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(CNBC)   For the first time in history, per-student spending at public schools has dropped. This is bad news for future generations   (cnbc.com ) divider line
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2013-05-26 11:26:02 AM  
That's OK. I'm sure the Chinese will make sure we have safe sweatshops to work in.
 
2013-05-26 11:48:51 AM  
Thanks, Teahadists. Thanks a lot, f*ckers.
 
2013-05-26 01:18:48 PM  
It's been shown over and over that spending absolutely does not correlate to grades or quality of education. Good teaching does, however.
 
2013-05-26 01:26:10 PM  

Speaker2Animals: Thanks, Teahadists. Thanks a lot, f*ckers.


So the headline implies spending per student has been perpetually increasing up until now, yet education results have never been worse. And your response is to blame the tea party?
 
2013-05-26 01:59:04 PM  

miked1883: Speaker2Animals: Thanks, Teahadists. Thanks a lot, f*ckers.

So the headline implies spending per student has been perpetually increasing up until now, yet education results have never been worse. And your response is to blame the tea party?


What? You want it to blame the Gubbermint for blowing our treasury funds on hookers and coke?

Maybe we should take a look at our entitlement culture. And quit wasting money supporting generations of wasted lives. Stop feeding the lazy, they will find jobs.
 
2013-05-26 02:12:05 PM  
I was wondering how quickly teachers would go from "heroes that protect our children during disasters" back to "EBIL money-grubbing socialists". Five days, apparently. Nice work, teabaggers.
 
2013-05-26 02:16:32 PM  

torch: It's been shown over and over that spending absolutely does not correlate to grades or quality of education. Good teaching does, however.


And you pay for good teachers with... ... unicorns and rainbows?
 
2013-05-26 02:18:14 PM  

Speaker2Animals: Thanks, Teahadists. Thanks a lot, f*ckers.


I'm sure the "Durrr Sunday School is the only school MY kid needs!" Teahadists absolutely love this news.
 
2013-05-26 02:39:55 PM  
Doesn't matter that home values fell off a cliff and property tax revenue dropped, school funding should perpetually increase.
 
2013-05-26 02:46:41 PM  
We're blaming the housing collapse on the Tea Party now? That's a new one.
 
2013-05-26 02:59:51 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Doesn't matter that home values fell off a cliff and property tax revenue dropped, school funding should perpetually increase.


What's stupid is tying school funding to local home values. Some obvious problems:

1. Housing prices falling cause schools to be under-funded
2. Rich people with more expensive houses get better funded schools
3. Poor people with less expensive houses get worse schools
4. Better schools cause more home demand, inflate home prices, causing more of #2
5. Worse schools cause less home demand, depressing home prices, causing more of #3
6. Home prices tend to be inversely related to population in an area (at least around where I live), so crowded districts get less funding

I mean, if you want to use property taxes to fund schools, fine, but the money should be divided up more evenly across the state (or country).
 
2013-05-26 03:47:07 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: torch: It's been shown over and over that spending absolutely does not correlate to grades or quality of education. Good teaching does, however.

And you pay for good teachers with... ... unicorns and rainbows?


We try really hard to not pay them with anything.

This'll make it even easier!
 
2013-05-26 04:01:06 PM  

torch: It's been shown over and over that spending absolutely does not correlate to grades or quality of education. Good teaching does, however.


This. The school system I was educated in has every high school in the top 2000 in the nation.

Meanwhile, NYC has like... 1 or 2.
 
2013-05-26 04:30:34 PM  

torch: It's been shown over and over that spending absolutely does not correlate to grades or quality of education. Good teaching does, however.


Citation, please?
 
2013-05-26 04:37:41 PM  
miked1883:

So the headline implies spending per student has been perpetually increasing up until now, yet education results have never been worse.


That.
 
2013-05-26 05:04:36 PM  
The United States spends the most per student yet our students rank toward the bottom of the industrialized nations?

Spending is not the problem.
 
2013-05-26 05:35:45 PM  

Slam1263: miked1883: Speaker2Animals: Thanks, Teahadists. Thanks a lot, f*ckers.

So the headline implies spending per student has been perpetually increasing up until now, yet education results have never been worse. And your response is to blame the tea party?

