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(Sun Journal (Maine))   Good news: thanks to new government regulations, the war on drugs claims a success in Maine as Oxycotin abuse is significantly down. Bad news: because everyone switched to heroin   (sunjournal.com) divider line 128
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2013-05-26 01:45:31 AM
There is ample evidence that poppies, cannabis and a number of other plants evolved symbiotically alongside humans and other animals to have the properties that they have. Could this be considered "natural law" and be subjected constitutional scrutiny?
 
2013-05-26 01:59:49 AM
I buy 100,000 Oxycontin per month (various strengths). These drug laws are retarded. We have to have a conversation, as adults, about how best to handle this issue. If we just moved money from prisons to treatment programs we could save a fortune. No, I'm not talking about violent offenders. You can send them to The Penal Colony for all I care. Go Kafka on them.

We need to have this discussion in a serious, no bullsh*t environment.

I can help guide you on heroin abusers. But, you'll have to get tougher with them rather than writing for doses on Suboxone that are WAY outside any range that is for treatment.

We just ignore these problems and hope the go away. Newsflash, we have to actually do some work.
 
2013-05-26 02:11:54 AM

NewportBarGuy: I can help guide you on heroin abusers. But, you'll have to get tougher with them rather than writing for doses on Suboxone that are WAY outside any range that is for treatment.


One of the problems with "treatment" is that the medical profession does not allow for the possibility of "users".  It's always "abusers".  In my mind that makes the medical profession hypocrites.

/not automatically lumping you in with them
 
2013-05-26 02:28:50 AM

Frederick: /not automatically lumping you in with them


No, in my case, our doctors simply coddle the abusers. There is absolutely nothing I can do except ask for help. We've got a serious issue with pain meds, and we better damn well address it.
 
2013-05-26 08:51:01 AM

NewportBarGuy: Frederick: /not automatically lumping you in with them

No, in my case, our doctors simply coddle the abusers. There is absolutely nothing I can do except ask for help. We've got a serious issue with pain meds, and we better damn well address it.


What do you have against honest, hardworking heroin dealers?
 
2013-05-26 08:52:58 AM
Well if there's one thing the War on Terror gave us, it's lots and lots of cheap heroin.
 
2013-05-26 08:59:32 AM

LarryDan43: Well if there's one thing the War on Terror gave us, it's lots and lots of cheap heroin.


I may be mistaken, but I thought most of the H in the US is black tar from south of the border.
 
2013-05-26 09:00:39 AM

LarryDan43: Well if there's one thing the War on Terror gave us, it's lots and lots of cheap heroin.


And once again the Terrorists have won
 
2013-05-26 09:05:16 AM

EdNortonsTwin: LarryDan43: Well if there's one thing the War on Terror gave us, it's lots and lots of cheap heroin.

I may be mistaken, but I thought most of the H in the US is black tar from south of the border.


The global market has no effect on local supply and price? Quick, someone tell Canada they don't need that pipeline!
 
2013-05-26 09:06:51 AM
The more I see this merry-go-round turn, the more I am convinced that we should legalize all of it and let people do what they want. Perhaps more people would be junkies or cokeheads, but very few people would be getting jailed or shot over it.

I'm also very suspicious of the "treatment" folks, not because treatment shouldn't be much more available, but because forced treatment is still forced. Nobody tells me I have to go to treatment for having a beer after work.

Honestly, why do I care if someone else is a junky? I care if they steal my crap, I care if they cause me trouble - but taking pills or shooting H don't neccessarily lead to either of those outcomes. If they are otherwise functional, should society be forcing them to not take drugs? I think that's just stupid.
 
2013-05-26 09:09:16 AM
Drugs are great.

Also, I have never heard a drug user take responsibility. It is always someone else's fault. No one forced you to get addicted to pills, plants or liquid.
 
2013-05-26 09:18:39 AM

great_tigers: Drugs are great.

Also, I have never heard a drug user take responsibility. It is always someone else's fault. No one forced you to get addicted to pills, plants or liquid.



Yes, sweetie, we should just ignore the facts, it's OK, really, it's not a problem, now here's a drink of water, back to sleep with you!
 
2013-05-26 09:20:30 AM

great_tigers: Drugs are great.

Also, I have never heard a drug user take responsibility. It is always someone else's fault. No one forced you to get addicted to pills, plants or liquid.


csb.
 
