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(TMZ)   Scott Weiland is unreliable? Looking at his past I'm not sure what would have given you that idea   (tmz.com) divider line 60
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2013-05-25 07:44:54 AM  
FTFA: The band claims Weiland sabotaged it's 20th anniversary tour by being chronically late for performances and missing promotional gigs.

 Yeah, that's nothing new. We went to see STP at Docks in Hamburg in 1994 (the tickets were a gift; I wasn't really a fan). I still fondly recall it as the worst concert I've ever attended.


The doors opened at 8, the show was supposed to start at 9. The band came out at a quarter to midnight, with Weiland visibly wrecked. The band started playing and Weiland couldn't do much more than groan incoherently into the mike. Halfway through the third song, he toppled over and fell off the end of the stage, knocking himself unconscious and ending the concert.

/CSB, I know
 
2013-05-25 08:07:55 AM  
The DeLeo brothers have always been the talent in STP anyway.
 
2013-05-25 08:47:11 AM  
I remember when they were active and touring, and people generally thought they were a "meh" band. Now there seems to be this "OMG STP WERE GENIUSES!" revisionist history that I do not understand at all.
 
2013-05-25 09:27:31 AM  

ModernLuddite: I remember when they were active and touring, and people generally thought they were a "meh" band. Now there seems to be this "OMG STP WERE GENIUSES!" revisionist history that I do not understand at all.


I wouldn't go so far as that, but when Weiland was sober/in a good mood/on time, STP were a GREAT live band with a wealth of amazing songs. It'll be interesting to see what they do with Chester. Upon hearing of his hiring, I thought it was a strange mix but he's a powerhouse vocalist (seen him in both a tiny club and at MSG) and will be able to handle Weiland's vocal lines.

Weiland is... one in a long line of frontmen who are most obviously touched in the head. Guy does, has and always will live in his own reality.
 
2013-05-25 09:37:44 AM  
Now they're just being dicks.

You already fired him. Now just let it go.
 
2013-05-25 09:55:50 AM  
Saw them in Atlanta in 2000. Weiland wore an American flag and nothing else for the last song. As they were leaving the stage a bandmate ripped it off of him. A few thousand of us unexpectedly saw Scott Weiland's ass.
 
2013-05-25 09:59:37 AM  
I still remember during his Velvet Revolver days when Slash went "hey man, you need to back off a little bit on the drugs".   You know you've hit rock bottom when . . .
 
Slu
2013-05-25 10:18:26 AM  

ModernLuddite: I remember when they were active and touring, and people generally thought they were a "meh" band. Now there seems to be this "OMG STP WERE GENIUSES!" revisionist history that I do not understand at all.


I don't know about all that, but I do know that Purple is a farking great record that holds up well today.
 
2013-05-25 10:20:32 AM  
Chester from Linkin Park is their new singer? Couldn't be any worse than the ill advised "Army of Anyone" side project.
 
2013-05-25 10:25:13 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: FTFA: The band claims Weiland sabotaged it's 20th anniversary tour by being chronically late for performances and missing promotional gigs.

 Yeah, that's nothing new. We went to see STP at Docks in Hamburg in 1994 (the tickets were a gift; I wasn't really a fan). I still fondly recall it as the worst concert I've ever attended.


The doors opened at 8, the show was supposed to start at 9. The band came out at a quarter to midnight, with Weiland visibly wrecked. The band started playing and Weiland couldn't do much more than groan incoherently into the mike. Halfway through the third song, he toppled over and fell off the end of the stage, knocking himself unconscious and ending the concert.

/CSB, I know


My brother went to one in Orlando around the time Purple came out. It said "rain or shine" on the advert. Of course, it rained and they cancelled. Buncha lying pussies.
 
2013-05-25 10:27:00 AM  
STP live (when Scott was sober) was sort of like how Soundgarden lis ive in terms is quality. It was rare for them to ever be mixed correctly or sound great. Vocals are usually harsh as hell and completely over amplified over the music while the music itself was usually completely flat with little to no ambiance or bass. It was always as if someone was playing music and someone just ran up to random hot mic and started belting out shiat out of tune.
 
