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(New York Daily News)   George Zimmerman's legal team has been given the green light to present the "the victim was an angry black kid, so it's okay that I shot him" defense   (nydailynews.com) divider line 695
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2013-05-26 06:29:43 PM
Shiat, I have photos of a gun on my phone from the last time I was at the range. A machine gun even! Guess that means I'm in need of a killin'.
 
2013-05-26 06:29:54 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?

You'd think this was painfully obvious by now, but we have only Zimmerman's word for it that Martin struck first, and its possible he has some motivation for lying in this regard...


But it's impossible for him to be telling the truth, right Nancy Grace?
 
2013-05-26 06:31:08 PM

Doom MD: Wolf_Blitzer: duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?

You'd think this was painfully obvious by now, but we have only Zimmerman's word for it that Martin struck first, and its possible he has some motivation for lying in this regard...

Hence reasonable doubt


How convenient that you can create reasonable doubt by killing your victim instead of being him up.

tenpoundsofcheese: It doesn't matter. He had authority to be armed (I assume he had a license to be armed), you don't anyone's authority to pursuit (aka follow) someone.


Why was he pursuing Martin in the first place?  Surely he had a reason to roll around behind the kid and then follow him on foot.
 
2013-05-26 06:31:18 PM

FloridaFarkTag: LegacyDL: So by that logic if the kid was a drunk abusive Irish man that beat his wife it would be okay to shoot him as well.

When did text messages become de facto proof that warrants killing people?

Calling yourself "No Limit Ni--a" on twitter don't help either


apparently that limit was reached.  he was weighed, he was measured, and he was found wanting.
 
2013-05-26 06:31:35 PM
gimmegimme:
Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?

I think it's somewhere in the guidelines that when you jump on someone and start bashing their head into the pavement, they'll probably try to shoot you if they can.
 
2013-05-26 06:31:37 PM

duffblue: gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: MJMaloney187: Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...

No, it has yet to be allowed

Some of it will be allowed. This judge will be overturned on appeal if evidence is not allowed and Zimmerman is convicted....esp any evidence showing TM stoned around the time of incident, pot use, and any time the prosecutors spew the "Trayvon was a 14 yr old honor student" BS

It is obvious that the prosecution is in trouble.... they want all the negative Trayvon evidence excluded....you can't lynch an innocent man if you are caught cold busted lying

Just wonder how much of their ghetto the Black Racists gonna burn when they can't lynch Zimmerman...

Ted Nugent isn't black...

You probably aren't old enough to remember the Rodney king riots


The "negative Trayon evidence" might be considered largely irrelevant.  Zimmerman didn't know anything about him, except what happened that night.  And the fact that he lost a fight might serve as a motive for his pursuit and shooting.
 
2013-05-26 06:31:41 PM
Imagine a road rage incident where you chase a guy down because what the hell you have a gun, you get into a fight, and you shoot the guy dead because you were losing the fight.  B-b-b-but I was standing my ground!
 
2013-05-26 06:32:08 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?

You'd think this was painfully obvious by now, but we have only Zimmerman's word for it that Martin struck first, and its possible he has some motivation for lying in this regard...


Naw, what possible motive might Zimmerman have for lying about who struck first?
 
2013-05-26 06:32:38 PM

ChaosStar: A Terrible Human: Why didn't Zimmerman stay the fark in his car like he was told to?

He might have, if he had been told to stay in his car. He wasn't though; he was asked by the dispatcher if he was following him (Martin), he said yes, the dispatcher told him that he didn't need to do that to which he replied ok and stopped.


A dispatcher is not a law enforcement officer in Seminole County.....they cannot order you to not do something. A dispatcher could be prosecuted and sent to prison if they mislead that they are law enforcement and they are not

If the Tobias Funke clone of a prosecutor goes down this route w the dispatcher....GZ lawyers will go analrapist on him. Tobias would be making one huge mistake... he blue the case

(Welcome back Arrested Development)
 
2013-05-26 06:32:40 PM
I'm sorry, if someone approaches me with a gun, I don't try to kick his ass.  I lay down, ask him to call the police, and sort it out.

I don't know what level of ignorance it requires to actively fight someone with a firearm, but this kid was surely under it.
 
