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2013-05-24 06:59:07 PM
Cops beating people without a warrant. What's this world coming to?
 
2013-05-24 07:02:07 PM
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the body-mounted audio recordings and dash cam footage from the two CHP officers who were also at the scene, which will no doubt provide more evidence against the officers.

And will no doubt be lost to unspecified data corruption.
 
2013-05-24 07:05:55 PM
There is no excuse if he died.  Obvious case of excessive force, if any at all was even necessary.

All should go to jail for manslaughter.

/and I usually try to support the cops, having grown up in a cop family
 
2013-05-24 07:06:33 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: And will no doubt be lost to unspecified data

police corruption.

FTFY
 
2013-05-24 07:14:24 PM
 
2013-05-24 07:16:53 PM

nvmac: There is no excuse if he died.  Obvious case of excessive force, if any at all was even necessary.

All should go to jail for manslaughter.

/and I usually try to support the cops, having grown up in a cop family


The problem is, they won't, unless this really goes viral and the judge thinks the public will find it enough of an outrage to put him/her out of a job.

/and I distrust the cops with every fiber of my being, having been around them for a long enough time to know what power-abusing egomaniacal shiatstains they tend to be
 
2013-05-24 07:19:57 PM

nvmac: http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com/local/x480782089/DA-to-conduct- i ndependent-review-into-death-of-David-Silva

The plot thickens?


Thins.  RTFA.

"Oh, they only followed procedure, they didn't hit him bad, and one of our guys got bitten too!  It was all an accident!  Which wouldn't have happened at all, if that despicable lowlife hadn't been drunk and hopped up on goofballs while our brave officers were trying to help him."
 
2013-05-24 07:53:52 PM
Dear Lady,

Next time maybe you should... oh I don't know, maybe EMAIL IT TO TWENTY PEOPLE!!!

FFS...
 
2013-05-24 07:56:08 PM
Hero cop saves partner from dangerous video recording!
 
2013-05-24 08:26:08 PM

whither_apophis: Dear Lady,

Next time maybe you should... oh I don't know, maybe EMAIL IT TO TWENTY PEOPLE!!!

FFS...


She would have, but the cops were Right Farking There, watching her and the other guy like a hawk.  Perhaps she didn't want a beat-down of her own.
 
2013-05-24 10:32:37 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: whither_apophis: Dear Lady,

Next time maybe you should... oh I don't know, maybe EMAIL IT TO TWENTY PEOPLE!!!

FFS...

She would have, but the cops were Right Farking There, watching her and the other guy like a hawk.  Perhaps she didn't want a beat-down of her own.


The cops left and only called her back when the guy died. She had plenty of time.
 
2013-05-24 10:45:28 PM
Bunch of savages. How can they just destroy evidence like that. Its really scary this stuff went on even after they murdered that man.
 
2013-05-24 10:51:42 PM

whither_apophis: Benevolent Misanthrope: whither_apophis: Dear Lady,

Next time maybe you should... oh I don't know, maybe EMAIL IT TO TWENTY PEOPLE!!!

FFS...

She would have, but the cops were Right Farking There, watching her and the other guy like a hawk.  Perhaps she didn't want a beat-down of her own.

The cops left and only called her back when the guy died. She had plenty of time.


My mistake, then.  Let the OH FFS EMAIL! ranting continue.

/I agree, though I'm not sure I would have had the presence of mind, either
 
2013-05-24 11:39:40 PM

naughtyrev: Cops beating people without a warrant. What's this world coming to?


I dunno, business as usual? par for the course? a day that ends in "y"?
 
2013-05-24 11:41:08 PM

nvmac: All should go to jail for manslaughter.


You mean be hung for cold blooded murder.

This was not manslaughter and the cops who did it are not accidental killers. Did you not hear those screams? How does a human voice even make such noises?
 
2013-05-24 11:43:54 PM
Everybody involved with obtaining the warrant for the confiscation of the phone should be charged.  Civil rights violations should be sued for the illegal detention of the witnesses.  And that might even be considered intimidation of a witness.

And whoever had custody of that evidence that got destroyed should be charged with interfering with an investigation, just like we would be.
 
2013-05-24 11:52:48 PM
My phone would automatically dropbox that shiat. That'll put it on 2 computers, another phone, a raspberry pi and 'the cloud'.
 
2013-05-25 12:19:09 AM
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the body-mounted audio recordings and dash cam footage from the two CHP officers who were also at the scene, which will no doubt provide more evidence against the officers.

This should be mandatory across the country. I'd even go so far as to say all cops should have body mounted video as well. but like most sensible things, it will never happen everywhere, even if it should.
 
2013-05-25 12:22:40 AM

log_jammin: This should be mandatory across the country. I'd even go so far as to say all cops should have body mounted video as well. but like most sensible things, it will never happen everywhere, even if it should.


Taser did as scientific study as you can of police mounted cameras and found a HUGE reduction in the "use of force" incidents as well as civilian complaints.
 
