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(Washington Post)   Problems for Obamacare: States aren't expanding Medicare, people think it was repealed, and a businessmen thinks it's 'too complex' despite the fact that he pays an outside HR firm to handle the details   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 53
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2013-05-26 09:27:23 AM
In my State the Republican legislature and Republican Governor switched Medicaid to a privately administered system(KanCare) which is not only not working but is more expensive and provides fewer services.

/but at least the insurance companies are making money
//Thanks Sam Brownback! and go fark yourself
 
2013-05-26 12:08:43 PM
Here in PA the GOP Governor crams so much corporate dong in his mouth he looks like the cigarette guy from the Guinness book -- his great plan is to not expand Medicaid and turn it all over to a private company that an independent study has proven will cost 50% MORE than Medicaid. Because soshulisms.
 
2013-05-26 12:12:14 PM

Voiceofreason01: In my State the Republican legislature and Republican Governor switched Medicaid to a privately administered system(KanCare) which is not only not working but is more expensive and provides fewer services.

/but at least the insurance companies are making money
//Thanks Sam Brownback! and go fark yourself


Thanks, Obama!!
 
2013-05-26 12:12:50 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Here in PA the GOP Governor crams so much corporate dong in his mouth he looks like the cigarette guy from the Guinness book -- his great plan is to not expand Medicaid and turn it all over to a private company that an independent study has proven will cost 50% MORE than Medicaid. Because soshulisms.


We could improve PA government 100% by listening to Corbett and then doing the exact opposite.
 
2013-05-26 12:18:08 PM
This is the form letter the IRS Union gave their employees pleading to be exempt from Obamacare:

I am a federal employee and one of your constituents. I am very concerned about legislation that has been introduced by Congressman Dave Camp to push federal employees out of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) and into the insurance exchanges established under the Affordable Care Act (ACA).
H.R. 1780 would put federal employees in a special class where they would be prohibited from receiving health insurance through their employer. It would treat federal employees differently from state and local government employees and most employees of large private sector companies who receive health insurance benefits through their employer. The primary purpose of the Affordable Care Act was to provide a marketplace for the sale and purchase of health insurance for those who do not have such coverage - not to take coverage away from employees who already receive it through their employers.
I work hard and am proud of the services that I provide to your constituents every day. One of the main benefits I receive as a federal employee is the ability to purchase health insurance coverage through the FEHBP with an employer contribution towards those benefits. Please let me know your views on this legislation.         I look forward to hearing back from you.


So there's that.
 
2013-05-26 12:21:01 PM
You know what I hear too often in America? The idea that "X" is bad, because if "X," unethical people might do bullshiat "Y".

What the fark about holding the people who do "Y" accountable? Why is "X" bad if the real problem is the people?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-26 01:17:56 PM

OregonVet: This is the form letter the IRS Union gave their employees pleading to be exempt from Obamacare:

I am a federal employee and one of your constituents. I am very concerned about legislation that has been introduced by Congressman Dave Camp to push federal employees out of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) and into the insurance exchanges established under the Affordable Care Act (ACA).
H.R. 1780 would put federal employees in a special class where they would be prohibited from receiving health insurance through their employer. It would treat federal employees differently from state and local government employees and most employees of large private sector companies who receive health insurance benefits through their employer. The primary purpose of the Affordable Care Act was to provide a marketplace for the sale and purchase of health insurance for those who do not have such coverage - not to take coverage away from employees who already receive it through their employers.
I work hard and am proud of the services that I provide to your constituents every day. One of the main benefits I receive as a federal employee is the ability to purchase health insurance coverage through the FEHBP with an employer contribution towards those benefits. Please let me know your views on this legislation.         I look forward to hearing back from you.

So there's that.


I'm assuming that this "Form letter" you have came in e-mail with "fw:fw:fw:fw:fw:fw:fw:fw:fw:fw:fw" in front of it?
 
2013-05-26 01:21:01 PM

Marcus Aurelius: We could improve PA government 100% by listening to Corbett and then doing the exact opposite.


He's not  always wrong, but I'm not certain the number of times he is correct is statistically significant.
 
2013-05-26 01:27:34 PM
An April poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that one-fifth of respondents didn't think the ACA was still in force - they thought it had been repealed by Congress or struck down by the Supreme Court.

This just in: 20% of poll respondents are perpetually clueless

/any question
 
2013-05-26 01:38:09 PM
When will poor people realize that they should just FOD?  Middle-class people need to realize that health care is not something you should get from an employer and should only be accessed when you're in the emergency room from the advanced and otherwise preventable condition for which you put off going to the doctor.
 
