting" comments is anyone should feel totally safe attacking you, since even if they jump on you and slam your hear into the sidewalk you apparently feel it's impolite to pull a weapon to defend yourself.


Friend, if I track and hunt and stalk you even though you try to elude me by running away between buildings, I'm not going to be surprised if you fight back.

But I'm normal and you can only feel empathy for someone who is...well...I'll let you finish the sentence.
 
2013-05-26 11:50:20 PM

Facetious_Speciest: cegorach

So you got nothing then?

Beyond mockery of your hysteria and bigotry? Not really feeling the need for much more. Throw another abbo on the barby and project more.

He hunted Martin based on skin colour.

And you know this how? Was it hatred of his black relatives and ancestors that fed his racism? He never got good Christmas presents from his grandfather? You obviously know, so share.

You've created a narrative to justify your prejudices. No obligation on my part to take it seriously.


So what was his motivation again?

Oh that's right, he'd gone through Martin's Twitter account, phone images and Facebook account and based on all this evidence, decided to stalk him in case he was going to go murder someone!

Or what do you think Zimmerman's motivation was for hunting down this singular individual on these mean suburban streets?

Again, if you believe that things would have played out the same if Martin were white, or female, you're either being facetiously racist or just plain stupid.

Based on your smarmy replies, money's on the former, backed up by the 'my defense of this racism is in fact me taking down all those REVERSE RACISTS' screed that seems to be very popular in these threads.

Or you could just be a Libertarian, in which case you have my sympathy.
 
2013-05-26 11:50:21 PM

Oh_Enough_Already: thenumber5: Oh_Enough_Already: Where's the Fark thread filled with outrage about the innocent white folks killed by gun-toting black thugs?

Oh, right, silly me, this is Fark, that thread would be "racist."

That said, if you're all so worried about a teenage black thug getting gunned down I sure as shiat hope you never read the news, because, you know, it happens every single day.

Remind me again why this one is worth anybody's attention?

There are plenty of other black thugs out there who will be killed  - many even today, as you read this thread. Don't bogart your pretend outrage.

mostly because the local police tried the bury the case and ignore it

There was no "case." Charges were only brought due to public pressure. Besides which, the vast majority of thug murders go unsolved even when, as here, everbody knows who did it because nobody will "snitch" to the popo. That being the case, having a murder go unpunished hardly seems like such a rare thing in the black community commensurate to their ginned outrage over this.

Meanwhile, how many hundreds of white folks have been murdered by other "sons of Obama" since this all went down and the media is too chickenshiat to even mention that the suspects or those arrested are black when they report on it, yet they invent some new category of "white" just to fit Zims into their BS narrative.


Dude, I'm sorry the girl you liked rejected you and went out with a black dude, I really am. But it's time to let it go.

This case caught my attention because of the problem of cop wannabes. In Texas, nearly once a year, we hear about these department rejects putting lights on their cars and trying to pull people over. They are unhinged at best and dangerous at worst because they have the attitude and the tendency for power trips, but none of the discipline or consequence for their actions.

Zim Zim is just another fat boy who saw too many Dirty Harry movies, and now, his recklessness has gotten someone killed. One fact of all this case is indisputable. A person is not alive right now, and they  would be if Georgie Porgie had minded his own goddamn business.
 
2013-05-26 11:53:02 PM

Freschel: As I said in the previous thread.

This is for 9Beers, SillyJesus and other Zimmerman apologists:

Yes Zimmerman may have the moral obligation


You're giving the crazy people too much credit, friend.  He was walking home with Skittles and Iced tea.
 
2013-05-26 11:54:24 PM

s2s2s2: The most fascinating part of this is watching usually loony conservatives sticking with facts and reason, and watching usually reasonable, intelligent liberals stick with emotion and what ifs.


But isn't that the way these arguments usually run?
 
2013-05-26 11:55:55 PM

bugontherug: AngryDragon: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.

Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Try an experiment. Get a nice, soft pad, maybe a pillow, and a friend.

Lay flat on your back, and have your friend straddle you at the waist. Then have him try to "slam" your head back into the soft padding. Remind him that he's not allowed to pull your hair, because Zimmerman's head was shaved.

