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2013-05-25 07:38:37 AM  
*FACEPALM*
 
2013-05-25 07:58:28 AM  
Watched it live and you couldn't tell that the pitcher caught it. They cut away, so we never saw that Moreland never gave the ball to Grimm

Umpires are taught to watch the bag and listen for the sound of the glove. Not that hard a mistake to make for an umpire. Seattle didn't even argue that the pitcher caught it, they asked about his foot being off the bag
 
2013-05-25 09:35:07 AM  
FFS
 
2013-05-25 09:37:21 AM  
Jeff Nelson. Shocking.
 
2013-05-25 09:47:49 AM  
Maybe I'm just not umpire material, but at normal speed I couldn't tell that the pitcher actually caught the ball.
 
2013-05-25 09:55:51 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Umpires are taught to watch the bag and listen for the sound of the glove. Not that hard a mistake to make for an umpire. Seattle didn't even argue that the pitcher caught it, they asked about his foot being off the bag


Yeah, it's really hard to fault the ump here. His eyes are/should be on the bag & waiting for the sound/watching for the batter's foot.  NOBODY would expect the pitcher to cut in front of the throw & grab the ball.

It's kind of cool actually.  Here we are 150ish years after the game got started, millions of games played (at all levels) & the players are still coming up with things that people have never seen nor imagined before.
 
2013-05-25 10:21:46 AM  

Recoil Therapy: Peter von Nostrand: Umpires are taught to watch the bag and listen for the sound of the glove. Not that hard a mistake to make for an umpire. Seattle didn't even argue that the pitcher caught it, they asked about his foot being off the bag

Yeah, it's really hard to fault the ump here. His eyes are/should be on the bag & waiting for the sound/watching for the batter's foot.  NOBODY would expect the pitcher to cut in front of the throw & grab the ball.

It's kind of cool actually.  Here we are 150ish years after the game got started, millions of games played (at all levels) & the players are still coming up with things that people have never seen nor imagined before.


Angel Hernandez blew a call in the White Sox game last night. The Sox announcer was had a mini melt down over it. MLB network guys were dying laughing over it
 
2013-05-25 10:27:21 AM  
I'd love to know what Grimm thought he was doing, placing his glove in front of his 1st Baseman's like that.  Stupid move for the backup guy, and should have busted the play.

And yes, the um is trained to watch the bag, not the glove.

That said, if you don't see it go in the glove, you should have the player show it to you in the glove before calling it.

Nabb1: Jeff Nelson. Shocking.


This as well.  That guy needs to be sent down for some brushing up.
 
2013-05-25 11:10:36 AM  
It's called a "neighborhood play" where you don't actually have to be ON the base.... *watches video*

Damn, son. What wrong you?
 
2013-05-25 11:24:41 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Angel Hernandez blew a call


Stop the presses.
 
2013-05-25 11:46:10 AM  
I wonder if they are not making these bad calls deliberately so that the instant replay rules revamped and its used more often.
 
2013-05-25 11:53:43 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Angel Hernandez blew a call in the White Sox game last night. The Sox announcer was had a mini melt down over it. MLB network guys were dying laughing over it


that "he gone" mortherfarker is annoying as shiat
 
2013-05-25 11:55:44 AM  

neuroflare: Peter von Nostrand: Angel Hernandez blew a call in the White Sox game last night. The Sox announcer was had a mini melt down over it. MLB network guys were dying laughing over it

that "he gone" mortherfarker is annoying as shiat


Ph, and Angel Hernandez is apparently paid to blow calls.
 
2013-05-25 12:03:50 PM  
Looks like the first basemen's foot came off the bag as well.
 
2013-05-25 12:11:57 PM  
Reason # 6,324,234 to revamp replay.

/ fark Jerry meals
// double fark Jim Joyce
 
2013-05-25 12:15:48 PM  

neuroflare: that "he gone" mortherfarker is annoying as shiat


You can put that on the board...... YES!
 
2013-05-25 12:17:22 PM  

soupafi: Reason # 6,324,234 to revamp replay.

/ fark Jerry meals
// double fark Jim Joyce


At least Jim Joyce admitted he was wrong.
 
2013-05-25 12:17:38 PM  
And don't you EVER flip your glove in anger anywhere near the ump like Brett Lawrie did last night after three outside strike calls or you and your manager will get tossed for being the Blue Jays.
 
2013-05-25 12:18:40 PM  
Nice job by Grimm faking out everyone and taking the 1B with him to the mound after helping him up.  Hell of a stretch too.  Completely blown call for the reasons other posters have already stated.
 
2013-05-25 12:22:36 PM  

soupafi: Reason # 6,324,234 to revamp replay.

