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(DFW Star-Telegram)   If you're going to pass yourself off as a high-ranking military official, you probably shouldn't try to offer the Fort Worth Police Chief a White House tour. Scary tag for just how close this guy got to certain installations   (star-telegram.com) divider line 89
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2013-05-26 09:39:00 AM
Halstead, who had worked with high-ranking military officers while with the Phoenix Police Department, said he believed that something was amiss.

McDowell's uniform seemed ill-fitting. He smelled heavily of cigarettes. A challenge coin  that McDowell presented to prove his military membership came in a case that looked old and worn.


While this Chief turned out to be correct, the stuff that he claims tipped him off seems kinda iffy. Lots of military guys smoke, the uniform not fitting perfectly? Not sure on that one, and the challenge coin case just seems like a 'so what' kind of thing.
 
2013-05-26 09:50:46 AM
McDowell, 57, has never been in the military. Neither had his father - actually an Irving evangelist who died in 1985 while leading a revival in California.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/05/25/4884594/fort-worth-police-say - colonel.html#storylink=cpy
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
 
2013-05-26 10:51:57 AM
"His father was actually an evangelist who had died in 1985."

And there you go. Why is it, the most mentally disturbed people are always the offspring of religious leaders?
 
2013-05-26 11:13:31 AM

Godscrack: "His father was actually an evangelist who had died in 1985."

And there you go. Why is it, the most mentally disturbed people are always the offspring of religious leaders?


Mentally disturbed?  No.  Well-trained and innately talented liars.

Why, indeed.
 
2013-05-26 01:05:19 PM
media.star-telegram.com

He has a goatee, which isn't authorized.  He's also wearing infantry branch lapel insignia (the crossed rifles), with a Special Forces tab (the blue and gold tab sewn to his shoulder).  Special Forces officers wear crossed arrows.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think generals stop wearing branch insignia entirely.

media.star-telegram.com

His unit awards (the larger ribbons above his nametag) should be on a bar to keep them neat and orderly, and you're only authorized three in a row.  The fourth should be on another row on top.  He also has a ton of Good Conduct Medal ribbons (the red ribbon with the white vertical stripes on the ends, with a bronze bar across it).  The GCM is only awarded to enlisted soldiers, and not officers.

He also has a Combat Infantryman Badge with two stars, designated it has been awarded three times (the original badge, and the first and second star signify three awards), which means he had to have fought in three separate wars, and the Army will only give it to you once for fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  I don't think there's a single soldier on active duty with a CIB with two stars.  He also only has two campaign medals, which basically means he's only been in two combat zones.  The Kosovo Campaign Medal (the assymetric red & blue ribbon), and ones for the first Gulf War (the ones in the bottom right corner).  He also does not have either an Iraq Campaign Medal or an Afghanistan Campaign Medal.  Very odd for an active-duty infantry or Special Forces officer.
 
2013-05-26 02:20:54 PM

Sgt Otter: [media.star-telegram.com image 362x600]

He has a goatee, which isn't authorized.  He's also wearing infantry branch lapel insignia (the crossed rifles), with a Special Forces tab (the blue and gold tab sewn to his shoulder).  Special Forces officers wear crossed arrows.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think generals stop wearing branch insignia entirely.

[media.star-telegram.com image 600x448]

His unit awards (the larger ribbons above his nametag) should be on a bar to keep them neat and orderly, and you're only authorized three in a row.  The fourth should be on another row on top.  He also has a ton of Good Conduct Medal ribbons (the red ribbon with the white vertical stripes on the ends, with a bronze bar across it).  The GCM is only awarded to enlisted soldiers, and not officers.

He also has a Combat Infantryman Badge with two stars, designated it has been awarded three times (the original badge, and the first and second star signify three awards), which means he had to have fought in three separate wars, and the Army will only give it to you once for fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  I don't think there's a single soldier on active duty with a CIB with two stars.  He also only has two campaign medals, which basically means he's only been in two combat zones.  The Kosovo Campaign Medal (the assymetric red & blue ribbon), and ones for the first Gulf War (the ones in the bottom right corner).  He also does not have either an Iraq Campaign Medal or an Afghanistan Campaign Medal.  Very odd for an active-duty infantry or Special Forces officer.


I half expected there to be a tin sheriff's badge on there somewhere
 
2013-05-26 02:22:31 PM
I just hope he didn't return a salute from a higher-ranking officer.  That's a felony.
 
2013-05-26 02:22:55 PM
The first clue should have been the White House tour. Everybody knows that Obama, the illuminati, Freemasons and the sequester stopped the tours of the White House.

/ the lizard and mole people were busy planting fake birth certificates

// I keed, I keed
 
2013-05-26 02:25:57 PM
I'm just here for the movie references.


/and the White House party-crashers
 
2013-05-26 02:36:08 PM
Who cares. No victim. No Crime
 
2013-05-26 02:36:25 PM

gimmegimme: I just hope he didn't return a salute from a higher-ranking officer.  That's a felony.


Is it really? I know very little about military stuffs. So not sure if you're joking or not.
 
2013-05-26 02:36:55 PM
I go to the Pentagon on official business all the time, in the correct uniform, and with proper credentials and still get the TSA watch list treatment.  There's no way this asshat could have just wandered in without being sniffed out.  As for the White House, fahgeddaboutit.
 
2013-05-26 02:38:33 PM

Lady Indica: gimmegimme: I just hope he didn't return a salute from a higher-ranking officer.  That's a felony.

Is it really? I know very little about military stuffs. So not sure if you're joking or not.


I made a joke based upon a thread from earlier today and another from yesterday.  The gentleman who made that claim has no proof to support his assertion, but that's what he was told, so it must be true.
 
2013-05-26 02:39:15 PM
And they just passed the stolen valor act...

Douchebag is going to get smoked.
 
