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(Des Moines Register)   Man gets fifteen months in prison and a $56,000 fine for cutting down more than two dozen black walnut trees   (desmoinesregister.com) divider line 107
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2013-05-25 03:32:14 PM  

AGremlin: [i668.photobucket.com image 265x236]



Well..you should visit Monticello...Apparently Thomas Jefferson planted quite a few,of the lesser known..red black walnut trees.
 
2013-05-25 03:36:14 PM  
s22.postimg.org
 
2013-05-25 03:36:31 PM  

A Terrible Human: Mock26: cherryl taggart: A Terrible Human: If it was chestnut trees I'd totally understand. They have those horrible spikey things around them. I have fond memories of being a kid and never being able to play in the back yard cause of them. >:[

Are you talking about a sweet gum tree?  Those vile little spike balls that sprout when you look at them?  My stupid neighbors think they have some sort of exotic maple, because the leaves look somewhat like a maple.  I want to go over there and pour rock salt all over that yard.  I spend hours pulling up those horrid little saplings from everywhere.  And no barefoot walks in the soft backyard, because they hide in the grass we keep at 2.5 inches.

He is probably talking about horse chestnuts:


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I've never seen horse chestnuts. This is what I was talking about
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Those are soft and comfy compared to a horse chestnut.
 
2013-05-25 03:40:42 PM  
The article doesn't mention what he was doing with the trees but a good 12' log that calipers 16" or better is worth a good deal of money.   A lot depends on how straight it is, how tight the bark is, etc. but a couple thousand per log isn't out of the question.  Then, if you have veneer quality logs, they can get downright expensive.  So neither the fine nor the prison term is out of line.

While what others have said about the trees' messiness and allelopathic properties is true, it does make beautiful furniture, grandfather clocks, etc.
 
2013-05-25 03:42:48 PM  

Mr. Right: The article doesn't mention what he was doing with the trees but a good 12' log that calipers 16" or better is worth a good deal of money.   A lot depends on how straight it is, how tight the bark is, etc. but a couple thousand per log isn't out of the question.  Then, if you have veneer quality logs, they can get downright expensive.  So neither the fine nor the prison term is out of line.

While what others have said about the trees' messiness and allelopathic properties is true, it does make beautiful furniture, grandfather clocks, etc.


  and milk shakes..
 
2013-05-25 03:45:29 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: PacificaFitz: Quantum Apostrophe: Puckmarin: Have you ever lived around a black walnut tree?  I don't blame him for cutting them down.   Horrible, dirty, smelly trees.

[thegeekydream.files.wordpress.com image 600x450]

now sure which one of you are racist, or are you both....

Hey some of my best friends are black. I just hide the good cutlery when I invite them over.


That and your mom.
 
2013-05-25 03:46:35 PM  

Puckmarin: Have you ever lived around a black walnut tree?  I don't blame him for cutting them down.  Horrible, dirty, smelly trees.


This.  Also, come fall the huge husks dropping and hitting the ground sounds like someone dropping concrete blocks off an overpass.  You'll be THIS CLOSE to falling asleep and then Wham! Five or so of 'em will let loose almost at once.
 
2013-05-25 03:55:31 PM  
ih3.redbubble.net
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
 
2013-05-25 04:05:26 PM  

Peepeye: The fine is enough. Prison time seems a little too much.




Hey, at least we get to feed, shelter, and provide medical services, for 15 months. So, we have that going for us.
 
2013-05-25 04:08:02 PM  
Good. If anything, he got off lightly.
 
2013-05-25 04:16:04 PM  

Mock26: A Terrible Human: Mock26: cherryl taggart: A Terrible Human: If it was chestnut trees I'd totally understand. They have those horrible spikey things around them. I have fond memories of being a kid and never being able to play in the back yard cause of them. >:[

Are you talking about a sweet gum tree?  Those vile little spike balls that sprout when you look at them?  My stupid neighbors think they have some sort of exotic maple, because the leaves look somewhat like a maple.  I want to go over there and pour rock salt all over that yard.  I spend hours pulling up those horrid little saplings from everywhere.  And no barefoot walks in the soft backyard, because they hide in the grass we keep at 2.5 inches.