2013-05-26 06:32:44 PM

gimmegimme: Abox: seadoo2006: ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

This ... can't believe this is still being debated.  It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.


That this is Zimmerman's story isn't being debated.

Dude, why wouldn't you take Zimmerman's story at face value?


We don't need to take his story at face value.

  - The physical evidence available to police confirms the story
  - The electronic (cell phone), information available to police confirms the story
  - The actual eye witnesses corroborate the story
  - The medical evidence (both Zimmerman's wounds, and the coroner's report) confirm the story
  - After several hours of interrogation, police believed his story

... and finally,
 
  - Any other alternate descriptions of the event are based on pure speculation of attitudes or events that either appear to conflict with the character history of those involved (Zimmerman as a racist, Martin as non-violent), or are impossible to prove (Zimmerman initiated a physical assault after the phone call), and thus not valid evidence, and should be ignored.

We have no need to take his story at face value; it's already been tested at the hands of the law, and it has passed.  It's a reasonable explanation of events, and it's been confirmed to the best ability of the professionals who's job it is to handle such things.

I suspect that those who disagree, who cling to their speculations, are actually exhibiting some sort of bias; either versus authority, guns, assumed guilt of the survivor of a conflict, or simply by way of racial discrimination.
 
2013-05-26 06:33:03 PM
Subby your love for criminals and hatred towards those who stop them is wrong-headed and ignorant.

But then I guess you already know that don't you?
 
2013-05-26 06:33:13 PM
gimmegimme:

Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's death caused by some means?

tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Why was Zimmerman following Martin? Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?

weird questions.
since when do you need authority to follow someone?

You're really denying that Zim was playing police officer?


I'll answer your question by telling you that no one is saying that the online rhetoric is justification for Martin's death. You're the only one making that connection.
What the defense is saying is that Martin wasn't the angel the media made him out to be, in fact he was the type likely to punch Zimmerman in the nose and beat his head on the sidewalk for a perceived slight to himself and this online rhetoric goes to prove that. There's your answer.

As to your second, no, Zimmerman wasn't playing police officer. He was being a concerned citizen who was reporting everything he was seeing to the police, and following the instructions from the dispatcher including not following Martin when he was told he didn't need to.
 
2013-05-26 06:33:15 PM

gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: Why was Zimmerman following Martin? Under what authority did he engage in an armed pursuit?

weird questions.
since when do you need authority to follow someone?

You're really denying that Zim was playing police officer?


If the definition of "playing police officer" is following someone, then yes, he was following Martin so by your definition he was playing police officer.  Now, there is nothing illegal about following someone, so I am not sure what your point is.

Why would you imply that he needed to get permission from someone to follow someone else?
 
2013-05-26 06:33:19 PM

tyrajam: gimmegimme:
Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?

I think it's somewhere in the guidelines that when you jump on someone and start bashing their head into the pavement, they'll probably try to shoot you if they can.


What you said makes no sense.  What possible motivation do people have for bringing Martin's online speech into a discussion of his death?
 
2013-05-26 06:34:42 PM

Abox: ChaosStar: Especially when you didn't start said fight.

Sorry, I didn't realize the trial was over.


This trial was over when they went for a murder in the second degree charge. It won't happen.
 
2013-05-26 06:35:12 PM
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But will he still sell me an affordable suit?

/And can I set that tie on fire? It's hideous.
 
2013-05-26 06:35:21 PM
It's s'funny the Farkers here drawing parallels to their Florida youth, these guys would already bringing their personal biases into the courtroom, they won't sit you...the defense is gonna have a jury of a dozen busdrivers, http://www.examiner.com/article/trayvon-martin-s-ten-day-suspension
& you can bet on a McDuffie verdict (Google it, young'ins-thorns shoved down a dying kid's throat)
 
2013-05-26 06:35:28 PM

Abox: Imagine a road rage incident where you chase a guy down because what the hell you have a gun, you get into a fight, and you shoot the guy dead because you were losing the fight.  B-b-b-but I was standing my ground!


That's exactly the type of altercation that SYG was passed for ... the ability for someone who is in a weaker position to kill someone in a potentially lethal stronger position.  You'd think for all the pro-gun tards, you'd be happy someone stood their ground.