2013-05-26 02:41:54 PM
"Scary tag for just how close this guy got to certain installations "

I never thought of "none" as particularly alarming
 
2013-05-26 02:42:09 PM

Sgt Otter: I'm not 100% sure, but I think generals stop wearing branch insignia entirely.


That is the case with Navy shoulder boards and command pins.
 
2013-05-26 02:46:15 PM

gimmegimme: Lady Indica: gimmegimme: I just hope he didn't return a salute from a higher-ranking officer.  That's a felony.

Is it really? I know very little about military stuffs. So not sure if you're joking or not.

I made a joke based upon a thread from earlier today and another from yesterday.  The gentleman who made that claim has no proof to support his assertion, but that's what he was told, so it must be true.


Well played (and thanks!)
 
2013-05-26 02:51:07 PM

gimmegimme: Lady Indica: gimmegimme: I just hope he didn't return a salute from a higher-ranking officer.  That's a felony.

Is it really? I know very little about military stuffs. So not sure if you're joking or not.

I made a joke based upon a thread from earlier today and another from yesterday.  The gentleman who made that claim has no proof to support his assertion, but that's what he was told, so it must be true.


I'm going to say no. Besides, a higher ranking officer wouldn't initiate the salute for him to return. So the logic of it just isn't there.
 
2013-05-26 02:51:19 PM

Sgt Otter: [media.star-telegram.com image 362x600]

He has a goatee, which isn't authorized.  He's also wearing infantry branch lapel insignia (the crossed rifles), with a Special Forces tab (the blue and gold tab sewn to his shoulder).  Special Forces officers wear crossed arrows.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think generals stop wearing branch insignia entirely.

[media.star-telegram.com image 600x448]

His unit awards (the larger ribbons above his nametag) should be on a bar to keep them neat and orderly, and you're only authorized three in a row.  The fourth should be on another row on top.  He also has a ton of Good Conduct Medal ribbons (the red ribbon with the white vertical stripes on the ends, with a bronze bar across it).  The GCM is only awarded to enlisted soldiers, and not officers.

He also has a Combat Infantryman Badge with two stars, designated it has been awarded three times (the original badge, and the first and second star signify three awards), which means he had to have fought in three separate wars, and the Army will only give it to you once for fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  I don't think there's a single soldier on active duty with a CIB with two stars.  He also only has two campaign medals, which basically means he's only been in two combat zones.  The Kosovo Campaign Medal (the assymetric red & blue ribbon), and ones for the first Gulf War (the ones in the bottom right corner).  He also does not have either an Iraq Campaign Medal or an Afghanistan Campaign Medal.  Very odd for an active-duty infantry or Special Forces officer.


Hmm.  When it comes to pointing up the holes in his persona, I was more influenced by the fact that HE NEVER SERVED.
 
2013-05-26 02:56:52 PM
So put him in the military instead of jail. Win win situation.
 
2013-05-26 03:00:20 PM
Oh well, he can always open his own burger joint

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2013-05-26 03:01:56 PM
All that's missing is the Alderaanian Medal of Freedom, and he's all set!
 
2013-05-26 03:06:41 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Sgt Otter: [media.star-telegram.com image 362x600]

He has a goatee, which isn't authorized.  He's also wearing infantry branch lapel insignia (the crossed rifles), with a Special Forces tab (the blue and gold tab sewn to his shoulder).  Special Forces officers wear crossed arrows.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think generals stop wearing branch insignia entirely.

[media.star-telegram.com image 600x448]

He also does not have either an Iraq Campaign Medal or an Afghanistan Campaign Medal.  Very odd for an active-duty infantry or Special Forces officer.

Hmm.  When it comes to pointing up the holes in his persona, I was more influenced by the fact that HE NEVER SERVED.


But it looks to me as though (sunglasses back on, hands on hips),  he's just *been* served....

YEEAAAAH.......
 
2013-05-26 03:07:35 PM

HighlanderRPI: Oh well, he can always open his own burger joint

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Fake military titles? Fast food? Shouldn't the joke be:
lexingtonhistory.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-26 03:11:49 PM

Sgt Otter: He also has a ton of Good Conduct Medal ribbons (the red ribbon with the white vertical stripes on the ends, with a bronze bar across it). The GCM is only awarded to enlisted soldiers, and not officers.


If he had earned it while enlisted, and was then commissioned, would he still wear it? (just curious, don't know the rules there)

Benevolent Misanthrope: He also only has two campaign medals, which basically means he's only been in two combat zones. The Kosovo Campaign Medal (the assymetric red & blue ribbon), and ones for the first Gulf War (the ones in the bottom right corner). He also does not have either an Iraq Campaign Medal or an Afghanistan Campaign Medal. Very odd for an active-duty infantry or Special Forces officer.


Does the campaign medal specifically mean serving in the combat zone? I thought there were occasions where they would issue a campaign medal to all personnel who were on active duty at some point during a conflict, regardless of where they served.

I also notice what looks like a Purple Heart ribbon with a star, which means multiple injury incidents. C'mon guy, don't get greedy. That ribbon means something to me. My great-grandfather was awarded Purple Hearts in both world wars, and died stateside from his injuries.
 
2013-05-26 03:12:49 PM

Mad Canadian: All that's missing is the Alderaanian Medal of Freedom, and he's all set!


Well that, and maybe a badge from an 'epic' FARK thread
 
2013-05-26 03:13:46 PM
How do you know the DIA wasn't feeding this guy stuff, just to show how necessary the DIA is?
 
2013-05-26 03:14:09 PM

SoupJohnB: Mad Canadian: All that's missing is the Alderaanian Medal of Freedom, and he's all set!

Well that, and maybe a badge from an 'epic' FARK thread


I think I saw him in the Wil Wheaton clown sweater thread...
 
2013-05-26 03:22:44 PM

gimmegimme: return a salute from a higher-ranking officer


I don't think it works that way.
 