2013-05-25 10:27:49 AM  

Slu: ModernLuddite: I remember when they were active and touring, and people generally thought they were a "meh" band. Now there seems to be this "OMG STP WERE GENIUSES!" revisionist history that I do not understand at all.

I don't know about all that, but I do know that Purple is a farking great record that holds up well today.


Listening to it as I type.
 
2013-05-25 10:29:09 AM  
Saw them after their "reunion" a few years back in KC.  Weiland's voice was shot so it ruined all the great tunes and great playing by the rest of the band, so you've got the crowd picking up the slack with the singing which strangely was irritating as shiat.  Somewhere in the middle of this Wieland gets up to the mic and thanks all of us for still "believing in rock and roll" as if he's the last one to carry the torch.  Kinda shiat on my younger days of playing the crap out of Core and Purple.
 
2013-05-25 10:31:26 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: The doors opened at 8, the show was supposed to start at 9. The band came out at a quarter to midnight, with Weiland visibly wrecked. The band started playing and Weiland couldn't do much more than groan incoherently into the mike. Halfway through the third song, he toppled over and fell off the end of the stage, knocking himself unconscious and ending the concert.


"Goodnight, Springton.  There will be no encores."
 
2013-05-25 10:46:48 AM  

theurge14: Saw them after their "reunion" a few years back in KC.  Weiland's voice was shot so it ruined all the great tunes and great playing by the rest of the band, so you've got the crowd picking up the slack with the singing which strangely was irritating as shiat.  Somewhere in the middle of this Wieland gets up to the mic and thanks all of us for still "believing in rock and roll" as if he's the last one to carry the torch.  Kinda shiat on my younger days of playing the crap out of Core and Purple.


I understand your consternation but a shiatty concert experience shouldn't diminish your memories of those albums. They're both classics.
 
2013-05-25 10:57:09 AM  
fc00.deviantart.net

Could offer some sage advice to STP were he still alive.
 
2013-05-25 10:57:14 AM  

ModernLuddite: I remember when they were active and touring, and people generally thought they were a "meh" band. Now there seems to be this "OMG STP WERE GENIUSES!" revisionist history that I do not understand at all.


Geniuses? No, but when Weiland was on and not drunk, on the nod or both he was pretty good, and their studio stuff was (IMO) pretty decent. Weiland is pretty much Axl Rose 2.0. Decent singer once upon a time, but arrogant, has a piss poor attitude towards the fans, and pretty much incapable of performing worth a shiat anymore.
 
2013-05-25 11:02:05 AM  

ModernLuddite: I remember when they were active and touring, and people generally thought they were a "meh" band. Now there seems to be this "OMG STP WERE GENIUSES!" revisionist history that I do not understand at all.


eh, I always thought STP got way more hate than they deserved. I wouldn't call them genius, though.


certainly they could've found a better replacement than a farking Linkin Park singer, though..
 
2013-05-25 11:10:11 AM  

The new song is actually pretty decent.

http://snd.sc/10DWvQN

 
2013-05-25 11:26:51 AM  

darch: theurge14: Saw them after their "reunion" a few years back in KC.  Weiland's voice was shot so it ruined all the great tunes and great playing by the rest of the band, so you've got the crowd picking up the slack with the singing which strangely was irritating as shiat.  Somewhere in the middle of this Wieland gets up to the mic and thanks all of us for still "believing in rock and roll" as if he's the last one to carry the torch.  Kinda shiat on my younger days of playing the crap out of Core and Purple.

I understand your consternation but a shiatty concert experience shouldn't diminish your memories of those albums. They're both classics.


For the most part it doesn't but now every time I hear a STP song I remember that show.
 
rka
2013-05-25 11:51:05 AM  
Saw him with Velvet Revolver in what must have been one of his sober periods. The thing about Velvet Revolver was it always sounded like STP trying to do GNR covers. I could never separate his voice from STP nor Slash's guitar playing from GNR.

Alice in Chains (first tour with new singer) opened for them and that's who I was really there to see anyways.
 
2013-05-25 12:43:21 PM  

rka: Alice in Chains (first tour with new singer) opened for them and that's who I was really there to see anyways.


on this note: the new AIC is rather boring and unmemorable. It's a bit more cohesive where the last album was all over the place, but it doesn't have any stand out tracks.
 
