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(Opposing Views)   On this week's episode of Some People are Capable of Amazing Feats: 17-year-old homeless girl becomes valedictorian of her high school class   (opposingviews.com) divider line 134
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2013-05-26 01:34:02 AM

megarian: BarkingUnicorn: hardinparamedic: In other news, submitter continues the proud American tradition of treating homeless people as idiotic cretins who surprise people when they demonstrate that they are actually human beings.

Has your chemical diet changed recently?  You used to make sense.

Becoming valedictorian while lacking a stable home is an amazing feat whether  you're smart or not.   Unless, of course, your classmates were really dumb overall.

This.

Being homeless is stressful for anyone.

Being homeless, a kid, an valedictorian is pretty noteworthy.

/hope every penny of her college is paid for


Hope Scholarship will pay for 100% of her tuition for state school here in Georgia (because of her GPA).  But, I'm sure she got a complete free ride somewhere, being Valedictorian of her class.
 
2013-05-26 01:35:02 AM
It was a struggle but I did graduate #1 in my class!

www.hotteeez.com

Congrats to this young lady for an amazing accomplishment due to her circumstances
 
2013-05-26 01:36:14 AM
Azlefty:

Congrats to this young lady for an amazing accomplishment due to her circumstances

Yes.  Good for her.
 
2013-05-26 01:36:56 AM
Anyone know of a way to get in touch with someone who knows this person? Perhaps through the school?

/not ulterior motives
//I swear
/really
 
2013-05-26 01:44:06 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Yea I guess being able to quailify for a school district you don't have a home in might be tough.


It can be. There is a federal law (McKinney-Vento) that helps, and homeless kids theoretically have the same right as other kids to a free appropriate public education, but being homeless doesn't typically mean access to (or knowledge about access to) a committed attorney to point you in the right direction and keep the school on its toes as far its obligations.

Also,"homeless" encompasses a surprising variety of statuses, not just the sleeping under a bridge that immediately springs to mind, and it can difficult to figure out which of a number of potential candidate school districts is right.

In short, totally agree. Ton of hurdles for homeless kids that have nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with circumstance, law, and support. This is a tremendous accomplishment.
 
2013-05-26 01:50:48 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Mock26: MNguy: Mock26:
So what about those people 15 years ago who graduated with a GPA over 4.0?  Was that, too, a case of grade inflation?  Does that mean that an A today was actually a C thirty years ago?  And thirty years before that it was a D? Wow.  You are a genius.  Well, a genius 75 years ago, but a genius none the less!

Anything above an 'A' is grade inflation, I would think.   We should just use IQ tests for college admission.

Ever hear of a thing called extra credit?  That is how people bet a GPA over 4.0.

Real answer is extra points for advanced classes.  Otherwise you could slide though on a schedule filled with easy classes and be ranked just above the kid who took AP Calc and Physics and got an A- instead of an A.


My school's valedictorian did exactly that.  Straight A's in remedial courses, and skated ahead of all the kids taking AP.
 
2013-05-26 01:55:38 AM
Unless you have been there, you should STFU. Good for her and the sister and their drive to succeed.  I wish them the best, but they probably don't need it because they can appreciate what they have and what they will achieve.
 
2013-05-26 02:01:25 AM

Ranger Rover: Also,"homeless" encompasses a surprising variety of statuses, not just the sleeping under a bridge that immediately springs to mind, and it can difficult to figure out which of a number of potential candidate school districts is right.


In Colorado, the Coalition for  the Homeless told me that if you don't have a lease or a mortgage, you're considered homeless.

So you have to go into debt to be respectable. :-)
 
2013-05-26 02:04:08 AM

JohnnyRebel88: Unless you have been there, you should STFU. Good for her and the sister and their drive to succeed.  I wish them the best, but they probably don't need it because they can appreciate what they have and what they will achieve.


Who are you talking to? Did you forget to take your meds?
 
2013-05-26 02:16:27 AM
UnspokenVoice:

I decided not to call people out, because they know who they are.  Obviously not you, unless you feel it applies and you had left some snide comment,  Some people just don't understand what it's like to overcome such a shiat life.  It's tougher than her achievement of getting a 4.46 GPA.
 
2013-05-26 02:28:30 AM

hardinparamedic: In other news, submitter continues the proud American tradition of treating homeless people as idiotic cretins who surprise people when they demonstrate that they are actually human beings.


are all fark paramedics a douche, or is this brony's alt
 
2013-05-26 02:59:19 AM
I'm skeptical. I demand to see her transcripts!
 
