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2013-05-26 04:20:36 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Sharksfan: Milk is gross and I don't drink it.  Seriously...why on earthy would you want to drink another animals milk?

Yeah, why drink their milk. Our species makes milk. While we're at, let's stop eating their meat. Our species makes meat.


Im with ya man. Lets take women. Specifically feminists.
put them on a farm. And milk them. And sell it for profit.
we could make cheeses to.
 
2013-05-26 04:21:33 PM  

Mentalpatient87: awalkingecho: Alternatively we can get around to accepting the fact that we're the only species who utilizes the milk of a mammal that isn't our own and that it's not natural, and just stop drinking EITHER.

That works too.

We're the only species that does a lot of things. Should we stop using toothpaste and automobiles, too? It's so unnatural!


We are a product of the same evolutionary processes as every other species on this planet. These processes lead to the development of our minds, hand-eye coordination and relatively long-term life spans, which allows us all this time to acquire every skill we have, to learn everything that we know and be able to apply it in creative and insightful ways.

We're every bit a part of the natural world as all the wildlife on the planet.

Therefore, anything which we do, from create and use computers to designing and running cars, to paving roads to move those cars; to formulating toothpaste which preserves our teeth throughout our lives is just as completely natural as herds of buffalo migrating across the plains of North America before the arrival of Europeans.

Other forms of life can be just as destructive and competitive as mankind, if not more so.
 
2013-05-26 04:21:40 PM  
Somaticasual

Folks, you can chance raw milk if you really want to feel different or ultra-organic.
But really - there's a very good reason pasteurization was a breakthrough: people dying or getting ridiculously sick from illnesses caused by, wait for it - raw milk. The FDA didn't ban its sale to piss off the hippies - it banned it in the interest of public health.

Thank god we have armed govt thugs to make my decisions for me. Can't wait till they're my doctor.
 
2013-05-26 04:21:54 PM  

John Buck 41: You're anti-gun AND anti-raw milk? Wanna go for the trifecta?


Whatever it is, it sounds like a Hell of a trifecta.

Guns, raw milk, and........
           raw milk, aaaand.....
           raw milk, aaaaaaaaaaannnnd....

/smokin' the reefer
 
2013-05-26 04:23:47 PM  
rewind2846:

Before labeling something as "foolish", why not look into the history of why it exists?

Well, it exists because people back then weren't as smart as today.  Proof: They must not have been very smart if they were dying from easily preventable diseases that we don't have nowadays.

/it's not circular logic, it's Mobeius
 
2013-05-26 04:25:05 PM  

0z79: Mentalpatient87: awalkingecho: Alternatively we can get around to accepting the fact that we're the only species who utilizes the milk of a mammal that isn't our own and that it's not natural, and just stop drinking EITHER.

That works too.

We're the only species that does a lot of things. Should we stop using toothpaste and automobiles, too? It's so unnatural!

We are a product of the same evolutionary processes as every other species on this planet. These processes lead to the development of our minds, hand-eye coordination and relatively long-term life spans, which allows us all this time to acquire every skill we have, to learn everything that we know and be able to apply it in creative and insightful ways.

We're every bit a part of the natural world as all the wildlife on the planet.

Therefore, anything which we do, from create and use computers to designing and running cars, to paving roads to move those cars; to formulating toothpaste which preserves our teeth throughout our lives is just as completely natural as herds of buffalo migrating across the plains of North America before the arrival of Europeans.

Other forms of life can be just as destructive and competitive as mankind, if not more so.


While I appreciate your point, the likelihood of other species chemically engineering something in a lab that may be perniciously harmful and selling it to other members of the species for its benefits really isn't going to happen with, say, cows.  Or birds.  Or sharks.

While your point about all that which is not supernatural being natural is logically consistent, it's a bit too much word-playing to really have anything to do with the intent behind what people are saying when they use the word "natural."
 
2013-05-26 04:26:05 PM  

Carth: I had to have my wife translate for me (she's the french one) but we usually get our milk/cheese from Fromagerie Pascal Beillevaire. It was yellow capped and labeled Lait Cru so I'm assuming it is raw.

My mouth is watering now just thinking about the cheeses.


Congrats you got it straight from the producter and it is the only way and extremely rare. Lots of friends in Franche-Comte, the Alps, Normandy and Brittany, and you really can't find it in very many places.
 
