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(Indiegogo)   Cool: Comedian Doug Stanhope starts an IndieGoGo campaign to raise $50,000 for the woman who said "I'm actually an atheist" after surviving the Oklahoma tornado. Really Cool: The goal was met in the first 24 hours. Fark: There are 59 days to go   (indiegogo.com) divider line 527
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2013-05-25 10:43:30 AM  

Abox: willfullyobscure: Religion is an Atheism


I think that's accurate.  If your God is unfalsifiable, then in practical terms your experience is no different than the atheist's.  You will never be able to identify your God because there are no attributes that would distinguish it from any other entity.  You may see a large powerful being snapping his fingers and creating planets but how would you know the being is God?  It could just be a very powerful creature you hadn't thought of. Your God could just as easily be a rock on the side of a stream biding his time.


It's more that if you use religious rules to dictate yoir actions, that's not a real spiritual communion with God, and therefore atheistic. The only way to really connect with the divine is through personal reflection and experience, often called spirituality. That's why I call overtly religious people out as atheists.
 
2013-05-25 10:43:40 AM  

part of the problem: If you are depending on atheist compassion and deceny to spread atheisim.... the future of religion is very bright indeed. Atheists are not self aware enough to realize that their arrogant self important pathological behavior is a bigger turn off to the merely non-religious than to theists.


That projection is so massive, I had to be sure I was laying in bed and not at the local Drive-In.

Remind me of Jesus' admonishment of the Pharisees again?
 
2013-05-25 10:43:47 AM  
I think the bigger issue here is that Wolf Blitzer assumes everyone is Oklahoma is a bible thumping moron that he can goad into a paroxysms of religious fervor by asking them if they thank the lerd for not being dead today, so he can get it on camera.

Okies should tell Blitzer to suck a bag of dicks every time he shows up on what's left of their porch.
 
2013-05-25 10:46:06 AM  

Waldo Pepper: LasersHurt: Waldo Pepper: LasersHurt: Waldo Pepper: I think you will find that at some point atheism will be classified as a religion of sort.

There's no way to do it.

When this is money to be made and power to be gained someone will find a way to make it happen.

But it would categorically NOT be atheism, then. The very definition of the word prohibits it.

Definitions of that word can change over time.


It LITERALLY means a-theism - without religion. How could that change over time to mean exactly the opposite?
 
2013-05-25 10:49:17 AM  
So I'm guessing the ones whining about donations to this lady "because" she's atheist don't whine about people being persecuted for their Christian beliefs in Muslim countries simply "because" they're Christian?
 
2013-05-25 10:55:41 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Definitions of that word can change over time.


You probably think "Agnostic" means "I haven't made up my mind."

Just because someone uses a word incorrectly doesn't mean language is "evolving." It means they don't know what the word means and they're using it incorrectly. Nothing more.
 
Ant
2013-05-25 10:58:23 AM  

John Buck 41: [static.jokes-db.com image 294x400]

Atheists are so cute


Yep. That's right. "We exist" is absolutely the same thing as "Hey! Look at me!!!"
 
2013-05-25 10:58:56 AM  

nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.


agree...but it isn't her fault, so good that she is getting money.
from another article she said in the Wolf interview:   "I don't blame anyone for thanking the Lord."
okay (OK), that is a really gracious thing to say.  Nice that she shows respect for others instead of denigrating others.

/i wonder how many atheists believe in karma
 
Ant
2013-05-25 11:01:54 AM  

log_jammin: I can't give my feelings on this matter until Rebecca Watson tells me if it's rooted in sexism or not.


I honestly don't understand why everyone hates her so much. "Guys, don't do that" is not exactly the kind of phrase I would expect could bring down such hatred.
 
2013-05-25 11:04:49 AM  

Ant: log_jammin: I can't give my feelings on this matter until Rebecca Watson tells me if it's rooted in sexism or not.

I honestly don't understand why everyone hates her so much. "Guys, don't do that" is not exactly the kind of phrase I would expect could bring down such hatred.


Unfortunately, she didn't stop there.  The Atheism+ bullies are trying to turn a movement about resisting theocracy into yet another radical feminist echo chamber.
 
2013-05-25 11:07:38 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.

agree...but it isn't her fault, so good that she is getting money.
from another article she said in the Wolf interview:   "I don't blame anyone for thanking the Lord."
okay (OK), that is a really gracious thing to say.  Nice that she shows respect for others instead of denigrating others.

