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(STLToday)   Hobby Lobby says it is a ministry and should not have to pay fines under Obamacare   (stltoday.com) divider line 40
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2013-05-25 12:10:12 AM  
7 votes:

vartian: Duncan cited the Citizens United campaign-finance decision that said corporations had constitutional protections.

And a big thanks for that ever-lasting shiat burger, Supremes.


I don't know, Baby Love and Back In My Arms Again were pretty good songs
2013-05-25 05:53:06 AM  
6 votes:

Shadowtag: Wild guess, they're all for boner pills.


The Bible condones boner pills, they're like Jesus, you know? Raising the dead back to life?
2013-05-25 02:21:37 AM  
6 votes:

moothemagiccow: If you want help, you better get farked because there are 2 visible employees on the floor at a time


If God wanted you to get hobby stuff, he would tell you what aisle stuff's in.
2013-05-25 05:33:19 AM  
5 votes:
Old and busted: corporations are people.

New hotness: corporations are ministries.

Cause Jesus was all about limited liability.
2013-05-25 05:49:37 AM  
3 votes:
Wild guess, they're all for boner pills.
2013-05-25 02:10:13 AM  
3 votes:
Hobby Lobby is a farking terrible store. It's the size of walmart and has the organization of a bodega. Cheap Chinese knickknacks, 30% of which are broken, make up the front of the store. To the left you can get cheap chinese seasonal knickknacks, which is christmas shiat for most of the year.

In the back lies all the "hobby" stuff - arts & craft gear in aisles which are not labeled at all. You want paint? You better remember which of the 40 aisles has paint, because there are no signs anywhere in the store, excluding knickknack signs that say "bless this house"

If you want help, you better get farked because there are 2 visible employees on the floor at a time
2013-05-25 12:17:55 AM  
3 votes:

NewportBarGuy: themindiswatching: So Hobby Lobby admits to violating IRS rules on non-profits by, you know,  making a profit. Interesting.

You mean like all those Prosperity Gospel Ministries?


They're helping with a good cause though: the minister's lack of yachts.
2013-05-25 12:13:16 AM  
3 votes:
The one thing this clearly shows is that we need less regulation and lower corporate taxes.

Oh, and tax payer funded child care for start ups, while the mommy and daddy corporations are at work during the day.
2013-05-25 10:26:17 AM  
2 votes:
I guess Hobby Lobby will have to modify their employment applications:

Are you a fornicating whore?  If Yes, tear up this application and work for Michael's.  Slut.
[] Yes
[] No
2013-05-25 09:20:44 AM  
2 votes:
As I wasn't raised a deist, my own Atheism makes sense, but I could never explain my dislike of crafts and scrapbooks. Now that I know it wasn't the foam shapes or fake foliage I rejected, it was Hobby Lobbyism itself. It is all starting to add up. Their "Procreation of Crafters" mandate is vitally important, as even many devoutly religious men will choose Onanism over feigning interest in popsicle sticks and pipe cleaners.
2013-05-25 07:13:39 AM  
2 votes:
A few years ago, I was at a dinner hosted by one of my most liberal friends (the head of the department of women's studies at a local college) who was singing the praises of Hobby Lobby because they had, apparently, had a very successful year financially and management gave everybody a raise because management understood that it was their employees who made them successful and thus shared the wealth.  I had to confess that I knew nothing about Hobby Lobby but, as a management consultant, I applauded their way of thinking because what differentiates a company from its competitors is, most often, the caliber of its employees.  To compensate them better than your competitors so they can stay with you and help you make more money is how capitalism works.

If Hobby Lobby now wants to get a waiver on covering certain health care costs, it should be allowed to do so.  If that is something that will cause employees to leave, then Hobby Lobby will lose the benefit of those employees.  If it doesn't matter to the employees and they stay, why should the government make a bit deal of it?
2013-05-25 06:50:42 AM  
2 votes:

Mr.Tangent: CruiserTwelve: A business can't have religious beliefs.

Corporations are people my friend.


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2013-05-25 06:21:14 AM  
2 votes:

log_jammin: moothemagiccow: Hobby Lobby is a farking terrible store. It's the size of walmart and has the organization of a bodega. Cheap Chinese knickknacks, 30% of which are broken, make up the front of the store. To the left you can get cheap chinese seasonal knickknacks, which is christmas shiat for most of the year.