2013-05-25 12:49:03 PM  

ModernLuddite: I remember when they were active and touring, and people generally thought they were a "meh" band. Now there seems to be this "OMG STP WERE GENIUSES!" revisionist history that I do not understand at all.


Now that a few years have passed, I think it's fair to say that there isn't much really timeless, memorable music from the early to mid '90s, especially as far as hard rock goes. I don't know what they were like as a live band, but that also becomes less important over time, and they had a few really solid studio albums. Basically, in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
 
2013-05-25 12:50:48 PM  
I don't get the whole "let's tour with a new lead singer and still go by our old name" thing.  As a fan, I can't get past that shiat in my head enough to actually buy tix and attend a show.  A band is the people who originally comprise it, but more so than any, it relies on the lead singer.

Red Hot Chili Peppers could go through a half-dozen guitarists, but they still remain mostly recognizable as RHCP because of their (admittedly not-so-great) lead singer.  If Keidis ever kicked the bucket, I wouldn't want to see them tour with Iggy Pop in the lead spot...I'd rather they hang up their instruments and call it a good run.

Bands that I can't go see now when they tour, because their lead singer died/quit/got fired:

-Sublime
-STP (first time I typed that, I accidentally hit the "O" button between the "T" and the "P" like God was sending a sign to the band)
-Most of the old 60s and 70s bands that are now made up of one of the original backing vocalists and a bunch of cover-band hacks.
 
2013-05-25 12:51:59 PM  

Two Dogs Farking: FTFA: The band claims Weiland sabotaged it's 20th anniversary tour by being chronically late for performances and missing promotional gigs.

 Yeah, that's nothing new. We went to see STP at Docks in Hamburg in 1994 (the tickets were a gift; I wasn't really a fan). I still fondly recall it as the worst concert I've ever attended.


The doors opened at 8, the show was supposed to start at 9. The band came out at a quarter to midnight, with Weiland visibly wrecked. The band started playing and Weiland couldn't do much more than groan incoherently into the mike. Halfway through the third song, he toppled over and fell off the end of the stage, knocking himself unconscious and ending the concert.

/CSB, I know



I went to see Megadeth in the early 90s.  It was just when Sex Type Thing was a hit.  STP were supposed to open the show, but they weren't in condition to play -- some lucky local metal band more used to playing in front of 50 people got rushed to the show and play in front of thousands.

When Megadeth were playing, Dave Mustaine saw someone waving a Stone Temple Pilots banner and asked for it.  He then blasted STP (referencing heroin!), and spat on the sign.

It was a nice WTF moment.  The only time I've "seen" STP live too.

/"Vaseline" is a very catchy song though
 
2013-05-25 12:54:42 PM  

malaktaus: ModernLuddite: I remember when they were active and touring, and people generally thought they were a "meh" band. Now there seems to be this "OMG STP WERE GENIUSES!" revisionist history that I do not understand at all.

Now that a few years have passed, I think it's fair to say that there isn't much really timeless, memorable music from the early to mid '90s, especially as far as hard rock goes. I don't know what they were like as a live band, but that also becomes less important over time, and they had a few really solid studio albums. Basically, in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.


I still listen to Hum from time to time...Beck held strong (but he was far from hard rock)...Rocket From The Crypt still sounds relevant...as poppy as Green Day was, their older stuff still sounds pretty good...Sublime is pretty timeless (maybe because they were ripping off reggae greats left & right)...can't think of many more though.
 
2013-05-25 01:03:30 PM  
Too bad. Saw him perform with Velvet Revolver. Great show. Would love to see him live with STP, but I guess that'll never happen, because MONEY MONEY MONEY.
 
2013-05-25 01:07:04 PM  
I always loved STP, but they did kinda suck live.

Not sure what the problem was, exactly. Everyone was doing their individual parts correctly, but it just never really came together. Saw them once with Red Hot Chili Peppers, and the Peppers were leagues better, even though I'm not really a Peppers fan.

Then again, I saw Scott Weiland live when he was doing a solo tour around 1998, and it was the second best show I've ever been to (behind only Cake, who were friggin' awesome).
 
2013-05-25 01:11:01 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: eh, I always thought STP got way more hate than they deserved. I wouldn't call them genius, though.