2013-05-26 01:41:12 PM
So... idiots.
 
2013-05-26 01:42:25 PM
Take a look at what's happening in states like California, Oregon, and New York. California's rate proposals were much cheaper than expected. Multiple companies in Oregon petitioned to submit new, lower rates. New York is expecting insurance costs to plummet by 15-20%. If the states work with the federal government to make ObamaCare work, they will make it work. If they stick up their middle fingers at Obama, it will leave people uninsured, going bankrupt at higher rates, and paying more money for worse insurance.
 
2013-05-26 01:42:32 PM

Erix: So... idiots.


The common clay of the New 'Merka, so yes.
 
2013-05-26 01:43:31 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: An April poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that one-fifth of respondents didn't think the ACA was still in force - they thought it had been repealed by Congress or struck down by the Supreme Court.

This just in: 20% of poll respondents are perpetually clueless

FOX news watchers.

FTFY
 
2013-05-26 01:44:31 PM

Serious Black: Take a look at what's happening in states like California, Oregon, and New York. California's rate proposals were much cheaper than expected. Multiple companies in Oregon petitioned to submit new, lower rates. New York is expecting insurance costs to plummet by 15-20%. If the states work with the federal government to make ObamaCare work, they will make it work. If they stick up their middle fingers at Obama, it will leave people uninsured, going bankrupt at higher rates, and paying more money for worse insurance.



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What's the problem with that?
 
2013-05-26 01:44:44 PM
Mandated employer provided health care really is a stupid idea. Either require individuals to purchase their own insurance from the marketplace or have a single government provided plan for everyone (which people can supplement with privately purchased insurance if they want).
 
2013-05-26 01:46:39 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Mandated employer provided health care really is a stupid idea. Either require individuals to purchase their own insurance from the marketplace or have a single government provided plan for everyone (which people can supplement with privately purchased insurance if they want).


Why don't we just do the same thing every other first-world country on the planet does?
 
2013-05-26 01:47:10 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Here in PA the GOP Governor crams so much corporate dong in his mouth he looks like the cigarette guy from the Guinness book -- his great plan is to not expand Medicaid and turn it all over to a private company that an independent study has proven will cost 50% MORE than Medicaid. Because soshulisms.


To be fair, I don't think there has been a gov. of PA in the last forty years who hasn't been in the pocket of the insurance industry in the state.
 
2013-05-26 01:49:10 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Mandated employer provided health care really is a stupid idea. Either require individuals to purchase their own insurance from the marketplace or have a single government provided plan for everyone (which people can supplement with privately purchased insurance if they want).


A certain segment of the American body politic fought long and hard to maintain the employer based health insurance system.
 
2013-05-26 02:02:38 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: An April poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that one-fifth of respondents didn't think the ACA was still in force - they thought it had been repealed by Congress or struck down by the Supreme Court.

This just in: 20% of poll respondents are perpetually clueless

/any question


So basically the same percentage of people who are hardcore Republicans.
 
2013-05-26 02:02:52 PM

Voiceofreason01: In my State the Republican legislature and Republican Governor switched Medicaid to a privately administered system(KanCare) which is not only not working but is more expensive and provides fewer services.

/but at least the insurance companies are making money
//Thanks Sam Brownback! and go fark yourself


What do you mean it isn't working.  More expensive ans less care.  Sounds like it is working exactly as planned.
 
2013-05-26 02:11:03 PM

LasersHurt: You know what I hear too often in America? The idea that "X" is bad, because if "X," unethical people might do bullshiat "Y".

What the fark about holding the people who do "Y" accountable? Why is "X" bad if the real problem is the people?


I think that is because some people think that it is the government's role to fix people or make sure people don't do stupid things.

careful, if you want people to be accountable and not have the government try to create laws to make sure their are few ways for a person to not have to worry about accountability, people will start calling a conservative or even...gasp...a libertarian ...
 
2013-05-26 02:11:43 PM
My current benefits would be subject to the "Cadillac Tax", so they're going to get lousier in the near term. If any money is saved thereby, I won't see a farking dime of it. Perhaps insurance will become more readily available and less expensive for me on the open market eventually, if Obamacare works as hoped. That might allow me to stop working for other people. If it doesn't work, hopefully, we'll end up with a single payer system to replace it. Who am I kidding? There are way too many dumbshiats  in this country. Obamacare will be dismantled, and replaced by a health care system modeled after Somalia's, while the Tea Party jumps for joy.
 