2013-05-25 01:37:30 AM

ShawnDoc: Taser did as scientific study as you can of police mounted cameras and found a HUGE reduction in the "use of force" incidents as well as civilian complaints.


That stands to reason. We're testing out body cams in my agency and they assigned them to a handful of cops to wear. They were instructed to turn them during every contact, but they're finding that the battery will only last about half a shift if they do that. The cops are only turning them on at signs of trouble to try to preserve the battery life.
 
2013-05-25 02:18:32 AM

CruiserTwelve: That stands to reason. We're testing out body cams in my agency and they assigned them to a handful of cops to wear. They were instructed to turn them during every contact, but they're finding that the battery will only last about half a shift if they do that. The cops are only turning them on at signs of trouble to try to preserve the battery life.


I don't think the Taser system had that problem.  The Rialto Chief of Police was on the local talk radio show discussing what they found, and I don't think he mentioned any problems with battery life. Too keep the study fair, the cameras were assigned at random at the beginning of the shift to I believe half the officers.

Here's the link to the press release on the study.   It was done by Cambridge University on behalf of Taser and the Rialto, CA PD.
http://investor.taser.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=754849

My hunch is the conviction rate went up as well.
 
2013-05-25 02:37:56 AM
 it doesn't look as if even the FBI has the capability to recover it because of the type of phone it is

The type that has evidence against the police on it! Of course!
 
2013-05-25 02:42:07 AM
Goddamnitsomuch.
 
2013-05-25 02:44:47 AM
How can you record footage like that and NOT think to put it up on the internet, ASAP? Why bother recording it in the first place?
 
2013-05-25 02:53:24 AM
Yeah, I'm totally gonna take the unbiased word of a website called photographyisnotacrime.com.  Looks totally legit.
 
2013-05-25 02:55:00 AM

HotWingAgenda: Yeah, I'm totally gonna take the unbiased word of a website called photographyisnotacrime.com.  Looks totally legit.


This.  I'll stick with copshavetherighttobeatyourfamily.com.
 
2013-05-25 02:58:11 AM

doglover: nvmac: All should go to jail for manslaughter.

You mean be hung for cold blooded murder.

This was not manslaughter and the cops who did it are not accidental killers. Did you not hear those screams? How does a human voice even make such noises?


I would settle for parity.

Any murder involving a police officer=capital crime.  That means murder OF a police officer or murder BY a police officer.

Apply the same concept to crimes less than capital.

In the meantime, charge these police officers with about 2400VAC@15A in 60 second intervals 2-5 times.
 
2013-05-25 02:59:36 AM
Come on guys, you haven't heard the cops side of the story.

That guy probably spit at the cops or some blood spattered on them, which means he assaulted those brave crimefighters and they just used reasonable force until the suspect stopped resisting. Which he did. So, all is good.
 
2013-05-25 03:00:57 AM
 
2013-05-25 03:01:01 AM

pedrop357: In the meantime, charge these police officers with about 2400VAC@15A in 60 second intervals 2-5 times.


7' feet of drop with 6' of rope works just as well.
 
2013-05-25 03:01:18 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the body-mounted audio recordings and dash cam footage from the two CHP officers who were also at the scene, which will no doubt provide more evidence against the officers.

And will no doubt be lost to unspecified data corruption.


I'm surprised they acknowledged having them. A few years back, CHP beat a Russian truck driver almost to death and would you believe that the dash cams weren't functioning, the officers weren't wearing cams on their uniform, and the radio recordings weren't available due to a system error?

I'm amazed at how unreliable police equipment is given the premium price they pay for nearly everything.
 
2013-05-25 03:01:59 AM
It's clearly  Daryl Gates's  fault.
The perp must be related to RODNEY KING, RODNEY KING,  can't we all just get along?
Oh noes, don't look at the 20 plus years of arrests and run-ins the piece of shiat had until drowning, and that alcohol and cocaine were found in his blood and were contributing factors to his death.
Oh noes Mah Boya is Inosent
 
2013-05-25 03:01:59 AM

Mike_LowELL: HotWingAgenda: Yeah, I'm totally gonna take the unbiased word of a website called photographyisnotacrime.com.  Looks totally legit.

This.  I'll stick with copshavetherighttobeatyourfamily.com.


Meh, I can't get around the paywall on that one.
 
2013-05-25 03:02:19 AM

Mike_LowELL: HotWingAgenda: Yeah, I'm totally gonna take the unbiased word of a website called photographyisnotacrime.com.  Looks totally legit.

This.  I'll stick with copshavetherighttobeatyourfamily.com.


Or Youbouttobefarkedupbythepopo.net

/goddamn savages
//brother's 22 years a cop and this made him cringe
 
2013-05-25 03:03:53 AM

doglover: pedrop357: In the meantime, charge these police officers with about 2400VAC@15A in 60 second intervals 2-5 times.