God forbid, you know, you were beat up for your wallet and wanted to defend yourself ... isn't that what you're all for.  It doesn't matter if Martin was being followed ... the evidence shows that Zimmerman was beat up, thus, allowing SYG to be used.  Wasn't Florida the state that said SYG was legal for verbal threats as well?
 
2013-05-26 06:35:39 PM
Sure...and the drunk driver thinks his alcohol use is not relevant in his case

Trademark was stoned when he assaulted GZ...he uses pot...it will come in
 
2013-05-26 06:36:03 PM

quietwalker: gimmegimme: Abox: seadoo2006: ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:
"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.
When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

This ... can't believe this is still being debated.  It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.


That this is Zimmerman's story isn't being debated.

Dude, why wouldn't you take Zimmerman's story at face value?

We don't need to take his story at face value.

  - The physical evidence available to police confirms the story
  - The electronic (cell phone), information available to police confirms the story
  - The actual eye witnesses corroborate the story
  - The medical evidence (both Zimmerman's wounds, and the coroner's report) confirm the story
  - After several hours of interrogation, police believed his story

... and finally,
 
  - Any other alternate descriptions of the event are based on pure speculation of attitudes or events that either appear to conflict with the character history of those involved (Zimmerman as a racist, Martin as non-violent), or are impossible to prove (Zimmerman initiated a physical assault after the phone call), and thus not valid evidence, and should be ignored.

We have n ...


I thought this hadn't gone to trial yet... Interesting. So they are re-trying him?
 
2013-05-26 06:36:23 PM
So when trying to establish whether he was assaulted or not, it's irrelevant to present information specifically about Martin's character when it comes to violence, crime and drug abuse? That's racist?
 
2013-05-26 06:36:40 PM

Abox: I B-b-b-but I was standing my ground!


The SYG immunity was not applicable here. WTF are you yapping about.
 
2013-05-26 06:36:55 PM
No one needs police permission to follow someone.

A police dispatcher cannot order you not to follow someone.

Being followed is not a lawful justification for assaulting someone.

Reasonable force may be used to defend against an assault.

Deadly force is reasonable and lawful to defend against an assault where that assault likely will result in death or serious bodily injury. 

Nothing I just said makes sense to a liberal.
 
2013-05-26 06:36:58 PM

ChaosStar: What the defense is saying is that Martin wasn't the angel the media made him out to be, in fact he was the type likely to punch Zimmerman in the nose and beat his head on the sidewalk for a perceived slight to himself and this online rhetoric goes to prove that. There's your answer.

As to your second, no, Zimmerman wasn't playing police officer. He was being a concerned citizen who was reporting everything he was seeing to the police, and following the instructions from the dispatcher including not following Martin when he was told he didn't need to.


Why does Martin's online rhetoric matter, but Zimmerman's history of violence doesn't?  If Zimmerman ended the pursuit after being told "you don't have to do that," why wasn't he driving home?

tenpoundsofcheese: If the definition of "playing police officer" is following someone, then yes, he was following Martin so by your definition he was playing police officer. Now, there is nothing illegal about following someone, so I am not sure what your point is.

Why would you imply that he needed to get permission from someone to follow someone else?


Surely Zimmerman had a good reason to follow Martin, right?
 
2013-05-26 06:37:41 PM

gimmegimme: Doom MD: Wolf_Blitzer: duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?

You'd think this was painfully obvious by now, but we have only Zimmerman's word for it that Martin struck first, and its possible he has some motivation for lying in this regard...

Hence reasonable doubt

How convenient that you can create reasonable doubt by killing your victim instead of being him up.

tenpoundsofcheese: It doesn't matter. He had authority to be armed (I assume he had a license to be armed), you don't anyone's authority to pursuit (aka follow) someone.

Why was he pursuing Martin in the first place?  Surely he had a reason to roll around behind the kid and then follow him on foot.


Burden of proof is proving that Zimmerman murdered Trayvon. It's not who is more likely telling the truth.
 
2013-05-26 06:38:42 PM

Abox: Imagine a road rage incident where you chase a guy down because what the hell you have a gun, you get into a fight, and you shoot the guy dead because you were losing the fight.

when the gun goes off in the middle of the fight.

