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(MSNBC)   Senate votes to ban convicted felons from getting foodstamps. Because nothing makes people follow the law like starvation   (tv.msnbc.com ) divider line
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2013-05-26 01:02:37 PM  
Didn't David Vitter, who proposed this, commit a felony?
 
2013-05-26 01:07:23 PM  
As long as they can still buy guns.
 
2013-05-26 01:08:04 PM  
Yeah... that's going to help

/I'm sure Jesus would approve, too
//f*cking petty, self-righteous retards
 
2013-05-26 01:12:45 PM  

DamnYankees: Didn't David Vitter, who proposed this, commit a felony?


I think he agreed to a plea bargain, and had the charge reduced to an Oopsie in the 2nd degree.  He was sentenced to publicly embarrassing his wife and asking for forgiveness, to which Jesus reluctantly agreed.  He then went on to become an outspoken proponent of ethics legislation.  (That part is true)
 
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2013-05-26 01:14:04 PM  
They already have a profession,  sort of.
 
2013-05-26 01:23:49 PM  
Ah another Christian Republican brain storm.

"Give us this day, our daily bread. And forgive us our debts.."
 
2013-05-26 01:40:28 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: As long as they can still buy guns.


Food problem solved.
 
2013-05-26 01:43:19 PM  
Jean ValJean unavailable for comment.
 
2013-05-26 01:54:09 PM  
So, now they have to steal food from my house forcing me to own a gun.

What a brilliant plan!
 
2013-05-26 02:09:28 PM  
"It doesn't save anyone any money," he told MSNBC. "It just makes sort of a political statement that we don't forgive people for crimes once they pay their dues. We're just going to punish them forever." He argued that making it more difficult for convicted felons to meet their basic nutritional needs would encourage recidivism.

yup.  that's how 'good christian' evangelicals handle things...once a sinner, always a sinner.  you can never change, never reform.  treating you with any sort of respect or dignity is a waste of resources.  the only thing we can do is punish you even harder, place more and more restrictions on you until finally you eventually break some law somewhere and we can feel justified in throwing you back into the pit.
 
2013-05-26 02:12:41 PM  

Weaver95: "It doesn't save anyone any money," he told MSNBC. "It just makes sort of a political statement that we don't forgive people for crimes once they pay their dues. We're just going to punish them forever." He argued that making it more difficult for convicted felons to meet their basic nutritional needs would encourage recidivism.

yup.  that's how 'good christian' evangelicals handle things...once a sinner, always a sinner.  you can never change, never reform.  treating you with any sort of respect or dignity is a waste of resources.  the only thing we can do is punish you even harder, place more and more restrictions on you until finally you eventually break some law somewhere and we can feel justified in throwing you back into the pit.


Well unless you're a republican.
 
2013-05-26 02:14:27 PM  
So, lets make felons who have such an easy time getting employment, unable to feed themselves or their children.


I'm sure this will work itself out in a completely safe and non-violent manner.
 
2013-05-26 02:15:43 PM  
This is stupid.
 
2013-05-26 02:16:03 PM  

spcMike: Weaver95: "It doesn't save anyone any money," he told MSNBC. "It just makes sort of a political statement that we don't forgive people for crimes once they pay their dues. We're just going to punish them forever." He argued that making it more difficult for convicted felons to meet their basic nutritional needs would encourage recidivism.

yup.  that's how 'good christian' evangelicals handle things...once a sinner, always a sinner.  you can never change, never reform.  treating you with any sort of respect or dignity is a waste of resources.  the only thing we can do is punish you even harder, place more and more restrictions on you until finally you eventually break some law somewhere and we can feel justified in throwing you back into the pit.

Well unless you're a republican.


oh, well see the rules are different for the inner circle.  they're always innocent, even when caught actively committing a crime.
 
2013-05-26 02:17:23 PM  
So take a group who have paid their debt to society and who are now much less able to find work, in a down economy, and incent them to engage in acts of theft simply to eat?  Sounds like someone is being paid off by the for-profit prison system.
 
2013-05-26 02:17:24 PM  
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2013-05-26 02:17:47 PM  
Thank FSM they added the "violent" adjective.  I want my wire fraud felons, identity theft felons, felony drunk drivers, felony embezzlers and felonious forgers to still get their food assistance if necessary.
 
2013-05-26 02:18:16 PM  

Weaver95: "It doesn't save anyone any money," he told MSNBC. "It just makes sort of a political statement that we don't forgive people for crimes once they pay their dues. We're just going to punish them forever." He argued that making it more difficult for convicted felons to meet their basic nutritional needs would encourage recidivism.

yup.  that's how 'good christian' evangelicals handle things...once a sinner, always a sinner.  you can never change, never reform.  treating you with any sort of respect or dignity is a waste of resources.  the only thing we can do is punish you even harder, place more and more restrictions on you until finally you eventually break some law somewhere and we can feel justified in throwing you back into the pit.


And all the while they smile and tell you that they hate the sin, not the sinner, and that Jesus s you!!
 
2013-05-26 02:18:42 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: This is stupid.


