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(Indiegogo)   Cool: Comedian Doug Stanhope starts an IndieGoGo campaign to raise $50,000 for the woman who said "I'm actually an atheist" after surviving the Oklahoma tornado. Really Cool: The goal was met in the first 24 hours. Fark: There are 59 days to go   (indiegogo.com) divider line 527
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2013-05-25 09:25:44 AM  
Waldo Pepper:

I seriously doubt she will face any repercussions for being an atheist in Ok, She might get some churches going out to minister to her and her family but that is about it.

Atheists in small southern towns face a ton of discrimination or downright hostility.  I will bet a lot of money that she winds up getting threatened over this.
 
2013-05-25 09:28:28 AM  

Evilhippie: stryed: I can't believe that, in this day and age, there are still atheists and believers.
It takes a lot more courage to say "I don't know, but let's find out", and to constantly juggle possible hypotheses on existence while we can.

I think you'll find that most atheists define themselves as not being able to disprove the existence of a god or gods, but rather say that the evidence presented makes it highly improbably they exist. In fact much like most religious feel about just about any other god than the one(s) they happen to believe in.
I think in that way many atheists actually have been on a long journey down the path you describe as "I don't know, but let's find out". In fact studies show that atheists as a group generally know more about religion and the religious scriptures than those who define themselves as religious. I think this is directly linked to a more inquisitive nature among most atheists compared to most religious.


I think you're right... except in the same way that most Christians are pretty much "Do unto others" sorts of Christians. Which most people quite like, because they're quite willing to say "You're an atheist? Could you watch my kids on Sunday night while my husband and I are at a church function? We'll watch yours on Tuesday night in return?". Most atheists are quite willing to say that they can't disprove the existence of the supernatural and leave it at that.

The atheists that we generally hear from in the media are the atheists who say "There Is No God! You're Stupid For Believing In God!" just like we generally hear the Christians who say "Did you just say "Happy Holidays"? STOP OPPRESSING ME!". Nice, polite, well reasoned and reasonable people just don't make the 24hr news cycle, sort of like how only the most flamboyant of the posters here get things heated. The ones who are reasonable and polite we just read, nod in agreement, maybe press "Smart", and go on. It's the ones we think of as idiots that we reply to.

/prefers to call himself Agnostic.
 
2013-05-25 09:28:41 AM  
I'm an atheist. My entire family is very strict Catholic. Most of my friends were made while attending catholic schools growing up, and who lived in my suburban town that was mostly Catholic. The reactions to me saying I am an atheist (which I have no problem discussing openly, but not unprompted) is split, almost evenly, between scorn,contempt, and pity ("You have no idea what you're talking about, but god loves you anyway") and acceptance, though curious. The latter parties at least allow the conversation on the topic to progress naturally without any defense or critique either way.

The frustrating part comes when the first group brings the question around to morality. It inevitably happens when someone gets comfortable discussing religion with a non-believer. "How can you know you are being a good person without a template to compare your life to?" Variations of this question have been posed to me only a handful of times, but each time I have grown exponentially more frustrated with the person asking. I've stopped trying to answer to it, and have become increasingly more prone to responses asking why they need the promise of reward and threat of punishment (heaven and hell) in order to do the right thing.

Anyhow, I think donating to someone who is an atheist simply because they are an atheist is divisive. It doesn't sit well. The "us vs. them" mentality that some atheists live by (also encouraged by the bible in passages about judgement day and the like) is nonsense. But I understand the atheists' (my own) frustration  that ultimately comes at the end of the argument. The occasional antagonistic religious person says something along the lines of, "Well, I guess we'll see who is right at the end of it all, won't we?"  This line reminds me that I will never be able to gloat. Being an atheist affords you no winner's circle. There's no venue in which to say "I told you so." But they usually smile smugly upon saying this and imagine themselves sitting at the right hand of god, up in the clouds, with rays of sunshine, angels with harps, etc, while I toil beneath them somewhere.

And that's when I punch them, or donate money to causes like this.
 
2013-05-25 09:28:57 AM  

durbnpoisn: For the record...  Atheists are not a formed group of people rallying against religion.  That's why I don't refer to myself included as "we" in a group of atheists, because I'm not.  I never joined a club.  I never signed any papers.  I just don't believe there is a god.  So I'm an atheist by definition.  Nothing more.

So whereas I agree with what this woman said to Wolf, I don't agree with Stanhope trying to rally all the "anti religious" people together under the banner of "See, us atheists can help too!!"


I respect your view.  I think you will find that at some point atheism will be classified as a religion of sort. Those who want power and money will find a way of taking a "non belief" and perverting it for their own benefit.

I'm a Christian and there is nothing pure about Big business religion.  Religion is created by man. Christianity should always be Christ focused and the mission is about leading people to God through Christ and not about "hey look at us Christians doing good or living well."

