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(New York Daily News)   George Zimmerman's legal team has been given the green light to present the "the victim was an angry black kid, so it's okay that I shot him" defense   (nydailynews.com) divider line 693
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2013-05-26 07:44:16 PM  

kortex: I know it may appear to you that I'm trolling, but that is the way I feel. Everyone is in uproar because it's white on black.


Is the narrative now that since Zimmerman is a Hispanic individual that it is white on black crime?
Why is it not hispanic on black?
 
2013-05-26 07:44:37 PM  
Has anyone figured out which of these Zimmerman-cheering alts is 9beers? I'm off my game today.
 
2013-05-26 07:44:53 PM  
What have I learned?

Don't take Skittles to a gun fight.
 
2013-05-26 07:45:26 PM  
kortex

I know it may appear to you that I'm trolling, but that is the way I feel. Everyone is in uproar because it's white on black.

Except not. Zimmerman is as white as Obama...he has one white parent.
 
2013-05-26 07:46:27 PM  

Vectron: What have I learned?

Don't take Skittles to a gun fight.


If you get in a fight, make sure the other person is dead and a minority.
 
2013-05-26 07:47:02 PM  

gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.

Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems

Getting shot when they're unarmed?




No. Martin most likey thought he was being "disrespected" by Zimmerman. He figured he would teach that honky a lesson. Expect he got taught not to attack people. Maybe other blacks will see this and learn crime doesn't pay.
 
2013-05-26 07:47:26 PM  

ongbok: AirForceVet: I think the Zimmerman defense team should have gone for a plea deal.

If some strange man came up to me when I was 17 in the middle of a Florida night and demanded why I was in my neighborhood, I'd have told him to fark off. If he touched me, I'd have kicked his ass too.

The only time something like that happened to me as a teen in Florida, the strange man had a wool cap over his head with eye holes cut into it, holding what appeared to be a small calibar semi-automatic handgun. I just lost $3 that night to the asshat. Called the cops but they couldn't find him, even with a K-9.

/Maybe Zimmerman should have had his gun out.
//Martin would have seen the reall threat that was hidden until too late.

Anybody with a half of brain would do the same thing and would tell their kids to do the same. If they claim they wouldn't, they are full of shiat.


I used to get accosted by overzealous neighborhood watch people in my neighborhood all the time when I was a teen.  At no point did I ever even remotely consider starting a physical altercation over it.  Would definitely have just ran.

Violence would only lead to a worse situation for everybody involved.  As mr Martin learned the hard way.
 
2013-05-26 07:47:36 PM  

j0e_average: Zimmerman will be acquited and the darkies will go ape-shiat in Sanford.

The end.


Great use of the hyphen after "ape."

Why do people think race is involved in the shooting or the reaction to it?
 
2013-05-26 07:47:52 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: kortex

I know it may appear to you that I'm trolling, but that is the way I feel. Everyone is in uproar because it's white on black.

Except not. Zimmerman is as white as Obama...he has one white parent.


He is part hispanic, under most metrics that is with in the heading of "White"

but putting that aside, its not like the Black and Hispanic communities are know for unity
 
2013-05-26 07:48:40 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.

Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems

Getting shot when they're unarmed?

No. Martin most likey thought he was being "disrespected" by Zimmerman. He figured he would teach that honky a lesson. Expect he got taught not to attack people. Maybe other blacks will see this and learn crime doesn't pay.


You're really good at reading the minds of dead people.  Can you ask my grandma where my car keys are?

And don't you mean "blah people?"
 
2013-05-26 07:49:07 PM  

LordJiro: MJMaloney187: mr intrepid: duffblue: gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: MJMaloney187: Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...

No, it has yet to be allowed

Some of it will be allowed. This judge will be overturned on appeal if evidence is not allowed and Zimmerman is convicted....esp any evidence showing TM stoned around the time of incident, pot use, and any time the prosecutors spew the "Trayvon was a 14 yr old honor student" BS

It is obvious that the prosecution is in trouble.... they want all the negative Trayvon evidence excluded....you can't lynch an innocent man if you are caught cold busted lying

Just wonder how much of their ghetto the Black Racists gonna burn when they can't lynch Zimmerman...

Ted Nugent isn't black...

You probably aren't old enough to remember the Rodney king riots

The "negative Trayon evidence" might be considered largely irrelevant.  Zimmerman didn't know anything about him, except what happened that night.  And the fact that he lost a fight might serve as a motive for his pursuit and shooting.

You slam the back of my head into the ground, you die. Period. I would rather go to jail if the alternatives are death or mental retardation.