/ fark Jerry meals
// double fark Jim Joyce


I just am not going to spend another 2 hours sitting in Safeco in April while the umps review every close call at every base.

BudTheSpud: And don't you EVER flip your glove in anger anywhere near the ump like Brett Lawrie did last night after three outside strike calls or you and your manager will get tossed for being the Blue Jays.


Getting tossed for arguing strikes and balls is a known quantity.
 
2013-05-25 12:23:16 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Angel Hernandez blew a call in the White Sox game last night. The Sox announcer was had a mini melt down over it. MLB network guys were dying laughing over it


http://mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=27405123&c_id=mlb
 
2013-05-25 12:32:14 PM  

wxboy: Peter von Nostrand: Angel Hernandez blew a call in the White Sox game last night. The Sox announcer was had a mini melt down over it. MLB network guys were dying laughing over it

http://mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=27405123&c_id=mlb


Seriously.  I understand that umps are human and will occasionally make mistakes, but Angel Hernandez is terrible.  (I will take my comments back if it is soon revealed he has a brain tumor that is affecting his decision-making skills or a degenerative eye disease that has advanced him to near-blindness.)
 
2013-05-25 12:32:14 PM  

MFAWG: soupafi: Reason # 6,324,234 to revamp replay.

/ fark Jerry meals
// double fark Jim Joyce

I just am not going to spend another 2 hours sitting in Safeco in April while the umps review every close call at every base.
BudTheSpud: And don't you EVER flip your glove in anger anywhere near the ump like Brett Lawrie did last night after three outside strike calls or you and your manager will get tossed for being the Blue Jays.

Getting tossed for arguing strikes and balls is a known quantity.


The first thing every baseball player is told: DO NOT ARGUE BALLS AND STRIKES. It will get you ejected right then and there, no ifs, ands, or buts.
 
2013-05-25 12:39:41 PM  
Calls like this can be resolved by umpire conferences, but that requires two things. Umpire humility and a willingness for managers to not flip shiat when a call is reversed via a conference.
 
2013-05-25 12:43:16 PM  

ClavellBCMI: MFAWG: soupafi: Reason # 6,324,234 to revamp replay.

/ fark Jerry meals
// double fark Jim Joyce

I just am not going to spend another 2 hours sitting in Safeco in April while the umps review every close call at every base.
BudTheSpud: And don't you EVER flip your glove in anger anywhere near the ump like Brett Lawrie did last night after three outside strike calls or you and your manager will get tossed for being the Blue Jays.

Getting tossed for arguing strikes and balls is a known quantity.

The first thing every baseball player is told: DO NOT ARGUE BALLS AND STRIKES. It will get you ejected right then and there, no ifs, ands, or buts.


If it's egregious like those calls were, go ahead and argue them. Just don't complain when you're tossed. You COULD take a page from Earl Weaver's book and make damn sure you give the fans a good show while you're at it.
 
2013-05-25 12:50:16 PM  

gimmegimme: wxboy: Peter von Nostrand: Angel Hernandez blew a call in the White Sox game last night. The Sox announcer was had a mini melt down over it. MLB network guys were dying laughing over it

http://mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=27405123&c_id=mlb

Seriously.  I understand that umps are human and will occasionally make mistakes, but Angel Hernandez is terrible.  (I will take my comments back if it is soon revealed he has a brain tumor that is affecting his decision-making skills or a degenerative eye disease that has advanced him to near-blindness.)


I don't follow baseball at all.  I've been to 4 MLB games in 30 years; probably only watched a total of 15 innings in various sports bars, etc etc etc. Despite an almost total lack of interest in baseball; I still have heard of Angel Hernandez being absolutely terrible.
 
2013-05-25 12:54:23 PM  
I can't fault the Ump and this is a classic fun baseball play.  Quirky play that fools the Ump and I bet half of those in the crowd. This is one that will make the funniest play in baseball books.
 
2013-05-25 01:22:14 PM  

wxboy: Peter von Nostrand: Angel Hernandez blew a call in the White Sox game last night. The Sox announcer was had a mini melt down over it. MLB network guys were dying laughing over it

http://mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=27405123&c_id=mlb


Angel Hernandez is horrible but that announcer is a total douchebag with no professionalism.
 
2013-05-25 01:22:29 PM  

BudTheSpud: And don't you EVER flip your glove in anger anywhere near the ump like Brett Lawrie did last night after three outside strike calls or you and your manager will get tossed for being the Blue Jays.


He gets more shiaty calls than any player I've ever seen. Did he fark every umps daughter?

Cb bucknor ruined last week's game with the rays. We won and I still felt horrible.
 
2013-05-25 01:26:08 PM  

ClavellBCMI: MFAWG: soupafi: Reason # 6,324,234 to revamp replay.