Without a very great difference in strength, I doubt it's even possible to slam someone's head into the ground if he offers resistance. Especially not from the position described.

And what exactly was Trayvon holding onto?


If I was in the position you described, I am pretty sure I could slam almost anyone's head into the concrete. Especially given the level of adrenaline involved in the purported situation.

I seriously doubt zimmermans neck and shoulder muscles could prevent that for very long. He wasn't that fit.
 
2013-05-26 11:58:12 PM
cegorach

So what was his motivation again?

Neither of us know. I'm just honest about it instead of making up stories like you do.
 
2013-05-26 11:58:34 PM

gimmegimme: Freschel: As I said in the previous thread.

This is for 9Beers, SillyJesus and other Zimmerman apologists:

Yes Zimmerman may have the moral obligation

You're giving the crazy people too much credit, friend.  He was walking home with Skittles and Iced tea.


No that is a lie.
That was part of the narrative that the media was putting out.  Just like the photo and the edited 911 tapes.
 
2013-05-26 11:59:48 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: trayvon never would have had to attack zimmerman in the first place. If zimmerman stayed in the car.


"She wouldn't have had to shoot the rapist if she just stayed home".  Yeah, your logic is bullsh*t
 
2013-05-27 12:03:19 AM
So, let's take a survey: whose mind was changed during the course of this 500+ post thread?
 
2013-05-27 12:11:40 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So, let's take a survey: whose mind was changed during the course of this 500+ post thread?


Mine was.
 
2013-05-27 12:13:07 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So, let's take a survey: whose mind was changed during the course of this 500+ post thread?


Not I.  I've believed from the beginning Zimmerman could only be found guilty of manslaughter and I stick by that.
 
2013-05-27 12:18:27 AM

Facetious_Speciest: cegorach

So what was his motivation again?

Neither of us know. I'm just honest about it instead of making up stories like you do.


Well, has Zimmerman made any commentary, either in recorded calls or statements to police, as to why he was hunting Martin?

Because without any other reason - you know, Martin was smashing windows, setting fire to things - there's a very short list of motivations as to why he would stalk him.

And of those reasons. 'racist' is possibly one of the better motivations - and certainly the most likely by an exponential factor.

The joke is that there is a good reason for this - the dreaded 'young black male crime statistics' that no one can ever discuss rationally.

With no other rationale in sight, Zimmerman profiled and stalked Martin. A racist action, supported by plenty of circumstantial evidence regarding the propensity of young black males to be involved in crime. And both the racism, and the young black male crime issues, are simply issues that US society doesn't like dealing with because the solutions to both issues are unpalatable.

But no one wants to say that. Instead we have bullshiat discussions of 'standing your ground', Twitter comments and dubious witness statements which will culminate in a courthouse sideshow with a result determined by media influence.
 
2013-05-27 12:21:37 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So, let's take a survey: whose mind was changed during the course of this 500+ post thread?


This thread has changed my mind on a couple of important points:

-I wasn't sure at first, but now I'm fairly certain that I do require more alcohol if I'm going to continue to pay attention to this thread.
-At first I thought the arguments in the thread were part of a debate, but now they seem more like a disorienting mass of statements in which different Farkers are arguing not with one another, but past one another.
 
2013-05-27 12:24:48 AM

cegorach: Well, has Zimmerman made any commentary, either in recorded calls or statements to police, as to why he was hunting Martin?


No.  Because he wasn't "hunting Martin".

Do you have any other biased and inflammatory language you want to try out?
 
2013-05-27 12:26:02 AM
I used to be on Team Skittles, until I realized that, no matter what the reason, there was ZERO justification for Martin to commit an assault on Zimmerman.  Everyone saying that Zimmerman should've just gone home, but doesn't apply the same logic to Martin is being hypocritical.  Martin left the scene and for whatever reason came back to confront Zimmerman.  If Zimmerman is wrong for not staying put/pursuing Martin (whatever you believe), then Martin is equally at fault for not continuing to his Dad's house and coming back to confront Zimmerman.  Can't blame one and not the other.  The next move (Martin assaulting Zimmerman) was totally predicated by Martin and Zimmerman was fully justified in defending his life with his weapon.
 