Take your head out of your arse for a second and pretend Zimmerman is your grandfather. What would you want your grandfather to do? That punk lived like a gangster and he died like a gangster. BET ought to give Zimmerman a medal for keeping the brand alive.

bugontherug: AngryDragon: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.

Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Try an experiment. Get a nice, soft pad, maybe a pillow, and a friend.

Lay flat on your back, and have your friend straddle you at the waist. Then have him try to "slam" your head back into the soft padding. Remind him that he's not allowed to pull your hair, because Zimmerman's head was shaved.

Without a very great difference in strength, I doubt it's even possible to slam someone's head into the ground if he offers resistance. Especially not from the position described.

And what exactly was Trayvon holding onto?


Zimms dumbo like ears?
 
2013-05-26 07:50:40 PM  

gimmegimme: tyrajam: gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

How did Zimmerman know about the picture?

Martin may have shown it to Zimmerman before the altercation started.
You don't know either way.

WTF does it matter.  You are missing the point again.

The point is that you are grasping at straws.  How could the picture of a gun that you mention give Zimmerman a reason to shoot the kid?

Holy.Farking.Crap. The "reason" he shot Trayvon was because Martin came back and attacked him and was bashing his head into the cement. The defense showing that Martin was trying to illegally buy a gun and used drugs is just to blow holes in the prosecutions attempts to show that Martin was an innocent little child. In the end it doesn't matter. Martin attacked Zimmerman and was shot. It's sad, but not overly complicated.

Hmmm...if Zimmerman had his "head bashed into the cement," surely he was in the hospital for quite some time, right?


Is your google broke? He was treated and released http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad= r ja&docid=gYd6SG1f3a9KPM&tbnid=ZtF78zeEFOs_TM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjo nathanturley.org%2F2012%2F04%2F20%2Freasonable-doubt-crime-scene-photo s-shows-serious-injury-on-zimmermans-head%2F&ei=gZ-iUf6NEuKsywHruICACA &bvm=bv.47008514,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCNEdGQONkYD70BF9OOa3N_rdwnGcJA&ust=136 9698547203540
 
2013-05-26 07:51:58 PM  

gimmegimme: seadoo2006: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

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i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.

Does that mean I can just walk through your yard anytime, while looking suspicious, and get pissed if anyoen asks me why I'm doing so and if they keep following me after I "try" to leave.  Can I beat up that homeowner for doing so?

Zimmerman didn't own the home.  Your analogy is sillypants.

Besides, you would call 911 and do as you're told.


The 911 operator has no authority to tell you what to do.
 
2013-05-26 07:52:00 PM  
I'm curious is the prosecution will raise the fact that George attended neighborhood watch training sponsored by the Sanford PD. It has previously been reported that he did so, and further that the training in question instructs watchers to not follow or confront suspects. According to George, the two exchanged words while George was sitting in his car, something to the effect of Trayvon asking him what his problem was. And then there's the infamous fact that George left his car to chase after Trayvon. Couple that with the 911 call where George complains that these soandsos always get away. It paints a very clear picture of an angry man acting recklessly.
 
2013-05-26 07:52:26 PM  

Alonjar: overzealous neighborhood watch people


the funny thing is, Zimmerman was not a member of any Neighborhood watch.

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-n ei ghborhood-watch-organization/

and even if he was he violated nearly ever "rule" covering Neighborhood watch groups
 
2013-05-26 07:52:28 PM  

tyrajam: gimmegimme: tyrajam: gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

How did Zimmerman know about the picture?

Martin may have shown it to Zimmerman before the altercation started.
You don't know either way.

WTF does it matter.  You are missing the point again.

The point is that you are grasping at straws.  How could the picture of a gun that you mention give Zimmerman a reason to shoot the kid?

Holy.Farking.Crap. The "reason" he shot Trayvon was because Martin came back and attacked him and was bashing his head into the cement. The defense showing that Martin was trying to illegally buy a gun and used drugs is just to blow holes in the prosecutions attempts to show that Martin was an innocent little child. In the end it doesn't matter. Martin attacked Zimmerman and was shot. It's sad, but not overly complicated.

Hmmm...if Zimmerman had his "head bashed into the cement," surely he was in the hospital for quite some time, right?

Is your google broke? He was treated and released http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad= r ja&docid=gYd6SG1f3a9KPM&tbnid=ZtF78zeEFOs_TM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjo nathanturley.org%2F2012%2F04%2F20%2Freasonable-doubt-crime-scene-photo s-shows-serious-injury-on-zimmermans-head%2F&ei=gZ-iUf6NEuKsywHruICACA &bvm=bv.47008514,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCN ...


"Treated and released"?  Holy shiat, that sounds serious.  How many weeks was he in the hospital?
 