2013-05-26 04:27:42 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-26 04:28:40 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: [i.qkme.me image 400x600]


Can't we get more current stereotypes?
 
2013-05-26 04:30:03 PM  

awalkingecho: underwhere: awalkingecho: Alternatively we can get around to accepting the fact that we're the only species who utilizes the milk of a mammal that isn't our own and that it's not natural, and just stop drinking EITHER.

That works too.

We're also the only species to drive cars and that's not natural so let's stop. Oh and forget the internet. No other animal has that so let's just shut it down.

I'm not sure either of those things require enzymes most of our bodies weren't equipped for. When was the last time you met someone who was intolerant of those natures?


Lactase (the enzyme that breaks down the sugar in milk) production declines steeply after weaning and again after mid-life.  So, most people end up intolerant of unfermented milk products.
 
2013-05-26 04:31:57 PM  
From what I read I understood that pasteurization is needed because of industrial handling and storage. The harmful bacteria doesn't come from the cows, but are in the pumps, pipes, vessels, etc. which got contaminated through water, air and people. Keeping them sterile is too complicated/expensive in a large scale operation, so the product itself gets the treatment.
Small farms on the other hand can produce raw milk which is safe. The problem is that mistakes happen there too.
 
2013-05-26 04:33:37 PM  
Carth:

Before labeling something as "foolish", why not look into the history of why it exists?

9 million people regularly drink raw milk in the US and 200 got sick. Those are pretty good odds and better than the numbers for medium rare beef.


Well then why not just walk up and take a bite out of the cow right after it's slaughtered? Maybe it's because we figured out that cooking not only improves the texture and makes it more digestible, but it kills most of the pathogens. What a concept!
I don't want to take "odds" with my health. There's enough sh*t out there in the world to kill you without your even trying. Why tempt Darwin just by having a bowl of cereal? Not worth it.

/people who eat bloody meat are morons
//they deserve their intestinal parasites
 
2013-05-26 04:33:50 PM  
Raw milk is generally safe IF handled properly and IF the conditions are sanitary. The issue is that factory farming makes the right conditions impossible.

I drink raw milk, but it comes from my animals. I'm not going to trust Joe Blow to wash his hands and keep his barn and equipment clean enough. I've seen people wash up, rub their nose and go right to work. Uhm, no. That's not sanitary.
 
2013-05-26 04:33:52 PM  
Jesus H. Christ on a crutch, how goddamn difficult is it to grasp this simple concept. Fine, I'll hold up pretty pictures:

Drinking this:
media.naplesnews.com
= eating this:
3.bp.blogspot.com
= treating bedbugs with this:
www.suppliesforsmallholders.co.uk
= treating the flu with this:
whatgrammyknew.files.wordpress.com
all of which = this:
img81.imageshack.us

or even this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

It's dangerous, antiquarian, outmoded, anti-intellectual thinking which will only serve to get people killed.

I know I know I know: "B-B-BUT it's my body! I can do whatever I want. Freedom! 'Mur'ca" etc. etc.

Well this isn't just about YEWWW, or "the children," okay, asshat?

As we all know, there are some genuinely honest, reasonably intelligent people out there...who will swallow and believe anything they hear with the label "natural" or "breakthrough"...and they're not necessarily stupid...but they ARE very very stubborn about what they will and will not believe. And you CAN'T TELL THEM ANYTHING because you call them 'Mom' or 'Dad' or 'Auntie' or 'Uncle' or 'Grandma' or 'Gramps.'

People that you care about will die....

because YOU can't let go of a patently stupid, obsolete, barbaric practice up there with bloodletting and leeches.

So farking give it up already, and let the world go kicking and screaming beyond the nineteenth goddamn century.
 
2013-05-26 04:34:07 PM  

Somaticasual: Folks, you can chance raw milk if you really want to feel different or ultra-organic.
But really - there's a very good reason pasteurization was a breakthrough: people dying or getting ridiculously sick from illnesses caused by, wait for it - raw milk.  The FDA didn't ban its sale to piss off the hippies - it banned it in the interest of public health.


What you don't understand is the advances that have been made in the areas of herd health and almost instant detection of pathogens in raw milk.  In Pasteur's day, humans didn't understand the links between bovine and human tuberculosis, for example.  Bovine tuberculosis has been virtually eradicated in dairy herds.  In Pasteur's day, milking was done in open buckets which allowed for contamination from a variety of sources.  In modern day milking parlors, the milk is drawn directly from the cow into a closed system.