/ fark Jerry meals
// double fark Jim Joyce

I just am not going to spend another 2 hours sitting in Safeco in April while the umps review every close call at every base.
BudTheSpud: And don't you EVER flip your glove in anger anywhere near the ump like Brett Lawrie did last night after three outside strike calls or you and your manager will get tossed for being the Blue Jays.

Getting tossed for arguing strikes and balls is a known quantity.

The first thing every baseball player is told: DO NOT ARGUE BALLS AND STRIKES. It will get you ejected right then and there, no ifs, ands, or buts.


Unless you're the Yankees.

It's not so bad this year but usually jeter, a-rod, and the like are allowed to stay up there for a minute and argue.
 
2013-05-25 01:27:23 PM  
It's time for a fundamental change to baseball replay.  Have an extra umpire in a replay booth who can look at the footage in a timely manner and tell the home plate umpire what the replay shows.
 
2013-05-25 01:30:24 PM  
I'll give MLB credit...they have been doing a pretty good job of putting up for display on the net, disputed called that go against the umps.
 
2013-05-25 01:32:47 PM  
Yeah, haters and subby, I'd like to see you decipher that in real time in a hurry with no instant replay from the angle of facing home plate from behind first.
 
2013-05-25 01:33:59 PM  

violentsalvation: Angel Hernandez is horrible but that announcer is a total douchebag with no professionalism.


Hawk Harrelson is a total douche, and that call of his last night wouldn't scratch his top 10 of stupid calls.  If I lived in Chicago I would be a Cubs fan just because of him.  Same with the radio broadcasters for the Yanks would make a Mets fan.  John Sterling's home run calls are absolutely atrocious and then you combine him with Suzyn (Goodness Gracious) Waldman....lets just say I think one of the rings of hell is listening to non stop Yankee radio broadcasts.
 
2013-05-25 01:41:05 PM  

Myria: Yeah, haters and subby, I'd like to see you decipher that in real time in a hurry with no instant replay from the angle of facing home plate from behind first.


If only there were some way to very quickly verify whether or not a bang-bang call is correct...
 
2013-05-25 01:43:15 PM  
Terrible call. Plus: gotta touch the bag, every time. I'm looking at you, shortstops and second basemen.
 
2013-05-25 01:45:35 PM  

feanorn: Terrible call. Plus: gotta touch the bag, every time. I'm looking at you, shortstops and second basemen.


That's really not in the best interest of the game. I'd rather not see them on the dl once a month cause they keep rolling their ankles
 
2013-05-25 01:46:55 PM  

MFAWG: soupafi: Reason # 6,324,234 to revamp replay.

/ fark Jerry meals
// double fark Jim Joyce

I just am not going to spend another 2 hours sitting in Safeco in April while the umps review every close call at every base.


So you'd rather spend two extra hours at Safeco watching managers run to the field to to argue a bad call?  With futile results?

Super-close calls are more rare than we think and if replay gets it right then I say "Join the 20th century, MLB."
 
2013-05-25 01:55:47 PM  

Wadded Beef: Super-close calls are more rare than we think and if replay gets it right then I say "Join the 20th century, MLB."


I want more replay and automated balls and strikes.  Honestly think it would speed the game up rather than slow it down.
 
2013-05-25 01:56:57 PM  
When baseball is interested in fair outcomes, I might become interested in baseball again.
 
2013-05-25 02:00:19 PM  

thecpt: feanorn: Terrible call. Plus: gotta touch the bag, every time. I'm looking at you, shortstops and second basemen.

That's really not in the best interest of the game. I'd rather not see them on the dl once a month cause they keep rolling their ankles


Then there needs to be a way to make the calls consistent from play to play. I'm not sure how that could be done with an area rule, unless you paint a circle around the bag, and then...that doesn't work so well, either.
 
2013-05-25 02:05:50 PM  

feanorn: thecpt: feanorn: Terrible call. Plus: gotta touch the bag, every time. I'm looking at you, shortstops and second basemen.

That's really not in the best interest of the game. I'd rather not see them on the dl once a month cause they keep rolling their ankles

Then there needs to be a way to make the calls consistent from play to play. I'm not sure how that could be done with an area rule, unless you paint a circle around the bag, and then...that doesn't work so well, either.


Fair enough. A circle could also prevent bs takedown slides at second when the runner goes 5 ft away from the bag.

I know it's "part of the game" but I hate seeing players go down like that.
 
2013-05-25 02:14:36 PM  
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2013-05-25 02:38:40 PM  

Ring of Fire: Looks like the first basemen's foot came off the bag as well.


This. At the moment the runner tags, the baseman's foot slides off.

The call was blown either way.
 