2013-05-26 02:59:46 AM

UncleStumpy: hardinparamedic: In other news, submitter continues the proud American tradition of treating homeless people as idiotic cretins who surprise people when they demonstrate that they are actually human beings.

are all fark paramedics a douche, or is this brony's alt


That is BronyMedic.
 
2013-05-26 03:17:59 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Ranger Rover: Also,"homeless" encompasses a surprising variety of statuses, not just the sleeping under a bridge that immediately springs to mind, and it can difficult to figure out which of a number of potential candidate school districts is right.

In Colorado, the Coalition for  the Homeless told me that if you don't have a lease or a mortgage, you're considered homeless.

So you have to go into debt to be respectable. :-)


Yeah, I'm not surprised, overall. I'm not sure if the definitional standards are a good or a bad thing, because although in a lot of cases they are incorrect or poorly reflective of the actual situation (not to mention demeaning), a broader definition can open up more doors, like to the federal education statute. A lot of my clients were not technically homeless, but were "doubled up."
So, in Colorado, technically, if you slap down cash for like an FDIC fire sale property, never mortgage the property, and live comfortably and debt free, the state will consider you homeless, at least as a default? I don't know what the situation is here in Missouri, but that interests me enough to look into it. I wonder who that classification is ostensibly supposed to burden or benefit.
 
2013-05-26 03:39:36 AM
The school must have a rotten math program if her GPA was above 4.
 
2013-05-26 04:07:39 AM

JohnnyRebel88: UnspokenVoice:

I decided not to call people out, because they know who they are.  Obviously not you, unless you feel it applies and you had left some snide comment,  Some people just don't understand what it's like to overcome such a shiat life.  It's tougher than her achievement of getting a 4.46 GPA.


No, no. I left a comment because I'd like to offer to pay her living expenses for her first year of college. I don't think it is snide and I'm not sure why you'd worry about people who were making snide comments, this is Fark. It is what we do. Anonymous pixels on the internet shouldn't work you up so much. ;)
 
2013-05-26 04:24:59 AM
coldf33t:
Hope Scholarship will pay for 100% of her tuition for state school here in Georgia (because of her GPA).  But, I'm sure she got a complete free ride somewhere, being Valedictorian of her class.

Bwaaahaaahaaa.

<You're serious, let me laugh harder.jpg>
 
2013-05-26 04:27:20 AM
well it's not that hard if u know the school system ...Clayton County schools are one of the worst performing school systems in the state of Ga ,which is one of the worst performing school systems in the country...so really all she had to do was spell her name correctly
 
2013-05-26 04:42:52 AM

UncleStumpy: are all fark paramedics a douche, or is this brony's alt


How am I being a douche by pointing out that people on FARK are trying to take the wonderful achievement of a woman who succeeded academically despite her difficulties, and continue to perpetuate a stereotype of the homeless that boils down to they wouldn't be that way if they weren't so dumb and lazy.

This was not "an amazing feat". This was determination and hard work.  She didn't jump through a farking flaming hoop for  your amusement.
 
2013-05-26 05:26:27 AM
wuchu mean SOME people?
 
2013-05-26 05:41:02 AM

flak attack: Begoggle: with a 4.466 GPA

4.0 should be the maximum possible.
This tells me there are all kinds of joke honors classes that give bonus points, which makes this completely unimpressive.

HotWingAgenda: Begoggle: with a 4.466 GPA

4.0 should be the maximum possible.
This tells me there are all kinds of joke honors classes that give bonus points, which makes this completely unimpressive.

It is literally grade inflation.  A "B" fifteen years ago would be an "A" today, et cetera.

[citation needed]


Dunno about high school, but I KNOW it's the case at a lot of colleges/universites, even Ivies, over the last few decades.

Buddy of mine used to teach at (redacted...he may still need a reference from them) back in the late 90's; he'd get a call from the head of his department, who'd gotten a call from the dean, who'd gotten a call from an angry parent...if he gave anything less than a B.

At what used to be a fairly rigorous school.
 
2013-05-26 06:11:37 AM
If she is homeless then kick her out of school.
 
2013-05-26 06:32:21 AM
If a homeless teenager misbehaves, how can they be sent to their room as punishment?
 
2013-05-26 07:17:43 AM

hardinparamedic: In other news, submitter continues the proud American tradition of treating homeless people as idiotic cretins who surprise people when they demonstrate that they are actually human beings.