If you don't want to drink raw milk, don't.  But don't try to use information and practices from 100 years ago to ridicule those who do.
 
2013-05-26 04:34:15 PM  

BitwiseShift: Milk is homogenized and pasteurized to keep you safe.

If you ever fought your siblings for dibs on the delicious creamy top of the bottle of milk back in the day you'll remember that mom took the bottle before there was bloodshed.


Pasteurized, yes, but homogenization isn't a food safety thing. I think it's just how most people expect milk to be these days. You can buy non-homogenized milk at Trader Joe's.
 
2013-05-26 04:37:01 PM  
I would just like to point out that raw milk can be rendered perfectly safe by the simple expedient of adding ample quantities of Kahlua and Vodka.  Out of an abundance of caution I also treat all my store bought milk this way, just incase some evil dairy farmer slipped raw milk passed the inspectors.
 
2013-05-26 04:37:49 PM  

Carth: 9 million people regularly drink raw milk in the US and 200 got sick. Those are pretty good odds and better than the numbers for medium rare beef.


I have doubts that three percent of the US population regularly drinks raw milk.

Me?  The only milk I drink is straight from the breasts of Cambodian immigrants.
 
2013-05-26 04:44:40 PM  
Grew up on it....and when we had extra we made cheese....bought from a local farmer after our cow was gone....never had a problem.
 
2013-05-26 04:45:58 PM  

instantwin: From what I read I understood that pasteurization is needed because of industrial handling and storage. The harmful bacteria doesn't come from the cows, but are in the pumps, pipes, vessels, etc. which got contaminated through water, air and people. Keeping them sterile is too complicated/expensive in a large scale operation, so the product itself gets the treatment.
Small farms on the other hand can produce raw milk which is safe. The problem is that mistakes happen there too.



I'm pretty close to absolutely certain that the part I've bolded is wrong. The use of clean-in-place (CIP) technology and systems is mandated in the U.S., dairy processing equipment is designed and built to sanitary standards and is inspected several times during manufacture and installation, including borescoping of all the piping to make sure the insides are smooth. There's a huge regulatory apparatus in place to make sure everything's cleaned adequately after installation.

But I'm just quibbling here, what I said doesn't necessarily take anything away from your original point. I'm guessing that a.) it still stands, and b.) the real reason is that milk from many farms is combined in tank trucks and silos before processing and packaging.

/Electrical controls engineer employed by Food & Dairy OEMs for most of my career
//I've commissioned an HTST milk pasteurizer and a bunch of CIP systems in my day
 
2013-05-26 04:53:34 PM  

awalkingecho: Alternatively we can get around to accepting the fact that we're the only species who utilizes the milk of a mammal that isn't our own and that it's not natural, and just stop drinking EITHER.

That works too.


Good lord that's such a retarded farking argument. We're also the only species that builds complex mechanical devices, uses computers, and has air conditioning. Should we stop with that, too?

/Take your head out of your ass
 
2013-05-26 04:53:34 PM  

awalkingecho: Alternatively we can get around to accepting the fact that we're the only species who utilizes the milk of a mammal that isn't our own and that it's not natural, and just stop drinking EITHER.

That works too.


We're also the only species that stuffs cheese into hot dogs. You gonna suggest we stop doing that, because them's fightin' words.
 
2013-05-26 04:53:35 PM  
SirMadness:
So farking give it up already, and let the world go kicking and screaming beyond the nineteenth goddamn century.

From what I've been reading here many of these folks don't really give a rat's ass about the "nutritional value", but about their irrational distrust of the "guvmint".

From the link: "In an email to Food Safety News, Bartlett said that what surprised him the most about the results of the survey of raw-milk drinkers was that such a small percentage of them trusted public health officials regarding what food is safe to eat."

Hey morans... THAT'S THEIR JOB.

They believe that the FDA and CDC, non-political organizations, say that pasteurization and warnings about diseases and parasites such as Brucella, Campylobacter, Listeria, Mycobacterium bovis, Salmonella, Shiga toxin-producing E. coli, Shigella, Streptococcus pyogenes, and Yersinia enterocolitica are "propaganda".

Playing craps with your health because you thing this "pasteurization" thing is an evil guvmint conspiracy? Maybe we should let these people drink all the raw milk they want. Feed it to their kids too. That would clean the gene pool up PDQ.
 