/i wonder how many atheists believe in karma


Perhaps she's just afraid of a backlash from her Christian neighbors.  You see, Christians have been persecuting nonbelievers for nearly 2,000 years in the name of Jesus.
 
2013-05-25 11:08:51 AM  
She's going to need those funds to emigrate out of OK, now that people know she's an atheist.  Some teabagger is going to exercise his 2nd Amendment solutions on her if she doesn't get out of town.
 
2013-05-25 11:08:59 AM  

nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.


I would say it's more "helping out someone who had the courage to say she was an atheist on national TV in a country where such proclamations are generally scorned by a bullying Christian majority."
 
2013-05-25 11:09:20 AM  

sex0r: Doug Stanhope?  I have heard of that unfunny piece of crap since The Man Show went off the air.  Way to make a political statement out of a tragedy Mr. Stanhope and every other neckbeard atheist mouthbreather cheering this on.




Doug Stanhope reponds.
 
2013-05-25 11:10:50 AM  

The Billdozer: LasersHurt: The Billdozer: /understands atheism
//can't understand "atheists"

You don't understand that the language naturally implies a term for a group of people?

To dumb it down:

I get why people don't collect stamps.

I don't get why a subset of these same people have groups, charities, people who wrote blogs and books, and are extremely vocal about their disdain for not collecting stamps and then biatch and whine when people point out their non-hobby "hobby".


I miss this analogy so much. Just tickles me to see something people hold dear to their hearts-- some so much so that they dedicate their lives to it-- reduced to a... "hobby."
 
Ant
2013-05-25 11:11:07 AM  

The Billdozer: LasersHurt: The Billdozer: /understands atheism
//can't understand "atheists"

You don't understand that the language naturally implies a term for a group of people?

To dumb it down:

I get why people don't collect stamps.

I don't get why a subset of these same people have groups, charities, people who wrote blogs and books, and are extremely vocal about their disdain for not collecting stamps and then biatch and whine when people point out their non-hobby "hobby".


Imagine the vast majority of people in the world have a hobby of collecting stamps. Imagine that being a non-stamp collector in the wrong part of the country could get you disowned by your parents, ostracized by society, and in some other countries where they really take stamp collecting to extremes, even killed for your non-stamp collecting ways.

Get it now?
 
2013-05-25 11:12:42 AM  

eggrolls: I think the bigger issue here is that Wolf Blitzer assumes everyone is Oklahoma is a bible thumping moron that he can goad into a paroxysms of religious fervor by asking them if they thank the lerd for not being dead today, so he can get it on camera.

Okies should tell Blitzer to suck a bag of dicks every time he shows up on what's left of their porch.


That was kinda my reaction. Who the hell asks about religion (unprompted, at least) when they're talking to a lady whose house just blew away?
 
2013-05-25 11:14:10 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: The Billdozer: LasersHurt: The Billdozer: /understands atheism
//can't understand "atheists"

You don't understand that the language naturally implies a term for a group of people?

To dumb it down:

I get why people don't collect stamps.

I don't get why a subset of these same people have groups, charities, people who wrote blogs and books, and are extremely vocal about their disdain for not collecting stamps and then biatch and whine when people point out their non-hobby "hobby".

I miss this analogy so much. Just tickles me to see something people hold dear to their hearts-- some so much so that they dedicate their lives to it-- reduced to a... "hobby."


Well, that's what happens when you dedicate your life to something that isn't real.  It's one thing to enjoy the original Star Wars films; it's quite another to think you are a Jedi who can move things with your thoughts and that Chewbacca is going to hang out with you at some point.
 
2013-05-25 11:15:22 AM  
Donated.
 
2013-05-25 11:16:20 AM  

Cupajo: nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.

I would say it's more "helping out someone who had the courage to say she was an atheist on national TV in a country where such proclamations are generally scorned by a bullying Christian majority."


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-25 11:17:43 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: /i wonder how many atheists believe in karma


A fair number, actually. Now that I have your attention, I have to explain a bit. They probably don't believe explicitly in karma, but something similar. And they aren't the flavor of atheist that I am (I'm the "there's nothing that science can't explain" type) but they certainly don't believe in any sort of god or god-like figure.
 