Not a big STP fan myself, but I was always thought it was unfortunate they got labeled right away as PJ/"grunge" knockoffs. I always thought their songwriting was more intelligent and varied than they got credit for.

Hell, I'll go so far as to say if the music video for an early single like "Sex Type Thing" didn't mostly consist of a shirtless Weiland writhing and growling in what looks like a dungeon (even though it does fit the song), they would probably be looked at a little differently even to this day.
 
2013-05-25 01:15:25 PM  

SubBass49: I don't get the whole "let's tour with a new lead singer and still go by our old name" thing.  As a fan, I can't get past that shiat in my head enough to actually buy tix and attend a show.  A band is the people who originally comprise it, but more so than any, it relies on the lead singer.

Red Hot Chili Peppers could go through a half-dozen guitarists, but they still remain mostly recognizable as RHCP because of their (admittedly not-so-great) lead singer.  If Keidis ever kicked the bucket, I wouldn't want to see them tour with Iggy Pop in the lead spot...I'd rather they hang up their instruments and call it a good run.

Bands that I can't go see now when they tour, because their lead singer died/quit/got fired:

-Sublime
-STP (first time I typed that, I accidentally hit the "O" button between the "T" and the "P" like God was sending a sign to the band)
-Most of the old 60s and 70s bands that are now made up of one of the original backing vocalists and a bunch of cover-band hacks.



I don't get your attitude toward it or why so many share it.  If I pulled together a band, played guitar in it, and wrote all the songs I'd want to keep the brand I'd built regardless of whatever flaky vocalist I had at the time.  Why should STP give up their recognition and fanbase just because Weiland is a screw-up?  Those guys worked just as hard to build their sound and they did most of the writing anyway.

If a band changes and you don't like it then don't go.  I don't understand why you need to get tight about it or tell the rest of us what we should think a band is or isn't.  If The Hollies want to keep doing shows even though the only one left is the lead guitar player, who does it hurt?  If they weren't doing it then nobody would be and nobody is making you buy a ticket.  Why do you care?  Let them do what they want.  It doesn't change the albums you used to like or the memories you have.  And The Hollies still sell tickets as will STP, so somebody obviously still likes it enough to spend their evening on it.  Why rain on those guys fun?  I don't get it.
 
2013-05-25 01:19:34 PM  

SubBass49: I don't get the whole "let's tour with a new lead singer and still go by our old name" thing.  As a fan, I can't get past that shiat in my head enough to actually buy tix and attend a show.  A band is the people who originally comprise it, but more so than any, it relies on the lead singer.


That puts me in mind of Fuel. They when from Brett Scallions to Toryn Green and the music just wasn't the same. Didn't help that the guitarist claimed in interviews that with Toryn they could play the songs to the correct speed or whatever. I see they never made another album after that.
 
2013-05-25 01:31:00 PM  

SubBass49: I don't get the whole "let's tour with a new lead singer and still go by our old name" thing.


I think it depends on the overall creative dynamic that existed within the original lineup. If the ousted lead singer wrote and arranged a majority (if not all) of their existing songs, then I think it's utterly f*cking pointless to tour under the old name since most fans would realize at that point it would just be glorified karaoke with backing band hour. Otherwise, I think it's fine.
 
2013-05-25 01:33:44 PM  

ModernLuddite: I remember when they were active and touring, and people generally thought they were a "meh" band. Now there seems to be this "OMG STP WERE GENIUSES!" revisionist history that I do not understand at all.


Purple and Songs from the Vatican are great. They always were.
 
2013-05-25 01:33:56 PM  
I saw STP in 2008 in San Diego and it was an incredible show. It helped that Scott was definitely sober for the show, but the entire band just seemed to gel so well.  Then I watched that abysmal Live from Windy City show and vowed not to see them when they came back through town, I wanted to remember a live STP that sounded good and not muddle it with poor vocals. And that s/t album, though it has two decent songs, never should have been made.

That said, Chester Bennington sounds horrible in Scott's shoes.  That footage from the weenie roast with him "belting" out "Dead and Bloated" is just plain awful.  He couldn't hit a low note and it ruined the song, not that I didn't see it coming, his Linkin Park "vocals" are shiat.  I may go see Scott's solo show just to give a finger to the DeLeo brothers for putting CB in STP.
 