2013-05-26 03:22:55 PM

Sgt Otter: [media.star-telegram.com image 362x600]

He has a goatee, which isn't authorized.  He's also wearing infantry branch lapel insignia (the crossed rifles), with a Special Forces tab (the blue and gold tab sewn to his shoulder).  Special Forces officers wear crossed arrows.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think generals stop wearing branch insignia entirely.

[media.star-telegram.com image 600x448]

His unit awards (the larger ribbons above his nametag) should be on a bar to keep them neat and orderly, and you're only authorized three in a row.  The fourth should be on another row on top.  He also has a ton of Good Conduct Medal ribbons (the red ribbon with the white vertical stripes on the ends, with a bronze bar across it).  The GCM is only awarded to enlisted soldiers, and not officers.

He also has a Combat Infantryman Badge with two stars, designated it has been awarded three times (the original badge, and the first and second star signify three awards), which means he had to have fought in three separate wars, and the Army will only give it to you once for fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  I don't think there's a single soldier on active duty with a CIB with two stars.  He also only has two campaign medals, which basically means he's only been in two combat zones.  The Kosovo Campaign Medal (the assymetric red & blue ribbon), and ones for the first Gulf War (the ones in the bottom right corner).  He also does not have either an Iraq Campaign Medal or an Afghanistan Campaign Medal.  Very odd for an active-duty infantry or Special Forces officer.



If one goes overboard on the number & type of medals, I think they should go all the way...( make it epic)

www.nndb.com
 
2013-05-26 03:31:34 PM

KidneyStone: "Scary tag for just how close this guy got to certain installations "

I never thought of "none" as particularly alarming


You know how I know you didn't read the whole article?

"Investigators have uncovered evidence that McDowell acquired special access for at least one Fort Worth police association board member to tour the Washington Navy Yard when it was closed to the public."

If some nobody can get after-hours access to the home of the Chief of Naval Operations, then our security is not really up to scratch.
 
2013-05-26 03:33:32 PM
What the hell kind of action could these commies have seen?  These are the most absurd looking uniforms I've ever seen.

londonkoreanlinks.net
 
2013-05-26 03:33:53 PM

Jacob_Roberson: HighlanderRPI: Oh well, he can always open his own burger joint

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 305x165]

Fake military titles? Fast food? Shouldn't the joke be:
[lexingtonhistory.files.wordpress.com image 600x842]


 Title isn't fake - dates back to 1812 and is semi-military. The real Sanders was also a pretty good and hardworking guy.
 
2013-05-26 03:35:40 PM

Stinkyy: What the hell kind of action could these commies have seen?  These are the most absurd looking uniforms I've ever seen.

[londonkoreanlinks.net image 624x351]


Holy shiat that's HILARIOUS
 
2013-05-26 03:41:56 PM

Stinkyy: What the hell kind of action could these commies have seen?  These are the most absurd looking uniforms I've ever seen.

[londonkoreanlinks.net image 624x351]


Every time they threaten America (and let's face it, that's pretty often) they get a medal for defending the glorious republic. Military juntas are really quite delusional about how important they are.
 
2013-05-26 03:43:02 PM

Stinkyy: What the hell kind of action could these commies have seen?  These are the most absurd looking uniforms I've ever seen.


londonkoreanlinks.net

i0.kym-cdn.com

Still, not far off for some of these countries that haven't had any actual combat operations in decades.
 
2013-05-26 03:49:44 PM

Stinkyy: What the hell kind of action could these commies have seen?  These are the most absurd looking uniforms I've ever seen.

[londonkoreanlinks.net image 624x351]


Well, it's north korea. So, maybe the body armor is a little scarce...
 
2013-05-26 03:50:57 PM
CSB: no lies honest. This guy is my next door neighbor.

His girlfriend tried to commit suicide the other day. Got drunk and turned the car on in the garage. Had 5 police cars blocking my drive way with an ambulance. My guess is she learned his story from the FBI agents that came around the neighborhood asking about him and wearing his uniform.

He came up to me one day telling me he just got back from Afghanistan and that he was in a car accident and had been in rehab because Taliban had hit his car from behind and forced him into a cement divider.

I always wondered why an army general would live in my neighborhood.

He came over to my house one evening at 9 PM in his under wear asking if I was telling people he was a General.

I was like well Mike I only told them what you told me you were and I see you wearing your uniform and fatigues who am I to say you are not what you said you were.
 
2013-05-26 03:57:26 PM

HighlanderRPI: Oh well, he can always open his own burger joint

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No, he would have to be Col. Mustard.
 
2013-05-26 04:00:49 PM

doyner: I go to the Pentagon on official business all the time, in the correct uniform, and with proper credentials and still get the TSA watch list treatment.  There's no way this asshat could have just wandered in without being sniffed out.  As for the White House, fahgeddaboutit.


Well you may have noticed in the article that he coordinated the trip to the White House, but stopped short of actually going in himself, probably because he would have gotten called out by a real military person.

/What a nutcase.
 
2013-05-26 04:01:03 PM
FLYNavy - is that you?
 
2013-05-26 04:03:37 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: FLYNavy - is that you?


Don;t jump to conclusions.  It might be his wife.
 
2013-05-26 04:06:32 PM

Stinkyy: What the hell kind of action could these commies have seen?  These are the most absurd looking uniforms I've ever seen.

[londonkoreanlinks.net image 624x351]


They're FARK thread badges.
 
2013-05-26 04:12:24 PM
As a Corporal Captain in the US Army I'm outraged by this poser
 
2013-05-26 04:14:11 PM

Lady Indica: gimmegimme: Lady Indica: gimmegimme: I just hope he didn't return a salute from a higher-ranking officer.  That's a felony.

Is it really? I know very little about military stuffs. So not sure if you're joking or not.

I made a joke based upon a thread from earlier today and another from yesterday.  The gentleman who made that claim has no proof to support his assertion, but that's what he was told, so it must be true.

Well played (and thanks!)


He's misrepresenting it. It's illegal for a civilian or contractor with access to return salutes (which by definition is from lower-ranking people). I worked for the Navy and that's the warning they gave us before we'd deploy to a ship or base. I don't have a link, so he calls me a liar for it.