He is probably talking about horse chestnuts:


[img.photobucket.com image 425x368]

I've never seen horse chestnuts. This is what I was talking about
[i.imgur.com image 800x534]

Those are soft and comfy compared to a horse chestnut.


uh, no they're not. Horse Chestnuts (aka buckeyes) have, as your picture shows, a few spikes around the shell. Unpleasant to step on, for sure, but regular (edible) chestnuts have, as the picture shows, hundreds of stiff needles. They hurt like a mofo.

As for the earlier poster's neighbor with the maple tree, I doubt it's an exotic maple. Most maples sprout readily, so the ground around pretty much any maple tree is going to be littered with newly sprouted trees. Most of them don't ever get to be more than a couple inches tall, and a lawnmower will take care of them- they don't resprout.
 
2013-05-25 04:19:16 PM  

Puckmarin: Have you ever lived around a black walnut tree?  I don't blame him for cutting them down.  Horrible, dirty, smelly trees.


The one I had was clean and articulate.
 
2013-05-25 04:20:29 PM  

Hongcouver: Golf clap for the sappy tag subby.


Yup.  An iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg moment for me.
 
2013-05-25 04:23:19 PM  
I love the trees in what little yard I have but dammit when they bloom those beautiful pink and white flowers they are sooo damn slippery when it rains.
 
2013-05-25 04:35:48 PM  

Mr. Right: The article doesn't mention what he was doing with the trees but a good 12' log that calipers 16" or better is worth a good deal of money.   A lot depends on how straight it is, how tight the bark is, etc. but a couple thousand per log isn't out of the question.  Then, if you have veneer quality logs, they can get downright expensive.  So neither the fine nor the prison term is out of line.

While what others have said about the trees' messiness and allelopathic properties is true, it does make beautiful furniture, grandfather clocks, etc.


I fully understand why he was sentenced so severely for "just" cutting down 24 black walnut trees. The wood of those trees is highly prized by cabinet and furniture makers, and the fact that he cut down only black walnut trees tells me he knew exactly what to do with them. My dad had a couple of black walnut trees on our farm and one day a man offered him $500 just to cut down one of them; this was back in the early 70's as well.

/my dad said no
//said he'd rather let the tree live than let him cut it down
///tree is still there too
 
2013-05-25 05:00:12 PM  
Murderer. Throw away the key.

/druish
 
2013-05-25 05:06:54 PM  

fustanella: Murderer. Throw away the key.

/druish


Funny.  You don't look Druish.
 
2013-05-25 06:06:34 PM  
Fun fact: the wood from a single walnut tree can fetch $50,000.
 
2013-05-25 06:07:09 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Does he work for Gibson?


This guy was hacking trees.
 
2013-05-25 06:07:15 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Puckmarin: Have you ever lived around a black walnut tree?  I don't blame him for cutting them down.   Horrible, dirty, smelly trees.

[I see what you did there pic]



WOW....holy crap..how the F did you manage to decipher such an abstruse and bamboozling conundrum. I was discombobulated, enigmatized, and fuddled, until you made this clear, upon when i guffawed and howled insanely. Jesting  must come so easily to someone so loquacious and full of monkey-shines; that is,  for the possessor of such mirthful nature, obfuscation must present no quarry,nor rattle, nor surge tempestuously, nor undo and vex your usurping,wondering, xenophilic mind.

/a yeti...(gad)Zooks!
//yes, i was this bored
 
2013-05-25 06:08:37 PM  
I am the proud owner of 8 of those black walnut bastards.  Here's what they've done for me.
1. Prevented me from getting DirecTV
2. Given me a squirrel population of approximately 4000
3. Caused huge bare spots in my yard because grass won't grow under them.
4.  Prevented me from having a garden because
     a.  They block the sun
     b.  They make the soil toxic

So yeah.  When he's done with his prison time, he can come HERE.
 