2013-05-26 04:57:39 PM  

HK-MP5-SD: I would just like to point out that raw milk can be rendered perfectly safe by the simple expedient of adding ample quantities of Kahlua and Vodka.  Out of an abundance of caution I also treat all my store bought milk this way, just incase some evil dairy farmer slipped raw milk passed the inspectors.


What if you find Kahlua and/or milk to be disgusting?

/in fact, forget the theme park
 
2013-05-26 04:57:55 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Carth: 9 million people regularly drink raw milk in the US and 200 got sick. Those are pretty good odds and better than the numbers for medium rare beef.

I have doubts that three percent of the US population regularly drinks raw milk.

Me?  The only milk I drink is straight from the breasts of Cambodian immigrants.


The CDC estimates raw milk drinkers at 1% of the population. Nevertheless, a majority of the sickness from tainted dairy comes from raw milk. Cite
 
2013-05-26 05:00:27 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Carth: 9 million people regularly drink raw milk in the US and 200 got sick. Those are pretty good odds and better than the numbers for medium rare beef.

I have doubts that three percent of the US population regularly drinks raw milk.

Me?  The only milk I drink is straight from the breasts of Cambodian immigrants.


3% of Americans drank raw milk in the past 7 day according to  the CDC (PDF warning)

It is also worth noting that for the US there were 1,414 illnesses, 80 hospitalizations, and 0 deaths attributed to raw milk between 1998 and 2010. Pizza was responsible for 1,614 illnesses, 20 hospitalizations, and 3 deaths during the same time frame.
 
2013-05-26 05:06:39 PM  

Xcott: John Buck 41: You're anti-gun AND anti-raw milk? Wanna go for the trifecta?

Whatever it is, it sounds like a Hell of a trifecta.

Guns, raw milk, and........
           raw milk, aaaand.....
           raw milk, aaaaaaaaaaannnnd....

/smokin' the reefer


Well, I'm not a stoner. Or did you mean you were? That, and/or if you're anti-booze we might have something going.
 
2013-05-26 05:08:29 PM  

Carth: Imagine a scenario where the head of household gets drunk and dies, smokes cigarettes an dies, eats a raw hamburger and dies, eats undercooked poultry and dies, eats too much fast food and dies...


Everything you brought up is regulated and/or discouraged by the government in some way.  Kids aren't allowed to drink or smoke and are discouraged from fast food.  Drinking and smoking are banned in many public areas.  Public intoxication and driving while intoxicated are illegal  Most of the meat I purchase from the store include hygiene warnings and recommendations on safe cooking.  Fast food restaurants are increasingly banned from using trans fats and are increasingly required to post caloric information.

Try again.


pedrop357: I guess he can forget about that hiking trip he had planned, and no more sky diving. He's the head of a household and the government is authorized to curtail his freedom so that he continues to provide for his family.


Now we have a legitimate argument showing the slippery slope to nanny statedom and a real life version of I, Robot.  And you're right, the government could come in and place limits on hiking in the name of safety.  They can always take it farther and farther.

But IMHO, I would guess that the driving motivator of curtailed access to hiking would come less from a desire to save peoples' lives because of little Billy not growing up without a father and would more likely come from a desire to stop getting sued.  For some reason, people think that just because the government plots a trail through the wilderness that the government suddenly needs it to confirm to ADA safety regulations.  Because when somebody hurts themselves from a wash-out, falling ice/rocks or aggressive animals, Uncle Sam should have posted signs every 10' warning them.
 
2013-05-26 05:10:07 PM  

SirMadness: Jesus H. Christ on a crutch, how goddamn difficult is it to grasp this simple concept. Fine, I'll hold up pretty pictures:

Drinking this:
[media.naplesnews.com image 607x405]
= eating this:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 800x597]
= treating bedbugs with this:
[www.suppliesforsmallholders.co.uk image 300x300]
= treating the flu with this:
[whatgrammyknew.files.wordpress.com image 310x178]
all of which = this:
[img81.imageshack.us image 500x75]

or even this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

It's dangerous, antiquarian, outmoded, anti-intellectual thinking which will only serve to get people killed.

I know I know I know: "B-B-BUT it's my body! I can do whatever I want. Freedom! 'Mur'ca" etc. etc.