2013-05-25 11:17:58 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: eggrolls: I think the bigger issue here is that Wolf Blitzer assumes everyone is Oklahoma is a bible thumping moron that he can goad into a paroxysms of religious fervor by asking them if they thank the lerd for not being dead today, so he can get it on camera.

Okies should tell Blitzer to suck a bag of dicks every time he shows up on what's left of their porch.

That was kinda my reaction. Who the hell asks about religion (unprompted, at least) when they're talking to a lady whose house just blew away?


Wolf should keep asking these questions until someone yells Allah Ackbar and hacks off his head.
Think of the ratings.
 
Ant
2013-05-25 11:18:02 AM  

gimmegimme: Ant: log_jammin: I can't give my feelings on this matter until Rebecca Watson tells me if it's rooted in sexism or not.

I honestly don't understand why everyone hates her so much. "Guys, don't do that" is not exactly the kind of phrase I would expect could bring down such hatred.

Unfortunately, she didn't stop there.  The Atheism+ bullies are trying to turn a movement about resisting theocracy into yet another radical feminist echo chamber.


I just don't see it. I admit that sometimes my immediate knee-jerk reaction to some of their criticisms and complaints is "Oh, give me a farking break!", but usually when I've read their point of view on the subject, it makes sense why they might take offense to things that are said and done every day without thought.
 
2013-05-25 11:19:10 AM  

fat boy: Wolf should keep asking these questions until someone yells Allah Ackbar and hacks off his head.
Think of the ratings.


Holy shiat, man. He's being a jerk, not eating babies.
 
2013-05-25 11:19:11 AM  

nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.


It's OK, the Christians are helping their own too.  They're sending prayers.
 
2013-05-25 11:20:21 AM  

INeedAName: When will people realize that most of what takes place in the south isn't Christianity?


Civil War II.
 
2013-05-25 11:20:25 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Benevolent Misanthrope:
Unfortunately, those servile f*ckwits have an answer for that one.  "It's just God acting in His own way, even through those atheists, isn't He clever!" they'll bleat.  There are none so blind as those who will not see.  Religious people are incapable of that kind of rational thought.  Seriously.

Religious people, just like atheists, come in all shapes and sizes, some of which have their heads up their asses.

Just as you probably wouldn't like people to think all atheists are bloviating anti-theists, it's probably not a good idea to
claim all religious people act or think the same way.


As a religious type person myself, I am happy to inform you those types seem to be restricted to the internet. I've only encountered one in the real world and he seemed to become even more crazy irate, in his odd religious extremist without the deity way, when he was informed that those of us in my religion don't DO those things he claims to hate. He didn't even know what it was, just that I was a moron and mentally ill because I didn't believe the same way he did. This attitude used to come from the "other side", but with cool shiat like demons and hellfire and other things that appeal to my metal head wench sensibilities.

I do not blame atheists for the behavior of a few anti-theists. I don't even put you guys in the same category. An extremist is an extremist is an extremist. The belief in a deity or the belief there is no deity is secondary, just as it should be.
 
2013-05-25 11:22:05 AM  
We agnostics are like a dead cat in the left turn lane right now. We just keep getting run over and ignored.

Makes me want to find a bisexual woman and commisserate with her.
 
2013-05-25 11:22:12 AM  

Dragonflew: nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.

It's OK, the Christians are helping their own too.  They're sending prayers.


Heh.
 
2013-05-25 11:23:17 AM  

i upped my meds-up yours: We agnostics are like a dead cat in the left turn lane right now. We just keep getting run over and ignored.

Makes me want to find a bisexual woman and commisserate with her.


If internet porn has taught me anything, it's that bisexual women aren't ignored.
 
2013-05-25 11:23:40 AM  

Ant: gimmegimme: Ant: log_jammin: I can't give my feelings on this matter until Rebecca Watson tells me if it's rooted in sexism or not.

I honestly don't understand why everyone hates her so much. "Guys, don't do that" is not exactly the kind of phrase I would expect could bring down such hatred.

Unfortunately, she didn't stop there.  The Atheism+ bullies are trying to turn a movement about resisting theocracy into yet another radical feminist echo chamber.

I just don't see it. I admit that sometimes my immediate knee-jerk reaction to some of their criticisms and complaints is "Oh, give me a farking break!", but usually when I've read their point of view on the subject, it makes sense why they might take offense to things that are said and done every day without thought.


Check out some of Thunderf00t's thoughts on the subject.  I don't know why the FTB don't just create their own radical feminist organization; that would be fine.  But it has nothing to do with skepticism or freethought.
 
