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(Opposing Views)   On this week's episode of Some People are Capable of Amazing Feats: 17-year-old homeless girl becomes valedictorian of her high school class   (opposingviews.com) divider line 134
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2013-05-25 10:43:38 PM
with a 4.466 GPA

4.0 should be the maximum possible.
This tells me there are all kinds of joke honors classes that give bonus points, which makes this completely unimpressive.
 
2013-05-25 10:45:10 PM

hardinparamedic: BarkingUnicorn: Has your chemical diet changed recently?  You used to make sense.

Becoming valedictorian while lacking a stable home is an amazing feat whether  you're smart or not.   Unless, of course, your classmates were really dumb overall.

I was referring to the idea that people act suprised that a homeless kid can do this. In reality, most homeless are quite intelligent, and are not that way by choice - with the exception of a population of the mentally ill. Thank the economy crash for that.

The general stereotype of the homeless as alcohol and drug addicted bums in the United States is what I was referring to.


Now I know you're on something new.
 
2013-05-25 10:47:11 PM

hardinparamedic: In other news, submitter continues the proud American tradition of treating homeless people as idiotic cretins who surprise people when they demonstrate that they are actually human beings.


Actually the subby was probably thinking that even in the face of severe adversity people can accomplish amazing goals. After all, do you suppose it's easier to become the valedictorian if you're living in a nice stable house with plenty of food and shelter or if you're not entirely sure where you're going to sleep to night and where your next meal is coming from?
 
2013-05-25 10:47:11 PM
I come from decent socioeconomic status.  If I had done well enough in my high school AP classes to start college as a farking junior, my parents would have shat themselves.  I got good grades, but this is ridiculous.
 
2013-05-25 10:47:23 PM
Fifty-two posts in and nobody has asked who she farked to get to the top.  Farkers, you used to be contenders!
 
2013-05-25 10:48:03 PM
I was sorta homeless once.

I grew up in West Philadelphia. Got in some trouble and my Mama kicked me out. If it wasn't for my Uncle Phil who took me in, and gave me a fresh chance. I don't know where I would be.
 
2013-05-25 10:48:04 PM
Whats so amazing? Id be more impressed if she had hbo, xbox, twitter, a mailbox...
 
2013-05-25 10:48:10 PM

MadTheologian: 1900 in her SAT? Man, how times change. What's the old school SAT equivalent? I thought I was damn lucky with my 1400.

I really hope she and her sister have continued success, and actually get out of poverty.


1266.  Decent, but not that impressive, actually.  I would expect better from a valedictorian.
 
2013-05-25 10:49:20 PM

Begoggle: with a 4.466 GPA

4.0 should be the maximum possible.
This tells me there are all kinds of joke honors classes that give bonus points, which makes this completely unimpressive.


It is literally grade inflation.  A "B" fifteen years ago would be an "A" today, et cetera.
 
2013-05-25 10:49:54 PM
If I had only known! I would have taken in both her and her sister, given them food, shelter, and clothing. But not the mom, I doubt she is cute.
 
2013-05-25 10:51:27 PM
Excellent.  This is a story against which I will not be cynical.

Hopefully, this takes away the excuse from some people who consider it too difficult and use her as an example of something they, too, in similar situations can accomplish.

You go, girl.
 
2013-05-25 10:52:00 PM

Harry_Seldon: I was sorta homeless once.

I grew up in West Philadelphia. Got in some trouble and my Mama kicked me out. If it wasn't for my Uncle Phil who took me in, and gave me a fresh chance. I don't know where I would be.


Were you wasting your days shooting BBall?
 
2013-05-25 10:52:29 PM

hasty ambush: Well it looks like her and her sister will break free of the multi-generational dependency class created by the Federal Welfare system-good for them.


Not when the HRs look at their resumes, and see that they have no home address.  Javert had nothing on HRs.
 
2013-05-25 10:54:10 PM

hasty ambush: Well it looks like her and her sister will break free of the multi-generational dependency class created by the Federal Welfare system-good for them.


Yeah. Everyone's homeless by choice. If only they were more bootstrappy. They could pull themselves up.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-25 11:01:51 PM

Begoggle: with a 4.466 GPA

4.0 should be the maximum possible.
This tells me there are all kinds of joke honors classes that give bonus points, which makes this completely unimpressive.


HotWingAgenda: Begoggle: with a 4.466 GPA

4.0 should be the maximum possible.
This tells me there are all kinds of joke honors classes that give bonus points, which makes this completely unimpressive.

It is literally grade inflation.  A "B" fifteen years ago would be an "A" today, et cetera.