I don't know if that happened, but if I were the defense attorney, that would be one of scenarios I would try in getting to "reasonable doubt".   You see it all the time in the movies.  Fight.  Gun goes off.  Each person looks at each other as if to say "one of us were shot, was it you?".  One guy falls to the ground.
 
2013-05-26 06:38:57 PM

FloridaFarkTag: ChaosStar: A Terrible Human: Why didn't Zimmerman stay the fark in his car like he was told to?

He might have, if he had been told to stay in his car. He wasn't though; he was asked by the dispatcher if he was following him (Martin), he said yes, the dispatcher told him that he didn't need to do that to which he replied ok and stopped.

A dispatcher is not a law enforcement officer in Seminole County.....they cannot order you to not do something. A dispatcher could be prosecuted and sent to prison if they mislead that they are law enforcement and they are not

If the Tobias Funke clone of a prosecutor goes down this route w the dispatcher....GZ lawyers will go analrapist on him. Tobias would be making one huge mistake... he blue the case

(Welcome back Arrested Development)


I'm not sure what side you're coming down on on this. I never said the dispatcher told him what to do or said they were a leo?
They told him that he didn't need to follow Martin, he said ok and stopped. Everyone keeps clinging to the (madeup) story that Zimmerman charged up to Martin and started demanding answers from him when the only time they exchanged words was right before Martin started the altercation that led to the shooting.
 
2013-05-26 06:39:10 PM

FloridaFarkTag: Sure...and the drunk driver thinks his alcohol use is not relevant in his case

Trademark was stoned when he assaulted GZ...he uses pot...it will come in


A drunk driver isn't followed around by his car for several minutes in a suspicious manner.

Tatsuma: So when trying to establish whether he was assaulted or not, it's irrelevant to present information specifically about Martin's character when it comes to violence, crime and drug abuse? That's racist?


So you're admitting that Zimmerman has a documented history of real violence.  Awesome.
 
2013-05-26 06:39:37 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: duffblue: Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?

You'd think this was painfully obvious by now, but we have only Zimmerman's word for it that Martin struck first, and its possible he has some motivation for lying in this regard...


Well his testimony and the coroner's report
 
2013-05-26 06:39:53 PM

gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

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i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.


...even if you're a cop, that's the sort of shiat that would get you thrown off the force in a sane world (and even a few weeks paid leave in this insane one), unless you had ironclad absolute proof that he was an immediate threat to anyone else. Zimmerman doesn't even have proof that Martin started the final altercation that got him killed.
 
2013-05-26 06:39:55 PM

mexican bathtub cheese: No one needs police permission to follow someone.

A police dispatcher cannot order you not to follow someone.

Being followed is not a lawful justification for assaulting someone.

Reasonable force may be used to defend against an assault.

Deadly force is reasonable and lawful to defend against an assault where that assault likely will result in death or serious bodily injury. 

Nothing I just said makes sense to a liberal.


It makes perfect sense to me and I'm a liberal!
 
2013-05-26 06:40:19 PM

AirForceVet: If some strange man came up to me when I was 17 in the middle of a Florida night and demanded why I was in my neighborhood, I'd have told him to fark off. If he touched me, I'd have kicked his ass too.


You would have been arrested also...
 
2013-05-26 06:40:25 PM

tyrajam: The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.


From Wikipedia: The autopsy report stated that Martin had trace levels of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, in his blood and urine.[144][145] The toxicology report found the levels to be 1.5 nanograms/ml of THC and 7.3 nanograms/ml of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked.[144][145] Larry Kobilinsky, a professor of forensic science, stated that the THC amount was so low that it may have been ingested days earlier and played no role in Martin's behavior.[146]

If he had consumed "purple drank" he would have had codeine in his system, which is not the case. Also, "drank" makes you lethargic, not aggressive (codeine is a sedative). "Drank" requires cough syrup, sprite (or vodka) and sometimes Jolly Ranchers. None of these items were purchased from Trayvon the night of his murder.

If you're going to troll, at least try harder than that.

2/10
 
2013-05-26 06:40:34 PM

mexican bathtub cheese: No one needs police permission to follow someone.

A police dispatcher cannot order you not to follow someone.

Being followed is not a lawful justification for assaulting someone.

Reasonable force may be used to defend against an assault.

Deadly force is reasonable and lawful to defend against an assault where that assault likely will result in death or serious bodily injury. 