2013-05-25 11:24:09 AM  

Dragonflew: nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.

It's OK, the Christians are helping their own too.  They're sending prayers.


www.maniacworld.com
 
2013-05-25 11:24:36 AM  

planes: [www.global-air.com image 150x195]

French philosopher Blaise Pascal reasoned that even though God may not exist, you should wager that he does, because you have everything to gain, and nothing to lose. (new window)


And Pascal's wager is flawed for several reasons:

Fallacy One: It assumes that there is only one god which can be believed in, the Christian one. This is not true, since there are thousands of gods that have been worshiped throughout time. This would have to be applied to each and every one of those gods to be true, and this would clearly be impossible, due to the clashing natures of many of the said gods.

Fallacy Two: It assumes that simply wagering on God will buy one entrance into Heaven. While this may be so, the Wager does not instill a belief, it instills an appearance of a belief. Since the god in question is presumed to be all-knowing, he would be able to tell a false from a true belief. Therefore, the belief from the Wager would not qualify should belief be the requirement for entrance into Heaven.

Fallacy Three: It ignores too many alternate possibilities - some of which are addressed by existing religions, and some which are not. Some examples: A God could reward on criteria which seem meaningless to us - hair color, taste in clothes, music etc. or A God might not be concerned with humans at all - the universe could be here for hydrogen for all we know. Or God may even reward those who don't believe.
 
Ant
2013-05-25 11:25:07 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: tenpoundsofcheese: /i wonder how many atheists believe in karma

A fair number, actually. Now that I have your attention, I have to explain a bit. They probably don't believe explicitly in karma, but something similar. And they aren't the flavor of atheist that I am (I'm the "there's nothing that science can't explain" type) but they certainly don't believe in any sort of god or god-like figure.


I don't believe in Karma. Vile people get away with all sorts of evil shiat all the time. What goes around does not necessarily come around. You do not always reap what you sow. The sooner people stop believing in this Just World/Karma/The Secret crap, the sooner we can start actually improving the world we really do have.

/atheist, by the way
 
2013-05-25 11:25:25 AM  
Churches help out their own. Atheists just did the same. Nobody needs to get butthurt about it.

/she deserved my $10 just for having to talk to Wolf Blitzer
//Wolf is pretty much Ron Burgundy at this point, right?
 
2013-05-25 11:27:46 AM  

Ant: I May Be Crazy But...: tenpoundsofcheese: /i wonder how many atheists believe in karma

A fair number, actually. Now that I have your attention, I have to explain a bit. They probably don't believe explicitly in karma, but something similar. And they aren't the flavor of atheist that I am (I'm the "there's nothing that science can't explain" type) but they certainly don't believe in any sort of god or god-like figure.

I don't believe in Karma. Vile people get away with all sorts of evil shiat all the time. What goes around does not necessarily come around. You do not always reap what you sow. The sooner people stop believing in this Just World/Karma/The Secret crap, the sooner we can start actually improving the world we really do have.

/atheist, by the way


Well, I want to point out that we do agree on all of this, friend.
 
2013-05-25 11:28:51 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: i upped my meds-up yours: We agnostics are like a dead cat in the left turn lane right now. We just keep getting run over and ignored.

Makes me want to find a bisexual woman and commisserate with her.

If internet porn has taught me anything, it's that bisexual women aren't ignored.


Three words for ya, I: Gender Studies Departments.
 
2013-05-25 11:30:13 AM  

Ant: I May Be Crazy But...: tenpoundsofcheese: /i wonder how many atheists believe in karma

A fair number, actually. Now that I have your attention, I have to explain a bit. They probably don't believe explicitly in karma, but something similar. And they aren't the flavor of atheist that I am (I'm the "there's nothing that science can't explain" type) but they certainly don't believe in any sort of god or god-like figure.

I don't believe in Karma. Vile people get away with all sorts of evil shiat all the time. What goes around does not necessarily come around. You do not always reap what you sow. The sooner people stop believing in this Just World/Karma/The Secret crap, the sooner we can start actually improving the world we really do have.

/atheist, by the way


You may well be right. I'm not going to voice an opinion on the subject and I'm not saying everyone believes what I said, just that some people do.

I guess I did sort of suggest what I must believe about it, but oh well.
 
