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(New York Daily News)   George Zimmerman's legal team has been given the green light to present the "the victim was an angry black kid, so it's okay that I shot him" defense   (nydailynews.com) divider line 693
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2013-05-26 09:25:14 PM  
Oh and bug, I concur on the civil trial part.
 
2013-05-26 09:25:15 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: kortex: I know it may appear to you that I'm trolling, but that is the way I feel. Everyone is in uproar because it's white on black.

Is the narrative now that since Zimmerman is a Hispanic individual that it is white on black crime?
Why is it not hispanic on black?


Because than it ruins the racism angle the media wants to portray it as
 
2013-05-26 09:25:27 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Azlefty: 5) NO I wouldn't under many states laws including Florida since I could show by Zimmerman's actions that I felt fear of imminent harm. even here in good old libby lib CA it would be considered justifiable self defense since:

Speaking as a professional lethal force instructor, you have this all wrong.  Simply being followed does not raise to the level necessary to use force against a person.  The person must commit a specific articulable action that has the ability to cause immediate harm.  Even if they are walking behind you with a gun or a knife, it still doesn't raise to the level where you can use force against them.  The person would need to attempt to use the weapon against you, or take some other action which would cause you to believe that they are about to use it against you.

Simply being followed does not cross the threshold for the use of force.


FFS thank you
 
2013-05-26 09:26:37 PM  

bugontherug: Nabb1: People tend to let their emotions get the better of them when they attach politics to analyzing something like this.

So ad hom number too, coupled with another pretension that this case is wholly apolitical in your mind. Nice.


You don't know what an "ad hom" is do you?  (you can't spell it either apparently)
 
2013-05-26 09:27:07 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Azlefty: 5) NO I wouldn't under many states laws including Florida since I could show by Zimmerman's actions that I felt fear of imminent harm. even here in good old libby lib CA it would be considered justifiable self defense since:

Speaking as a professional lethal force instructor, you have this all wrong.  Simply being followed does not raise to the level necessary to use force against a person.  The person must commit a specific articulable action that has the ability to cause immediate harm.  Even if they are walking behind you with a gun or a knife, it still doesn't raise to the level where you can use force against them.  The person would need to attempt to use the weapon against you, or take some other action which would cause you to believe that they are about to use it against you.

Simply being followed does not cross the threshold for the use of force.


Needs to be quoted again for truth.
 
2013-05-26 09:27:59 PM  

Hobodeluxe: s2s2s2: AirForceVet: If some strange man came up to me when I was 17 in the middle of a Florida night and demanded why I was in my neighborhood, I'd have told him to fark off. If he touched me, I'd have kicked his ass too

And that would be all he would need, in a court of law, to justify having shot you.

Your Average Witty Fark User: Zimmerman was told to stand down. He didn't.

That is a lie.

911 dispatcher: are you following him?
Zimmerman; yes
911 dispatcher: we don't need you to do that


crickets
 
2013-05-26 09:28:25 PM  

Smackledorfer: bugontherug: Smackledorfer: I dont think zim should get found guilty of murder (not nearly enough evidence), but many of the posters defending him are insane.

That is all.

If you believe Zimmerman started a fight while carrying a loaded firearm, that's enough to convict of 2nd degree murder.

I am not sure what I believe happened.

I don't disagree with the plausibility of your events layout, mind you.

What I cannot say is that I have no reasonable doubts on this one.

Fwiw I think zimmerman is a crazy motherfarker, both his history and his statements after the event. I hope I never meet him. But can I convict him with evidence that still allows for trayvon to be the first one to go physical in the confrontation? I cannot.

Neither am I on the jury, where any number of pieces of evidence could be shown to me that the interweb doesn't know about.


Do you think the jury should have convicted OJ Simpson? Because the only disputed fact right now is whether or not Zimmerman started the fight. But in OJ's case, there were a lot more disputed facts. If we applied the standard of evidence people are demanding in this case to every case, we'd practically never convict anyone of anything.

There are almost always alternative interpretations of evidence. But they have to rise to a level of plausibility before they constitute a reasonable doubt. So help me understand what evidence creates a doubt in your mind you regard as reasonable.
 
2013-05-26 09:28:42 PM  

KimNorth: mittromneysdog: bugontherug: ChaosStar: When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

So Trayvon tracked back around to go start a fight with Zimmerman... while carrying a bag of Skittles and an Arizona brand drink? That doesn't make sense. Logic says if Trayvon had tracked back around  to start a fight, he would have set down his drink and his Skittles before going. But the drink and the Skittles were found in close proximity to his body. He was carrying them when Zimmerman started the fight, and dropped them so he could defend himself.