2013-05-26 07:52:53 PM  

gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.

Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems

Getting shot when they're unarmed?

No. Martin most likey thought he was being "disrespected" by Zimmerman. He figured he would teach that honky a lesson. Expect he got taught not to attack people. Maybe other blacks will see this and learn crime doesn't pay.

You're really good at reading the minds of dead people.  Can you ask my grandma where my car keys are?

And don't you mean "blah people?"




Well we do know he backtracked to find Zimmerman. A scared boy doesn't do that. He wanted revenge.
 
2013-05-26 07:53:37 PM  

gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.

Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems

Getting shot when they're unarmed?

No. Martin most likey thought he was being "disrespected" by Zimmerman. He figured he would teach that honky a lesson. Expect he got taught not to attack people. Maybe other blacks will see this and learn crime doesn't pay.

You're really good at reading the minds of dead people.  Can you ask my grandma where my car keys are?

And don't you mean "blah people?"


Can you explain the whole "blah" thing please?
 
2013-05-26 07:53:41 PM  

thenumber5: Alonjar: overzealous neighborhood watch people

the funny thing is, Zimmerman was not a member of any Neighborhood watch.

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-n ei ghborhood-watch-organization/

and even if he was he violated nearly ever "rule" covering Neighborhood watch groups


Zimmerman didn't have time for any rules!  Rules are why "They" always get away!
 
2013-05-26 07:53:42 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: LegacyDL: So by that logic if the kid was a drunk abusive Irish man that beat his wife it would be okay to shoot him as well.

When did text messages become de facto proof that warrants killing people?

Calling yourself "No Limit Ni--a" on twitter don't help either


No Limit is a record label. Perhaps he was a fan?

I guess I should be thankful my twitter handle doesn't reflect my love for old school Dre and Snoop Dogg.
 
2013-05-26 07:54:18 PM  

bugontherug: AngryDragon: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.

Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Try an experiment. Get a nice, soft pad, maybe a pillow, and a friend.

Lay flat on your back, and have your friend straddle you at the waist. Then have him try to "slam" your head back into the soft padding. Remind him that he's not allowed to pull your hair, because Zimmerman's head was shaved.

Without a very great difference in strength, I doubt it's even possible to slam someone's head into the ground if he offers resistance. Especially not from the position described.

And what exactly was Trayvon holding onto?


lol you're a farking moron.  Yes, lay down, and see if you can hold your head up to 130+ lbs of downward force thats already in motion.

I have a physics experiment for you too.  Lay down flat on your back, just as you described, and have your friend firmly place their index finger... and only their index finger.. directly in the center of your forehead.  Try to over power their finger and stand up without having to roll over.

I'll wait here.
 
2013-05-26 07:55:22 PM  

tirob: ChaosStar: tirob: ChaosStar: tirob:

Is there any evidence of this perceived slight that you mention?  Because all the evidence and purported evidence that you have listed here in your posts are also consistent with Martin's perhaps perceiving that he and/or his father's fiancée's condo unit were in danger from a stranger who was following him for no reason that he could fathom.

"Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police." - Orlando Sentinel
You don't really walk up to someone and ask them "do you have a problem" unless you feel like they've done or are doing something against you in some way.

I would give this uncorroborated hearsay from a biased witness a good bit less credibility than you appear to do.  Furthermore, even if this is an accurate reconstruction of the conversation that preceded the fight, it is as consistent with my scenario as it is with yours.

Whether my scenario or yours is correct, Martin is still the aggressor and in the eyes of the law Zimmerman could legally used deadly force if he felt that his life was in danger. When Martin started utilizing the sidewalk as a weapon to the back of Zimmerman's head, Zimmerman had full reason to believe his life may be in danger.

Well, no, that's not exactly how the Florida justifiable use of force statute works, but the fact remains that under that statute, even if Zimmerman was the aggressor he would have had the right to use deadly force if he reasonably believed that Martin was endangering his life.  We do not know for sure, however, whether Martin pounded Zimmerman's head into the pavement (no eyewitness other than Zimmerman has asserted this, AFAIK) o ...




You're correct per:
776.041Use of force by aggressor.-The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(2)Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a)Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant

I wasn't trying to dive to far into that though, as I find it pretty clear Zimmerman was attacked.
It's pretty clear that the pavement was used, as there was really no other means for Zimmerman getting those wounds to the back of his head.
 