2013-05-27 12:36:24 AM
cegorach

So, to be clear...Zimmerman had "good reason" to follow Martin..."young black male crime statistics"...but in doing so, Zimmerman was racist, because Martin was black.

I'm out.
 
2013-05-27 12:51:51 AM

s2s2s2: 911 dispatcher:

Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:

Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK.

We don't need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman:

OK. [2:28]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]

Zimmerman:

George. He ran.

Where is the part that shows he continued following?


The part where he killed him.
 
2013-05-27 12:52:37 AM

Facetious_Speciest: cegorach

So, to be clear...Zimmerman had "good reason" to follow Martin..."young black male crime statistics"...but in doing so, Zimmerman was racist, because Martin was black.

I'm out.


Indeed. If you're a racist, those statistics provide you with a good reason to take your prejudices into the realm of action.

Other people would disagree, but that's why you're the racist.
 
2013-05-27 01:00:44 AM
Personally I think it is sad that Zimmerman stalked and killed a 17 year old kid because he "looked suspicious" (i.e. black).

I also think that a 17 year-old talking tough in texts is far from surprising and is evidence of absolutely nothing ... including what is claimed in the texts. Teenagers talk shiat all the time.

All that said ... I expect that Zimmerman is going to get away with this based on self-defense. If Martin got the jump on him and there is actually evidence that the back of Zimmerman's head hit the pavement multiple times then Florida laws will allow self defense.

Personally I think that if you create the situation that puts your life in jeopardy then there should be a ruling on whether or not you are allowed to claim self defense. But that stipulation doesn't, to my knowledge, currently exist so I think Georgie goes free. He's a gun-happy ass wipe who gets away with killing a 17 year old kid.

/IANAL
 
2013-05-27 01:17:55 AM
i14.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-27 01:22:27 AM
Farking Canuck:
Personally I think that if you create the situation that puts your life in jeopardy then there should be a ruling on whether or not you are allowed to claim self defense.

I
f women wear short skirts, no one can be accused of raping them.  And don't bother taking money out of that ATM at night.  You are just asking to be robbed.
 
2013-05-27 01:24:46 AM

Farking Canuck: Personally I think it is sad that Zimmerman stalked and killed a 17 year old kid because he "looked suspicious" (i.e. black).

I also think that a 17 year-old talking tough in texts is far from surprising and is evidence of absolutely nothing ... including what is claimed in the texts. Teenagers talk shiat all the time.

All that said ... I expect that Zimmerman is going to get away with this based on self-defense. If Martin got the jump on him and there is actually evidence that the back of Zimmerman's head hit the pavement multiple times then Florida laws will allow self defense.

Personally I think that if you create the situation that puts your life in jeopardy then there should be a ruling on whether or not you are allowed to claim self defense. But that stipulation doesn't, to my knowledge, currently exist so I think Georgie goes free. He's a gun-happy ass wipe who gets away with killing a 17 year old kid.

/IANAL


So a person with CCW in a notoriously violent neighborhood has no right to self defense?  What about cops responding to calls?  Clearly bounty hunter as an occupation is right the fark out, in your mind.
 
2013-05-27 01:25:26 AM

The Southern Dandy: s2s2s2: 911 dispatcher:

Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:

Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK.

We don't need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman:

OK. [2:28]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]

Zimmerman:

George. He ran.

Where is the part that shows he continued following?

The part where he killed him.


Still incorrect.
 
2013-05-27 01:31:48 AM

tirob: Tatsuma: So when trying to establish whether he was assaulted or not, it's irrelevant to present information specifically about Martin's character when it comes to violence, crime and drug abuse? That's racist?

How would you feel about the prosecution's presenting evidence of Zimmerman's previous run-ins with the law at trial?  Irrelevant?


Where did he say that?!? Why do you assume everyone is 100% to one side or the other? The character and history of both persons involved are important to the trial and should be presented. Tatsuma was responding to the troll headline that suggests having a history of violence and drugs is somehow a black trait, and so highlighting those must be racist.  If the headline tried to link bringing up Zimmerman's past to being anti-Hispanic, he would have addressed that instead.
 