I've also said many times that people are welcome to disbelieve me because I'm just some guy on Fark, as far as they know.
 
2013-05-26 04:20:26 PM
If he did anything illegal while posing as a member of the military then he should be punished for that, but if he was just posting as a member of the military then who cares?  This whole "stolen glory" crap is just that, crap.
 
2013-05-26 04:21:03 PM

Stinkyy: What the hell kind of action could these commies have seen?  These are the most absurd looking uniforms I've ever seen.


At least it provides a legit reason for airport security to ask them to remove their pants.
 
2013-05-26 04:22:10 PM

borg: As a Corporal Captain in the US Army I'm outraged by this poser


What you did there, I see it.  Often before anybody else.
 
2013-05-26 04:27:55 PM

borg: As a Corporal Captain in the US Army I'm outraged by this poser


Just waiting on that promotion to Lance Captain?
 
2013-05-26 04:31:37 PM

Radak: Stinkyy: What the hell kind of action could these commies have seen?  These are the most absurd looking uniforms I've ever seen.

At least it provides a legit reason for airport security to ask them to remove their pants.


Actually, it does not.  Here is the original, unshopped photo:


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-26 04:35:56 PM

Mock26: Actually, it does not.  Here is the original, unshopped photo:


You're just no fun.
 
2013-05-26 04:37:34 PM
The medals on the right side are for killing the enemy, on the left side for killing your own troops. What's friendly fire without some recognition?


londonkoreanlinks.net
 
2013-05-26 04:43:37 PM

ImpendingCynic: Sgt Otter: He also has a ton of Good Conduct Medal ribbons (the red ribbon with the white vertical stripes on the ends, with a bronze bar across it). The GCM is only awarded to enlisted soldiers, and not officers.

If he had earned it while enlisted, and was then commissioned, would he still wear it? (just curious, don't know the rules there)


Yes, if he had been prior enlisted, he would still wear the Good Conduct Medal.  You automatically earn them for not screwing up too badly every three years.  Your first three years gets you the ribbon itself.  The next one has a bronze "clasp" worn on top of the ribbon, with every knot on the clasp signifying an additional award.

It's hard for me to tell, but it looks like there's at least two or three knots, signifying that he went over to the officer side of the house after at least nine or twelve years, then starting back up the career path as a 2nd Lieutenant all the way to Brigadier General, which normally takes at least 20 years.  Most guys other than 4-stars and the Sergeant Major of the Army hit mandatory retirement at 30 years of service.

/Just noticed he should have a star on his National Defense medal for two wars, for serving during both the Gulf War and Iraq/Afghanistan.
 
2013-05-26 04:48:22 PM

Stinkyy: What the hell kind of action could these commies have seen?  These are the most absurd looking uniforms I've ever seen.

[londonkoreanlinks.net image 624x351]


As long as they don't have medals on their backs. That would look silly
 
2013-05-26 04:49:58 PM
He persuaded Texas Department of Public Safety employees to issue him valid driver's licenses without his picture or fingerprints because of his work as an "intelligence officer."

 "do it out of low self-esteem,"

'This guy was a fake'

The Defense Intelligence Agency told officer Thompson that McDowell was not an employee, and other federal agencies confirmed that McDowell hadn't been in the military at all.

Inside his briefcase, he carried files labeled "Top Secret." He sometimes handcuffed the case to his wrist while in public.

He'd also worked as a car salesman,


Anybody else get reminded of TRUE LIES as they read TFA?
 
2013-05-26 05:04:42 PM

borg: As a Corporal Captain in the US Army I'm outraged by this poser


I saw what you did there, so did Gary Burghoff.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-26 05:13:27 PM

Sgt Otter: His unit awards (the larger ribbons above his nametag) should be on a bar to keep them neat and orderly, and you're only authorized three in a row. The fourth should be on another row on top. He also has a ton of Good Conduct Medal ribbons (the red ribbon with the white vertical stripes on the ends, with a bronze bar across it). The GCM is only awarded to enlisted soldiers, and not officers.

He also has a Combat Infantryman Badge with two stars, designated it has been awarded three times (the original badge, and the first and second star signify three awards), which means he had to have fought in three separate wars, and the Army will only give it to you once for fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't think there's a single soldier on active duty with a CIB with two stars. He also only has two campaign medals, which basically means he's only been in two combat zones. The Kosovo Campaign Medal (the assymetric red & blue ribbon), and ones for the first Gulf War (the ones in the bottom right corner). He also does not have either an Iraq Campaign Medal or an Afghanistan Campaign Medal. Very odd for an active-duty infantry or Special Forces officer.


The Good Conduct Medal could be because he was a mustang, enlisted first, and then became an officer, but, you are right about everything.

Also, the 2nd medal on the top row, Multinational Force and Observer, should be on the bottom row, not next to the Distinguished Service Cross. The Distinguished Service Medal, his 3rd, should be number 2, the 4th..., No idea, maybe a foreign award, or other service, but no way should it be that high in the cluster.  The next 2, Bronze Star and Purple Heart are right, but then another mystery medal.  I stopped looking after that, and then noticed his top row is different in the two pictures.
 
2013-05-26 05:19:42 PM

puckrock2000: KidneyStone: "Scary tag for just how close this guy got to certain installations "

I never thought of "none" as particularly alarming

You know how I know you didn't read the whole article?

"Investigators have uncovered evidence that McDowell acquired special access for at least one Fort Worth police association board member to tour the Washington Navy Yard when it was closed to the public."

If some nobody can get after-hours access to the home of the Chief of Naval Operations, then our security is not really up to scratch.


Know how I can tell you don't comprehend what you read?  Look at your own quote from the article.  It doesn't say anything about Dickhead McFakemedals going anywhere near the joint.
 