2013-05-26 07:56:37 PM  

ChaosStar: 1. correct, but the physical evidence pretty much backs up what Zimmerman said, as well as witness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him. 2. There is a difference between chasing and following. Zimmerman clearly had no intention to catch Martin, he was only observing, so no, that is not assault under Florida law. 3. As I stated before, it's a reasonable question if you want to try and act like a intimidating thug instead of a reasonable person. 4. When did Zimmerman have the chance? Martin punched him after two sentences. 5. Then you would be wrong and subject to arrest, or, as the case is here, dead. You are not in reasonable fear for your life just because someone reaches into their pocket.


1) No it only backs up parts of it, all we know for the  physical evidence is that Zimmerman chased Martin, got into a fight with Martin and was losing the fight when he shot Martin

2)  Under Florida law it is illegal to "follow: someone if  that creates fear or apprehension, a clear indicator of fear or apprehension is when the  personflees from you, intent isfurther shownwhen you leave your vehicle to continue to follow them, as forZimmerman intent of not catching him there is no indicationthat true, onlyZimmermanword which is very suspect due to hislying about hisfinancestothe  court

3) I am glad you agree that Martin hadevery right to question Zimmerman as to why he was following him that is something areasonable person would ask a thug.

4) Zimmerman had a Chance toreply when Martinconfronted him, yet he admits to being evasive  by saying hehad no problem

5)  NO I wouldn't under  many states laws including Florida since I could show by Zimmerman's actions that I felt fear of imminent harm.  even here in good old libby lib CA it would be considered justifiable self defense since:

I was being "followed" by a stranger in a car
I was  then "followed" by that person who left their car and continued to "follow" me on foot as I fled from them
Rounding a corner and immediately meeting up with them as I tried to flee them,  I asked what  their problem was and they became evasive by saying they did not have one
Which upon answering they reached into their pocket for an object, which due to their preceding actions made me have reasonable fear that  it was a weapon and I was facing imminent harm

Like I said keep it up you are making the  prosecutions case for them, FYI.
 
2013-05-26 07:56:47 PM  

duffblue: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.

Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems

Getting shot when they're unarmed?

No. Martin most likey thought he was being "disrespected" by Zimmerman. He figured he would teach that honky a lesson. Expect he got taught not to attack people. Maybe other blacks will see this and learn crime doesn't pay.

You're really good at reading the minds of dead people.  Can you ask my grandma where my car keys are?

And don't you mean "blah people?"

Can you explain the whole "blah" thing please?


"Blah people" was coined when Rick Santorum, another non-racist, started to complain that he doesn't want government to make "blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah people's" lives better.  He realized he was saying something racist mid-word and tried to correct.
 
2013-05-26 07:58:48 PM  

gimmegimme: tyrajam: gimmegimme: tyrajam: gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

Again, I have recent photos firing a machine gun, guess you'd better just kill me now.

This is way beyond grasping at straws, its pathetic really.

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!


If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

How did Zimmerman know about the picture?

Martin may have shown it to Zimmerman before the altercation started.
You don't know either way.

WTF does it matter.  You are missing the point again.

The point is that you are grasping at straws.  How could the picture of a gun that you mention give Zimmerman a reason to shoot the kid?

Holy.Farking.Crap. The "reason" he shot Trayvon was because Martin came back and attacked him and was bashing his head into the cement. The defense showing that Martin was trying to illegally buy a gun and used drugs is just to blow holes in the prosecutions attempts to show that Martin was an innocent little child. In the end it doesn't matter. Martin attacked Zimmerman and was shot. It's sad, but not overly complicated.

Hmmm...if Zimmerman had his "head bashed into the cement," surely he was in the hospital for quite some time, right?

Is your google broke? He was treated and released http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad= r ja&docid=gYd6SG1f3a9KPM&tbnid=ZtF78zeEFOs_TM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjo nathanturley.org%2F2012%2F04%2F20%2Freasonable-doubt-crime-scene-photo s-shows-serious-injury-on-zimmermans-head%2F&ei=gZ-iUf6NEuKsywHruICACA &bvm=bv.47008514,d.aWc&ps ...


Yawn. Your trolling has lost its entertainment value. Nobody believes that after your head is split open you should wait for more serious damage to occur before you defend yourself.
 
2013-05-26 07:59:01 PM  

j0e_average: Zimmerman will be acquited and the darkies will go ape-shiat in Sanford.

The end.


yup. Itll be rodney king all ovet again.
 
2013-05-26 07:59:11 PM  

j0e_average: Zimmerman will be acquited and the darkies will go ape-shiat in Sanford.

The end.


Bring the noise, I say.
 
2013-05-26 07:59:55 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Another angry black man unavailable for comment.


Hes innocent. Its all racism
 
2013-05-26 08:00:02 PM  

tyrajam: Yawn. Your trolling has lost its entertainment value. Nobody believes that after your head is split open you should wait for more serious damage to occur before you defend yourself.