2013-05-25 11:30:45 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: She's going to need those funds to emigrate out of OK, now that people know she's an atheist.  Some teabagger is going to exercise his 2nd Amendment solutions on her if she doesn't get out of town.


People don't like to have their comfortable dogma challenged.

"There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of him is aware that they are myths and that he believes them only because they are comforting. But he dare not face this thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed." - Bertrand Russell
 
2013-05-25 11:31:54 AM  

i upped my meds-up yours: I May Be Crazy But...: i upped my meds-up yours: We agnostics are like a dead cat in the left turn lane right now. We just keep getting run over and ignored.

Makes me want to find a bisexual woman and commisserate with her.

If internet porn has taught me anything, it's that bisexual women aren't ignored.

Three words for ya, I: Gender Studies Departments.


And if you want to engage in hours and hours and hours of discussions about gender studies, and cis privilege and non-heteronormative safe spaces, you can get involved in the deceptively named Atheism Plus movement.
 
2013-05-25 11:32:56 AM  

Repo Man: "There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of him is aware that they are myths and that he believes them only because they are comforting. But he dare not face this thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed." - Bertrand Russell


The thinking is kind of like how midwestern men think about clothes. They'd have to have an innate good taste, and repress it, to dress that badly all the time.
 
2013-05-25 11:40:00 AM  

i upped my meds-up yours: INeedAName: When will people realize that most of what takes place in the south isn't Christianity?

Civil War II.


You rang?
 
2013-05-25 11:51:05 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: tenpoundsofcheese: /i wonder how many atheists believe in karma

A fair number, actually. Now that I have your attention, I have to explain a bit. They probably don't believe explicitly in karma, but something similar. And they aren't the flavor of atheist that I am (I'm the "there's nothing that science can't explain" type) but they certainly don't believe in any sort of god or god-like figure.


Okay, but they believe in some sort of magical power in the sky that balances things out.

same thing for people who believe in luck, or superstition, or wearing a lucky shirt, or wearing your team baseball cap at a 30 degree angle during a game.
 
2013-05-25 11:55:11 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: I May Be Crazy But...: tenpoundsofcheese: /i wonder how many atheists believe in karma

A fair number, actually. Now that I have your attention, I have to explain a bit. They probably don't believe explicitly in karma, but something similar. And they aren't the flavor of atheist that I am (I'm the "there's nothing that science can't explain" type) but they certainly don't believe in any sort of god or god-like figure.

Okay, but they believe in some sort of magical power in the sky that balances things out.

same thing for people who believe in luck, or superstition, or wearing a lucky shirt, or wearing your team baseball cap at a 30 degree angle during a game.


You're right; all magical thinking is stupid.  There is, however, a big difference between wearing a lucky ballcap to "help" your team and believing that your magical invisible friend in the sky told you to treat another human being like crap because they don't believe in that same deity.

Some people knock on wood in a futile effort to tilt metaphysics in their favor, others use their belief in Mr. Kolob to deprive fellow Americans of civil rights.
 
2013-05-25 11:57:47 AM  
I'm an atheist and I never got why people have such strong reactions to the occasional thank god, you're blessed, or other such stuff.  It's just a social formula you mouth, like when you tell the taxi driver you'll never see again if your life to take care and have a nice day.  If someone preaches to me, I'll respond, but just smile, say thanks, and accept as the social nicety it was meant as.
 
2013-05-25 12:00:41 PM  
So that was worth 75,000.00 of "in your face!"?  Seriously?  No other uses for that much cash in the aftermath of a tornado except "Oh, you go girl" to this one nice young lady?
 
2013-05-25 12:01:25 PM  
 
2013-05-25 12:02:50 PM  
Although, to be fair, I made my donation be from God.
 
2013-05-25 12:03:40 PM  

ha-ha-guy: I'm an atheist and I never got why people have such strong reactions to the occasional thank god, you're blessed, or other such stuff.  It's just a social formula you mouth, like when you tell the taxi driver you'll never see again if your life to take care and have a nice day.  If someone preaches to me, I'll respond, but just smile, say thanks, and accept as the social nicety it was meant as.


Don't you thank the Lord for such a blessed outlook on life?
 
2013-05-25 12:10:26 PM  
I'd give her a lot of money if she had replied "Oh for sure Wolf! I thank god that he decided to spare me while he was slaughtering all my neighbors! They must have been praying to the wrong god ... I'm an atheist so I don't have that problem!".
 
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