Nothing I just said makes sense to a liberal.


Sweeping generalizations made up of preconceived biases FTW
 
2013-05-26 06:40:49 PM

ChaosStar: Abox: ChaosStar: Especially when you didn't start said fight.

Sorry, I didn't realize the trial was over.

This trial was over when they went for a murder in the second degree charge. It won't happen.


Oh sorry, I thought you were privy to some new info.  We know armed Zim was stalking unarmed Martin, we know there was a fight that cost Zim some skin, and we know Zim shot Martin. And we have Zim's side of the story.  I really can't wait for this trial to be over so the derpulation can stop.
 
2013-05-26 06:40:58 PM

gimmegimme: So you're admitting that Zimmerman has a documented history of real violence. Awesome.


Both Martin and Zimmerman have documented use of violence. Zimmerman's was what, almost a decade prior, while Martin's was weeks before. Zimmerman had since then stayed away from trouble and had exemplary behavior, while Zimmerman was still pursuing criminal activity and talking about doing violent deeds over facebook and texts.
 
2013-05-26 06:41:34 PM
Where is the internet dentist?
 
2013-05-26 06:41:51 PM

Tatsuma: So when trying to establish whether he was assaulted or not, it's irrelevant to present information specifically about Martin's character when it comes to violence, crime and drug abuse? That's racist?


Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...
 
2013-05-26 06:43:01 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: So when trying to establish whether he was assaulted or not, it's irrelevant to present information specifically about Martin's character when it comes to violence, crime and drug abuse? That's racist?

Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...


Other than the fights on his phone and punching the bus driver?
 
2013-05-26 06:43:18 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: If he had consumed "purple drank" he would have had codeine in his system, which is not the case. Also, "drank" makes you lethargic, not aggressive (codeine is a sedative). "Drank" requires cough syrup, sprite (or vodka) and sometimes Jolly Ranchers. None of these items were purchased from Trayvon the night of his murder.


Actually that's false, he had both sprite (well, a variant, it was not iced tea, as reported) and he had skittles (doesn't just have to be Jolly Ranchers) and he has documented discussion about using codeine and drinking purple drank.

Doesn't mean he was high on the night, more likely he went to buy what he needed and was going back home to get high on some sizzurp.
 
2013-05-26 06:44:01 PM

gimmegimme: ChaosStar: What the defense is saying is that Martin wasn't the angel the media made him out to be, in fact he was the type likely to punch Zimmerman in the nose and beat his head on the sidewalk for a perceived slight to himself and this online rhetoric goes to prove that. There's your answer.

As to your second, no, Zimmerman wasn't playing police officer. He was being a concerned citizen who was reporting everything he was seeing to the police, and following the instructions from the dispatcher including not following Martin when he was told he didn't need to.

Why does Martin's online rhetoric matter, but Zimmerman's history of violence doesn't?  If Zimmerman ended the pursuit after being told "you don't have to do that," why wasn't he driving home?


Who's saying Zimmerman's history of violence doesn't matter? No one but the voices in your head apparently, cause I haven't seen it in this thread.
Why wasn't he driving home? Well because he wasn't at his truck then, remember he stopped pursuit, and because he was waiting for a call from the officers to tell them where to meet, since he didn't want to say his address aloud as he didn't know where Martin was?
 
2013-05-26 06:44:08 PM

seadoo2006: Abox: Imagine a road rage incident where you chase a guy down because what the hell you have a gun, you get into a fight, and you shoot the guy dead because you were losing the fight.  B-b-b-but I was standing my ground!

That's exactly the type of altercation that SYG was passed for



Chasing somebody down and shooting someone because you're on the losing end of a fight that would never had happened had you ACTUALLY stood your ground?  Ah, sure why not.
 
2013-05-26 06:44:13 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...


Well, except for the fights he himself talked about on social media sites, the fact that he assaulted a bus driver (adult in position of authority asking him what he was doing) and he was caught with burglary tools and stolen property in his locker.
 
2013-05-26 06:44:49 PM

IlGreven: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: gimmegimme: GF named my left testicle thundercles: If you have more loyalty to your race than you do to truth and justice then you are part of the problem.

Isn't it sick?  These people are gleeful over the death of a 17-year-old kid.