2013-05-26 09:28:50 AM

LarryDan43: EdNortonsTwin: LarryDan43: Well if there's one thing the War on Terror gave us, it's lots and lots of cheap heroin.

I may be mistaken, but I thought most of the H in the US is black tar from south of the border.

The global market has no effect on local supply and price? Quick, someone tell Canada they don't need that pipeline!


So more cheaper H from Asia explains why there is more cheaper H from south of the border?

Not sure how supply and demand supports your argument.
 
2013-05-26 09:30:36 AM

EdNortonsTwin: So more cheaper H from Asia Middle East explains why there is more cheaper H from south of the border?


I am of course assuming by War on Terror you are relating it to Afghanistan.
 
2013-05-26 09:38:24 AM

adamatari: The more I see this merry-go-round turn, the more I am convinced that we should legalize all of it and let people do what they want. Perhaps more people would be junkies or cokeheads, but very few people would be getting jailed or shot over it.


THIS

All of our "hard" drugs were legal at some point and nothing really bad happened compared to the crazy shiat we see today. Why? It was legal. You don't suck dick to pay for a drink because beer's not illegal. Crack, on the other hand, highly regulated and thus very hard to come by. If you could pick up a pack of crack next to your beer, crack heads would have jobs.
 
2013-05-26 09:38:54 AM

NewportBarGuy: I buy 100,000 Oxycontin per month (various strengths).


I wanna party with you.
 
2013-05-26 09:40:58 AM

NewportBarGuy: I buy 100,000 Oxycontin per month (various strengths).


Do you get good pain relief from 3,000 Oxycontins a day?
 
2013-05-26 09:44:38 AM

NewportBarGuy: I buy 100,000 Oxycontin per month (various strengths). These drug laws are retarded. We have to have a conversation, as adults, about how best to handle this issue. If we just moved money from prisons to treatment programs we could save a fortune. No, I'm not talking about violent offenders. You can send them to The Penal Colony for all I care. Go Kafka on them.

We need to have this discussion in a serious, no bullsh*t environment.

I can help guide you on heroin abusers. But, you'll have to get tougher with them rather than writing for doses on Suboxone that are WAY outside any range that is for treatment.

We just ignore these problems and hope the go away. Newsflash, we have to actually do some work.


The good doctors where I live have gotten completely paranoid about giving prescriptions for pain killers and I think it is a good thing for the most part. It is those farking pain management clinics that are handing out prescriptions for them that offset their attempts at keeping them off the street. It seems like I hear a story at least once a month of someone's significant other who is hooked and they usually die before it is recongnized as a problem...so sad.

I was run over by a horse and taken to the hospital in an ambulance and the gave me two percacets (even though I told them I would just throw them up - which I did). Yes, I was very sore for awhile but when did we dicide that we never needed to tolerate any pain whatsoever???
 
2013-05-26 09:44:48 AM
Why do we spend so much effort trying to stop people from getting a little pleasure in their lives? Life sucks for the most part and if a little pill makes whatever malaise that afflicts lift for just a moment, who are we to take that from them?
 
2013-05-26 09:45:35 AM

doglover: adamatari: The more I see this merry-go-round turn, the more I am convinced that we should legalize all of it and let people do what they want. Perhaps more people would be junkies or cokeheads, but very few people would be getting jailed or shot over it.


THIS

All of our "hard" drugs were legal at some point and nothing really bad happened compared to the crazy shiat we see today. Why? It was legal. You don't suck dick to pay for a drink because beer's not illegal. Crack, on the other hand, highly regulated and thus very hard to come by. If you could pick up a pack of crack next to your beer, crack heads would have jobs.


Some of them would yeah. There are plenty of fuctional crackheads. But same as alcohol you will have the hopeless addict factor. Which Im pretty sure would be a much higher percentage of user than booze. Or most narcotics for that matter
 
2013-05-26 09:48:58 AM

doglover: adamatari: The more I see this merry-go-round turn, the more I am convinced that we should legalize all of it and let people do what they want. Perhaps more people would be junkies or cokeheads, but very few people would be getting jailed or shot over it.


THIS

All of our "hard" drugs were legal at some point and nothing really bad happened compared to the crazy shiat we see today. Why? It was legal. You don't suck dick to pay for a drink because beer's not illegal. Crack, on the other hand, highly regulated and thus very hard to come by. If you could pick up a pack of crack next to your beer, crack heads would have jobs.


Even hard drugs should be regulated and available, but selling crack at liquor stores would be a big mistake.