2013-05-26 02:15:09 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Mandated employer provided health care really is a stupid idea. Either require individuals to purchase their own insurance from the marketplace or have a single government provided plan for everyone (which people can supplement with privately purchased insurance if they want).


I'd be vaguely fine with that if wages increased to compensate. For example, my employer covers a TON of my premiums. I pay about a 3rd and they cover two 3rds.

We all know the companies will just cut off their benefit payments with no wage increase. Thus, making things worse for people than it already is.
 
2013-05-26 02:15:50 PM

forgotmydamnusername: My current benefits would be subject to the "Cadillac Tax", so they're going to get lousier in the near term. If any money is saved thereby, I won't see a farking dime of it. Perhaps insurance will become more readily available and less expensive for me on the open market eventually, if Obamacare works as hoped. That might allow me to stop working for other people. If it doesn't work, hopefully, we'll end up with a single payer system to replace it. Who am I kidding? There are way too many dumbshiats  in this country. Obamacare will be dismantled, and replaced by a health care system modeled after Somalia's, while the Tea Party jumps for joy.


The Cadillac Tax doesn't take effect until 2018.
Some companies are planning to comp employees extra to cover that tax.
 
2013-05-26 02:19:36 PM

gimmegimme: Why don't we just do the same thing every other first-world country on the planet does?


Because American Exceptionalism.
 
2013-05-26 02:22:33 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: An April poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that one-fifth of respondents didn't think the ACA was still in force - they thought it had been repealed by Congress or struck down by the Supreme Court.

This just in: 20% of poll respondents are perpetually clueless

/any question


No, it's not. I remain effectively clueless. I found out more from reading the literature of CoveredCalifornia than I got from anything by my own state. Think about that for a moment. In order to learn the basic details of the law I had to go to the website of another state to get the information even though my state is effectively doing the same thing as CA. But while I now know what CA is doing so that gives me a sense of what is likely to happen in my state it still doesn't tell me what specifically is going to happen to me, in my state.

My opinion is that the people who are confused are the ones who they think they understand it. I have spent hours reading and while I have better sense of what is happening than most I don't even pretend to have a clue of what the on-the-ground reality looks like.
 
2013-05-26 02:25:50 PM

vpb: I'm assuming that this "Form letter" you have came in e-mail with "fw:fw:fw:fw:fw:fw:fw:fw:fw:fw:fw" in front of it?


That would have been funny. But no, it is on their website right now, which is from where I did the copy pasta. Nice try dickhead.

link
 
2013-05-26 02:29:55 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: LasersHurt: You know what I hear too often in America? The idea that "X" is bad, because if "X," unethical people might do bullshiat "Y".

What the fark about holding the people who do "Y" accountable? Why is "X" bad if the real problem is the people?

I think that is because some people think that it is the government's role to fix people or make sure people don't do stupid things.

careful, if you want people to be accountable and not have the government try to create laws to make sure their are few ways for a person to not have to worry about accountability, people will start calling a conservative or even...gasp...a libertarian ...


You do not pay attention to reality since republicans do not want anyone with money and donates to them to be accountable for anything. And lest we forget a president bribed Iran to hold hostages till after an election, I will give you a guess as to that presidents identity. (Hint: Raygun)
 
2013-05-26 02:43:12 PM
As long as news outlets willingly mislead people about ACA, people will not understand it.  You would think that hyperpartisanship would have run it's course, but it hasn't.

/hopeful for 2014 or 2016 to be the year that moderate republicans stop voting for hyperpartisan congressmen.
 
2013-05-26 02:56:18 PM

OregonVet: This is the form letter the IRS Union gave their employees pleading to be exempt from Obamacare:

I am a federal employee and one of your constituents. I am very concerned about legislation that has been introduced by Congressman Dave Camp to push federal employees out of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) and into the insurance exchanges established under the Affordable Care Act (ACA).
H.R. 1780 would put federal employees in a special class where they would be prohibited from receiving health insurance through their employer. It would treat federal employees differently from state and local government employees and most employees of large private sector companies who receive health insurance benefits through their employer. The primary purpose of the Affordable Care Act was to provide a marketplace for the sale and purchase of health insurance for those who do not have such coverage - not to take coverage away from employees who already receive it through their employers.
I work hard and am proud of the services that I provide to your constituents every day. One of the main benefits I receive as a federal employee is the ability to purchase health insurance coverage through the FEHBP with an employer contribution towards those benefits. Please let me know your views on this legislation.         I look forward to hearing back from you.