And no one believes that if your head is "split open" that a Band-Aid will suffice.
 
2013-05-26 08:01:04 PM  

tyrajam: Is your google broke? He was treated and released


ORLY?

From ABC News.com: The morning after the shooting, on Feb. 27, Zimmerman sought treatment at the offices of a general physician at a family practice near Sanford, Fla. The doctor notes Zimmerman sought an appointment to get legal clearance to return to work.

From the New York Times: According to a report by another officer, Timothy Smith, the police offered Mr. Zimmerman the chance to be taken to hospital at least three times - at the scene, during the ride to the police station and after arriving at the station - and he declined each time.

Zimmerman didn't get treated by a doctor until after he was released, not before.
 
2013-05-26 08:01:30 PM  

gimmegimme: And no one believes that if your head is "split open" that a Band-Aid will suffice.


So wait.  You're saying martin didnt assault zimmerman?
 
2013-05-26 08:01:56 PM  

thenumber5: Alonjar: overzealous neighborhood watch people

the funny thing is, Zimmerman was not a member of any Neighborhood watch.

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-n ei ghborhood-watch-organization/

and even if he was he violated nearly ever "rule" covering Neighborhood watch groups


I know it's impressively difficult to remain so ignorant of something that has been shoved down Farks throat for over a year, but I'll just leave you with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#Background _of_ the_shooting

In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. As the only volunteer, Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival,

Three weeks prior to the shooting, on February 2, 2012, Zimmerman called police to report a young man peering into the windows of an empty Twin Lakes home. Zimmerman was told a police car was on the way and he waited for their arrival. By the time police arrived, the suspect had fled. On February 6, workers witnessed two young black men lingering in the yard of a Twin Lakes resident around the same time her home was burglarized. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. The next day police discovered the stolen laptop in the backpack of a young black man, which led to his arrest. Zimmerman identified this young man as the same person he had spotted peering into windows on February 2.

Zimmerman had been licensed to carry a firearm since November 2009. In response to Zimmerman's multiple reports regarding a loose Although neighborhood watch volunteers are not encouraged to carry weapons, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee acknowledged that Zimmerman had a legal right to carry his firearm on the night of the shooting.
 
2013-05-26 08:02:01 PM  
OK in English this time:

ChaosStar: 1. correct, but the physical evidence pretty much backs up what Zimmerman said, as well as witness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him. 2. There is a difference between chasing and following. Zimmerman clearly had no intention to catch Martin, he was only observing, so no, that is not assault under Florida law. 3. As I stated before, it's a reasonable question if you want to try and act like a intimidating thug instead of a reasonable person. 4. When did Zimmerman have the chance? Martin punched him after two sentences. 5. Then you would be wrong and subject to arrest, or, as the case is here, dead. You are not in reasonable fear for your life just because someone reaches into their pocket.

1) No it only backs up parts of it, all we know for the physical evidence is that Zimmerman chased Martin, got into a fight with Martin and was losing the fight when he shot Martin

2) Under Florida law it is illegal to "follow" someone if that creates fear or apprehension, a clear indicator of fear or apprehension is when the person flees from you, intent is further shown when you leave your vehicle to continue to follow them, as for Zimmermans intent of not catching him there is no indication of that being true, only Zimmermans word which is very suspect due to his lying about his finances to the court

3) I am glad you agree that Martin hadevery right to question Zimmerman as to why he was following him that is something areasonable person would ask a thug.

4) Zimmerman had a Chance toreply when Martinconfronted him, yet he admits to being evasive by saying hehad no problem

5) NO I wouldn't under many states laws including Florida since I could show by Zimmerman's actions that I felt fear of imminent harm. even here in good old libby lib CA it would be considered justifiable self defense since:

I was being "followed" by a stranger in a car
I was then "followed" by that person who left their car and continued to "follow" me on foot as I fled from them
Rounding a corner and immediately meeting up with them as I tried to flee them, I asked what their problem was and they became evasive by saying they did not have one
Which upon answering they reached into their pocket for an object, which due to their preceding actions made me have reasonable fear that it was a weapon and I was facing imminent harm

Like I said keep it up you are making the prosecutions case for them, FYI
 
2013-05-26 08:02:24 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Well we do know he backtracked to find Zimmerman. A scared boy doesn't do that. He wanted revenge.


We know nothing of the sort. The only things that are confirmed by the evidence are that Zimmerman was following Martin, that he lost sight of him, and that some time later a violent confrontation occurred. Beyond that, we have only Zimmerman's word that he wasn't continuing to pursue Martin, and his account is suspect for obvious reasons.
 