2013-05-26 05:23:00 PM
Got nothin' on this guy

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-26 05:38:23 PM

Stinkyy: What the hell kind of action could these commies have seen?  These are the most absurd looking uniforms I've ever seen.

[londonkoreanlinks.net image 624x351]


That has to be a 'shop.  HAS to be.
 
2013-05-26 05:40:43 PM

HighlanderRPI: Got nothin' on this guy

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If I'm right, that's a Russian uniform and they include Party and Civilian badges - not just military decorations.  Hell, if I put every union pin, Party pin, memento of a work award, and sports award I ever got on a jacket, I'd look pretty damn silly, too.
 
2013-05-26 06:00:44 PM

Sgt Otter: He has a goatee, which isn't authorized.  He's also wearing infantry branch lapel insignia (the crossed rifles), with a Special Forces tab (the blue and gold tab sewn to his shoulder).  Special Forces officers wear crossed arrows.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think generals stop wearing branch insignia entirely.



His unit awards (the larger ribbons above his nametag) should be on a bar to keep them neat and orderly, and you're only authorized three in a row.  The fourth should be on another row on top.  He also has a ton of Good Conduct Medal ribbons (the red ribbon with the white vertical stripes on the ends, with a bronze bar across it).  The GCM is only awarded to enlisted soldiers, and not officers.

He also has a Combat Infantryman Badge with two stars, designated it has been awarded three times (the original badge, and the first and second star signify three awards), which means he had to have fought in three separate wars, and the Army will only give it to you once for fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  I don't think there's a single soldier on active duty with a CIB with two stars.  He also only has two campaign medals, which basically means he's only been in two combat zones.  The Kosovo Campaign Medal (the assymetric red & blue ribbon), and ones for the first Gulf War (the ones in the bottom right corner).  He also does not have either an Iraq Campaign Medal or an Afghanistan Campaign Medal.  Very odd for an active-duty infantry or Special Forces officer.


Also, there's Waldo.
 
2013-05-26 06:03:11 PM

HighlanderRPI: borg: As a Corporal Captain in the US Army I'm outraged by this poser

Just waiting on that promotion to Lance Captain?


I think he's aiming for the much more prestigious Admiral Major.
 
2013-05-26 06:10:46 PM
Big deal. They still haven't caught John Kerry, who faked all his medals, then threw them away.

/derp
 
2013-05-26 06:28:01 PM

nekulor: HighlanderRPI: borg: As a Corporal Captain in the US Army I'm outraged by this poser

Just waiting on that promotion to Lance Captain?

I think he's aiming for the much more prestigious Admiral Major.


Haha, that's what you think, poser - there are no Admiral Majors in the Marine Core.
 
2013-05-26 07:09:05 PM

Jacob_Roberson: HighlanderRPI: Oh well, he can always open his own burger joint

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 305x165]

Fake military titles? Fast food? Shouldn't the joke be:
[lexingtonhistory.files.wordpress.com image 600x842]


Pfft, a mere colonel? If he would've been from Nebraska he could have been an admiral in their great navy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Admiral
 
2013-05-26 07:22:14 PM

Christian Bale: Big deal. They still haven't caught John Kerry, who faked all his medals, then threw them away.

/derp


He isn't even fit to hold Obama's umbrella.
 
2013-05-26 07:36:54 PM

Sgt Otter: [media.star-telegram.com image 362x600]

He has a goatee, which isn't authorized.  He's also wearing infantry branch lapel insignia (the crossed rifles), with a Special Forces tab (the blue and gold tab sewn to his shoulder).  Special Forces officers wear crossed arrows.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think generals stop wearing branch insignia entirely.

[media.star-telegram.com image 600x448]

His unit awards (the larger ribbons above his nametag) should be on a bar to keep them neat and orderly, and you're only authorized three in a row.  The fourth should be on another row on top.  He also has a ton of Good Conduct Medal ribbons (the red ribbon with the white vertical stripes on the ends, with a bronze bar across it).  The GCM is only awarded to enlisted soldiers, and not officers.

He also has a Combat Infantryman Badge with two stars, designated it has been awarded three times (the original badge, and the first and second star signify three awards), which means he had to have fought in three separate wars, and the Army will only give it to you once for fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  I don't think there's a single soldier on active duty with a CIB with two stars.  He also only has two campaign medals, which basically means he's only been in two combat zones.  The Kosovo Campaign Medal (the assymetric red & blue ribbon), and ones for the first Gulf War (the ones in the bottom right corner).  He also does not have either an Iraq Campaign Medal or an Afghanistan Campaign Medal.  Very odd for an active-duty infantry or Special Forces officer.


Amongst all the stuff you pointed out, he has only a single AAM and a single ARCOMM which is odd considering that at least when I was in they gave those things away to junior officers like candy for performance during field exercises and such, you'd think a one star general would have a few more of them.

Funny how these asshats always go overboard with that shiat. He's got what looks like a Ranger Scroll on his left shoulder saying he's in a Ranger unit, Pathfinder wings, HALO wings, Jumpmaster wings, but I can't tell from those pics if they're supposed to be combat jump wings or not.
 
2013-05-26 07:43:03 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Sgt Otter: [media.star-telegram.com image 362x600]

He has a goatee, which isn't authorized.  He's also wearing infantry branch lapel insignia (the crossed rifles), with a Special Forces tab (the blue and gold tab sewn to his shoulder).  Special Forces officers wear crossed arrows.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think generals stop wearing branch insignia entirely.

[media.star-telegram.com image 600x448]

His unit awards (the larger ribbons above his nametag) should be on a bar to keep them neat and orderly, and you're only authorized three in a row.  The fourth should be on another row on top.  He also has a ton of Good Conduct Medal ribbons (the red ribbon with the white vertical stripes on the ends, with a bronze bar across it).  The GCM is only awarded to enlisted soldiers, and not officers.