Well this isn't just about YEWWW, or "the children," okay, asshat?

As we all know, there are some genuinely honest, reasonably intelligent people out there...who will swallow and believe anything they hear with the label "natural" or "breakthrough"...and they're not necessarily stupid...but they ARE very very stubborn about what they will and will not believe. And you CAN'T TELL THEM ANYTHING because you call them 'Mom' or 'Dad' or 'Auntie' or 'Uncle' or 'Grandma' or 'Gramps.'

People that you care about will die....

because YOU can't let go of a patently stupid, obsolete, barbaric practice up there with bloodletting and leeches.

So farking give it up already, and let the world go kicking and screaming beyond the nineteenth goddamn century.


You're a special kind of stupid aren't you?
Ignore all the research and science showing raw milk contains more nutrients and vitamins than pasteurized.
Ignore the fact that few people out of the many that drink raw milk get sick.
Ignore that the government is telling you what you can and can't ingest for your dietary pleasure and survival.

No, it's just bad because they did it a really really long time ago.
Rawr! old stuff bad!!!!
moran
 
2013-05-26 05:10:29 PM  
In the UK you can sell raw milk (sometimes "green top" milk) with a warning, but supermarkets can't sell it, only direct sales to consumers from either the farmer or via direct delivery (which is dying off as the supermarkets have aggressively priced milk for years to shut down both the morning direct delivery firms and also to undermine corner shops as much as possible). The farms that sell it have to conform to more stringent safety standards, and are inspected more often.

Note however that double blind taste tests of raw milk rarely put it any better than pasteurized organic milk, although above generic homogenized non-organic, so probably most of the taste "benefit" is from 1) being non-homogenized and 2) the same effect as putting tap water into mineral water bottles makes people think it tastes better.
 
2013-05-26 05:12:56 PM  

Carth: Satanic_Hamster: Carth: 9 million people regularly drink raw milk in the US and 200 got sick. Those are pretty good odds and better than the numbers for medium rare beef.

I have doubts that three percent of the US population regularly drinks raw milk.

Me?  The only milk I drink is straight from the breasts of Cambodian immigrants.

3% of Americans drank raw milk in the past 7 day according to  the CDC (PDF warning)

It is also worth noting that for the US there were 1,414 illnesses, 80 hospitalizations, and 0 deaths attributed to raw milk between 1998 and 2010. Pizza was responsible for 1,614 illnesses, 20 hospitalizations, and 3 deaths during the same time frame.


I wager than more than 3% of the population eats pizza.
 
2013-05-26 05:14:35 PM  

ImpendingCynic: John Buck 41: Don't like raw milk? Don't drink it. Couldn't be easier.

If it would only be about people poisoning themselves, I wouldn't really care. But what's to stop an unscrupulous milk producer from mixing in a little raw milk to save the pasteurization costs? Or someone who sells a dairy-based item from a roadside stand forgetting to mention that they used raw milk.

Unless we can trust everyone in the product chain - and let's be honest, we know we can't - you have to stop it at the suppliers to keep things safe.


There's worse things in your food than raw milk, and most of them are perfectly legal.

/owns agribiz stock
//eats organic
 
2013-05-26 05:16:48 PM  

John Buck 41: Xcott: John Buck 41: You're anti-gun AND anti-raw milk? Wanna go for the trifecta?

Whatever it is, it sounds like a Hell of a trifecta.

Guns, raw milk, and........
           raw milk, aaaand.....
           raw milk, aaaaaaaaaaannnnd....

/smokin' the reefer

Well, I'm not a stoner. Or did you mean you were? That, and/or if you're anti-booze we might have something going.


If you can't get a Super Troopers reference, I have nothing more to say to you.
 
2013-05-26 05:18:22 PM  

Carth: If you've never had raw milk before you're missing out. The stuff tastes delicious and will make normal store bought milk seem undrinkable after  a few weeks.


When I was in grade school we took a field trip and got to milk samples straight from the cow. I'm guessin' that doesn't happen anymore.
Nobody got sick and the feel of cow teat stayed with some of us forever.
 
2013-05-26 05:18:52 PM  
ChaosStar:
Ignore that the government is telling you what you can and can't ingest for your dietary pleasure and survival.

I rather like that the government has systems in place to control what may and may not be sold for human consumption.

Or would you prefer a nice tall glass of water and Xanthan Gum and corn syrup with a little bit of actual milk added for flavor?
 