7' feet of drop with 6' of rope works just as well.


Or we could do away with the death penalty altogether except for the most heinous of crimes (i.e. rape/murder of a child, torture killings, mass murder, assassination of heads of state or treason), save the states BILLIONS of dollars over the lifetime of a prisoner, and let them rot in a box.

On the plus side, we have the benefit of not killing tards, mental patients and innocent men.
 
2013-05-25 03:04:10 AM

lucksi: Come on guys, you haven't heard the cops side of the story.

That guy probably spit at the cops or some blood spattered on them, which means he assaulted those brave crimefighters and they just used reasonable force until the suspect stopped resisting. Which he did. So, all is good.


"I was bored as shiat in this never ending suburban bland shiathole, and my ex had been hassling me for child support that morning. But I spent the money on booze and ted nugent tickets and it just felt so right to be a cop beating someone to death, like it was my purpose"
 
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2013-05-25 03:04:15 AM
It wasn't just a beating.

It was a killing.
 
2013-05-25 03:05:50 AM
was anyone else not terribly impressed by that video?
 
2013-05-25 03:06:23 AM
This is thoroughly appalling.

These police should immediately be put on full paid administrative leave pending an internal investigation by their own colleagues with the results never made public. I demand zero accountability.
 
2013-05-25 03:06:55 AM
Reminds me of the stories my Mom used to tell working as a prosecutor for San Francisco's DA's office. She said that the moment she found out that if any person on the defense in the case she was working on was a Cop or had Cops in the family she would go into the evidence room and hide the evidence in different files and other places. If she didn't it would disappear.

As much as we need the police in bad times, a small few ruin their good will in good times.

I wish the government would take a long hard look at the saying Quis custodiet ipsos custodes (Who Watches the Watchmen?) and maybe assign that job to the public. I think it is legal to record police activity, but I'm not sure because court rulings on this change so often that I can't keep track. Still It would nice to make it official with a Supreme Court decision even though that would never happen.
 
2013-05-25 03:07:30 AM
Ok, I sent this video story to 20 local cops along with my name and address!

/amidoinitrite
 
2013-05-25 03:09:17 AM
I thought about being a cop once.
problem is I like to be able to look myself in the mirror.
so I got a real job
 
2013-05-25 03:10:22 AM

hardinparamedic: Or we could do away with the death penalty altogether except for the most heinous of crimes (i.e. rape/murder of a child, torture killings, mass murder, assassination of heads of state or treason), save the states BILLIONS of dollars over the lifetime of a prisoner, and let them rot in a box.


The systems brokenness is not to be cited as evidence of anything other than the system being broken.

I hate the American legal system. I want to fix it at all levels. Given the chance I'd eliminate a lot of the problems in several sweeping changes. That's not what this thread is about.

This thread is about cops who beat a guy to death then destroyed the evidence. Hang 'em is my advice. Let's not talk about "death row" is more like "retirement village"
 
2013-05-25 03:10:54 AM
"Did you upload it to the Internet yet?"
"No I did not."
"Good, don't do it. Now turn over the camera."
"Here you go."
"Oopsie, we deleted your incriminating evidence. Wait, why is this video all over the Internet??"
"Oopsie, when I said I didn't upload it to the Internet, I was telling the truth; but you didn't ask if I hadn't made 47 other copies and emailed it to my friends, who uploaded it themselves."

...not that I'D do that, you understand, just a thought I  had.
 
2013-05-25 03:10:57 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I thought about being a cop once.
problem is I like to be able to look myself in the mirror.
so I got a real job


no faith that you could be a decent person?
 
2013-05-25 03:11:49 AM
Even worse, the coroner decided he didn't die from the violent beating, but from a bad heart and alcohol. No mention of injury from a baton bashing!

http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-news/read-complete-coroner-report -f or-david-silvas-death
 
nm
2013-05-25 03:11:55 AM

HotWingAgenda: Yeah, I'm totally gonna take the unbiased word of a website called photographyisnotacrime.com.  Looks totally legit.


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-kern-beating-fbi-20130515,0, 76 0051,full.story
How about the LA Times?
 
2013-05-25 03:13:25 AM

naughtyrev: Cops beating people without a warrant. What's this world coming to?


Shot to death after asking to see a warrant.

Jason was my cousin.

Results.

Money won't bring him back. Troopers were acquitted of criminal charges, got back pay, and were fired even though "they did nothing wrong". They are still walking free.
 
2013-05-25 03:15:21 AM

skullkrusher: teenage mutant ninja rapist: I thought about being a cop once.
problem is I like to be able to look myself in the mirror.
so I got a real job

no faith that you could be a decent person?


No faith I could wear the uniform of guys that beat up drunks and muder innocent people. And still have some self respect.
 
2013-05-25 03:15:31 AM
flamingboard: Horrific, horrific thing.

Wait. He was killed by a lawyer?
 
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