2013-05-25 06:11:39 PM  

bonobo73: Peepeye: The fine is enough. Prison time seems a little too much.

This essentially grand theft. He was poaching off federal land to make $$$. I have no problem with this guy spending time in jail.


Particularly since, if the fine turned out to be "worth it" (once you figure in the probability of getting caught) considering the profit he made from the poached trees, it ceases to be a deterrant.  "Here's your $56,000; see you next month."
 
2013-05-25 06:12:47 PM  

poison_amy: I am the proud owner of 8 of those black walnut bastards.  Here's what they've done for me.
1. Prevented me from getting DirecTV
2. Given me a squirrel population of approximately 4000
3. Caused huge bare spots in my yard because grass won't grow under them.
4.  Prevented me from having a garden because
     a.  They block the sun
     b.  They make the soil toxic

So yeah.  When he's done with his prison time, he can come HERE.


Why don't you just get rid of them if they're yours?

 
2013-05-25 06:13:13 PM  
Good thing he didn't take out a bunch of Canadian Maples. I'm pretty sure that's a war crime.
 
2013-05-25 06:16:32 PM  
Maggie_Luna:


Why don't you just get rid of them if they're yours?

Seems like the logical solution, doesn't it!!  I've thought about it.

Because I live in an area where you really need to have trees.  Otherwise there are issues with snow, wind, sun...  all kinds of nonsense.  Need shade trees and shelterbelt trees.  If I took these out, I'd have to replace them and I could only buy saplings.  By the time they grew to useful trees, I would be gone.

My house is 118 years old.  None of the trees were planted by me.
 
2013-05-25 06:18:13 PM  

octopied: Good thing he didn't take out a bunch of Canadian Maples. I'm pretty sure that's a war crime.


12....13.....14 Maples! That's it, send in the Navy!
 
2013-05-25 06:19:24 PM  
www.counterweights.ca
 
2013-05-25 06:22:19 PM  

poison_amy: I am the proud owner of 8 of those black walnut bastards.


Sounds like you could make a quick $400,000 if you wanted to.
 
2013-05-25 06:33:10 PM  

crab66: fark him. Crimes like this should have harsher punishments than growing or smoking some pot in your own home.


It does.  Nobody in the history of Earth has ever gotten 15 months for (just) smoking weed in their home, much less the $56k fine.
 
2013-05-25 06:34:33 PM  
DOWN WITH TREES! DOWN WITH TREES!
 
2013-05-25 06:42:11 PM  
Sold one last year out of the yard that was 109" around. Got 2 more just as big but they aren't on top of the house, won't sell those.  Like someone above mentioned, dirtiest nastiest trees around.
 
2013-05-25 06:48:55 PM  
The sentence is way too light.  Should be at LEAST a month per tree.  Preferably a year per tree.
 
2013-05-25 06:49:44 PM  

LL316: Nobody in the history of Earth has ever gotten 15 months for (just) smoking weed in their home


Care to put money on that?
 
2013-05-25 07:05:37 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Does he work for Gibson?


Walnut is a wood far better suited to gunstocks as opposed to guitar bodies.

Hardrock birdseye maple or high quality swamp ash is another matter.
 
2013-05-25 07:05:41 PM  

poison_amy: Because I live in an area where you really need to have trees. Otherwise there are issues with snow, wind, sun... all kinds of nonsense. Need shade trees and shelterbelt trees. If I took these out, I'd have to replace them and I could only buy saplings. By the time they grew to useful trees, I would be gone.


you could thin them a bit... do 1 or 2. they're worth a pretty penny (as others have pointed out)
 
2013-05-25 07:10:16 PM  

Snarfangel: Puckmarin: Have you ever lived around a black walnut tree?  I don't blame him for cutting them down.  Horrible, dirty, smelly trees.

The one I had was clean and articulate.


Successful and attractive too?
 
2013-05-25 07:13:27 PM  
Dark that asshole.
 