He also has a Combat Infantryman Badge with two stars, designated it has been awarded three times (the original badge, and the first and second star signify three awards), which means he had to have fought in three separate wars, and the Army will only give it to you once for fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  I don't think there's a single soldier on active duty with a CIB with two stars.  He also only has two campaign medals, which basically means he's only been in two combat zones.  The Kosovo Campaign Medal (the assymetric red & blue ribbon), and ones for the first Gulf War (the ones in the bottom right corner).  He also does not have either an Iraq Campaign Medal or an Afghanistan Campaign Medal.  Very odd for an active-duty infantry or Special Forces officer.

Amongst all the stuff you pointed out, he has only a single AAM and a single ARCOMM which is odd considering that at least when I was in they gave those things away to junior officers like candy for performance during field exercises and such, you'd think a one star general would have a few more of them.

Funny how these asshats always go overboard with that shiat. He's got what looks like a Ranger Scroll on hi ...


Eh, I take that back, the tab under the Special Forces tab on his shoulder doesn't quite look like a ranger scroll, but I'm not sure what it is. Maybe just the airborne tab. Still my point stands, dudes got way too much that doesn't jive on the uniform.
 
2013-05-26 08:04:51 PM

Sgt Otter: [media.star-telegram.com image 362x600]

He has a goatee, which isn't authorized.  He's also wearing infantry branch lapel insignia (the crossed rifles), with a Special Forces tab (the blue and gold tab sewn to his shoulder).  Special Forces officers wear crossed arrows.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think generals stop wearing branch insignia entirely.

[media.star-telegram.com image 600x448]

His unit awards (the larger ribbons above his nametag) should be on a bar to keep them neat and orderly, and you're only authorized three in a row.  The fourth should be on another row on top.  He also has a ton of Good Conduct Medal ribbons (the red ribbon with the white vertical stripes on the ends, with a bronze bar across it).  The GCM is only awarded to enlisted soldiers, and not officers.

He also has a Combat Infantryman Badge with two stars, designated it has been awarded three times (the original badge, and the first and second star signify three awards), which means he had to have fought in three separate wars, and the Army will only give it to you once for fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  I don't think there's a single soldier on active duty with a CIB with two stars.  He also only has two campaign medals, which basically means he's only been in two combat zones.  The Kosovo Campaign Medal (the assymetric red & blue ribbon), and ones for the first Gulf War (the ones in the bottom right corner).  He also does not have either an Iraq Campaign Medal or an Afghanistan Campaign Medal.  Very odd for an active-duty infantry or Special Forces officer.


He's also got his unit awards out of order of precedence, unless I'm mistaken (valorous takes precedence over meritorious), and it's been a while, but...is that a multinational observer ribbon upper left? Again, been a while (and my ribbons and medals are buried in a box somewhere in the garage), but don't international awards fall at the bottom of the precedence order? Or has 670-1 changed since I was in?
 
2013-05-26 08:09:54 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Dingleberry Dickwad: Sgt Otter: [media.star-telegram.com image 362x600]

He has a goatee, which isn't authorized.  He's also wearing infantry branch lapel insignia (the crossed rifles), with a Special Forces tab (the blue and gold tab sewn to his shoulder).  Special Forces officers wear crossed arrows.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think generals stop wearing branch insignia entirely.

[media.star-telegram.com image 600x448]

His unit awards (the larger ribbons above his nametag) should be on a bar to keep them neat and orderly, and you're only authorized three in a row.  The fourth should be on another row on top.  He also has a ton of Good Conduct Medal ribbons (the red ribbon with the white vertical stripes on the ends, with a bronze bar across it).  The GCM is only awarded to enlisted soldiers, and not officers.

He also has a Combat Infantryman Badge with two stars, designated it has been awarded three times (the original badge, and the first and second star signify three awards), which means he had to have fought in three separate wars, and the Army will only give it to you once for fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  I don't think there's a single soldier on active duty with a CIB with two stars.  He also only has two campaign medals, which basically means he's only been in two combat zones.  The Kosovo Campaign Medal (the assymetric red & blue ribbon), and ones for the first Gulf War (the ones in the bottom right corner).  He also does not have either an Iraq Campaign Medal or an Afghanistan Campaign Medal.  Very odd for an active-duty infantry or Special Forces officer.

Amongst all the stuff you pointed out, he has only a single AAM and a single ARCOMM which is odd considering that at least when I was in they gave those things away to junior officers like candy for performance during field exercises and such, you'd think a one star general would have a few more of them.

Funny how these asshats always go overboard with that shiat. He's got what looks like ...


Hell I was a junior NCO and have ARCOMs for just doing my damn job... I know a naval seaman who was awarded an ARCOM for stopping to render assistance at Ft. Sam Houston years ago--he was detached to our Army unit at the time, and so he got an ARCOM because Ft. Sam doesn't get to give out the naval equivalent.
 
2013-05-26 08:32:26 PM

Aigoo: He's also got his unit awards out of order of precedence, unless I'm mistaken (valorous takes precedence over meritorious), and it's been a while, but...is that a multinational observer ribbon upper left? Again, been a while (and my ribbons and medals are buried in a box somewhere in the garage), but don't international awards fall at the bottom of the precedence order? Or has 670-1 changed since I was in?


Nope, you're right. I just went to rackbuilder and tried to put in what I remember as the ribbons I had and I added the the multinational ribbon and it goes below even the gay pride ribbon(Army Service Ribbon). Also just noticed that despite the years it would have taken to become a General, he doesn't have a single Overseas Service Ribbon, which is about damned near impossible too.
 
2013-05-26 10:07:23 PM
strangeluck: <snip> and the challenge coin case just seems like a 'so what' kind of thing.

You don't actually carry a challenge coin in a case; you carry your highest ranking one 'just in case' but it's in a convenient pocket loose to be dropped during said challenge... I think what you're seeing here is an example of being observant, it is not always possible to put your perceptions to words
 
2013-05-26 10:52:43 PM

modestmanfrommandrake: strangeluck: <snip> and the challenge coin case just seems like a 'so what' kind of thing.