2013-05-26 08:03:53 PM  

gimmegimme: duffblue: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: gimmegimme: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: Mid_mo_mad_man: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Isn't it sad that Martin got wrapped up in marijuana?

yeah.
that and the culture of violence.
bad combination.


Say what you really mean and say black culture. Quit avoiding the truth

Nope.
I have said before, in almost all the gun threads, that we have a culture of violence in this country.
Hollywood is out of control and they duck whenever there is a mass shooting.

Well I'm saying black culture. They need to look at themselves for the source of thier problems

Getting shot when they're unarmed?

No. Martin most likey thought he was being "disrespected" by Zimmerman. He figured he would teach that honky a lesson. Expect he got taught not to attack people. Maybe other blacks will see this and learn crime doesn't pay.

You're really good at reading the minds of dead people.  Can you ask my grandma where my car keys are?

And don't you mean "blah people?"

Can you explain the whole "blah" thing please?

"Blah people" was coined when Rick Santorum, another non-racist, started to complain that he doesn't want government to make "blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah people's" lives better.  He realized he was saying something racist mid-word and tried to correct.


I am not sure what he said honestly. Poor choice of words even if he didn't say black people.
 
2013-05-26 08:05:08 PM  

Azlefty: ChaosStar: 1. correct, but the physical evidence pretty much backs up what Zimmerman said, as well as witness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him. 2. There is a difference between chasing and following. Zimmerman clearly had no intention to catch Martin, he was only observing, so no, that is not assault under Florida law. 3. As I stated before, it's a reasonable question if you want to try and act like a intimidating thug instead of a reasonable person. 4. When did Zimmerman have the chance? Martin punched him after two sentences. 5. Then you would be wrong and subject to arrest, or, as the case is here, dead. You are not in reasonable fear for your life just because someone reaches into their pocket.

1) No it only backs up parts of it, all we know for the  physical evidence is that Zimmerman chased Martin, got into a fight with Martin and was losing the fight when he shot Martin

2)  Under Florida law it is illegal to "follow: someone if  that creates fear or apprehension, a clear indicator of fear or apprehension is when the  personflees from you, intent isfurther shownwhen you leave your vehicle to continue to follow them, as forZimmerman intent of not catching him there is no indicationthat true, onlyZimmermanword which is very suspect due to hislying about hisfinancestothe  court

3) I am glad you agree that Martin hadevery right to question Zimmerman as to why he was following him that is something areasonable person would ask a thug.

4) Zimmerman had a Chance toreply when Martinconfronted him, yet he admits to being evasive  by saying hehad no problem

5)  NO I wouldn't under  many states laws including Florida since I could show by Zimmerman's actions that I felt fear of imminent harm.  even here in good old libby lib CA it would be considered justifiable self defense since:

I was being "followed" by a stranger in a car
I was  then "followed" by that person who left their car and continued to "follow" me on foot as I fled from them ...


1. You're a liar
2. You're interpreting the law wrong, as Zimmerman had a legitimate reason to follow Martin.
3. Whatever you say troll
4. So now you expect Zimmerman to explain to a potential robber/assailant his motives when confronted within reaching distance instead of trying to pull out his phone and call the police like he was supposed to? Uh huh.
5. You're forgetting that you approached them, they didn't catch up to you. So you nullified your fear of imminent harm when you purposely walked up to them after they stopped following you.
Thanks for playing
 
2013-05-26 08:06:17 PM  

gimmegimme: tyrajam: Yawn. Your trolling has lost its entertainment value. Nobody believes that after your head is split open you should wait for more serious damage to occur before you defend yourself.

And no one believes that if your head is "split open" that a Band-Aid will suffice.


Wow. I even provided you the link and you still won't read what actually happened. Hint: there are pictures in the link. Google Zimmerman injuries images and  tell me more about how his head was not split. You can lead a horse to water...
 
2013-05-26 08:06:32 PM  

thenumber5: Alonjar: overzealous neighborhood watch people

the funny thing is, Zimmerman was not a member of any Neighborhood watch.

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-n ei ghborhood-watch-organization/

and even if he was he violated nearly ever "rule" covering Neighborhood watch groups


Meh.
Didn't you see the movie "The Watch"?

Besides, you make it sound as if there is a standard set of rules governing all neighborhood watch groups.
 
2013-05-26 08:07:36 PM  
imageshack.us imageshack.us

What somebody who wasn't assaulted might look like.
 
2013-05-26 08:07:42 PM  

MatrixOutsider: The 911 operator has no authority to tell you what to do.