"But there's no evidence Zimmerman started the fight."

Wrong. Let's break this down.

Evidence From Which We May Infer Zimmerman Started the Fight:

1) Zimmerman had at least two motives to start a fight. Specifically, his anger at Trayvon, and revenge for the break-ins  in his neighborhood. Both derived from Zimmerman's baseless belief that Trayon had participated in break-ins in his neighborhood.

2) Zimmerman's demeanor proves he was angry. Specifically, his use of expletives to describe Trayvon. Grunting "these assholes always get away," "these farking pcoonks" on a known recorded line with police showed sufficiently strong anger to overcome Zimmerman's sense of decorum. Zimmerman's tone of voice when Trayvon tried to escape the confrontation altogether confirms the inference. Zimmerman was mad. And he was mad at Trayvon.

3) We know Zimmerman believed Trayvon was a criminal, and responsible for the break-ins in his neighborhood. When he said "these assholes always get away," there was no other plausible referent for "these assholes" than those responsible for the break-ins. Zimmerman said at the outset tha ...

Zimmerman was most likely right Trayvon probably had done some break-ins in the neighborhood....just saying....


Fine detective work there lou
 
2013-05-26 09:28:45 PM  

ChaosStar: Who said Zimmerman knew he was a thug?


Zimmerman did. he said he was "up to something"  that he was "on drugs" he said he was "acting suspiciously"
he was talking to his girlfriend on the phone walking home in the rain is all he was doing and yet ZImmerman already had him pegged as a dopehead that had committed the burglaries recently in the hood.
he said he was trying to "get away from him" like all the "other assholes" out the back of the neighborhood and he wasn't about to let that happen.
 
2013-05-26 09:31:47 PM  

Hobodeluxe: ChaosStar: Who said Zimmerman knew he was a thug?

Zimmerman did. he said he was "up to something"  that he was "on drugs" he said he was "acting suspiciously"
he was talking to his girlfriend on the phone walking home in the rain is all he was doing and yet ZImmerman already had him pegged as a dopehead that had committed the burglaries recently in the hood.
he said he was trying to "get away from him" like all the "other assholes" out the back of the neighborhood and he wasn't about to let that happen.


Funny story, the kid was a thug, on drugs and talking about illegally getting his hands on a gun.
 
2013-05-26 09:32:28 PM  

ChaosStar: 1. you're reaching way to far. Revenge? Seriously? That's why he called the cops instead of just running after Martin, tackling him, and beating the crap out of him


Yes, revenge. But even if you dismiss that one, you didn't and can't that Zimmerman was mad, and mad a Trayvon personally. Being mad at someone you're convinced is a criminal is a motive to start a fight.

Nabb1: bugontherug: Nabb1: People tend to let their emotions get the better of them when they attach politics to analyzing something like this.

So ad hom number too, coupled with another pretension that this case is wholly apolitical in your mind. Nice.

I was speaking I general terms, but if you think that shoe fits, then by all means lace it up and wear it. You seem particularly irritated by people who aren't convinced by the case you've laid out. Do you engage opposing counsel or judges with the same hostility?


Okay trolly mctrollerson.

*Plonk.*
 
2013-05-26 09:33:04 PM  
911 dispatcher:

Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:

Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK.

We don't need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman:

OK. [2:28]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]

Zimmerman:

George. He ran.

Where is the part that shows he continued following?
 
2013-05-26 09:33:47 PM  

Hobodeluxe: ChaosStar: Who said Zimmerman knew he was a thug?

Zimmerman did. he said he was "up to something"  that he was "on drugs" he said he was "acting suspiciously"
he was talking to his girlfriend on the phone walking home in the rain is all he was doing and yet ZImmerman already had him pegged as a dopehead that had committed the burglaries recently in the hood.
he said he was trying to "get away from him" like all the "other assholes" out the back of the neighborhood and he wasn't about to let that happen.


There is always a possibility that Trayvon Martin was an asshole, you know. I'm not saying Zimmerman was a saint who did nothing wrong, either, but let's be realistic.
 
2013-05-26 09:34:24 PM  

Hobodeluxe: ChaosStar: Who said Zimmerman knew he was a thug?