It's slightly less stupid than drug testing applicants, which ends up actually costing money, so 'Yay!' I guess.
 
2013-05-26 02:20:02 PM  
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2013-05-26 02:20:24 PM  

Weaver95: "It doesn't save anyone any money," he told MSNBC. "It just makes sort of a political statement that we don't forgive people for crimes once they pay their dues. We're just going to punish them forever." He argued that making it more difficult for convicted felons to meet their basic nutritional needs would encourage recidivism.

yup.  that's how 'good christian' evangelicals handle things...once a sinner, always a sinner.  you can never change, never reform.  treating you with any sort of respect or dignity is a waste of resources.  the only thing we can do is punish you even harder, place more and more restrictions on you until finally you eventually break some law somewhere and we can feel justified in throwing you back into the pit.


Wow, he even admits the purpose here is to say "fark you." I'm almost impressed at the purity of his evil.
 
2013-05-26 02:21:52 PM  
please note
that this was a bi-partisan effort

we are damned
 
2013-05-26 02:22:08 PM  
David Vitter is known to have employed prostitutes, same as Eliot Spitzer. So why is he in Congress? Shouldn't he have been made to quit like Spitzer? let's see, what's the reason he's still there... oh yes, he was railroaded by the same Bush DoJ that decided to do nothing about Republican Vitter. Funny how that worked out.

And people think that making tea partiers wait a few days before they got their tax-exempt status is a scandal... because they're morons.
 
2013-05-26 02:22:38 PM  
This is unbelievably stupid.  The whole movement that has arisen in American politics where we put former criminals on 100 different lists and keep punishing them forever is completely asinine.  We've already made it pretty much impossible for anyone ever convicted to any kind of sex crime to ever have a regular life again - let's extend that infinite punishment model to all felons!

The idea of jail is that you give someone a punishment in proportion to their crime, and after they serve their punishment they get to go back to society.  If you don't think they deserve being in society again, just leave them in jail. This whole idea of "let them out of jail, but take away a whole bunch of basic rights" is just setting up criminals to break the law again.
 
2013-05-26 02:24:12 PM  
The pope just said that Jesus died for everyones sins, even Atheists, so any sin committed is fully absolved the moment it happens.


/So thats why christian religious nuts keep murdering people in grand explosions of carnage.
//Jesus is in the imagination center of their brains and telling them to do it without punishment for all eternity in HELL.
///Hells actually a nice place. He doesn't care who you are or what you've done, unlike that GOD asshole.
 
2013-05-26 02:25:51 PM  

balloot: This is unbelievably stupid.  The whole movement that has arisen in American politics where we put former criminals on 100 different lists and keep punishing them forever is completely asinine.  We've already made it pretty much impossible for anyone ever convicted to any kind of sex crime to ever have a regular life again - let's extend that infinite punishment model to all felons!

The idea of jail is that you give someone a punishment in proportion to their crime, and after they serve their punishment they get to go back to society.  If you don't think they deserve being in society again, just leave them in jail. This whole idea of "let them out of jail, but take away a whole bunch of basic rights" is just setting up criminals to break the law again.


welcome to the religious authoritarian mind set.
 
2013-05-26 02:26:54 PM  
FTA: " The amendment was passed by unanimous consent, meaning that neither Republicans nor Democrats objected to the bill."

God dammit.
 
2013-05-26 02:27:08 PM  

balloot: This is unbelievably stupid.  The whole movement that has arisen in American politics where we put former criminals on 100 different lists and keep punishing them forever is completely asinine.  We've already made it pretty much impossible for anyone ever convicted to any kind of sex crime to ever have a regular life again - let's extend that infinite punishment model to all felons!

The idea of jail is that you give someone a punishment in proportion to their crime, and after they serve their punishment they get to go back to society.  If you don't think they deserve being in society again, just leave them in jail. This whole idea of "let them out of jail, but take away a whole bunch of basic rights" is just setting up criminals to break the law again.


THIS. Holy fark, I've seen so many teenagers whose lives are basically ruined because they did one stupid thing and got caught. Can we stop farking people over and go back to 'punishment must fit the crime'?
 
2013-05-26 02:28:07 PM  

DamnYankees: Didn't David Vitter, who proposed this, commit a felony?


Depends.
 
2013-05-26 02:31:51 PM  
The for profit prison industry must be fed.
 
2013-05-26 02:33:38 PM  
Hungry people don't stay hungry for long.
 
2013-05-26 02:34:28 PM  

balloot: This is unbelievably stupid.  The whole movement that has arisen in American politics where we put former criminals on 100 different lists and keep punishing them forever is completely asinine.  We've already made it pretty much impossible for anyone ever convicted to any kind of sex crime to ever have a regular life again - let's extend that infinite punishment model to all felons!

The idea of jail is that you give someone a punishment in proportion to their crime, and after they serve their punishment they get to go back to society.  If you don't think they deserve being in society again, just leave them in jail. This whole idea of "let them out of jail, but take away a whole bunch of basic rights" is just setting up criminals to break the law again.


That's the point. See: for-profit prisons.
 