Keith Green sums up a lot of so called Christians pretty well in his song 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix8ddosjg-k
 
2013-05-25 09:30:10 AM  

Waldo Pepper: I think you will find that at some point atheism will be classified as a religion of sort.


There's no way to do it.
 
2013-05-25 09:30:27 AM  

willfullyobscure: Religion is an Atheism



I think that's accurate.  If your God is unfalsifiable, then in practical terms your experience is no different than the atheist's.  You will never be able to identify your God because there are no attributes that would distinguish it from any other entity.  You may see a large powerful being snapping his fingers and creating planets but how would you know the being is God?  It could just be a very powerful creature you hadn't thought of. Your God could just as easily be a rock on the side of a stream biding his time.
 
2013-05-25 09:31:07 AM  

Waldo Pepper: I seriously doubt she will face any repercussions for being an atheist in Ok, She might get some churches going out to minister to her and her family but that is about it.


I really hope not but I live in a FAR more liberal area than OK and I just keep my mouth shut about religion/politics. Hell, I'm not even a full fledged atheist and although I don't think Jebus was the son of god (in the magical/mystical sense) I still think it's quite possible, even probable he or someone like him at the time existed and that he was a pretty damned awesome guy. The thing is some people are unreasonable and even if there is only a small percentage of them all it takes is one unreasonable person to ruin your life if they decide to. The fact they are raising money for her is nice but personally I'm not sure I'd consider that a fair trade off for this kind of national exposure. Then again I'm not dumb enough to talk to reporters. Seriously why do people give those leeches the time of day? They very rarely have good intentions and once the spin machine kicks up bad bad things can happen. Not worth it just to get my ugly mug "on 'da tayvay".
 
2013-05-25 09:31:19 AM  

gimmegimme:
I don't know.  Early morning Saturday ramblings, but I hope that sheds some light on the difference between your majority of Christians and mine. :)

[www.religiouscriticism.com image 500x342]


That's such a stupid quote. Saying god is malevolent because he doesn't prevent every bad thing makes no sense. Most Americans could help many starving Africans by donating their money, but they don't and not doing so doesn't mean they wish evil upon them.
 
2013-05-25 09:31:52 AM  
The real butthurt on here is that Stanhope accomplished in one day what you all couldn't in 60.

Whatever did happen with the Biden Trans Am money anyway?
 
2013-05-25 09:32:25 AM  

Techhell: Evilhippie: stryed: I can't believe that, in this day and age, there are still atheists and believers.
It takes a lot more courage to say "I don't know, but let's find out", and to constantly juggle possible hypotheses on existence while we can.

I think you'll find that most atheists define themselves as not being able to disprove the existence of a god or gods, but rather say that the evidence presented makes it highly improbably they exist. In fact much like most religious feel about just about any other god than the one(s) they happen to believe in.
I think in that way many atheists actually have been on a long journey down the path you describe as "I don't know, but let's find out". In fact studies show that atheists as a group generally know more about religion and the religious scriptures than those who define themselves as religious. I think this is directly linked to a more inquisitive nature among most atheists compared to most religious.

I think you're right... except in the same way that most Christians are pretty much "Do unto others" sorts of Christians. Which most people quite like, because they're quite willing to say "You're an atheist? Could you watch my kids on Sunday night while my husband and I are at a church function? We'll watch yours on Tuesday night in return?". Most atheists are quite willing to say that they can't disprove the existence of the supernatural and leave it at that.

The atheists that we generally hear from in the media are the atheists who say "There Is No God! You're Stupid For Believing In God!" just like we generally hear the Christians who say "Did you just say "Happy Holidays"? STOP OPPRESSING ME!". Nice, polite, well reasoned and reasonable people just don't make the 24hr news cycle, sort of like how only the most flamboyant of the posters here get things heated. The ones who are reasonable and polite we just read, nod in agreement, maybe press "Smart", and go on. It's the ones we think of as idiots that we reply to.

...


I don't think this is fair.  The argument that atheists are really making when you see them on the news is, "Look, people can believe whatever they like, but the Governor should not make a governmental decree that all citizens should pray for rain."    Check out the Freedom From Religion Foundation.  All they want is for the Establishment Clause to be respected and they get and report on a ton of unpleasantness from religious people.
 
2013-05-25 09:33:43 AM  

YouAreIncorrect: gimmegimme:
I don't know.  Early morning Saturday ramblings, but I hope that sheds some light on the difference between your majority of Christians and mine. :)

[www.religiouscriticism.com image 500x342]

That's such a stupid quote. Saying god is malevolent because he doesn't prevent every bad thing makes no sense. Most Americans could help many starving Africans by donating their money, but they don't and not doing so doesn't mean they wish evil upon them.


Huh.  So what you're saying is that the world operates as it would if there were no god at all.
 