2013-05-27 01:47:39 AM
After all the speculation, all we really know is this little guy
i2.cdn.turner.com
tried to fight off this guy
www.wtsp.com
and died..

/sad
 
2013-05-27 01:50:04 AM

baufan2005: Zimmerman walks. The only reason they aimed for so high.a charge was to try to get him to plea deal. The prosecution doesn't have enough evidence.


I suspect that in 5-15 years I'll read with grim satisfaction that Zimmerman goes on to kill someone else.
 
2013-05-27 01:56:55 AM

cegorach: Facetious_Speciest: cegorach

So what was his motivation again?

Neither of us know. I'm just honest about it instead of making up stories like you do.

Well, has Zimmerman made any commentary, either in recorded calls or statements to police, as to why he was hunting Martin?

Because without any other reason - you know, Martin was smashing windows, setting fire to things - there's a very short list of motivations as to why he would stalk him.

And of those reasons. 'racist' is possibly one of the better motivations - and certainly the most likely by an exponential factor.

The joke is that there is a good reason for this - the dreaded 'young black male crime statistics' that no one can ever discuss rationally.

With no other rationale in sight, Zimmerman profiled and stalked Martin. A racist action, supported by plenty of circumstantial evidence regarding the propensity of young black males to be involved in crime. And both the racism, and the young black male crime issues, are simply issues that US society doesn't like dealing with because the solutions to both issues are unpalatable.

But no one wants to say that. Instead we have bullshiat discussions of 'standing your ground', Twitter comments and dubious witness statements which will culminate in a courthouse sideshow with a result determined by media influence.


What planet do you live on?

/And can the pentagon please disable whatever transmitters are in orbit that let you threadshiat here on Earth?
 
2013-05-27 01:57:25 AM

Alt_Login: After all the speculation, all we really know is this little guy
[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
tried to fight off this guy
[www.wtsp.com image 640x360]
and died..

/sad




All we really know for sure is that the thread for the trail outcome will be huge. Maybe a thousand plus comments. Any one know the largest number of comments a thread has gotten?
 
2013-05-27 02:04:57 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Alt_Login: After all the speculation, all we really know is this little guy
[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
tried to fight off this guy
[www.wtsp.com image 640x360]
and died..

/sad

All we really know for sure is that the thread for the trail outcome will be huge. Maybe a thousand plus comments. Any one know the largest number of comments a thread has gotten?


At least 4k, probbaly 5k+

The Zimmerman trial outcome will only be one side commenting, so I'm guessing 1k tops.
 
2013-05-27 02:08:54 AM
And Zimmerman had no way of knowing any of that when he pursued the kid. It doesn't take a violent thug to confront someone stalking you. As I've been saying since the start, DA should have gone for manslaughter.
 
2013-05-27 02:28:55 AM

doglover: cegorach: Facetious_Speciest: cegorach

So what was his motivation again?

Neither of us know. I'm just honest about it instead of making up stories like you do.

Well, has Zimmerman made any commentary, either in recorded calls or statements to police, as to why he was hunting Martin?

Because without any other reason - you know, Martin was smashing windows, setting fire to things - there's a very short list of motivations as to why he would stalk him.

And of those reasons. 'racist' is possibly one of the better motivations - and certainly the most likely by an exponential factor.

The joke is that there is a good reason for this - the dreaded 'young black male crime statistics' that no one can ever discuss rationally.

With no other rationale in sight, Zimmerman profiled and stalked Martin. A racist action, supported by plenty of circumstantial evidence regarding the propensity of young black males to be involved in crime. And both the racism, and the young black male crime issues, are simply issues that US society doesn't like dealing with because the solutions to both issues are unpalatable.

But no one wants to say that. Instead we have bullshiat discussions of 'standing your ground', Twitter comments and dubious witness statements which will culminate in a courthouse sideshow with a result determined by media influence.

What planet do you live on?

/And can the pentagon please disable whatever transmitters are in orbit that let you threadshiat here on Earth?


A planet where you shouldn't be able to stalk and kill people based on the colour of their skin and get away with it by hiding behind the most godawful retarded laws made to shield violent gun owners from the repercussions of their actions.
 