2013-05-26 02:34:41 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Hungry people don't stay hungry for long.


we should also step up efforts to make guns even easier to obtain, and make sure background checks never get implemented.
 
2013-05-26 02:35:59 PM  
I'd love to see a heavily reviewed study on the reform statistics for prison populations.  How many prisoners leaving custody are reformed, how many repeat offenses, etc.  Additionally, how many 'at risk' individuals view prison as a 'school' for learning new tradecraft to further their criminal behavior?
 
2013-05-26 02:40:05 PM  
It's like both parties are working their hardest to bring us back to the carefree days of the early 20th century, when corporations ruled everything and everyone else starved. We even have the added bonus of it being near impossible these days to set up your own sustenance farm..land is way to expensive for that, and homesteading went away decades ago.

Good luck everybody!
 
2013-05-26 02:48:45 PM  
Jeeze, this sounds like a plot by the Prison Industrial Complex - force felons to steal to eat to get them back in prison as fast as possible. Felons have a hard time finding jobs and this may shut some out of the crappy low paying jobs, like at  Walmart, where the pay is so poor that many qualify for food stamps.
 
2013-05-26 02:53:22 PM  
ex-con: "Okay I farked up, did my time, stayed clean, and have tried to do good with my life. May I have some help or a job so that I don't starve or become homeless?"
(some parts of) society: "NO!! NO NO NO NO! You get to suffer forever! No job, no school no food! No help for you!"
ex-con: "I can still get a gun, right?"
(some parts of) society: "Sure! We love the second amendment!"
ex-con: "Good. *click* Now gimme your f*ckin wallet!"
 
2013-05-26 02:56:55 PM  
I'm fairly conservative, but this seems like a bad idea. Felons have a hard time finding work once they are out of prison. Why force them right back into a life of crime? Shouldn't we be trying to rehabilitate them?

I know a lot of criminals have self control issues, and various mental disorders. Shouldn't we try making sure they have skills to cope once they are out of prison?
 
2013-05-26 02:58:09 PM  
"The beatings will continue until moral improves."

   Republicans
 
2013-05-26 03:00:19 PM  
Republicanism isn't really a form of government, it's a philosophy based on punishing other people whose decisions you disagree with.
 
2013-05-26 03:00:27 PM  
now when athlete's go bankrupt, they'll starve to death if they're also convicted felons
 
2013-05-26 03:00:52 PM  
Don't tell me Floyd Mayweather's blown through all that money already.
 
2013-05-26 03:00:56 PM  

rewind2846: ex-con: "Okay I farked up, did my time, stayed clean, and have tried to do good with my life. May I have some help or a job so that I don't starve or become homeless?"
(some parts of) society: "NO!! NO NO NO NO! You get to suffer forever! No job, no school no food! No help for you!"
ex-con: "I can still get a gun, right?"
(some parts of) society: "Sure! We love the second amendment!"
ex-con: "Good. *click* Now gimme your f*ckin wallet!"


Yeah - even if someones isn't a "compassionate conservative", it still seems like they'd help these people out of their own self-interest.
 
2013-05-26 03:02:58 PM  
Vitter supports something that drives people to prostitution?  The deuce you say!
 
2013-05-26 03:02:58 PM  
I see reading comprehension is hard for some people today.

FTA: "Under current law, there is a lifetime ban for convicted drug felons, though many states have opted out of or modified that ban," reads a statement from Vitter's office. "Vitter's amendment would extend the lifetime food stamp ban to dangerous sex offenders and murderers."
 
2013-05-26 03:04:54 PM  

turbidum: I see reading comprehension is hard for some people today.

FTA: "Under current law, there is a lifetime ban for convicted drug felons, though many states have opted out of or modified that ban," reads a statement from Vitter's office. "Vitter's amendment would extend the lifetime food stamp ban to dangerous sex offenders and murderers."


You mean like serial johns?  Has anyone asked Vitter's wife if she got any VD from him?  The test she no doubt got was at taxpayer expense, too.
 
2013-05-26 03:05:17 PM  

Phony_Soldier: I'm fairly conservative, but this seems like a bad idea. Felons have a hard time finding work once they are out of prison. Why force them right back into a life of crime? Shouldn't we be trying to rehabilitate them?


Because they're cheap labor and you don't have to pay them as much as regular citizens.

You know, because the 13th Amendment didn't specifically prohibit it.
 
2013-05-26 03:07:18 PM  
All it would take to stop this is a few burned out mansions and a few noosed up millionaires.

The rich need to be put in their place again.
 
2013-05-26 03:10:43 PM  
If the felon is still in prison, then there's no need for food stamps. If the felon has been released to society, the claim is that (s)he's paid his/her debt to society and is now just an ordinary citizen, in which case we should not continue to punish the person. The person should be given every rights as any other citizen, including the right to work, the right to services that the government provides.

If you feel that the felon shouldn't be given certain rights, then keep the person in prison or continue somehow to charge the person for the debt he or she should continue to pay to society.
 
2013-05-26 03:13:24 PM  
The entire system is built to encourage recitivism. How else do you think those private prisons will get al their money?
 
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