[citation needed]
 
2013-05-25 11:02:07 PM

hardinparamedic: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Because that's what one thinks of when you hear "17 year old homeless girl"?  Come on now.  Maybe you think that of their parents if you're a knee jerk asshole, but even "they probably did something to deserve it" assholes-who-can't-or-won't-grasp-there-but-for-the-grace-of-God-go-I usually have an exception in their heart for kids.

How long have you been on FARK, now? 9 years?

You know better than that.


Such a wretched internet posting faux pas, how will I ever recover.
 
2013-05-25 11:03:49 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: hardinparamedic: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Because that's what one thinks of when you hear "17 year old homeless girl"?  Come on now.  Maybe you think that of their parents if you're a knee jerk asshole, but even "they probably did something to deserve it" assholes-who-can't-or-won't-grasp-there-but-for-the-grace-of-God-go-I usually have an exception in their heart for kids.

How long have you been on FARK, now? 9 years?

You know better than that.

Such a wretched internet posting faux pas, how will I ever recover.


It's okay. I brought you a cookie to make peace. It's got sprinkles.
 
2013-05-25 11:04:24 PM

flak attack: Begoggle: with a 4.466 GPA

4.0 should be the maximum possible.
This tells me there are all kinds of joke honors classes that give bonus points, which makes this completely unimpressive.

HotWingAgenda: Begoggle: with a 4.466 GPA

4.0 should be the maximum possible.
This tells me there are all kinds of joke honors classes that give bonus points, which makes this completely unimpressive.

It is literally grade inflation.  A "B" fifteen years ago would be an "A" today, et cetera.

[citation needed]


Sorry, that was supposed to include the picture
  25.media.tumblr.com

But for some reason Fark decided that a link with a .jpg extension wasn't an image.
 
2013-05-25 11:06:58 PM

HotWingAgenda: I come from decent socioeconomic status.  If I had done well enough in my high school AP classes to start college as a farking junior, my parents would have shat themselves.  I got good grades, but this is ridiculous.


Don't worry.  Whatever degree she chooses probably has pre-reqs that can't possibly be done in less than 3 years, much less 2.  Unless she chooses an English major, in which case, good luck not being homeless.

/Sorry about the easy English major dig
//went into college as a sophomore but there was no saavy scheduling that could have gotten me out in less than 4 with my chosen major, even with the head start.
 
2013-05-25 11:08:40 PM

hardinparamedic: Harry_Seldon: I was sorta homeless once.

I grew up in West Philadelphia. Got in some trouble and my Mama kicked me out. If it wasn't for my Uncle Phil who took me in, and gave me a fresh chance. I don't know where I would be.

Were you wasting your days shooting BBall?


I got in one little fight.
 
2013-05-25 11:08:46 PM

hardinparamedic: It's okay. I brought you a cookie to make peace. It's got sprinkles.


Do the sprinkles contain potassium benzoate?
 
2013-05-25 11:09:33 PM

Harry_Seldon: I got in one little fight.


Did your mom get scared?
 
2013-05-25 11:17:42 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Fifty-two posts in and nobody has asked who she farked to get to the top.  Farkers, you used to be contenders!


Well when I read the part about here going to college two years ahead of time I thought about saying something but well .... there's a 1000+ post from yesterday still going on ; )
 
2013-05-25 11:19:47 PM

BumpInTheNight: Good for her and may she be an inspiration to others.

/Meanwhile, its pretty sad when its newsworthy that someone of less economic means manages to out-do her more financially stable peers at the high school level
//America, as long as 'socialism' is a swear word; your culture will not evolve


America tried socialism. It didn't really work out all that well.

/Purely socialist societies tend to fail.
//Miserably.
 
2013-05-25 11:22:47 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Harry_Seldon: I got in one little fight.

Did your mom get scared?


And I'm sure they made him move in with his Auntie and uncle in Bel-Aire.
 
2013-05-25 11:23:24 PM
This is pretty inspiring, except that being valedictorian of a Georgian high school is equivalent to getting straight Ds in the developmentally disabled classes at most other high schools. Just sayin'.
 
2013-05-25 11:24:08 PM

Savage Belief: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Harry_Seldon: I got in one little fight.

Did your mom get scared?

And I'm sure they made him move in with his Auntie and uncle in Bel-Aire.


I hear the real story was the cabbie ; )
 
2013-05-25 11:28:22 PM
i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-25 11:45:28 PM

I_Am_Weasel: hardinparamedic: In other news, submitter continues the proud American tradition of treating homeless people as idiotic cretins who surprise people when they demonstrate that they are actually human beings.