No, in fact you continue the proud American tradition of considering homeless children as being no big deal, not a problem at all, if they can't perform just as well as affluent suburban kids, it's because they're lazy and they deserve to continue living in the gutter where they belong.
 
2013-05-26 07:53:31 AM

Savage Belief: BumpInTheNight: Good for her and may she be an inspiration to others.

/Meanwhile, its pretty sad when its newsworthy that someone of less economic means manages to out-do her more financially stable peers at the high school level
//America, as long as 'socialism' is a swear word; your culture will not evolve

America tried socialism. It didn't really work out all that well.

/Purely socialist societies tend to fail.
//Miserably.


funnyasduck.net

Why do people keep trying to use unrealistic extremes as a way of dismissing more reasonable approaches?  I have a point but you wouldn't get it, its in Canada.
 
2013-05-26 08:23:08 AM
I have recently begun a hardcore thinning of "stuff" from my house. I have quite a bit of what most people may consider expensive tools, things (appliances, furniture, gadgets, etc) and I don't like to take the time to sell it, but don't want to throw it away.  So, I sell it on Craigslist for ridiculously cheap.  My dealings with people on Craigslist has lead me to understand why people can become homeless. We live in a world where we no longer have too much competition, that it becomes difficult to find a job, but rather a world where there is nobody competent enough to even fill a job.

In the past few weeks of my new hobby of being a liquidator, I have met some of the most ridiculously horrible communicators, negotiators, and navigators.  It is amazing these people have children that look to them for guidance & support and that our economy relies on them to fill jobs.

God bless this girl and let's hope she forgot all the lessons her parents taught her.
 
2013-05-26 08:38:51 AM

flak attack: MadTheologian: 1900 in her SAT? Man, how times change. What's the old school SAT equivalent? I thought I was damn lucky with my 1400.

I really hope she and her sister have continued success, and actually get out of poverty.

1266.  Decent, but not that impressive, actually.  I would expect better from a valedictorian.


Nah, that's about what our valedictorian got and she still got into an Ivy. Being valedictorian is usually more about hard work than anything else. Of the three of us who scored the highest on the SAT in my class, only one was even in the top ten - and it wasn't me. I was lazy. The third person was even lazier; he dropped out before graduating and moved down into his parents' basement. Not kidding. I have no idea what happened to him after that.

Anyway, good on the girl for working hard under less than ideal circumstances.
 
2013-05-26 09:33:07 AM
I've never lived in a homeless shelter or my car, so  I can only imagine that succeeding in school under those circumstances would be extremely difficult. And I think that was really subby's point. Chick had every excuse to be a poor student, yet she graduated number 1 in her class. Good for her, get out and don't look back.

// I had every advantage and was always a piss-poor student in spite of it.
 
2013-05-26 09:52:52 AM

FormlessOne: The truly depressing part of all this is when we actually hear conservatives use this girl as an example of how the rest of the homeless population are simply lazy, unwilling to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Paradoxically, her rather wonderful example will be used as a weapon to promote even more hostility against the poor. "See - if they only tried, they, too, could join the American Dream instead of just sucking from the government teat!"


Precisely. "who needs homes they just get in the way of valedictorianism. Homeless corners for all!"
 
2013-05-26 11:41:33 AM

RockofAges: No bites yet and not likely to get any.


Didn't you just...? Oh nevermind.
 
2013-05-26 11:56:07 AM
Geez- Imagine how stupid the rest of her high school is. A bum is smarter than everyone else.
 
2013-05-26 12:51:18 PM
with a 4.466 GPA

So bloody unfair that some high schools will grade you at more than 4 points on a four point scale, while others don't.  No one at my high school pulled better than a 4.00, because that was the top of the bloody scale, end of story.
 
2013-05-26 02:43:49 PM
With an attitude like hers, she will do extremely well in medical school. I wish her nothing but further success!
 
2013-05-27 03:14:15 AM

flondrix: with a 4.466 GPA

So bloody unfair that some high schools will grade you at more than 4 points on a four point scale, while others don't.  No one at my high school pulled better than a 4.00, because that was the top of the bloody scale, end of story.


Admissions officers know (and have known) which schools have which systems and adjust accordingly. I don't think you or your fellow students wuz robbed or anything.

/our little pile of maxed-out 4.0s all got their rides to Harvard, Stanford, Caltech, Brown...
 
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