2013-05-26 05:21:01 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Scrotastic Method: Sharksfan: Milk is gross and I don't drink it.  Seriously...why on earthy would you want to drink another animals milk?

Yeah, why drink their milk. Our species makes milk. While we're at, let's stop eating their meat. Our species makes meat.

Im with ya man. Lets take women. Specifically feminists.
put them on a farm. And milk them. And sell it for profit.
we could make cheeses to.


PD already did that. It was simultaneously less and more sexy than it sounds.
 
2013-05-26 05:25:04 PM  

Mister Peejay: HK-MP5-SD: I would just like to point out that raw milk can be rendered perfectly safe by the simple expedient of adding ample quantities of Kahlua and Vodka.  Out of an abundance of caution I also treat all my store bought milk this way, just incase some evil dairy farmer slipped raw milk passed the inspectors.

What if you find Kahlua and/or milk to be disgusting?

/in fact, forget the theme park


Well, I am pretty sure if you leave out the Kahlua and milk, and just drink the vodka you will be fairly safe from the pathogens often found in raw milk.  If you want to be safe you should continue to drink it until your Blood Alcohol Content or "BAC" reaches the point where bacteria cannot survive in your bloodstream.  Once again, out of an abundance of caution, I also try to do this once a week, generally Friday or Saturday night. You can't be too careful about this raw milk shiat.  It will sneak up on you and kill you if let your guard down.
 
2013-05-26 05:27:28 PM  

toraque: Sim Tree: I severly headshake at the raw milk bufoonery; given that, I still beleive that the guy deserves a fair trial. I don't sit well with the idea that a judge can ban him from raising any sort of defense.

I think for a crime of this magnitude, a severe headshake alone won't do it.  You'll need at least a finger waggle and a harrumph.


Or you could take California's route, and set bail at $1,000,000.

You know, the state that has to let murderers out because of overcrowding...

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/man-jailed-with-1-million-bail-for- he inous-crime-of-selling-milk/
 
2013-05-26 05:30:22 PM  
HK-MP5-SD:
Well, I am pretty sure if you leave out the Kahlua and milk, and just drink the vodka you will be fairly safe from the pathogens often found in raw milk.  If you want to be safe you should continue to drink it until your Blood Alcohol Content or "BAC" reaches the point where bacteria cannot survive in your bloodstream.  Once again, out of an abundance of caution, I also try to do this once a week, generally Friday or Saturday night. You can't be too careful about this raw milk shiat.  It will sneak up on you and kill you if let your guard down.

Just to be safe, whenever I see raw milk, I make sure to avoid direct eye contact or turning my back to it, and I try to keep myself at a higher vantage point than it.
 
2013-05-26 05:37:36 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: [www.marlerblog.com image 678x472]


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-26 05:37:52 PM  

Mister Peejay: ChaosStar:
Ignore that the government is telling you what you can and can't ingest for your dietary pleasure and survival.

I rather like that the government has systems in place to control what may and may not be sold for human consumption.

Or would you prefer a nice tall glass of water and Xanthan Gum and corn syrup with a little bit of actual milk added for flavor?


You mean Yoo-Hoo?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoo-hoo
 
2013-05-26 05:43:17 PM  
(can't say it - court order)

I don't get it.
 
2013-05-26 05:52:37 PM  
Why I avoid raw milk like the plague... pun not intended

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24954041/ns/health-infectious_diseases/t/t ai nted-cheese-fuels-tb-rise-california/#.UaKDjZzEwuc

Old story, but if your milk isn't pasteurized, Deity-Of-Choice only knows what you'll catch from it.
 
2013-05-26 05:56:21 PM  

FueledByEthanol: Why I avoid raw milk like the plague... pun not intended

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24954041/ns/health-infectious_diseases/t/t ai nted-cheese-fuels-tb-rise-california/#.UaKDjZzEwuc

Old story, but if your milk isn't pasteurized, Deity-Of-Choice only knows what you'll catch from it.


Did you even read the story?
That's from products " smuggled across the Mexican border or produced by families who try to make a living selling so-called "bathtub cheese" made in home tubs and backyard troughs. " I doubt very seriously it was the lack of pasteurization in the milk that made them sick.
 
2013-05-26 05:58:10 PM  

Xcott: John Buck 41: Xcott: John Buck 41: You're anti-gun AND anti-raw milk? Wanna go for the trifecta?