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 520x673]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 500x749]

i dont know the facts. but it is possible that he deserved it by attacking zimmerman. i dont know if that is the case. everyone should chill out. allow the facts to be presented in a reasonable manner in court. that is all i have to say.

Why excuse Zimmerman's actions?  If you are armed and you stalk someone around in a car and then on foot and follow the person between buildings when it's clear they are trying to get the hell away from you, well, you just started a fight.

Unless you're a cop, which Zimmerman, with his history of violence, is certainly not.

...even if you're a cop, that's the sort of shiat that would get you thrown off the force in a sane world (and even a few weeks paid leave in this insane one), unless you had ironclad absolute proof that he was an immediate threat to anyone else. Zimmerman doesn't even have proof that Martin started the final altercation that got him killed.


Really? Because around here, if you're walking your dog after 11pm, or if you look 'young' and are out after 11pm (curfew), you can expect to be stopped, identified, and questioned as to your reason for being out.  If you don't have a valid reason for breaking curfew, you get a trip home and a summons to juvie court.  I'm 25 and have been stopped several times by the unmarked Cleveland Heights beat cop Grand Marquis'.

I'd say in MOST communities, youths that are walking around at night are going to be assigned a suspicious label and questioned.  I would expect no less from my local police department.  But, see, our PD bans kids from our business districts after 6pm, so I appreciate their concern for the general hoodlums that tend to loiter around.

http://www.clevelandheights.com/index.aspx?page=1004

"In addition, no unsupervised persons under the age of 18 may be on public streets in the Coventry business district, the Cedar Lee business district and the Severance Town Center between the hours of 6:00 pm to 6:00 am."
 
2013-05-26 06:45:22 PM

seadoo2006: mexican bathtub cheese: No one needs police permission to follow someone.

A police dispatcher cannot order you not to follow someone.

Being followed is not a lawful justification for assaulting someone.

Reasonable force may be used to defend against an assault.

Deadly force is reasonable and lawful to defend against an assault where that assault likely will result in death or serious bodily injury. 

Nothing I just said makes sense to a liberal.

It makes perfect sense to me and I'm a liberal!


I meant liberal in the pejorative sense, not an actual liberal.
 
2013-05-26 06:45:46 PM

Giant Clown Shoe: AirForceVet: If some strange man came up to me when I was 17 in the middle of a Florida night and demanded why I was in my neighborhood, I'd have told him to fark off. If he touched me, I'd have kicked his ass too.

You would have been arrested also...


is what i meant
 
2013-05-26 06:45:47 PM

gimmegimme: tyrajam: gimmegimme:
Can you please present guidelines as to what kind of online rhetoric is justification for a person's cold-blooded murder?

I think it's somewhere in the guidelines that when you jump on someone and start bashing their head into the pavement, they'll probably try to shoot you if they can.

What you said makes no sense.  What possible motivation do people have for bringing Martin's online speech into a discussion of his death?


What I'm saying-and I'll type slowly so you can follow-is that all that matters is that Zimmerman was attacked and his head was being bashed into the cement. That is why the police initially decided not to arrest Zimmerman.
 
2013-05-26 06:46:41 PM

Abox: ChaosStar: Abox: ChaosStar: Especially when you didn't start said fight.

Sorry, I didn't realize the trial was over.

This trial was over when they went for a murder in the second degree charge. It won't happen.

Oh sorry, I thought you were privy to some new info.  We know armed Zim was stalking unarmed Martin, we know there was a fight that cost Zim some skin, and we know Zim shot Martin. And we have Zim's side of the story.  I really can't wait for this trial to be over so the derpulation can stop.


Really? You know he was stalking Martin? Please do cite a source for this because I can give you transcripts and audio that goes to the contrary. Seems like you're the one full of derpulation there chief.
 
2013-05-26 06:48:42 PM

AngryDragon: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.


Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Try an experiment. Get a nice, soft pad, maybe a pillow, and a friend.

Lay flat on your back, and have your friend straddle you at the waist. Then have him try to "slam" your head back into the soft padding. Remind him that he's not allowed to pull your hair, because Zimmerman's head was shaved.

Without a very great difference in strength, I doubt it's even possible to slam someone's head into the ground if he offers resistance. Especially not from the position described.

And what exactly was Trayvon holding onto?
 
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