Rat
2013-05-25 07:14:37 PM  
Article doesn't say what he used to cut them down, so I'm going to assume he used a herring.

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2013-05-25 07:44:51 PM  

Rat: Article doesn't say what he used to cut them down, so I'm going to assume he used a herring.

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We would know for sure if there was a path out back with some nice shrubberies alongside it.
 
2013-05-25 07:48:32 PM  

Greek: Most maples sprout readily, so the ground around pretty much any maple tree is going to be littered with newly sprouted trees.


It's unfortunate that maple leaves aren't edible by humans, because you could get some pretty large salads off of all the maple seedlings that spring up around here. And I'm not even in the burbs.
 
2013-05-25 08:31:27 PM  

CptnSpldng: GreatGlavinsGhost: Does he work for Gibson?

Walnut is a wood far better suited to gunstocks as opposed to guitar bodies.

Hardrock birdseye maple or high quality swamp ash is another matter.


Black walnut is a beautiful wood to build instruments out of, especially if it is well flamed and/or bookmatched:

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Or carved as a solidbody:

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/it has a bright tome, yes there are better woods acoustically but some prefer the look and tone.
 
2013-05-25 08:53:26 PM  
Cool Hand Luke nods in approval.
 
2013-05-25 08:57:27 PM  

flondrix: poison_amy: I am the proud owner of 8 of those black walnut bastards.

Sounds like you could make a quick $400,000 if you wanted to.


Black walnut sells for about $10 per board foot, much more for nice solid pieces.  It's so farking expensive that it's only for premium furniture and gunstocks and similar stuff.

This is $1,600.  So if you hate your black walnuts, I'd be happy to remove them.

www.oldtreegunblanks.com
 
2013-05-25 09:08:29 PM  

Pribar: CptnSpldng: GreatGlavinsGhost: Does he work for Gibson?

Walnut is a wood far better suited to gunstocks as opposed to guitar bodies.

Hardrock birdseye maple or high quality swamp ash is another matter.

Black walnut is a beautiful wood to build instruments out of, especially if it is well flamed and/or bookmatched:

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[i135.photobucket.com image 650x434]

Or carved as a solidbody:

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/it has a bright tome, yes there are better woods acoustically but some prefer the look and tone.



   Holy God...The black walnut Tele!
 
2013-05-25 09:38:03 PM  
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2013-05-25 09:39:43 PM  

Pribar: CptnSpldng: GreatGlavinsGhost: Does he work for Gibson?

Walnut is a wood far better suited to gunstocks as opposed to guitar bodies.

Hardrock birdseye maple or high quality swamp ash is another matter.

Black walnut is a beautiful wood to build instruments out of, especially if it is well flamed and/or bookmatched:

[i135.photobucket.com image 702x614]

[i135.photobucket.com image 650x434]

Or carved as a solidbody:

[i135.photobucket.com image 317x400]

/it has a bright tome, yes there are better woods acoustically but some prefer the look and tone.



Ooo, nice work!
 
2013-05-25 09:49:42 PM  

Full Metal Retard: Black walnut sells for about $10 per board foot, much more for nice solid pieces. It's so farking expensive that it's only for premium furniture and gunstocks and similar stuff.


Of course beautiful pieces like the pic you posted are going to be crazy expensive, but most of it doesn't look like that and should be a little cheaper. Still roughly double the cost of other domestic hardwoods, though.

Link to prices at my local wood place
 
2013-05-25 10:36:10 PM  
Having recently purchased one hundred board feet of black walnut, I can tell you this guy made some serious dollars.
 
2013-05-26 12:12:53 AM  
Waste taxpayer's money to put this guy in jail for cutting down trees,  yet give amnesty to people who enter this country illegally and drain immeasurable resources from the taxpayers.  What a country.
 
2013-05-26 01:54:34 AM  

sex0r: Waste taxpayer's money to put this guy in jail for cutting down trees,  yet give amnesty to people who enter this country illegally and drain immeasurable resources from the taxpayers.  What a country.


Yeah, a country nice enough to take care of the mentally challenged like you.
 
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