Crack cocaine is hardcore shiat - were talking instant psychosis.
 
2013-05-26 09:54:15 AM

adamatari: The more I see this merry-go-round turn, the more I am convinced that we should legalize all of it and let people do what they want. Perhaps more people would be junkies or cokeheads, but very few people would be getting jailed or shot over it.

I'm also very suspicious of the "treatment" folks, not because treatment shouldn't be much more available, but because forced treatment is still forced. Nobody tells me I have to go to treatment for having a beer after work.

Honestly, why do I care if someone else is a junky? I care if they steal my crap, I care if they cause me trouble - but taking pills or shooting H don't neccessarily lead to either of those outcomes. If they are otherwise functional, should society be forcing them to not take drugs? I think that's just stupid.



No.  But statistics show that these people cause huge amounts of child abuse and other collateral damage.
 
2013-05-26 09:59:59 AM
Don't forget the drug wars going on in the Mexican states along the border. Total success. You see massacres every day, and yet have infinite recruiting power in the US prisons where you can eilther threaten the prisoners' families or just offer a way out of being an outsider to get more junior narcoterrorist trainees.
 
2013-05-26 10:02:40 AM

FrancoFile: adamatari: The more I see this merry-go-round turn, the more I am convinced that we should legalize all of it and let people do what they want. Perhaps more people would be junkies or cokeheads, but very few people would be getting jailed or shot over it.

I'm also very suspicious of the "treatment" folks, not because treatment shouldn't be much more available, but because forced treatment is still forced. Nobody tells me I have to go to treatment for having a beer after work.

Honestly, why do I care if someone else is a junky? I care if they steal my crap, I care if they cause me trouble - but taking pills or shooting H don't neccessarily lead to either of those outcomes. If they are otherwise functional, should society be forcing them to not take drugs? I think that's just stupid.


No.  But statistics show that these people cause huge amounts of child abuse and other collateral damage.


So legalize child abuse. Jesus. It's not that hard.
 
2013-05-26 10:08:18 AM
Good, they've grown up.
 
2013-05-26 10:11:28 AM
This happened in Philadelphia because heroin was much cheaper and easier to get.
 
2013-05-26 10:14:37 AM

shifty lookin bleeder: NewportBarGuy: I buy 100,000 Oxycontin per month (various strengths).

I wanna party with you.


I'm in.
 
2013-05-26 10:15:53 AM
Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
 
2013-05-26 10:18:14 AM
I bet ALL of them started smoking pot first.....
 
2013-05-26 10:27:13 AM

Wild Eyed and Wicked: NewportBarGuy: I buy 100,000 Oxycontin per month (various strengths). These drug laws are retarded. We have to have a conversation, as adults, about how best to handle this issue. If we just moved money from prisons to treatment programs we could save a fortune. No, I'm not talking about violent offenders. You can send them to The Penal Colony for all I care. Go Kafka on them.

We need to have this discussion in a serious, no bullsh*t environment.

I can help guide you on heroin abusers. But, you'll have to get tougher with them rather than writing for doses on Suboxone that are WAY outside any range that is for treatment.

We just ignore these problems and hope the go away. Newsflash, we have to actually do some work.

The good doctors where I live have gotten completely paranoid about giving prescriptions for pain killers and I think it is a good thing for the most part. It is those farking pain management clinics that are handing out prescriptions for them that offset their attempts at keeping them off the street. It seems like I hear a story at least once a month of someone's significant other who is hooked and they usually die before it is recongnized as a problem...so sad.

I was run over by a horse and taken to the hospital in an ambulance and the gave me two percacets (even though I told them I would just throw them up - which I did). Yes, I was very sore for awhile but when did we dicide that we never needed to tolerate any pain whatsoever???


My friend has been on many medications for several years and has had to switch pain treatment doctors as she can't afford the constant trips from BFN into the metroplex and she has missed appointments because provided transportation took so long.

 They seem really weary of writing prescriptions for cash patients and she ended up only with a different opiate painkiller that she can't take because even with the prescription anti-naseau suppositories they make her feel too sick.

I'm really surprised that a doctor would also cut a patient off from benzos knowing how dangerous the withdrawals from them are after long-term use. That leads to having to buy them illegally which is also very cost-prohibitive when having to pay out of pocket for feeding tube/catheters and the sort because Medicare isn't covering them.

My doctor prescribed me Klonopin to help with anxiety/sleep after going through a fairly traumatic experience and even though it was short term he still extended it a bit to taper off even though two months isn't going to cause issues while taking them sparingly.
 