You don't actually carry a challenge coin in a case; you carry your highest ranking one 'just in case' but it's in a convenient pocket loose to be dropped during said challenge... I think what you're seeing here is an example of being observant, it is not always possible to put your perceptions to words


There are two types of people: people who think challenge coins are modestly nifty things and people who also collect beanie babies.
 
2013-05-26 11:15:48 PM

vygramul: Lady Indica: gimmegimme: Lady Indica: gimmegimme: I just hope he didn't return a salute from a higher-ranking officer.  That's a felony.

Is it really? I know very little about military stuffs. So not sure if you're joking or not.

I made a joke based upon a thread from earlier today and another from yesterday.  The gentleman who made that claim has no proof to support his assertion, but that's what he was told, so it must be true.

Well played (and thanks!)

He's misrepresenting it. It's illegal for a civilian or contractor with access to return salutes (which by definition is from lower-ranking people). I worked for the Navy and that's the warning they gave us before we'd deploy to a ship or base. I don't have a link, so he calls me a liar for it.

I've also said many times that people are welcome to disbelieve me because I'm just some guy on Fark, as far as they know.


Who's misrepresenting? I was in that thread and  gimmegimme never once called you a liar. Which I guess now makes you a liar.
 
2013-05-26 11:30:49 PM

404 page not found: vygramul: Lady Indica: gimmegimme: Lady Indica: gimmegimme: I just hope he didn't return a salute from a higher-ranking officer.  That's a felony.

Is it really? I know very little about military stuffs. So not sure if you're joking or not.

I made a joke based upon a thread from earlier today and another from yesterday.  The gentleman who made that claim has no proof to support his assertion, but that's what he was told, so it must be true.

Well played (and thanks!)

He's misrepresenting it. It's illegal for a civilian or contractor with access to return salutes (which by definition is from lower-ranking people). I worked for the Navy and that's the warning they gave us before we'd deploy to a ship or base. I don't have a link, so he calls me a liar for it.

I've also said many times that people are welcome to disbelieve me because I'm just some guy on Fark, as far as they know.

Who's misrepresenting? I was in that thread and  gimmegimme never once called you a liar. Which I guess now makes you a liar.


Hmmm... I guess you could accuse me of improperly extrapolating his saying the truth doesn't matter to me and therefore what I say shouldn't be believed. I guess that isn't calling someone a liar in your book.
 
2013-05-26 11:38:19 PM

vygramul: 404 page not found: vygramul: Lady Indica: gimmegimme: Lady Indica: gimmegimme: I just hope he didn't return a salute from a higher-ranking officer.  That's a felony.

Is it really? I know very little about military stuffs. So not sure if you're joking or not.

I made a joke based upon a thread from earlier today and another from yesterday.  The gentleman who made that claim has no proof to support his assertion, but that's what he was told, so it must be true.

Well played (and thanks!)

He's misrepresenting it. It's illegal for a civilian or contractor with access to return salutes (which by definition is from lower-ranking people). I worked for the Navy and that's the warning they gave us before we'd deploy to a ship or base. I don't have a link, so he calls me a liar for it.

I've also said many times that people are welcome to disbelieve me because I'm just some guy on Fark, as far as they know.

Who's misrepresenting? I was in that thread and  gimmegimme never once called you a liar. Which I guess now makes you a liar.

Hmmm... I guess you could accuse me of improperly extrapolating his saying the truth doesn't matter to me and therefore what I say shouldn't be believed. I guess that isn't calling someone a liar in your book.


Look bud, a lot of us have sea stories. But like I said, I was in that thread. He was saying that you shouldn't be believed because you claim something to be a felony and you cannot back that claim up with something substantial, like, you know, A LAW THAT EXPLICITLY STATES IT IS A FELONY.
 
2013-05-26 11:50:27 PM

404 page not found: Look bud, a lot of us have sea stories. But like I said, I was in that thread. He was saying that you shouldn't be believed because you claim something to be a felony and you cannot back that claim up with something substantial, like, you know, A LAW THAT EXPLICITLY STATES IT IS A FELONY.


He said the truth doesn't matter to me and therefore what I say shouldn't be believed.

That's calling me a liar.

I have done nothing but admit that I don't have a source or citation, but for some reason, this only makes you guys even more energetic in making all kinds of assessments about my character.

And laws are frequently left with some room for interpretation. The relevant statute is impersonating an officer. Article 134 gives guidance what constitutes impersonating an officer, but does not present the explicit circumstances that qualify. It doesn't even state that wearing a uniform of an officer constitutes impersonating an officer. This is an interpretation of law, and yes, it's probably written down somewhere, but that doesn't mean it's trivial to Google it.
 
2013-05-27 12:35:02 AM

vygramul: 404 page not found: Look bud, a lot of us have sea stories. But like I said, I was in that thread. He was saying that you shouldn't be believed because you claim something to be a felony and you cannot back that claim up with something substantial, like, you know, A LAW THAT EXPLICITLY STATES IT IS A FELONY.

He said the truth doesn't matter to me and therefore what I say shouldn't be believed.

That's calling me a liar.

I have done nothing but admit that I don't have a source or citation, but for some reason, this only makes you guys even more energetic in making all kinds of assessments about my character.

And laws are frequently left with some room for interpretation. The relevant statute is impersonating an officer. Article 134 gives guidance what constitutes impersonating an officer, but does not present the explicit circumstances that qualify. It doesn't even state that wearing a uniform of an officer constitutes impersonating an officer. This is an interpretation of law, and yes, it's probably written down somewhere, but that doesn't mean it's trivial to Google it.


Article 134 Impersonating a commissioned, warrant, noncommissioned, or petty officer, or an agent or official , is an article of the UCMJ, which by and large civilians aren't subject to. Except for after 2007, military contractors deployed to a combat zone are now subject to the UCMJ. Otherwise though civilians, contractors or otherwise aren't subject to the UCMJ. You can find various regs for Army , Navy/Marines, although I couldn't find an actual regulation regarding salutes for the Air Force, but you aren't going to find a law that affects your average civilian returning a salute.
 