Zimmerman did. he said he was "up to something"  that he was "on drugs" he said he was "acting suspiciously"
he was talking to his girlfriend on the phone walking home in the rain is all he was doing and yet ZImmerman already had him pegged as a dopehead that had committed the burglaries recently in the hood.
he said he was trying to "get away from him" like all the "other assholes" out the back of the neighborhood and he wasn't about to let that happen.


You love quoting things and leaving out the context don't you?
"Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about. "

He said he looks like he's up to something or on drugs.
He never said any of that, you're just trolling.

What he really said:
Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]
Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. shiat, he's running.
Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.
 
2013-05-26 09:35:13 PM  
Face it guys. Zimmerman tried to be charles bronson and it blew up in his face big time.

his only defence now is the "Iam a great big pus*y" defence.

followed a kid while armed. Picks a fight. Gets beat up. Shoots the kid. Even if trayvon did pick the fight. He was being stalked by an armed stranger. So you cant really blame him.

when did it become ok for someone to pick a fight. Get beat up. Shoot the guy that beat him up and call it self defence?

thats all he has. Iam a great big pus*y that watched to many death wish movies. And boy did I fark up. Have mercy please.
 
2013-05-26 09:35:37 PM  

bugontherug: ChaosStar: 1. you're reaching way to far. Revenge? Seriously? That's why he called the cops instead of just running after Martin, tackling him, and beating the crap out of him

Yes, revenge. But even if you dismiss that one, you didn't and can't that Zimmerman was mad, and mad a Trayvon personally. Being mad at someone you're convinced is a criminal is a motive to start a fight. Nabb1: bugontherug: Nabb1: People tend to let their emotions get the better of them when they attach politics to analyzing something like this.

So ad hom number too, coupled with another pretension that this case is wholly apolitical in your mind. Nice.

I was speaking I general terms, but if you think that shoe fits, then by all means lace it up and wear it. You seem particularly irritated by people who aren't convinced by the case you've laid out. Do you engage opposing counsel or judges with the same hostility?

Okay trolly mctrollerson.

*Plonk.*


How can he be mad at Trayvon personally if he didn't even know Trayvon? I'm certain that breaks some law of physics. You can't be mad at someone you don't know exists.
 
2013-05-26 09:36:23 PM  

Kahabut: bugontherug: Nabb1: People tend to let their emotions get the better of them when they attach politics to analyzing something like this.

So ad hom number too, coupled with another pretension that this case is wholly apolitical in your mind. Nice.

You don't know what an "ad hom" is do you?  (you can't spell it either apparently)


An ad hominem argument is any argument which focuses implictly or explicitly on the person making the argument rather than evidence or logic.

His argument that I should be dismissed because I viewed the case politically, and his insinuation that I should be dismissed because of emotion both focused on me, while ignoring what I said. Thus, they were ad hominem arguments.
 
2013-05-26 09:38:10 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: when did it become ok for someone to pick a fight.


According to most of the "We don't care about facts, this time" brigade in these threads, as soon as George started following Trayvon. At that point, it became morally acceptable for Trayvon to kill George.
 
2013-05-26 09:38:22 PM  

ChaosStar: How can he be mad at Trayvon personally if he didn't even know Trayvon? I'm certain that breaks some law of physics. You can't be mad at someone you don't know exists.


He was mad at Trayvon because for mysterious reasons known only to Zimmerman he believed Trayvon a participant in recent break-ins in his neighborhood.
 
2013-05-26 09:38:30 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Face it guys. Zimmerman tried to be charles bronson and it blew up in his face big time.

his only defence now is the "Iam a great big pus*y" defence.

followed a kid while armed. Picks a fight. Gets beat up. Shoots the kid. Even if trayvon did pick the fight. He was being stalked by an armed stranger. So you cant really blame him.

when did it become ok for someone to pick a fight. Get beat up. Shoot the guy that beat him up and call it self defence?

thats all he has. Iam a great big pus*y that watched to many death wish movies. And boy did I fark up. Have mercy please.


So assaulting somebody because they are following you is ok now?
 
2013-05-26 09:39:28 PM  

bugontherug: Nabb1:

I was speaking I general terms, but if you think that shoe fits, then by all means lace it up and wear it. You seem particularly irritated by people who aren't convinced by the case you've laid out. Do you engage opposing counsel or judges with the same hostility?

Okay trolly mctrollerson.

*Plonk.*


Indulge me. Is this how you address opposing counsel and judges when arguing in court?
 