2013-05-25 01:39:14 PM  
What I can't believe is that this whole thing didn't happen 15 years ago. That dude's been a mess forever.
 
2013-05-25 01:52:32 PM  

SubBass49: I don't get the whole "let's tour with a new lead singer and still go by our old name" thing.  As a fan, I can't get past that shiat in my head enough to actually buy tix and attend a show.  A band is the people who originally comprise it, but more so than any, it relies on the lead singer.


-Sublime
-STP (first time I typed that, I accidentally hit the "O" button between the "T" and the "P" like God was sending a sign to the band)
-Most of the old 60s and 70s bands that are now made up of one of the original backing vocalists and a bunch of cover-band hacks.


I went to a Sublime concert for their first album with the new singer. Their newer music was ok but I cringed when that singer tried to do the older songs.

This is why I almost never call the old 60's and 70's bands by their band name; only by their singer. Like I never heard Layla and said Creme, even though Eric Clapton sang the song solo differently.  Granted some bands did change names like Jefferson Starship -> Jefferson Airplane.
 
rka
2013-05-25 02:28:02 PM  

SubBass49: but more so than any, it relies on the lead singer.


There are plenty of lead singers whose sound can be duplicated by others. Case in point...Steel Dragon.

/heh
 
2013-05-25 02:31:24 PM  

burning_bridge: SubBass49: I don't get the whole "let's tour with a new lead singer and still go by our old name" thing.  As a fan, I can't get past that shiat in my head enough to actually buy tix and attend a show.  A band is the people who originally comprise it, but more so than any, it relies on the lead singer.

Red Hot Chili Peppers could go through a half-dozen guitarists, but they still remain mostly recognizable as RHCP because of their (admittedly not-so-great) lead singer.  If Keidis ever kicked the bucket, I wouldn't want to see them tour with Iggy Pop in the lead spot...I'd rather they hang up their instruments and call it a good run.

Bands that I can't go see now when they tour, because their lead singer died/quit/got fired:

-Sublime
-STP (first time I typed that, I accidentally hit the "O" button between the "T" and the "P" like God was sending a sign to the band)
-Most of the old 60s and 70s bands that are now made up of one of the original backing vocalists and a bunch of cover-band hacks.


I don't get your attitude toward it or why so many share it.  If I pulled together a band, played guitar in it, and wrote all the songs I'd want to keep the brand I'd built regardless of whatever flaky vocalist I had at the time.  Why should STP give up their recognition and fanbase just because Weiland is a screw-up?  Those guys worked just as hard to build their sound and they did most of the writing anyway.

If a band changes and you don't like it then don't go.  I don't understand why you need to get tight about it or tell the rest of us what we should think a band is or isn't.  If The Hollies want to keep doing shows even though the only one left is the lead guitar player, who does it hurt?  If they weren't doing it then nobody would be and nobody is making you buy a ticket.  Why do you care?  Let them do what they want.  It doesn't change the albums you used to like or the memories you have.  And The Hollies still sell tickets as will STP, so somebody obviously still l ...


BANDS are just that - bands.  A GROUP of people that have adopted a name and created music together.  When one or more important members leave that group, the band ceases to exist as created.  The dynamic that created the music has changed.  I get why bands want to keep going with the same name, playing the same music - MONEY.  I don't even blame them for that feeling.  Especially when they've had commercial success, they feel it'll last forever, and when faced with mortality and that crash back to earth, it can be scary.  However, if they truly have an amazing fan base and serious talent as individuals, they can usually move on to another project with a different name and different songs, and be moderately successful (see: Foo Fighters, Long Beach Dub All-Stars, etc.)

BTW, I'm not saying they can't do this...go for it...sully your sound & reputation grasping at the fame you once achieved with the help of someone else.  Why go out on top, when you can slowly carve your fanbase down to a twig from a tree branch?  I'm saying it's sad, and I'm not going to be a part of it.  I basically had said already what you suggested to me in your response.

Enjoy paying $30+ for tickets to see what amounts to a cover band though.  If it gets your rocks off, more power to ya.
 
rka
2013-05-25 02:38:57 PM  

SubBass49: BANDS are just that - bands.  A GROUP of people that have adopted a name and created music together.