Everyone knows that listening to the 911 Operator and doing what they tell you is for chumps anyway. When my house was on fire, the stupid operator told me to "stop, drop, and roll" when I told her my pants caught fire. Yeah, right - like i'm going to roll on the ground like an idiot and get my designer jeans all dirty! I might have 3rd degree burns all over my butt and genitals now, but at least I showed that stupid ho who's the boss! Stop, drop and roll on my burnt weiner, beeyotch!
 
2013-05-26 08:09:21 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Mid_mo_mad_man: Well we do know he backtracked to find Zimmerman. A scared boy doesn't do that. He wanted revenge.

We know nothing of the sort. The only things that are confirmed by the evidence are that Zimmerman was following Martin, that he lost sight of him, and that some time later a violent confrontation occurred. Beyond that, we have only Zimmerman's word that he wasn't continuing to pursue Martin, and his account is suspect for obvious reasons.




The injuries to Zimmerman indicate he was attacked from behind. So one of two things happened. One Zimmerman was walking away after confronting the thug and was attacked. Or he was ambushed by the boy. Either way the punk got what was coming to him.
 
2013-05-26 08:09:55 PM  
I just find it to be a funny coincidence-- and surely, it's just a coincidence-- that all the people defending Zimmerman also happen to be the same most-likely white macho-type guys who frequent gun threads babbling about Obama takin' their guns and how the MSM doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine.

Just a funny coincidence. Surely, the cracker gun nuts aren't also racists?!?!
 
2013-05-26 08:11:42 PM  

Alonjar: [imageshack.us image 381x510] [imageshack.us image 250x359]

What somebody who wasn't assaulted might look like.


I'd post Martin's photo, but the morgue didn't release it.
 
2013-05-26 08:12:24 PM  

OnlyM3: 1) You're a liar and you know it. He was not ordered to say in the car
2) 9-1-1 phone monkeys have no authority to give orders.


1. That's what I farking remember from an article when all this bullshiat started. Sorry for remembering wrong? Though it seems to have made you very angry.
 
2013-05-26 08:12:54 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: The injuries to Zimmerman indicate he was attacked from behind. So one of two things happened. One Zimmerman was walking away after confronting the thug and was attacked. Or he was ambushed by the boy. Either way the punk got what was coming to him.


A bloody nose means he was attacked from behind? You get that watching CSI?
 
2013-05-26 08:13:11 PM  

Azlefty: OK in English this time:

ChaosStar: 1. correct, but the physical evidence pretty much backs up what Zimmerman said, as well as witness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him. 2. There is a difference between chasing and following. Zimmerman clearly had no intention to catch Martin, he was only observing, so no, that is not assault under Florida law. 3. As I stated before, it's a reasonable question if you want to try and act like a intimidating thug instead of a reasonable person. 4. When did Zimmerman have the chance? Martin punched him after two sentences. 5. Then you would be wrong and subject to arrest, or, as the case is here, dead. You are not in reasonable fear for your life just because someone reaches into their pocket.

1) No it only backs up parts of it, all we know for the physical evidence is that Zimmerman chased Martin, got into a fight with Martin and was losing the fight when he shot Martin

2) Under Florida law it is illegal to "follow" someone if that creates fear or apprehension, a clear indicator of fear or apprehension is when the person flees from you, intent is further shown when you leave your vehicle to continue to follow them, as for Zimmermans intent of not catching him there is no indication of that being true, only Zimmermans word which is very suspect due to his lying about his finances to the court

3) I am glad you agree that Martin hadevery right to question Zimmerman as to why he was following him that is something areasonable person would ask a thug.

4) Zimmerman had a Chance toreply when Martinconfronted him, yet he admits to being evasive by saying hehad no problem

5) NO I wouldn't under many states laws including Florida since I could show by Zimmerman's actions that I felt fear of imminent harm. even here in good old libby lib CA it would be considered justifiable self defense since:

I was being "followed" by a stranger in a car
I was then "followed" by that person who left their car and cont ...


1. You're still lying
2. Zimmerman wasn't chasing Martin, he wasn't running full tilt after him to try and hold him down for the police. He was following, observing, and reporting what he saw to the dispatcher as he suspected Martin of being one of the people that were causing break ins in his neighborhood. There's your indication. This does not break any Florida law, and I challenge you to cite one that it does.
3. You're a tool
4. Yes, because telling Martin he thought he was a hoodlum trying to find a house to break into would really go far to not escalate the situation. Clearly he was trying to be evasive by not straight up telling Martin this and instead answering to the negative.
5. Now you're just making shiat up. Rounding a corner and meeting up with them while fleeing? Zimmerman was going in the opposite direction back to his vehicle, so unless your corner breaks the laws of time and space then you're not going to get away with that one.
 