2013-05-26 09:40:59 PM  

redmid17: thenumber5: Alonjar: overzealous neighborhood watch people

the funny thing is, Zimmerman was not a member of any Neighborhood watch.

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-n ei ghborhood-watch-organization/

and even if he was he violated nearly ever "rule" covering Neighborhood watch groups

I know it's impressively difficult to remain so ignorant of something that has been shoved down Farks throat for over a year, but I'll just leave you with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#Background _of_ the_shooting

In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. As the only volunteer, Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival,

Three weeks prior to the shooting, on February 2, 2012, Zimmerman called police to report a young man peering into the windows of an empty Twin Lakes home. Zimmerman was told a police car was on the way and he waited for their arrival. By the time police arrived, the suspect had fled. On February 6, workers witnessed two young black men lingering in the yard of a Twin Lakes resident around the same time her home was burglarized. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. The next day police discovered the stolen laptop in the backpack of a young black man, which led to his arrest. Zimmerman identified this young man as the same person he had spotted peering into windows on February 2.

Zimmerman had been licensed to carry a firearm since November 2009. In response to Zimmerman's multiple reports regarding a loose Although neighborhood watch volunteers are not encouraged to carry weapons, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee acknowledged that Zimmerman had a legal right to carry his firearm on the night of the shooting.


"Neighborhood Watch" is an organization that Zimmerman was not part of

he was little more then a local vigilant with a chip on his shoulder
 
2013-05-26 09:41:02 PM  

bugontherug: An ad hominem argument is any argument which focuses implictly or explicitly on the person making the argument rather than evidence or logic.


Like all the people that dismiss the evidence because George was *obviously* just some itchy trigger finger, nutjob, racist looking to settle a score.

Most people call the police to have them settle their scores for them.
 
2013-05-26 09:41:22 PM  

bugontherug: Kahabut: bugontherug: Nabb1: People tend to let their emotions get the better of them when they attach politics to analyzing something like this.

So ad hom number too, coupled with another pretension that this case is wholly apolitical in your mind. Nice.

You don't know what an "ad hom" is do you?  (you can't spell it either apparently)

An ad hominem argument is any argument which focuses implictly or explicitly on the person making the argument rather than evidence or logic.

His argument that I should be dismissed because I viewed the case politically, and his insinuation that I should be dismissed because of emotion both focused on me, while ignoring what I said. Thus, they were ad hominem arguments.


I didn't say it should be entirely dismissed. Just taken a little less seriously, like with a grain of salt, perhaps.
 
2013-05-26 09:41:57 PM  

ChaosStar: tirob: ChaosStar: I wasn't trying to dive to far into that though, as I find it pretty clear Zimmerman was attacked.
It's pretty clear that the pavement was used, as there was really no other means for Zimmerman getting those wounds to the back of his head.

---

1.  Neither of us knows how the fight started, or why.  When you say that you find it clear that Z was attacked, I sense that you are relying on evidence (Z's statements) that I for one would take with a grain of salt.  There is no eyewitness that I know of who can corroborate a single one of Z's assertions on this point.

2.  I'll buy the idea that Zimmerman's head injuries were caused by the pavement, but I have no way of knowing whether Martin pounded Zimmerman's head into the pavement.  I am unaware of any eyewitness who reported seeing this, Zimmerman himself excepted.

3.  Neither of us knows whether Zimmerman pulled his gun because Martin was pounding his head into the pavement, or because he reasonably feared for his life, or for some other reason.  We'll find out, perhaps, at Zimmerman's trial.  Until then, I think that all we're doing is conjecturing.

1. I can make an educated guess that Zimmerman didn't start the fight, having listened to the Zimmerman phone call, his tone and breathing say he wasn't chasing Martin merely following and gave up when prompted to. As Martin had no injuries on him save the entry wound and a scratch on his finger I find it safe to say that Zimmerman wasn't the attacker. You've said already he has a history of violence, so then if he started the fight why was there no injury on Martin? I think Zimmerman would have at least left a bruise somewhere.
.

I concur that Martin probably threw the first punch, but given the circumstances here (Martin had been followed by someone who he reasonably believed could have had it in mind to commit a crime), Martin may have thought he was either defending himself or his father's fiancée's condo unit/future stepbrother.

ChaosStar: .

2. He didn't have to to be just bashing his head into the concrete. Witnesses say they saw Martin on top of Zimmerman throwing punches "MMA style" whatever that means. Zimmerman's head could have been hitting the concrete with every blow, and that would be a significant amount of force delivered in rapid, sharp, snaps.