2013-05-25 09:34:18 AM  

YouAreIncorrect: gimmegimme:
I don't know.  Early morning Saturday ramblings, but I hope that sheds some light on the difference between your majority of Christians and mine. :)

[www.religiouscriticism.com image 500x342]

That's such a stupid quote. Saying god is malevolent because he doesn't prevent every bad thing makes no sense. Most Americans could help many starving Africans by donating their money, but they don't and not doing so doesn't mean they wish evil upon them.


Most Americans aren't the all-loving omnipotent creator of the Universe either.
 
2013-05-25 09:35:57 AM  

Via Infinito: Most Americans aren't the all-loving omnipotent creator of the Universe either.


Hey now... watch it with that thar commie talk or we'll send you to Gitmo.
 
2013-05-25 09:36:17 AM  

Via Infinito: YouAreIncorrect: gimmegimme:
I don't know.  Early morning Saturday ramblings, but I hope that sheds some light on the difference between your majority of Christians and mine. :)

[www.religiouscriticism.com image 500x342]

That's such a stupid quote. Saying god is malevolent because he doesn't prevent every bad thing makes no sense. Most Americans could help many starving Africans by donating their money, but they don't and not doing so doesn't mean they wish evil upon them.

Most Americans aren't the all-loving omnipotent creator of the Universe either.


Anyone who has even a passing familiarity with the bible would know that god is not all-loving.
 
2013-05-25 09:37:03 AM  

gimmegimme: YouAreIncorrect: gimmegimme:
I don't know.  Early morning Saturday ramblings, but I hope that sheds some light on the difference between your majority of Christians and mine. :)

[www.religiouscriticism.com image 500x342]

That's such a stupid quote. Saying god is malevolent because he doesn't prevent every bad thing makes no sense. Most Americans could help many starving Africans by donating their money, but they don't and not doing so doesn't mean they wish evil upon them.

Huh.  So what you're saying is that the world operates as it would if there were no god at all.


Since I'm atheist yes I would say that. Doesn't make the quote any less stupid.
 
2013-05-25 09:38:57 AM  
YouAreIncorrect:

Anyone who has even a passing familiarity with the bible would know that god is not all-loving. it is bad fanfiction derived from earlier religions.
 
2013-05-25 09:40:22 AM  
Waldo Pepper: I think you will find that at some point atheism will be classified as a religion of sort.

LasersHurt: There's no way to do it.

If this thread reaches critical mass, an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denial, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.

If only more Christians had faith as great as these.
 
2013-05-25 09:42:28 AM  

letrole: Waldo Pepper: I think you will find that at some point atheism will be classified as a religion of sort.

LasersHurt: There's no way to do it.

If this thread reaches critical mass, an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denial, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.

If only more Christians had faith as great as these.


Thanks for playing, letrole, you're always a real hoot.
 
2013-05-25 09:42:31 AM  
YouAreIncorrect:

That's such a stupid quote. Saying god is malevolent because he doesn't prevent every bad thing makes no sense. Most Americans could help many starving Africans by donating their money, but they don't and not doing so doesn't mean they wish evil upon them.

You are in all seriousness comparing the flawed mammal, that is callled man, to a being of infinite goodness and power? Because either you are limiting the god-being to the confinements of human behaviourism or you grant mankind the same expectancy that you would bestow upon a divine, omnipotent and infinitely good being.
Either way, I think you are confused with the point the quote is making.
 
2013-05-25 09:42:31 AM  

YouAreIncorrect: Via Infinito: YouAreIncorrect: gimmegimme:
I don't know.  Early morning Saturday ramblings, but I hope that sheds some light on the difference between your majority of Christians and mine. :)

[www.religiouscriticism.com image 500x342]

That's such a stupid quote. Saying god is malevolent because he doesn't prevent every bad thing makes no sense. Most Americans could help many starving Africans by donating their money, but they don't and not doing so doesn't mean they wish evil upon them.

Most Americans aren't the all-loving omnipotent creator of the Universe either.

Anyone who has even a passing familiarity with the bible would know that god is not all-loving.


So you're contradicting... yourself?
 
2013-05-25 09:44:02 AM  

lesliessexxy: Benevolent Misanthrope:

I've honestly never met a person who identified as "religious" who did not see the world through the lens of their religion.  In the Christian example - the one we often see cited - their god is thanked for all good, through his omnipotence (and by the way - he must be really relieved he no longer has to worry about fixing games for that Tebow dude)... but they never seem to hold their god accountable for the bad stuff that, if he's all-powerful, he either created or allowed.  Why? Because God is all good.  So, it's a model of ingrained circular reasoning, and something that is, indeed, drilled into believers by many means.  That's just one.bub


I'm not sure if anyone's touched on this yet, but I'd like to touch on the boldiness.  You say "they" as if ALL believers do that.  You'll find that the majority of us (at least the ones I know, and I'm in TEXAS. Grew up in a VERY religious town and didn't believe growing up) understand that bad and good things have to happen.  We can't put God into a box and say "these are His behaviors and this is how He should act in each scenario" because God is not finite.  His ways are incomprehensible to me, and I've stopped trying to ... I guess... figure out what will happen based on certain factors.  Sure, I make educated decisions based on my surroundings, but I know that there will always be something I didn't think of that could happen at any time to steer me back to whatever path was written out for me.