2013-05-25 02:40:33 PM  

thecpt: ClavellBCMI: MFAWG: soupafi: Reason # 6,324,234 to revamp replay.

/ fark Jerry meals
// double fark Jim Joyce

I just am not going to spend another 2 hours sitting in Safeco in April while the umps review every close call at every base.
BudTheSpud: And don't you EVER flip your glove in anger anywhere near the ump like Brett Lawrie did last night after three outside strike calls or you and your manager will get tossed for being the Blue Jays.

Getting tossed for arguing strikes and balls is a known quantity.

The first thing every baseball player is told: DO NOT ARGUE BALLS AND STRIKES. It will get you ejected right then and there, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Unless you're the Yankees.

It's not so bad this year but usually jeter, a-rod, and the like are allowed to stay up there for a minute and argue.


It's the one time when umps show restraint- pretty much any player can stand there and argue for a bit, as long as it looks like they're just talking and the hitter isn't being bombastic or showy.  Most umps will give even a recent minor league call-up that much.  The minute any player, even superstars, gets a little visually worked up, though, then that player will get the hook more often than not.

Lawrie does not strike me as the type of player who would keep his emotions in check, hence why he gets booted pretty quickly.
 
2013-05-25 02:46:19 PM  

Myria: Yeah, haters and subby, I'd like to see you decipher that in real time in a hurry with no instant replay from the angle of facing home plate from behind first.


Which is exactly the point. There should be a system in place so that they don't have to be deciphered in real time. The announcers had figured out that the call was wrong before the pitcher made it back to the mound. If someone was sitting with a bank of monitors with the sole purpose of confirming calls using replay it would rarely impact the length of the game. It is much easier to do this in baseball than football, because there are far fewer things you need to watch at any given time, basically just the ball and any runners, after that the players are all basically irrelevant to the rules.

I would also limit player/manager arguments on reviewed calls, and add an actual punishment if they break the limits
 
2013-05-25 02:47:01 PM  
Props to the first announcer, who got it right before seeing the replay.
 
2013-05-25 02:47:46 PM  

ClavellBCMI: The first thing every baseball player is told: DO NOT ARGUE BALLS AND STRIKES. It will get you ejected right then and there, no ifs, ands, or buts.


Or you can handle it like Angel Hernandez did after Josh Reddick got called out on strikes and threw his bat; don't toss the player, just make sure that every close call for the rest of the series goes against that team, even an obvious home run. I never question an umpire's integrity, but for Hernandez I'll make an exception. He's crooked, and should never draw another MLB paycheck.
 
2013-05-25 02:48:01 PM  

dywed88: Myria: Yeah, haters and subby, I'd like to see you decipher that in real time in a hurry with no instant replay from the angle of facing home plate from behind first.

Which is exactly the point. There should be a system in place so that they don't have to be deciphered in real time. The announcers had figured out that the call was wrong before the pitcher made it back to the mound. If someone was sitting with a bank of monitors with the sole purpose of confirming calls using replay it would rarely impact the length of the game. It is much easier to do this in baseball than football, because there are far fewer things you need to watch at any given time, basically just the ball and any runners, after that the players are all basically irrelevant to the rules.

I would also limit player/manager arguments on reviewed calls, and add an actual punishment if they break the limits


I've seen people call what you're saying a "review umpire."  They see the TV feeds and can easily and quickly fix any egregious errors.
 
2013-05-25 02:52:26 PM  

nein: thecpt: ClavellBCMI: MFAWG: soupafi: Reason # 6,324,234 to revamp replay.

/ fark Jerry meals
// double fark Jim Joyce

I just am not going to spend another 2 hours sitting in Safeco in April while the umps review every close call at every base.
BudTheSpud: And don't you EVER flip your glove in anger anywhere near the ump like Brett Lawrie did last night after three outside strike calls or you and your manager will get tossed for being the Blue Jays.

Getting tossed for arguing strikes and balls is a known quantity.

The first thing every baseball player is told: DO NOT ARGUE BALLS AND STRIKES. It will get you ejected right then and there, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Unless you're the Yankees.

It's not so bad this year but usually jeter, a-rod, and the like are allowed to stay up there for a minute and argue.

It's the one time when umps show restraint- pretty much any player can stand there and argue for a bit, as long as it looks like they're just talking and the hitter isn't being bombastic or showy.  Most umps will give even a recent minor league call-up that much.  The minute any player, even superstars, gets a little visually worked up, though, then that player will get the hook more often than not.

Lawrie does not strike me as the type of player who would keep his emotions in check, hence why he gets booted pretty quickly.


Oh, undoubtedly he is emotional. I'm saying he gets the shiattiest calls on outside pitches. Every time it's outside and within 3 inches of the it's instantly called
 
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