Maybe.  On the other hand, maybe not.  I know of no witness other than Zimmerman who said whether Zimmerman's head was on concrete or grass when they saw Martin punching him.  I don't think that either one of us is expert enough in forensic medicine to determine whether the injuries on the back of Zimmerman's head were caused in the manner you describe.

ChaosStar:  3.  Well I can't really see him pulling the gun prior to his head hitting the concrete, as I don't think he would have the wounds then?  .

I concur that Zimmerman probably pulled his gun after he sustained the injuries to the back of his head, but my question is how long after?  A few seconds after, which would reinforce his self-defense claim?  Or thirty or forty seconds after, which would not?

ChaosStar:
I'm trying to think of any other reason he would pull his gun other than thinking his life was in danger

Anger at being punched in the face?  Embarrassment at being seen getting his ass kicked by at least one person?
 
2013-05-26 09:42:48 PM  

gimmegimme: ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

You're funny.


The burden of proof rests on the prosecutor. We have no evidence to the contrary that what Zimmerman said was wrong.
 
2013-05-26 09:43:51 PM  

bugontherug: Smackledorfer: bugontherug: Smackledorfer: I dont think zim should get found guilty of murder (not nearly enough evidence), but many of the posters defending him are insane.

That is all.

If you believe Zimmerman started a fight while carrying a loaded firearm, that's enough to convict of 2nd degree murder.

I am not sure what I believe happened.

I don't disagree with the plausibility of your events layout, mind you.

What I cannot say is that I have no reasonable doubts on this one.

Fwiw I think zimmerman is a crazy motherfarker, both his history and his statements after the event. I hope I never meet him. But can I convict him with evidence that still allows for trayvon to be the first one to go physical in the confrontation? I cannot.

Neither am I on the jury, where any number of pieces of evidence could be shown to me that the interweb doesn't know about.

Do you think the jury should have convicted OJ Simpson? Because the only disputed fact right now is whether or not Zimmerman started the fight. But in OJ's case, there were a lot more disputed facts. If we applied the standard of evidence people are demanding in this case to every case, we'd practically never convict anyone of anything.

There are almost always alternative interpretations of evidence. But they have to rise to a level of plausibility before they constitute a reasonable doubt. So help me understand what evidence creates a doubt in your mind you regard as reasonable.


A. I wasn't on the jury.
B. I only mildly followed the case.
C. I believe that the jury went not guilty more to send a message to the law enforcememt about conduct than whether they really believed he was not guilty, iirc.

As for what 'creates doubt' you have the process backwards. Don't try to force me to prove innocence. You prove guilt to me, and I already said what my sticking point is.

Finally, come on man, you ignored like my whole post and jumped into an oj rant. Which of my doubts was unclear?
 
2013-05-26 09:44:55 PM  
Who are these people saying he was a hoodlum(other than his friend)?
In one exchange, a friend texts that Martin is turning into "a hoodlum."

"Naw, I'm a gangsta," his reply read.

In another, he refers to a fistfight with another boy who "snitched" on him.
"I lost da 1st round but won da 2nd and 3rd,"
 
2013-05-26 09:45:31 PM  

duffblue: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Face it guys. Zimmerman tried to be charles bronson and it blew up in his face big time.

his only defence now is the "Iam a great big pus*y" defence.

followed a kid while armed. Picks a fight. Gets beat up. Shoots the kid. Even if trayvon did pick the fight. He was being stalked by an armed stranger. So you cant really blame him.

when did it become ok for someone to pick a fight. Get beat up. Shoot the guy that beat him up and call it self defence?

thats all he has. Iam a great big pus*y that watched to many death wish movies. And boy did I fark up. Have mercy please.

So assaulting somebody because they are following you is ok now?


I would say it certainly warrants confrontation.

I mean if you were a young girl and some guy you dont know followed you. You would be frightend and re act.

anyways had zimmerman kept his fat ass in the car and on the phone. None of this would have happend.

so it's all on george one way or another
 
2013-05-26 09:46:00 PM  

thenumber5: redmid17: thenumber5: Alonjar: overzealous neighborhood watch people

the funny thing is, Zimmerman was not a member of any Neighborhood watch.