They can be that. And sometimes bands are just one or two guys with an idea who hired a couple of others to round out a sound. It's a business and business partners can come and go for a variety of reasons.

Getting all starry-eyed about it seems to be a sure fire way to disillusionment. The only people they have to answer to as far as their reputation is themselves.
 
2013-05-25 03:17:49 PM  

The only band I can recall at the moment to switch lead singers and still be a good band is Genesis. Peter Gabriel and then Phil Collins as front men? Yes.

"STP has asked the judge to stop Weiland from performing STP songs in his solo career, or even calling himself a former member of the band."

For some reason when I read that I laugh because it makes me think of Axl Rose, who as a lead singer kept GnR for himself as his band and fark whoever else was in the band. Though I think Axl's anger is mostly directed at Slash.

 
2013-05-25 03:37:46 PM  

darch: Slu: ModernLuddite: I remember when they were active and touring, and people generally thought they were a "meh" band. Now there seems to be this "OMG STP WERE GENIUSES!" revisionist history that I do not understand at all.

I don't know about all that, but I do know that Purple is a farking great record that holds up well today.

Listening to it as I type.


Either that album is shorter than I remember or you type really slow.
 
2013-05-25 03:50:42 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Saw them in Atlanta in 2000. Weiland wore an American flag and nothing else for the last song. As they were leaving the stage a bandmate ripped it off of him. A few thousand of us unexpectedly saw Scott Weiland's ass.


I saw the same thing, the same year, in Phoenix. Except we all saw his penis. It was a good show but I was pretty worn out after standing on the floor through Disturbed and Godsmack.
 
2013-05-25 03:51:02 PM  
I like new sublime and A.O.C better than the old stuff.

There, I said it.
 
2013-05-25 04:48:01 PM  

skinink: The only band I can recall at the moment to switch lead singers and still be a good band is Genesis. Peter Gabriel and then Phil Collins as front men?


Pink Floyd.  When Syd Barrett went bonkers, they switched to Roger Waters.  Then when the members grew to hate one another and lawyered up, David Gilmour took over.

I like the albums from all three incarnations.  You'll get people who are passionate about one or the other (like with Peter and Phil in Genesis), but I think all three different Pink Floyds put out terrific albums.
 
2013-05-25 05:57:51 PM  

Brokenseas: skinink: The only band I can recall at the moment to switch lead singers and still be a good band is Genesis. Peter Gabriel and then Phil Collins as front men?

Pink Floyd.  When Syd Barrett went bonkers, they switched to Roger Waters.  Then when the members grew to hate one another and lawyered up, David Gilmour took over.

I like the albums from all three incarnations.  You'll get people who are passionate about one or the other (like with Peter and Phil in Genesis), but I think all three different Pink Floyds put out terrific albums.


Don't forget about AC/DC.
 
2013-05-25 06:29:17 PM  
I saw Velvet Revolver twice. The show I got main floor tickets for is one of the most memorable I've ever been to. It helps that Scott was apparently sober and I'm a huge Slash and Duff fan.
 
2013-05-25 06:39:46 PM  

kronicfeld: The Robert DeLeo brothers have has always been the talent in STP anyway.


FTFY.
 
2013-05-25 06:54:55 PM  

SubBass49: Enjoy paying $30+ for tickets to see what amounts to a cover band though. If it gets your rocks off, more power to ya.


The DeLeo brothers and Eric Kretz wrote all that music. That's not a cover band.

/and isn't Scott Weiland with a hired tour band singing STP tunes a cover band?
 
2013-05-25 07:49:34 PM  

darch: It'll be interesting to see what they do with Chester. Upon hearing of his hiring, I thought it was a strange mix but he's a powerhouse vocalist (seen him in both a tiny club and at MSG) and will be able to handle Weiland's vocal lines.


He lip-synchs live, so we have no idea if he can pull of Weiland's vocals. Weiland can't either, so it's kind of a moot point, but Chester is fake as fark.

/knew the sound man for many of his shows
//didn't expect him to answer me honestly when I asked who the MiniDisc player was for
 
2013-05-25 07:53:39 PM  
There are many of us who are amazed that Scott Weiland is still alive at all...
 
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