2013-05-27 12:48:43 AM

Dingleberry Dickwad: vygramul: 404 page not found: Look bud, a lot of us have sea stories. But like I said, I was in that thread. He was saying that you shouldn't be believed because you claim something to be a felony and you cannot back that claim up with something substantial, like, you know, A LAW THAT EXPLICITLY STATES IT IS A FELONY.

He said the truth doesn't matter to me and therefore what I say shouldn't be believed.

That's calling me a liar.

I have done nothing but admit that I don't have a source or citation, but for some reason, this only makes you guys even more energetic in making all kinds of assessments about my character.

And laws are frequently left with some room for interpretation. The relevant statute is impersonating an officer. Article 134 gives guidance what constitutes impersonating an officer, but does not present the explicit circumstances that qualify. It doesn't even state that wearing a uniform of an officer constitutes impersonating an officer. This is an interpretation of law, and yes, it's probably written down somewhere, but that doesn't mean it's trivial to Google it.

Article 134 Impersonating a commissioned, warrant, noncommissioned, or petty officer, or an agent or official , is an article of the UCMJ, which by and large civilians aren't subject to. Except for after 2007, military contractors deployed to a combat zone are now subject to the UCMJ. Otherwise though civilians, contractors or otherwise aren't subject to the UCMJ. You can find various regs for Army , Navy/Marines, although I couldn't find an actual regulation regarding salutes for the Air Force, but you aren't going to find a law that affects your average civilian returning a salute.


I worked for the Navy for almost 10 years, and before every deployment, even in CONUS, they warned us not to return salutes. They said it fell under the rubric of impersonating an officer and was taken quite seriously. For some reason, relaying that experience is cause for great consternation and outrage.
 
2013-05-27 01:45:39 AM
fishrockcarving:

Also, the 2nd medal on the top row, Multinational Force and Observer, should be on the bottom row, not next to the Distinguished Service Cross. The Distinguished Service Medal, his 3rd, should be number 2, the 4th..., No idea, maybe a foreign award, or other service, but no way should it be that high in the cluster.  The next 2, Bronze Star and Purple Heart are right, but then another mystery medal.  I stopped looking after that, and then noticed his top row is different in the two pictures.

I'm pretty sure the 4th one is a Soldier's Medal, but it's hard to tell with the haze and glare.  It's right around the precedence of a Bronze Star, IIRC.
 
2013-05-27 07:20:06 AM

vygramul: I have done nothing but admit that I don't have a source or citation, but for some reason, this only makes you guys even more energetic in making all kinds of assessments about my character.


You state that something is illegal, then quote military regs.   If you had simply stated that it was "against military regulations" I doubt anyone would have taken issue with your claim.  Nit-picking, I know, but this is Fark.  If you post anything, expect it to be dissected and examined from every angle with rebuttals to follow.  There is always someone out there with more expertise, experience or knowledge on a specific topic.

/don't take it personal
//don't make it personal
 
2013-05-27 08:17:47 AM

Voice of Chaos: vygramul: I have done nothing but admit that I don't have a source or citation, but for some reason, this only makes you guys even more energetic in making all kinds of assessments about my character.

You state that something is illegal, then quote military regs.   If you had simply stated that it was "against military regulations" I doubt anyone would have taken issue with your claim.  Nit-picking, I know, but this is Fark.  If you post anything, expect it to be dissected and examined from every angle with rebuttals to follow.  There is always someone out there with more expertise, experience or knowledge on a specific topic.

/don't take it personal
//don't make it personal


Lol - I said multiple times that I can't take it personally if someone doesn't want to believe some guy they don't know posting something they find hard to believe on Fark. I think that only made them madder.
 
2013-05-27 09:15:41 AM
So you were "chumming"?

Fantastic!
 
2013-05-27 09:35:52 AM

Voice of Chaos: So you were "chumming"?

Fantastic!


No, I merely relayed my experience from when I worked for the Navy. I really don't see why there's such a fuss about it. It was an interesting factoid I initially mentioned in an Obama salute thread. I barely expected people to say, "huh, that's interesting" and move on.

Why is being reasonable "chumming"? Am I supposed to be a dick about it?
 
2013-05-27 10:32:18 AM
No need to be a dick at all, Shipmate.  I was attempting humor, after offering my opinion on why the sharks were "following the boat".  Instead, I should have just offered my opinion on Mr. McDowell's situation and left it at that.  Here goes:

The loon in question has a lot more to worry about than whether he saluted someone, somewhere, in violation of whatever the established laws and regulations are.  He impersonated a senior military officer for quite some time.  There IS a law against that.  He will have his day in court, and be judged by a jury of his peers.  Pretty much end of story, with the exception that someone will be looking into every person and every place he came into contact with, to ensure nothing related to national security (etc...) was compromised.

I proudly served 21 years in the world's finest navy.   I don't particularly care to have people prancing around in uniforms and medals they didn't earn.
 
2013-05-27 10:44:46 AM

Voice of Chaos: I proudly served 21 years in the world's finest navy.


And the finest navy it is. A little less fine since the Soviet Union collapsed, but fine nonetheless.

I don't particularly care to have people prancing around in uniforms and medals they didn't earn.

I totally agree. Few things can make an adult more of a pussy... except maybe abusing children.
 
2013-05-27 01:58:19 PM

HighlanderRPI: Got nothin' on this guy

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x286]


If you're as old as the country's military itself, you deserve that kind of bling.
 
2013-05-27 07:07:08 PM

Sgt Otter: I'm pretty sure the 4th one is a Soldier's Medal, but it's hard to tell with the haze and glare. It's right around the precedence of a Bronze Star, IIRC.


You're right.  The center field looked completely off white or yellowish to me, no red stripes, but tweaking the image brought it out.  And it is in the right position.  Good eye.
 
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