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-n ei ghborhood-watch-organization/

and even if he was he violated nearly ever "rule" covering Neighborhood watch groups

I know it's impressively difficult to remain so ignorant of something that has been shoved down Farks throat for over a year, but I'll just leave you with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#Background _of_ the_shooting

In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. As the only volunteer, Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival,

Three weeks prior to the shooting, on February 2, 2012, Zimmerman called police to report a young man peering into the windows of an empty Twin Lakes home. Zimmerman was told a police car was on the way and he waited for their arrival. By the time police arrived, the suspect had fled. On February 6, workers witnessed two young black men lingering in the yard of a Twin Lakes resident around the same time her home was burglarized. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. The next day police discovered the stolen laptop in the backpack of a young black man, which led to his arrest. Zimmerman identified this young man as the same person he had spotted peering into windows on February 2.

Zimmerman had been licensed to carry a firearm since November 2009. In response to Zimmerman's multiple reports regarding a loose Although neighborhood watch volunteers are not encouraged to carry weapons, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee acknowledged that Zimmerman had a legal right to carry his firearm on the night of the shooting.

"Neighborhood Watch" is an organization that Zimmerman was not part of

he was little more then a local vigilant with a chip on his shoulder


I mean feel free to tell the Sanford PD and his neighbors that. The neighbors elected him captain of their neighborhood watch and he was in constant contact with the Sanford PD Neighborhood Watch liaison   Wendy Dorival, but what would any of them know.
 
2013-05-26 09:46:03 PM  
What evidence is there that Trayvon might have been eager to settle scores?

What have you to say about this, Mr Martin?

"Im not done with fool...he gone hav 2 see me again."
 
2013-05-26 09:47:52 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I mean if you were a young girl


Hey, where you going with those goal posts.

You will never be able to reconcile that it is ok to start a fight because someone is following you, but that it's not ok for that person to shoot you when you are threatening his life.
 
2013-05-26 09:48:08 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: tenpoundsofcheese: kortex: I know it may appear to you that I'm trolling, but that is the way I feel. Everyone is in uproar because it's white on black.

Is the narrative now that since Zimmerman is a Hispanic individual that it is white on black crime?
Why is it not hispanic on black?

Because than it ruins the racism angle the media wants to portray it as


hmmm...you mean like how they edited the 911 tape to make it sound as if he had a racist motive?
 
2013-05-26 09:48:25 PM  

thenumber5: redmid17: thenumber5: Alonjar: overzealous neighborhood watch people

the funny thing is, Zimmerman was not a member of any Neighborhood watch.

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-n ei ghborhood-watch-organization/

and even if he was he violated nearly ever "rule" covering Neighborhood watch groups

I know it's impressively difficult to remain so ignorant of something that has been shoved down Farks throat for over a year, but I'll just leave you with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#Background _of_ the_shooting

In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. As the only volunteer, Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival,

Three weeks prior to the shooting, on February 2, 2012, Zimmerman called police to report a young man peering into the windows of an empty Twin Lakes home. Zimmerman was told a police car was on the way and he waited for their arrival. By the time police arrived, the suspect had fled. On February 6, workers witnessed two young black men lingering in the yard of a Twin Lakes resident around the same time her home was burglarized. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. The next day police discovered the stolen laptop in the backpack of a young black man, which led to his arrest. Zimmerman identified this young man as the same person he had spotted peering into windows on February 2.

Zimmerman had been licensed to carry a firearm since November 2009. In response to Zimmerman's multiple reports regarding a loose Although neighborhood watch volunteers are not encouraged to carry weapons, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee acknowledged that Zimmerman had a legal right to carry his firearm on the night of the shooting.

"Neighborhood Watch" is an organization that Zimmerman was not part of

he was little more then a local vigilant with a chip on his shoulder



Let's see what wikipedia with cited sources has to say about that.

'In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. As the only volunteer,[5] Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police Department.[5][90]'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin #Background_of_ the_shooting
 
2013-05-26 09:49:40 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: teenage mutant ninja rapist: tenpoundsofcheese: kortex: I know it may appear to you that I'm trolling, but that is the way I feel. Everyone is in uproar because it's white on black.

Is the narrative now that since Zimmerman is a Hispanic individual that it is white on black crime?
Why is it not hispanic on black?

Because than it ruins the racism angle the media wants to portray it as

hmmm...you mean like how they edited the 911 tape to make it sound as if he had a racist motive?


Edited tapes you say?

perhaps you need another layer of foil on your hat sir.
 
2013-05-26 09:50:37 PM  
If someone's cracking your head off the sidewalk while pinning you down, no moral reason you have to suffer them to live.
 