2013-05-26 08:13:12 PM  

gimmegimme: tyrajam: Yawn. Your trolling has lost its entertainment value. Nobody believes that after your head is split open you should wait for more serious damage to occur before you defend yourself.

And no one believes that if your head is "split open" that a Band-Aid will suffice.


The one big thing I've learned from your rather "interesting" comments is anyone should feel totally safe attacking you, since even if they jump on you and slam your hear into the sidewalk you apparently feel it's impolite to pull a weapon to defend yourself.
 
2013-05-26 08:13:31 PM  

Azlefty: OK in English this time:

ChaosStar: 1. correct, but the physical evidence pretty much backs up what Zimmerman said, as well as witness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him. 2. There is a difference between chasing and following. Zimmerman clearly had no intention to catch Martin, he was only observing, so no, that is not assault under Florida law. 3. As I stated before, it's a reasonable question if you want to try and act like a intimidating thug instead of a reasonable person. 4. When did Zimmerman have the chance? Martin punched him after two sentences. 5. Then you would be wrong and subject to arrest, or, as the case is here, dead. You are not in reasonable fear for your life just because someone reaches into their pocket.

1) No it only backs up parts of it, all we know for the physical evidence is that Zimmerman chased Martin, got into a fight with Martin and was losing the fight when he shot Martin

2) Under Florida law it is illegal to "follow" someone if that creates fear or apprehension, a clear indicator of fear or apprehension is when the person flees from you, intent is further shown when you leave your vehicle to continue to follow them, as for Zimmermans intent of not catching him there is no indication of that being true, only Zimmermans word which is very suspect due to his lying about his finances to the court

3) I am glad you agree that Martin hadevery right to question Zimmerman as to why he was following him that is something areasonable person would ask a thug.

4) Zimmerman had a Chance toreply when Martinconfronted him, yet he admits to being evasive by saying hehad no problem

5) NO I wouldn't under many states laws including Florida since I could show by Zimmerman's actions that I felt fear of imminent harm. even here in good old libby lib CA it would be considered justifiable self defense since:

I was being "followed" by a stranger in a car
I was then "followed" by that person who left their car and continued to "follow" me on foot as I fled from them
Rounding a corner and immediately meeting up with them as I tried to flee them, I asked what their problem was and they became evasive by saying they did not have one
Which upon answering they reached into their pocket for an object, which due to their preceding actions made me have reasonable fear that it was a weapon and I was facing imminent harm

Like I said keep it up you are making the prosecutions case for them, FYI


If you can find even one mention of Florida officials even talking about Zimmerman and assault or stalking, I'd be interested in reading it. Otherwise most of your assertions seem to be a completely incorrect application of a non applicable law.
 
2013-05-26 08:13:43 PM  
ChaosStar: I wasn't trying to dive to far into that though, as I find it pretty clear Zimmerman was attacked.
It's pretty clear that the pavement was used, as there was really no other means for Zimmerman getting those wounds to the back of his head. 

---

1.  Neither of us knows how the fight started, or why.  When you say that you find it clear that Z was attacked, I sense that you are relying on evidence (Z's statements) that I for one would take with a grain of salt.  There is no eyewitness that I know of who can corroborate a single one of Z's assertions on this point.

2.  I'll buy the idea that Zimmerman's head injuries were caused by the pavement, but I have no way of knowing whether Martin pounded Zimmerman's head into the pavement.  I am unaware of any eyewitness who reported seeing this, Zimmerman himself excepted.

3.  Neither of us knows whether Zimmerman pulled his gun because Martin was pounding his head into the pavement, or because he reasonably feared for his life, or for some other reason.  We'll find out, perhaps, at Zimmerman's trial.  Until then, I think that all we're doing is conjecturing.
 
2013-05-26 08:13:46 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Wolf_Blitzer: Mid_mo_mad_man: Well we do know he backtracked to find Zimmerman. A scared boy doesn't do that. He wanted revenge.

We know nothing of the sort. The only things that are confirmed by the evidence are that Zimmerman was following Martin, that he lost sight of him, and that some time later a violent confrontation occurred. Beyond that, we have only Zimmerman's word that he wasn't continuing to pursue Martin, and his account is suspect for obvious reasons.

The injuries to Zimmerman indicate he was attacked from behind. So one of two things happened. One Zimmerman was walking away after confronting the thug and was attacked. Or he was ambushed by the boy. Either way the punk got what was coming to him.


I thought the injuries indicated that Zimmerman got his ass kicked and the back of his head pounded on the cement after he stalked and then accosted Martin with his gun, and Martin stood his ground and tried to defend himself.
 
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