So there's that.


The letter itself states they aren't pleading to be exempt from "Obamacare". It's talking about new legislation that would essentially strip them of their employer-provided health insurance because their employer is the federal government.

Link
 
2013-05-26 03:08:01 PM

gimmegimme: Arthur Jumbles: Mandated employer provided health care really is a stupid idea. Either require individuals to purchase their own insurance from the marketplace or have a single government provided plan for everyone (which people can supplement with privately purchased insurance if they want).

Why don't we just do the same thing every other first-world country on the planet does?


'cause Socialism.
 
2013-05-26 03:24:16 PM

TalenLee: gimmegimme: Why don't we just do the same thing every other first-world country on the planet does?

Because American Exceptionalism.


That attitude is going to destroy us. So many Americans believe that we're right and everyone else is wrong, and if an idea was worth doing, we would have thought of it first. We're doomed.
 
2013-05-26 03:55:46 PM

AppleOptionEsc: gimmegimme: Arthur Jumbles: Mandated employer provided health care really is a stupid idea. Either require individuals to purchase their own insurance from the marketplace or have a single government provided plan for everyone (which people can supplement with privately purchased insurance if they want).

Why don't we just do the same thing every other first-world country on the planet does?

'cause Socialism.


Which is why we should cut the employers out from the middle and just require people to buy their coverage directly from the insurance companies. Of course, the insurance companies would lose a ton of money if we did that so they lobby against it. However, other businesses would profit if freed from that burden so I wonder why they don't advocate for it.
 
2013-05-26 03:59:35 PM

Arthur Jumbles: AppleOptionEsc: gimmegimme: Arthur Jumbles: Mandated employer provided health care really is a stupid idea. Either require individuals to purchase their own insurance from the marketplace or have a single government provided plan for everyone (which people can supplement with privately purchased insurance if they want).

Why don't we just do the same thing every other first-world country on the planet does?

'cause Socialism.

Which is why we should cut the employers out from the middle and just require people to buy their coverage directly from the insurance companies. Of course, the insurance companies would lose a ton of money if we did that so they lobby against it. However, other businesses would profit if freed from that burden so I wonder why they don't advocate for it.


The insurance companies would only lose money because millions of fewer people would pay in, as the premiums are recklessly high.
 
2013-05-26 04:18:40 PM
There is no free market in healthcare, it will always be tainted by the fact that when you get really sick your options run out and you'll do anything not to die.   That's why any free market solutions will always fail.
 
2013-05-26 04:31:54 PM

Serious Black: If they stick up their middle fingers at Obama, it will leave people uninsured, going bankrupt at higher rates, and paying more money for worse insurance.


That's a good thing. They don't want Obama to get a "win".
 
2013-05-26 04:35:03 PM

gimmegimme: Arthur Jumbles: Mandated employer provided health care really is a stupid idea. Either require individuals to purchase their own insurance from the marketplace or have a single government provided plan for everyone (which people can supplement with privately purchased insurance if they want).

Why don't we just do the same thing every other first-world country on the planet does?


Because you only need insurance if you're ill, and I'm not ill.
 
2013-05-26 04:36:20 PM

evil saltine: gimmegimme: Arthur Jumbles: Mandated employer provided health care really is a stupid idea. Either require individuals to purchase their own insurance from the marketplace or have a single government provided plan for everyone (which people can supplement with privately purchased insurance if they want).

Why don't we just do the same thing every other first-world country on the planet does?

Because you only need insurance if you're ill, and I'm not ill.


You do realize that preventative medicine SAVES money, right?  When the time comes that you DO need a doctor, please be ideologically consistent and stay at home.
 
2013-05-26 04:39:08 PM

gimmegimme: evil saltine: gimmegimme: Arthur Jumbles: Mandated employer provided health care really is a stupid idea. Either require individuals to purchase their own insurance from the marketplace or have a single government provided plan for everyone (which people can supplement with privately purchased insurance if they want).

Why don't we just do the same thing every other first-world country on the planet does?

Because you only need insurance if you're ill, and I'm not ill.

You do realize that preventative medicine SAVES money, right?  When the time comes that you DO need a doctor, please be ideologically consistent and stay at home.


Preventative medicine is just evil doctors trying to take your money
 
2013-05-26 05:11:10 PM

Serious Black: Take a look at what's happening in states like California, Oregon, and New York. California's rate proposals were much cheaper than expected. Multiple companies in Oregon petitioned to submit new, lower rates. New York is expecting insurance costs to plummet by 15-20%. If the states work with the federal government to make ObamaCare work, they will make it work. If they stick up their middle fingers at Obama, it will leave people uninsured, going bankrupt at higher rates, and paying more money for worse insurance.