2013-05-26 09:50:55 PM  

gblive: thenumber5: redmid17: thenumber5: Alonjar: overzealous neighborhood watch people

the funny thing is, Zimmerman was not a member of any Neighborhood watch.

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-n ei ghborhood-watch-organization/

and even if he was he violated nearly ever "rule" covering Neighborhood watch groups

I know it's impressively difficult to remain so ignorant of something that has been shoved down Farks throat for over a year, but I'll just leave you with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#Background _of_ the_shooting

In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. As the only volunteer, Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival,

Three weeks prior to the shooting, on February 2, 2012, Zimmerman called police to report a young man peering into the windows of an empty Twin Lakes home. Zimmerman was told a police car was on the way and he waited for their arrival. By the time police arrived, the suspect had fled. On February 6, workers witnessed two young black men lingering in the yard of a Twin Lakes resident around the same time her home was burglarized. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. The next day police discovered the stolen laptop in the backpack of a young black man, which led to his arrest. Zimmerman identified this young man as the same person he had spotted peering into windows on February 2.

Zimmerman had been licensed to carry a firearm since November 2009. In response to Zimmerman's multiple reports regarding a loose Although neighborhood watch volunteers are not encouraged to carry weapons, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee acknowledged that Zimmerman had a legal right to carry his firearm on the night of the shooting.

"Neighborhood Watch" is an organization that Zimmerman was not part of

he was little more then a local vigilant with a chip on his shoulde ...


To reiterate, that was the 2nd time that exact passage was posted in response to his incoherent rambling
 
2013-05-26 09:51:28 PM  
 
2013-05-26 09:52:42 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: tenpoundsofcheese: teenage mutant ninja rapist: tenpoundsofcheese: kortex: I know it may appear to you that I'm trolling, but that is the way I feel. Everyone is in uproar because it's white on black.

Is the narrative now that since Zimmerman is a Hispanic individual that it is white on black crime?
Why is it not hispanic on black?

Because than it ruins the racism angle the media wants to portray it as

hmmm...you mean like how they edited the 911 tape to make it sound as if he had a racist motive?

Edited tapes you say?

perhaps you need another layer of foil on your hat sir.


George Zimmerman sues NBC Universal over edited 911 call
http ://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/florida-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit
 
2013-05-26 09:53:13 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: duffblue: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Face it guys. Zimmerman tried to be charles bronson and it blew up in his face big time.

his only defence now is the "Iam a great big pus*y" defence.

followed a kid while armed. Picks a fight. Gets beat up. Shoots the kid. Even if trayvon did pick the fight. He was being stalked by an armed stranger. So you cant really blame him.

when did it become ok for someone to pick a fight. Get beat up. Shoot the guy that beat him up and call it self defence?

thats all he has. Iam a great big pus*y that watched to many death wish movies. And boy did I fark up. Have mercy please.

So assaulting somebody because they are following you is ok now?

I would say it certainly warrants confrontation.

I mean if you were a young girl and some guy you dont know followed you. You would be frightend and re act.

anyways had zimmerman kept his fat ass in the car and on the phone. None of this would have happend.

so it's all on george one way or another


So it's ok to assault somebody who is following you because you feel intimidated?
 
2013-05-26 09:53:19 PM  
Don't worry Trayvon.
I got it covered.
Jury Nullification.
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
// Next stop the Pearly Gates.
 
2013-05-26 09:53:39 PM  
Like I said guys. No matter who started what. None of this would have happend had george not acted like a loon and followed a stranger. He is not nor was he ever a cop.
had he stayed on the phone with 911 and stayed in his car. None of this would have happend.

so regardless of however they want to portray these events.
a kid is dead. George killed him. And none of this would have happend in the first place had george acted like an adult. Instead of a teenager with a vigilante fantasy.

All he had to do was stay on the phone. Thats it. And none of this would have happend
 
2013-05-26 09:54:35 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: tenpoundsofcheese: teenage mutant ninja rapist: tenpoundsofcheese: kortex: I know it may appear to you that I'm trolling, but that is the way I feel. Everyone is in uproar because it's white on black.

Is the narrative now that since Zimmerman is a Hispanic individual that it is white on black crime?
Why is it not hispanic on black?

Because than it ruins the racism angle the media wants to portray it as

hmmm...you mean like how they edited the 911 tape to make it sound as if he had a racist motive?

Edited tapes you say?

perhaps you need another layer of foil on your hat sir.


Holy shiat I'm talking to an idiot.
 