What? You want it to blame the Gubbermint for blowing our treasury funds on hookers and coke?

Maybe we should take a look at our entitlement culture. And quit wasting money supporting generations of wasted lives. Stop feeding the lazy, they will find jobs.


It's strange how the number of too lazy to work increases during economic slowdowns. Isn't it?
 
2013-05-26 06:13:21 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: What's stupid is tying school funding to local home values. Some obvious problems:


A lot of states have begun to address the tax distribution issues. Aside from that home values had been pretty steady source of tax revenue especially the racket the have in assessing home values. You're home increases in value your taxes go up, if your home decreases in value all of a sudden it takes years to reflect on your tax bill.

As for the other issues more affluent districts do get better funding but I've never seen any convincing study that demonstrates that it was the reason the schools in richer areas are "better" than in poorer areas. The main difference was the students came from families that valued education and didn't have all the social problems students in poorer districts had.
 
2013-05-26 06:14:11 PM  
Maybe, if we spend $50,000 per student, our kids will be able score higher on math tests than kids from the Congo or Burundi.
 
2013-05-26 08:03:23 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: torch: It's been shown over and over that spending absolutely does not correlate to grades or quality of education. Good teaching does, however.

And you pay for good teachers with... ... unicorns and rainbows?


Since teachers are unionized, you have to pay mediocre (and crappy) teachers more to give the minority of outstanding ones a raise. But setting that aside, how exactly does paying someone more make them better at their job?
 
2013-05-26 09:23:35 PM  

torch: Since teachers are unionized, you have to pay mediocre (and crappy) teachers more to give the minority of outstanding ones a raise. But setting that aside, how exactly does paying someone more make them better at their job?


LOL ok got it you're one of those "unions bad" people. Fine. I can tell you that if you offer less money than the other guy, you're going to get the idiots, and the other guy is going to get the better employees. Paying more to idiots doesn't make them better, but it attracts better talent than offering less.


DrewCurtisJr: As for the other issues more affluent districts do get better funding but I've never seen any convincing study that demonstrates that it was the reason the schools in richer areas are "better" than in poorer areas. The main difference was the students came from families that valued education and didn't have all the social problems students in poorer districts had.


As someone who "values education" but is priced out of all the neighborhoods with good schools, I'm skeptical. But I'd love to see someone study this problem. To me it's a pretty obvious cycle that feeds itself over lots of iterations:

Better schools make a neighborhood more desirable...
...which raises home prices...
...which allows only richer and richer people in...
...which increases funding to the schools...
...which allows the schools to hire better teachers
...which makes the schools better...
...which makes the neighborhood more desirable...
...which raises home prices... and on and on...
 
2013-05-26 09:43:58 PM  
One concern is that unionized pay for teachers is pretty wasteful with resources some folks seem to think are unlimited. It's a disincentive for teachers to do better, too. If pay were based on performance the public education system would be more efficient *and* better quality. But the union can't have that, apparently.
Unions arose out of critical need, but serious degeneration and mission creep has occurred, IMO.
 
2013-05-27 12:56:39 AM  
Maybe they could completely cut out silly things like football, with those teams that rape and pillage and get good grades for showing g up to a game one time a week to be feeder teams for college sports to be feeder teams for pro sports. My nephew just got done explaining to me how pro athletes get out of going to jail for wife beating and then get away with not seeing their probation officer.  I'm highly disturbed to see my taxes supporting that.  Also, Stephenville, Ohio. We could do without football.
 
2013-05-27 03:27:31 PM  

irreverend mother: Maybe they could completely cut out silly things like football, with those teams that rape and pillage and get good grades for showing g up to a game one time a week to be feeder teams for college sports to be feeder teams for pro sports. My nephew just got done explaining to me how pro athletes get out of going to jail for wife beating and then get away with not seeing their probation officer.  I'm highly disturbed to see my taxes supporting that.  Also, Stephenville, Ohio. We could do without football.


Man, your post gave me a rush of nostalgia from my football days. I miss the raping and pillaging the most. Well, pillaging was just ok. I only pillaged to pass the time when I couldn't find anybody to rape.
 
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