2013-05-27 02:33:33 AM

cegorach: A planet where you shouldn't be able to stalk and kill people based on the colour of their skin and get away with it


But that's not what any witness or original evidence suggests.
 
2013-05-27 02:40:43 AM

cegorach: planet where you shouldn't be able to stalk and kill people based on the colour of their skin and get away with it by hiding behind the most godawful retarded laws made to shield violent gun owners from the repercussions of their actions.


Well hello, scofflaw racist.......
 
2013-05-27 02:44:33 AM
Who the hell told zimmerman he could eat 3 dozen donuts every day?

Some people just dont like fat people.   Why allow them to be biased?
 
2013-05-27 02:46:46 AM

SCUBA_Archer: Farking Canuck:
Personally I think that if you create the situation that puts your life in jeopardy then there should be a ruling on whether or not you are allowed to claim self defense.

If women wear short skirts, no one can be accused of raping them.  And don't bother taking money out of that ATM at night.  You are just asking to be robbed.


www.housemeasures.com
 
2013-05-27 02:53:37 AM

unfarkingbelievable: ...and I will wait to see the absolute proof of that. And then why, if so, that proof justifies him being shot dead.


It doesnt, in and of itself.  It just makes it harder for retards to make the argument that Treyvon was a model citizen who went to church at 11 at night, and Zimmerman saw him walking in the neighborhood, and hunted him down like a dog and executed hime.
 
2013-05-27 02:57:42 AM

Goldstien Sachs: I'm sorry, if someone approaches me with a gun, I don't try to kick his ass.  I lay down, ask him to call the police, and sort it out.

I don't know what level of ignorance it requires to actively fight someone with a firearm, but this kid was surely under it.


Not me.. I'd just run.  If he shoots you in the back, let him try to explain why he shot someone in the back.
 
2013-05-27 02:59:02 AM

doglover: cegorach: A planet where you shouldn't be able to stalk and kill people based on the colour of their skin and get away with it

But that's not what any witness or original evidence suggests.


Oh that's right. He pursued that young man based on an indepth study of his content posted on social media sites and decided he was a danger to society.

Or what other suggestions do witnesses or original evidence present?
 
2013-05-27 03:02:02 AM

lantawa: cegorach: planet where you shouldn't be able to stalk and kill people based on the colour of their skin and get away with it by hiding behind the most godawful retarded laws made to shield violent gun owners from the repercussions of their actions.

Well hello, scofflaw racist.......


Considering I am not an American, I can scoff at your backwards-ass murderous laws all I like.

And considering you're the one defending the person who committed murder based on racial profiling activities, your REVERSE RACISM isn't exactly doing much more than playing to the retards in the audience.
 
2013-05-27 03:06:10 AM

cegorach: Oh that's right. He pursued that young man based on an indepth study of his content posted on social media sites and decided he was a danger to society.

Or what other suggestions do witnesses or original evidence present?


I cant imagine how "pursued" could be the right word.
 
2013-05-27 03:07:32 AM

Abox: ChaosStar: Zimmerman then suffers a broken nose, injured head, and shows signs he was struggling while on his back. These are all signs of being the victim, not the aggressor.

No sir.  Those are signs that he was on the losing end of a fight.  A gun may make you feel tough but it doesn't make you tough.


So who started the fight?
 
2013-05-27 03:18:08 AM

JWideman: And Zimmerman had no way of knowing any of that when he pursued the kid. It doesn't take a violent thug to confront someone stalking you. As I've been saying since the start, DA should have gone for manslaughter.


Could still go for Manslaughter. It is a lesser included charge  that can be instructed if either side wants it (tactical reasons why you may or may not want it depending on the thought process of the lawyers). In fact, by going for murder, it can make a manslaughter conviction more likely as the jurors may compromise and go for the middle ground. Of course if this happens then the jury actually ignored instructions, but no one will know that until after the tria if someone spills the beansl and it is tough to get a new trial on jury misconduct (although less so now with the advent of social media, smart phones, and increasing narciscism of the public which compells individuals to document every last thing they do).
 
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