In the back lies all the "hobby" stuff - arts & craft gear in aisles which are not labeled at all. You want paint? You better remember which of the 40 aisles has paint, because there are no signs anywhere in the store, excluding knickknack signs that say "bless this house"

If you want help, you better get farked because there are 2 visible employees on the floor at a time

and then you find that their selection of the hobby/craft items you want is almost as good as walmarts.


You have to understand their demographic.  The homes of their customers are exactly like their stores.  That's what keeps the customers coming back.
2013-05-25 05:59:43 AM  
2 votes:

NewportBarGuy: clancifer: TheOmni: I don't think they understand how health insurance or birth control works.

Oh they understand.  Whores and sluts used birth control.  That's all they need to know.

I remember a patient at the pharmacy I worked at a few years ago. She had to have the prescription be for health reasons. (Complexion or hormonal regulation or some sh*t.) If it didn't have that, her insurance (employer) wouldn't cover it. She worked for a church or some religious thing. I thought that was the craziest sh*t I'd ever heard. And I've heard "Hey, we're gonna give this 18-year-old cross-eyed retard live ammo and you are going to cover each other while you move to the objective." Sooooo.... This even pales.

You want more of your workers out for 6-9 months? That's sound business planning, Hobby Lobby. Praise be to Jesus or whatever.


I too have heard something similar.  Although, our guy wasn't a retard, he'd actually joined the Army after convincing a judge that it was a better alternative than going to jail for incest.  The guy actually farked his sister.  Made it all the way through Ranger school too.  Probably because nothing was harder than convincing his sister to let him hit it.

We took to calling him "Sister Farker."
2013-05-25 05:53:25 AM  
2 votes:

vartian: Duncan cited the Citizens United campaign-finance decision that said corporations had constitutional protections.

And a big thanks for that ever-lasting shiat burger, Supremes.


They'd have to be mentally defective to agree with that blind assertion.  You think any sane judge would say that corporations have the same right to privacy or right to bear arms that people have?  That would undermine the entire SEC, and give public corporations a justification to build their own private armies.

It would be almost like the burbclave world of Snow Crash

On second thought, fark yeah, let's get this party started.
2013-05-25 02:19:49 AM  
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-05-25 12:18:51 AM  
2 votes:

clancifer: TheOmni: I don't think they understand how health insurance or birth control works.

Oh they understand.  Whores and sluts used birth control.  That's all they need to know.


I remember a patient at the pharmacy I worked at a few years ago. She had to have the prescription be for health reasons. (Complexion or hormonal regulation or some sh*t.) If it didn't have that, her insurance (employer) wouldn't cover it. She worked for a church or some religious thing. I thought that was the craziest sh*t I'd ever heard. And I've heard "Hey, we're gonna give this 18-year-old cross-eyed retard live ammo and you are going to cover each other while you move to the objective." Sooooo.... This even pales.

You want more of your workers out for 6-9 months? That's sound business planning, Hobby Lobby. Praise be to Jesus or whatever.
2013-05-24 11:59:36 PM  
2 votes:
So Hobby Lobby admits to violating IRS rules on non-profits by, you know,  making a profit. Interesting.
2013-05-25 10:23:04 PM  
1 votes:
It's okay Hobby Lobby, I know you wouldn't like my slutty cash, so I'll do you a favor by not shopping there anymore.

Signed,
Artsy, Crafty, Pill-taking Harlot.
2013-05-25 08:54:52 PM  
1 votes:

enemy of the state: Look at the numbers: Obamacare is destined to fail, in the sense that it will put private insurers out of business and result in a complete government takeover of the health business (yeah I know, it makes me sick to be sticking up for health insurance companies).  This birth control/morning after pill business is just one aspect of the government knowing what's best for people and stomping on anyone who gets in their way.


I know.  Makes me sick.  Everyone knows that that's religion's job.
2013-05-25 06:04:38 PM  
1 votes:
It's a Ministry?

CONNECT THE GOD-DAMNED DOTS!
2013-05-25 05:07:22 PM  
1 votes:

MeanJean: Hasty Ambush

You are imposing your lifestyle on them by insisting they help finance your exchanging of bodily fluids with others.

Yeah, how dare I want my health insurance to cover the treatment of various debilitating hormone conditions that are treatable through hormonal birth control .

Would you be okay with a Scientology-owned business refusing to allow their employees to get psych meds? Or Jehovah's Witness owned busiensses refusing to cover blood transfusions?



Well, of course Hasty Ambush would be ok with that, MeanJean, because he's not stupid, cruel, AND hypocritical.
2013-05-25 07:25:45 AM  
1 votes:
If your religion, or 'morals' require that you deny health care to others, get some actual morals.
2013-05-25 07:22:17 AM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: I guess my whole issue with this is that I don't believe hormonal contraception or morning after pills should be covered by health insurance. Not a health issue.Doesn't protect you from arcs even.