No, but they have other things to deal with that makes schooling more difficult, so it is a nice story when they can overcome the challenges.


Additionally, if she can do it then anyone can and I no longer need to feel guilty about not helping the homeless since the ones who are not high-acheiving must obviously be lazy.
 
2013-05-25 11:46:20 PM

flak attack: Begoggle: with a 4.466 GPA

4.0 should be the maximum possible.
This tells me there are all kinds of joke honors classes that give bonus points, which makes this completely unimpressive.

HotWingAgenda: Begoggle: with a 4.466 GPA

4.0 should be the maximum possible.
This tells me there are all kinds of joke honors classes that give bonus points, which makes this completely unimpressive.

It is literally grade inflation.  A "B" fifteen years ago would be an "A" today, et cetera.

[citation needed]


Really?  Let me google that for you.  Here.  And here.
 
2013-05-25 11:53:01 PM
I call bullschitt on this.  If she was homeless then how the fark did she do her homework?  Hmmm?
 
2013-05-25 11:55:49 PM
flak attack:

It is literally grade inflation.  A "B" fifteen years ago would be an "A" today, et cetera.

[citation needed]


Uhh, anyone who graduates with anything over a 4.0, dumbass.
 
2013-05-25 11:57:50 PM
Savage Belief:

America tried socialism. It didn't really work out all that well.

/Purely socialist societies tend to fail.
//Miserably.


When did 'America' try?   Which purely socialist societies are you referring?
 
2013-05-26 12:03:21 AM

MNguy: flak attack:

It is literally grade inflation.  A "B" fifteen years ago would be an "A" today, et cetera.

[citation needed]

Uhh, anyone who graduates with anything over a 4.0, dumbass.


So what about those people 15 years ago who graduated with a GPA over 4.0?  Was that, too, a case of grade inflation?  Does that mean that an A today was actually a C thirty years ago?  And thirty years before that it was a D? Wow.  You are a genius.  Well, a genius 75 years ago, but a genius none the less!
 
2013-05-26 12:11:02 AM
Mock26:
So what about those people 15 years ago who graduated with a GPA over 4.0?  Was that, too, a case of grade inflation?  Does that mean that an A today was actually a C thirty years ago?  And thirty years before that it was a D? Wow.  You are a genius.  Well, a genius 75 years ago, but a genius none the less!

Anything above an 'A' is grade inflation, I would think.   We should just use IQ tests for college admission.
 
2013-05-26 12:16:08 AM
In all seriousness I should say I did spend time homeless in my old beat up VW when I was in my early 20's, yea lived a lot of the kindness of friends back then. I can't imagine getting through school doing that.
 
2013-05-26 12:17:04 AM

hasty ambush: Well it looks like her and her sister will break free of the multi-generational dependency class created by the Federal Welfare system-good for them.


Have you actually visited poor areas or dealt with section 8?  People like the ones mentioned in the article are an *extreme* minority.
 
2013-05-26 12:26:36 AM
The truly depressing part of all this is when we actually hear conservatives use this girl as an example of how the rest of the homeless population are simply lazy, unwilling to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Paradoxically, her rather wonderful example will be used as a weapon to promote even more hostility against the poor. "See - if they only tried, they, too, could join the American Dream instead of just sucking from the government teat!"
 
2013-05-26 12:32:43 AM

MNguy: Mock26:
So what about those people 15 years ago who graduated with a GPA over 4.0?  Was that, too, a case of grade inflation?  Does that mean that an A today was actually a C thirty years ago?  And thirty years before that it was a D? Wow.  You are a genius.  Well, a genius 75 years ago, but a genius none the less!

Anything above an 'A' is grade inflation, I would think.   We should just use IQ tests for college admission.


Ever hear of a thing called extra credit?  That is how people bet a GPA over 4.0.
 
2013-05-26 12:35:18 AM

FormlessOne: The truly depressing part of all this is when we actually hear conservatives use this girl as an example of how the rest of the homeless population are simply lazy, unwilling to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Paradoxically, her rather wonderful example will be used as a weapon to promote even more hostility against the poor. "See - if they only tried, they, too, could join the American Dream instead of just sucking from the government teat!"


The problem is not that they are lazy, but rather that no one actually has boot straps any more!  All those homeless people usually wear shoes or sandals or something else, and even when they wear boots it is boots without boot straps.  So, yeah, you cannot pull yourself up by the boot straps if you do not have boots or boots with straps.
 
2013-05-26 12:37:34 AM

FormlessOne: The truly depressing part of all this is when we actually hear conservatives use this girl as an example of how the rest of the homeless population are simply lazy, unwilling to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Paradoxically, her rather wonderful example will be used as a weapon to promote even more hostility against the poor. "See - if they only tried, they, too, could join the American Dream instead of just sucking from the government teat!"