2013-05-26 10:28:12 AM
Well you have to be careful with heroin, Jesus likes to Bogart that shiat
 
2013-05-26 10:31:32 AM
Been getting worse since Sears could no longer carry opium or heroin.
www.veteranstoday.com
 
2013-05-26 10:32:03 AM
A psychiatrist who specializes in drug abuse told me in any culture/race/country around 10% of the population is addicted to something. It would seem a certain percent of people have something uncomfortably farked with their brain chemistry causing them to seek out substances to alter it.

/No easy solution
 
2013-05-26 10:34:32 AM

LiberalEastCoastElitist: A psychiatrist who specializes in drug abuse told me in any culture/race/country around 10% of the population is addicted to something. It would seem a certain percent of people have something uncomfortably farked with their brain chemistry causing them to seek out substances to alter it.

/No easy solution


A 7% solution is mighty fine, however.

/obscure?
 
2013-05-26 10:39:56 AM

Too_many_Brians: Why do we spend so much effort trying to stop people from getting a little pleasure in their lives? Life sucks for the most part and if a little pill makes whatever malaise that afflicts lift for just a moment, who are we to take that from them?


Not to mention the fact that we can't farking stop them anyways.
 
2013-05-26 10:43:42 AM
It's nice to see people going organic.
 
2013-05-26 10:48:37 AM
Mainah heah.

As a smot poker, I totally approve of this development.  As a person who lived through the abusive culture that was rampant here in the 80s and 90s, I sympathize with all of the 30ish year olds who are all messed up mentally.  I'm one of em.  Something about seeing drug use, abuse, rape and other heinous acts by the age of 10 does something to a person.  It's really too bad these people turned to hard drugs though.

ALL drug users were failed as children.  That failure could come in the form of abuse, neglect, emotional abuse..  Some of us turn to smot poking.  Some of us will never be satisfied with the EMOTIONAL pain we feel, but are told we aren't allowed to feel.  Oh, and reconciling with the abuser to heal?  GOOD LUCK with that! 

The big question is this:  At what age do we write these kids off?  11?  12?  13?   There are millions of kids going through the same thing right now.  They WILL become users.  Is this our reality?
 
2013-05-26 10:53:09 AM
just legalize Zumba and all problems sre solved
 
2013-05-26 10:55:21 AM

Mr Rogers is aroused: ALL drug users were failed as children


[CITATION NEEDED]
 
2013-05-26 10:56:07 AM
But trust them, they can handle your healthcare given how well everything else they touch turns out.
 
2013-05-26 10:56:38 AM
Didn't we have this story with a "Florida" tag a few weeks ago?
 
2013-05-26 11:02:52 AM
Wimps, I am addicted to krokodil.
 
2013-05-26 11:02:53 AM
Heroine is so passé.
 
2013-05-26 11:03:59 AM
/Do not GIS krokodil.
 
2013-05-26 11:07:06 AM

Bravo Two: LiberalEastCoastElitist: A psychiatrist who specializes in drug abuse told me in any culture/race/country around 10% of the population is addicted to something. It would seem a certain percent of people have something uncomfortably farked with their brain chemistry causing them to seek out substances to alter it.

/No easy solution

A 7% solution is mighty fine, however.

/obscure?


Elementary, my dear Bravo Two.
 
2013-05-26 11:12:20 AM
So now there's a heroin problem that needs money thrown at it?

Seems like the plan worked exactly as intended.
 
2013-05-26 11:14:45 AM

Umfufu: I bet ALL of them started smoking pot first.....


I think Milk or Cigarettes are the true gateway drugs.

The idea that everyone who uses drugs of any sort "Needs treatment" is as much a problem as anything.  We don't object to someone who takes drugs prescribed for depression, Manic-depression, other psychosis on an ongoing basis.  Why is the use of any other chemical considered a dangerous addiction.

I know plenty of people who have smoked weed for decades, and some who did rivers of coke too, along with serious drinking - most of whom are successful in life - jobs, businesses, etc.
 
2013-05-26 11:15:45 AM

Enemabag Jones: Wimps, I am addicted to krokodil.


One of my regrets in life is listening to a friend who told me to image search krokodil.
 
2013-05-26 11:17:29 AM

Pontious Pilates: Heroine is so passé.


You never thought you'd get addicted
Just be cooler in an obvious way
 
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