/wanna get poked, pay for your own damn protection or make your boyfriend pay.


My god, you're dumb.
2013-05-25 07:16:09 AM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: A business can't have religious beliefs.



Corporations are people, my friend.
2013-05-25 07:07:12 AM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: I guess my whole issue with this is that I don't believe hormonal contraception or morning after pills should be covered by health insurance. Not a health issue.Doesn't protect you from arcs even.

/wanna get poked, pay for your own damn protection or make your boyfriend pay.


My wife needs birth control, even though she is sterile, because of her otherwise out-of-control Endomitriosis. That's what ruined her ovaries in the first place. So I don't give a flying fark what you believe, hormonal contraception most certainly should be covered by health insurance.

If you think this issue is just about letting "whores" screw guys without consequences, then you are woefully, tragically uninformed.
2013-05-25 06:57:50 AM  
1 votes:

Alphax: Mrtraveler01: I always get a kick out of the derpy "America is a Christian Nation" ads they run during religious holiday and the 4th of July.

I never heard of Hobby Lobby.  (checks the Google)  Looks like they have 5 stores in the St. Louis area, but  it looks like they're all at least a half hour drive for me.  Nothing in central county or north county.


You aren't missing anything.

Imagine that, somehow, a really cheap dollar store had a child by the John McNaughton Jesus painting.  The resultant disordered heap of cheap-yet-overpriced shoddy imported kitsch would be Hobby Lobby.
2013-05-25 06:48:24 AM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: A business can't have religious beliefs.


Corporations are people my friend.
2013-05-25 06:23:33 AM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Who would Jesus deprive of health care?


The Romans?
2013-05-25 06:20:25 AM  
1 votes:

MmmmBacon: That's not going far enough! Hobby Lobby should be able to pay their employees in their own script, that will only be accepted at Hobby Lobby-run company stores. So the employees will only be able to buy items the company wants them to buy. Of course condoms and birth control won't be available at these company stores.


Why not just pay them in BitCoins!

I promise you (snicker) I TOTALLY DIDNT LAUGH typing this.
2013-05-25 06:15:38 AM  
1 votes:

themindiswatching: So Hobby Lobby admits to violating IRS rules on non-profits by, you know,  making a profit. Interesting.


Only two posts in, but you win the Dumbest Post Of This Thread Award.
2013-05-25 06:14:39 AM  
1 votes:
Challenge: Pick up any knick knack that this business sells and find one that is NOT made in China.

After about forty minutes and a few hundred items, my wife and I gave up. I am convinced that nothing in this
store is made from any other country. It's like what would happen if a country had a garage sale.
2013-05-25 06:11:19 AM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: A business can't have religious beliefs.


Sure it can.  Like all corporations, Hobby Lobby is a disciple of the Church of the Almighty Dollar.
2013-05-25 05:59:45 AM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: A business can't have religious beliefs.


Corporations, are people, my friend.
2013-05-25 05:55:58 AM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: almandot: Do they also refuse to give their employees wages that could potentially be used for condoms or after morning pills? They should have the right to withhold paychecks.

They are notorious for letting their Franchisees do whatever the fark they want to their employees. Honestly, it's worse than wal-mart.


That's not going far enough! Hobby Lobby should be able to pay their employees in their own script, that will only be accepted at Hobby Lobby-run company stores. So the employees will only be able to buy items the company wants them to buy. Of course condoms and birth control won't be available at these company stores.
2013-05-25 05:48:03 AM  
1 votes:
Do they also refuse to give their employees wages that could potentially be used for condoms or after morning pills? They should have the right to withhold paychecks.
2013-05-25 12:50:51 AM  
1 votes:
Who would Jesus deprive of health care?
2013-05-25 12:19:41 AM  
1 votes:

themindiswatching: They're helping with a good cause though: the minister's lack of yachts.


I think Creflo Dollar is my favorite. That name just kicks all kinds of ass.
2013-05-25 12:13:18 AM  
1 votes:

TheOmni: I don't think they understand how health insurance or birth control works.


Oh they understand.  Whores and sluts used birth control.  That's all they need to know.
2013-05-25 12:00:37 AM  
1 votes:
You know, if an employee of yours gets pregnant, you have to give her like 5 years maternity leave or whatever it's up to now. That might cost you a little more than letting the unholy harlot just have her Satanic baby killing potion.
 
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