2013-05-26 09:55:03 PM  

s2s2s2: 911 dispatcher:

Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:

Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK.

We don't need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman:

OK. [2:28]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]

Zimmerman:

George. He ran.

Where is the part that shows he continued following?


that part where he is standing over a dead body
 
2013-05-26 09:55:25 PM  

s2s2s2: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Edited tapes you say?

It is a fact. Here is the citation.


Alright I stand corrected on that point.

still irrelevant to the case though
 
2013-05-26 09:57:23 PM  
Here's one way a concerned neighbor (NW wannabe) could have confronted Martin:

*Zimmerman rolls down window* "Hey, kid, it's getting late. You should head home. I don't think I know you, are you new to the neighborhood? I'm George, btw."

Martin: "Dude wtf? I was going to the store and now I'm going to my Dad's. Mind your own damn business."

*Zimmerman rolls up window* "Damn kids these days!"

And nobody dies.

You can be a "concerned neighbor" without following and confronting a young person while you are armed.


/At BEST Zimmerman utterly FAILS  at NW
//I hope the jury is allowed to consider voluntary manslaughter
///IMHO that would still be getting away easy
 
2013-05-26 09:57:29 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: tenpoundsofcheese: teenage mutant ninja rapist: tenpoundsofcheese: kortex: I know it may appear to you that I'm trolling, but that is the way I feel. Everyone is in uproar because it's white on black.

Is the narrative now that since Zimmerman is a Hispanic individual that it is white on black crime?
Why is it not hispanic on black?

Because than it ruins the racism angle the media wants to portray it as

hmmm...you mean like how they edited the 911 tape to make it sound as if he had a racist motive?

Edited tapes you say?

perhaps you need another layer of foil on your hat sir.



NBC Apologizes For Editing George Zimmerman's 911 Call on Today Show
http://gawker.com/5898876/nbc-apologizes-for-editing-george-zimmerma ns -911-call-on-today-show

Third Employee Fired After Another Edited George Zimmerman 911 Tape Surfaces
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/05/03/third-employee-fired-afte r- another-edited-george-zimmerman-911-tape-surfaces/
 
2013-05-26 09:58:04 PM  

duffblue: teenage mutant ninja rapist: duffblue: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Face it guys. Zimmerman tried to be charles bronson and it blew up in his face big time.

his only defence now is the "Iam a great big pus*y" defence.

followed a kid while armed. Picks a fight. Gets beat up. Shoots the kid. Even if trayvon did pick the fight. He was being stalked by an armed stranger. So you cant really blame him.

when did it become ok for someone to pick a fight. Get beat up. Shoot the guy that beat him up and call it self defence?

thats all he has. Iam a great big pus*y that watched to many death wish movies. And boy did I fark up. Have mercy please.

So assaulting somebody because they are following you is ok now?

I would say it certainly warrants confrontation.

I mean if you were a young girl and some guy you dont know followed you. You would be frightend and re act.

anyways had zimmerman kept his fat ass in the car and on the phone. None of this would have happend.

so it's all on george one way or another

So it's ok to assault somebody who is following you because you feel intimidated?


Self defence I would call it. Trayvon defended himself from a stranger that followed him. Yeah self defence.

tell you what. Go outside at night. Start following people for 5 mabey 10 mins at a time. Bet someone attacks before you get to 3 people.
 
2013-05-26 09:58:13 PM  

duffblue: So it's ok to assault somebody who is following you because you feel intimidated?


according to Fla law you can kill someone if you feel threatened enough.
 
2013-05-26 09:59:09 PM  
tirob:
1. That doesn't allow him to resort to violence, and gives Zimmerman the stand your ground law to protect him.
2. How else would there be lacerations on the back of his head? There was grass, there was concrete, and the only weapon was a gun.
3. Friend how long do you think this fight lasted? Zimmerman ended his phone call with the dispatcher at 7:15pm, the first officer arrived on the scene at 7:17pm. This wasn't something he had the chance to mull over, he was scared for his life and reacted.

On June 26, 2012, the prosecution released the results of a voice stress test is a type of test used to measure deceptive or psychological stress in the human voice in response to questions. Zimmerman was asked, "Did you confront the guy you shot?", to which Zimmerman answered, "No." Zimmerman was asked, "Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy?", to which Zimmerman answered, "Yes." The examiner concluded that Zimmerman "told substantially the complete truth" in the examination, and Zimmerman was classified as "No Deception Indicated (NDI)" according to the report.
 
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