But how will that prove that the government is bad?
 
2013-05-26 05:20:11 PM
Subby like many of the people who bash Obamacare don't seem to know that Medicare =/= Medicaid
 
2013-05-26 05:26:53 PM

OregonVet: dickhead


Name-calling is OK on Fark when Republicans do it.
 
2013-05-26 07:07:31 PM

evil saltine: gimmegimme: Arthur Jumbles: Mandated employer provided health care really is a stupid idea. Either require individuals to purchase their own insurance from the marketplace or have a single government provided plan for everyone (which people can supplement with privately purchased insurance if they want).

Why don't we just do the same thing every other first-world country on the planet does?

Because you only need insurance if you're ill, and I'm not ill.


So, then no one needs insurance? Because, people never just get sick. What about if you have an accident?
 
2013-05-26 07:51:51 PM

ImpendingCynic: TalenLee: gimmegimme: Why don't we just do the same thing every other first-world country on the planet does?

Because American Exceptionalism.

That attitude is going to destroy us. So many Americans believe that we're right and everyone else is wrong, and if an idea was worth doing, we would have thought of it first. We're doomed.


Oh yeah. Another fact that seems to have America on the path to doomsville is the way they don't believe people can solve things. The prevailing attitude in the American populace is that it's up to a small group of elites capable of enforcing or convincing others to change, to fix everything. It's like people hoping their superheroes get into a fight.
 
2013-05-26 08:06:13 PM

Serious Black: Take a look at what's happening in states like California, Oregon, and New York. California's rate proposals were much cheaper than expected. Multiple companies in Oregon petitioned to submit new, lower rates. New York is expecting insurance costs to plummet by 15-20%. If the states work with the federal government to make ObamaCare work, they will make it work. If they stick up their middle fingers at Obama, it will leave people uninsured, going bankrupt at higher rates, and paying more money for worse insurance.


Obama needs to make a heavily publicized public address about this. Point to the lower prices in those states that are cooperating. Point to the screw-ups in those states that are not. Provide facts and figures. Lots of Powerpoint. Name names. Raise hell about it. Get the voters in the screw-up states really pissed off at their local right-wing rulers. He's got the goddamn bully pulpit, he should USE it!
 
2013-05-26 09:14:08 PM

TalenLee: Another fact that seems to have America on the path to doomsville is the way they don't believe people can solve things. The prevailing attitude in the American populace is that it's up to a small group of elites capable of enforcing or convincing others to change, to fix everything. It's like people hoping their superheroes get into a fight.


Have you seen the average American? fark 'em. I don't want those morons solving my problems.
 
2013-05-26 09:22:57 PM

James F. Campbell: TalenLee: Another fact that seems to have America on the path to doomsville is the way they don't believe people can solve things. The prevailing attitude in the American populace is that it's up to a small group of elites capable of enforcing or convincing others to change, to fix everything. It's like people hoping their superheroes get into a fight.

Have you seen the average American? fark 'em. I don't want those morons solving my problems.


Here's the other side of the problem: Yeah, you're kind of right. The United States operates on the idea of government by the people, but then does nothing to incentivise the people being good people. It's... kinda sad.
 
2013-05-26 11:34:01 PM

gimmegimme: Why don't we just do the same thing every other first-world country on the planet does?


because we want to cover the illegal immigrants.
 
2013-05-27 12:37:00 AM

Arthur Jumbles: AppleOptionEsc: gimmegimme: Arthur Jumbles: Mandated employer provided health care really is a stupid idea. Either require individuals to purchase their own insurance from the marketplace or have a single government provided plan for everyone (which people can supplement with privately purchased insurance if they want).

Why don't we just do the same thing every other first-world country on the planet does?

'cause Socialism.

Which is why we should cut the employers out from the middle and just require people to buy their coverage directly from the insurance companies. Of course, the insurance companies would lose a ton of money if we did that so they lobby against it. However, other businesses would profit if freed from that burden so I wonder why they don't advocate for it.


I'd say the reason companies won't lobby to get rid of employer-paid insurance is that it keeps people in their jobs. You don't want to quit a horrible job if you have insurance and no guarantee of getting another job when you leave.
Also it gives employers something they can wave at their staff when they're upset about wages or negotiating for benefits.
 
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