Whatever it is, it sounds like a Hell of a trifecta.

Guns, raw milk, and........
           raw milk, aaaand.....
           raw milk, aaaaaaaaaaannnnd....

/smokin' the reefer

Well, I'm not a stoner. Or did you mean you were? That, and/or if you're anti-booze we might have something going.

If you can't get a Super Troopers reference, I have nothing more to say to you.


Ok. Other than the ABBA song, I have no idea what that refers to.

Cheers and bye.
 
2013-05-26 06:18:09 PM  

Dinjiin: Carth: Imagine a scenario where the head of household gets drunk and dies, smokes cigarettes an dies, eats a raw hamburger and dies, eats undercooked poultry and dies, eats too much fast food and dies...

Everything you brought up is regulated and/or discouraged by the government in some way.  Kids aren't allowed to drink or smoke and are discouraged from fast food.  Drinking and smoking are banned in many public areas.  Public intoxication and driving while intoxicated are illegal  Most of the meat I purchase from the store include hygiene warnings and recommendations on safe cooking.  Fast food restaurants are increasingly banned from using trans fats and are increasingly required to post caloric information.

Try again.


That is exactly my point. Every one of those things is regulated but legal. Raw milk is flat out banned in many states while much riskier habits/foods are allowed for the adult population.
 
2013-05-26 06:21:53 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Carth: If you've never had raw milk before you're missing out. The stuff tastes delicious and will make normal store bought milk seem undrinkable after  a few wee

..... the feel of cow teat stayed with some of us forever.


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2013-05-26 06:22:50 PM  

underwhere: awalkingecho: Alternatively we can get around to accepting the fact that we're the only species who utilizes the milk of a mammal that isn't our own and that it's not natural, and just stop drinking EITHER.

That works too.

We're also the only species to drive cars and that's not natural so let's stop. Oh and forget the internet. No other animal has that so let's just shut it down.


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If you say so.
 
2013-05-26 06:23:25 PM  
Somaticasual
The FDA didn't ban its sale to piss off the hippies - it banned it in the interest of public health.

Which is why it shouldn't be sold in grocery stores. It's good for a week, but ONLY a week.


AppleOptionEsc
When it comes to food, "If I've never gotten sick off of it, it's 100% awesome and good and stop taking away muh freedoms". Or at least that's the response I get from my fellow Wisconsinites.

Have you considered stopping trying to take their freedoms?


Captain Dan
Who gives a shiat what people "believe"?

Why would them being wrong and you being correct give you the right to decide what they aren't allowed to put in their own bodies?


Dinjiin
Imagine a scenario where a head-of-household consumes raw milk, gets sick and then dies. Add to that scenario a wife, several young children and little-to-no medical or life insurance. So the wife is left with unpaid medical bills and an insufficient amount of income. Guess who now qualifies for food stamps and welfare that the rest of Wisconsin gets to pay for?

We'd better ban everything that could potentially be dangerous, then.


rewind2846
if everyone drank that sh*t.

No one's saying that. The issue is if anyone should be banned from drinking it.


Mock26
I say lift the ban on raw milk sales and let people take their lives into their own hands, Just make people sign a consent form and let them have at it.

The act of drinking it is the consent waiver.


SirMadness
As we all know, there are some genuinely honest, reasonably intelligent people out there...who will swallow and believe anything they hear with the label "natural" or "breakthrough"...and they're not necessarily stupid...but they ARE very very stubborn about what they will and will not believe.

That's an even WORSE argument than the "for your safety" argument. We have to ban some people from using something... because OTHER people might get confused? Okay, so it's not about ME being stupid, it's about THEM being stupid? If you explain the truth to people and they STILL disagree, it's still their right to be stupid.


rewind2846
Hey morans... THAT'S THEIR JOB.

The FDA has a right to its opinion and its findings should be taken under advisement.
People should still have the right to disregard that opinion.
 
2013-05-26 06:25:10 PM  

awalkingecho: Alternatively we can get around to accepting the fact that we're the only species who utilizes the milk of a mammal that isn't our own and that it's not natural, and just stop drinking EITHER.

That works too.


http://www.takepart.com/photos/six-strange-interspecies-animal-adopt io ns

And a a slide show just to annoy you more.

Interspecies nursing. It's more common than you think!
 
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