The counter to that is asking how the f--k this girl is going to pay for college if tuition keeps going up and grants keep getting slashed and burned or at best attached with threats to raise interest rates to stupid levels as a pawn in a negotiating game.

My dad didn't grow up homeless, but he grew up damn poor son of immigrants in Detroit.  He was bootstrappy to the nth degree (worked continuously since he was 14, save two periods of unemployment during recessions, and even then he took whatever temp job he could, studied like mad to get into a decent college, etc) and that's why I got to grow up in a middle class household with a garden in the back for pleasure, not because our family needed it or we'd starve.

But he got a full tuition scholarship based on economic hardship and scholastic achievement to my eventual alma mater.  He still had to work his way through full time to pay for rent and food.  Unless you find a magical job that pays you far above the already comparatively high minimum wage in this state, that isn't actually possible anymore. Maybe if you sleep in your car or the library and take showers at the gym, but even then - the lack of *economic* diversity was pretty damn evident when I was in college.
 
2013-05-26 12:39:31 AM

Mock26: MNguy: Mock26:
So what about those people 15 years ago who graduated with a GPA over 4.0?  Was that, too, a case of grade inflation?  Does that mean that an A today was actually a C thirty years ago?  And thirty years before that it was a D? Wow.  You are a genius.  Well, a genius 75 years ago, but a genius none the less!

Anything above an 'A' is grade inflation, I would think.   We should just use IQ tests for college admission.

Ever hear of a thing called extra credit?  That is how people bet a GPA over 4.0.


Real answer is extra points for advanced classes.  Otherwise you could slide though on a schedule filled with easy classes and be ranked just above the kid who took AP Calc and Physics and got an A- instead of an A.
 
2013-05-26 12:45:06 AM
I assume the nitwits in this thread going on about grade inflation were the same ones pulling 'A's' while drawing penises in their General Math textbooks while the real students were killing it in AP Calculus.  Newsflash - some classes are more rigorous than others, this necessitating an altered grading scale

/Normalization?  How does that work?
 
2013-05-26 12:48:13 AM

BumpInTheNight: Good for her and may she be an inspiration to others.

/Meanwhile, its pretty sad when its newsworthy that someone of less economic means manages to out-do her more financially stable peers at the high school level
//America, as long as 'socialism' is a swear word; your culture will not evolve


I hope every parent of a student at that school lucky enough to have a home turns to their kid and asks, " Why aren't you valedictorian? What's she got that you haven't got?"
 
2013-05-26 12:50:03 AM
Extra credit is supposed to raise your C+ to a B-.  But I guess some people really like overachieving, or thinking that they are.  Achieving. Anything.
 
2013-05-26 12:52:23 AM

emersonbiggins: I assume the nitwits in this thread going on about grade inflation were the same ones pulling 'A's' while drawing penises in their General Math textbooks while the real students were killing it in AP Calculus.  Newsflash - some classes are more rigorous than others, this necessitating an altered grading scale

/Normalization?  How does that work?


Good for you.  Tell me about your GPA big guy.  Tell me.
 
2013-05-26 12:57:18 AM
Yeah, I was almost valedictorian but I had a home with a nice comfy bed so I kept falling asleep when I should have been studying and sleeping in in the morning. Some people are so lucky.
 
2013-05-26 12:59:16 AM

MNguy: emersonbiggins: I assume the nitwits in this thread going on about grade inflation were the same ones pulling 'A's' while drawing penises in their General Math textbooks while the real students were killing it in AP Calculus.  Newsflash - some classes are more rigorous than others, this necessitating an altered grading scale

/Normalization?  How does that work?

Good for you.  Tell me about your GPA big guy.  Tell me.


AP was only starting to come in towards the end of my high school career, so mine was a ridiculously low 4.13.  8" with 6" girth.  Canadian girlfriend.
 
2013-05-26 01:16:47 AM
emersonbiggins:

AP was only starting to come in towards the end of my high school career, so mine was a ridiculously low 4.13.  8" with 6" girth.  Canadian girlfriend.

Sorry. the echo from your mother's vagina made that difficult to hear.  Some of us come loud.
 
2013-05-26 01:22:51 AM

MNguy: emersonbiggins:

AP was only starting to come in towards the end of my high school career, so mine was a ridiculously low 4.13.  8" with 6" girth.  Canadian girlfriend.

Sorry. the echo from your mother's vagina made that difficult to hear.  Some of us come loud.


Touché
 
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