I don't help people because I feel I'm supposed to or I'll go to Hell.  I do it because I feel  a pull within to do it. Like I'm supposed to be doing it, even if it's dumb and it sucks sometimes.  That's how all of the people of faith I know live as well.

I don't know.  Early morning Saturday ramblings, but I hope that sheds some light on the difference between your majority of Christians and mine. :)


I know the argument. God works in mysterious ways. So, if you aren't going to hold him accountable for bad stuff (you did this), why do you thank him for good stuff (you gave me this)? My point ( and it's early for me too) is, that pull you feel within is not a god. It's humanity. And the belief that there is a god writing out your path and all the rest is harmful not because we disagree, but because it trains people not to take responsibility on a deep level (god has a plan for me, what me worry) and keeps people trapped in that world of mythology. Which many of us have left, and are really tired of being dragged back into.

Look at it this way - unless you worship Zeus, Freya, Anansi, Ganesh, and all the rest, then you're an atheist, too. I just believe in one fewer god than you.
 
2013-05-25 09:45:55 AM  

Via Infinito: YouAreIncorrect: Via Infinito: YouAreIncorrect: gimmegimme:
I don't know.  Early morning Saturday ramblings, but I hope that sheds some light on the difference between your majority of Christians and mine. :)

[www.religiouscriticism.com image 500x342]

That's such a stupid quote. Saying god is malevolent because he doesn't prevent every bad thing makes no sense. Most Americans could help many starving Africans by donating their money, but they don't and not doing so doesn't mean they wish evil upon them.

Most Americans aren't the all-loving omnipotent creator of the Universe either.

Anyone who has even a passing familiarity with the bible would know that god is not all-loving.

So you're contradicting... yourself?


Perhaps you could point out the contradiction. Malevolent is defined as "Having or showing a wish to do evil to others." Are you saying that being not all-loving means you wish evil on others?
 
2013-05-25 09:46:36 AM  
Considering how many time the Rapture and end times have come already, it's amazing how many of you are still here.

An alternative view: the Rapture has come and gone as predicted by various people. There's a reason many of you Christians are  still here.
 
2013-05-25 09:46:50 AM  
LasersHurt: Thanks for playing, letrole, you're always a real hoot.

And you're not.
 
2013-05-25 09:47:12 AM  
And is Blitzer ill or something? He's looking very thin.
 
2013-05-25 09:47:47 AM  
I'm a Christian, and I think it's completely rude to make assumptions about the religious beliefs of other people. It's a hundred times as rude to do so on TV. This shouldn't be about pitting one belief vs. another. This should be about Wolf being a dick to someone who just narrowly escaped tragedy.
 
2013-05-25 09:47:53 AM  

letrole: LasersHurt: Thanks for playing, letrole, you're always a real hoot.

And you're not.


Well if you're not even gonna be a good sport, where's the fun for anyone?
 
2013-05-25 09:48:27 AM  

Evilhippie: YouAreIncorrect:

That's such a stupid quote. Saying god is malevolent because he doesn't prevent every bad thing makes no sense. Most Americans could help many starving Africans by donating their money, but they don't and not doing so doesn't mean they wish evil upon them.

You are in all seriousness comparing the flawed mammal, that is callled man, to a being of infinite goodness and power? Because either you are limiting the god-being to the confinements of human behaviourism or you grant mankind the same expectancy that you would bestow upon a divine, omnipotent and infinitely good being.
Either way, I think you are confused with the point the quote is making.


Once again, you're adding attributes to the christian god that has never been claimed. Omnipotent yes, but all good? Where is that claimed?
 
2013-05-25 09:53:51 AM  
Believe what you want... but you may be wrong
 
2013-05-25 09:55:12 AM  

Techhell: LasersHurt: The Billdozer: Its important because you want it to be. I'll give you a life tip: Although discrimination of all types exists, more and more people are fine tuning it to discriminate against one type... Assholes. Blitzer was an asshole for leading the interview this way and asking a loaded question, the lady was an asshole for having to have her 15 seconds of internet neckbeard fame for proclaiming her non-faith which had jack shiat to do with the situation, and Stanhope is an asshole because he's using this opportunity to further his own shiatty agenda and career.

So you are simply ignorant and dismissive.

You must be new here, LasersHurt. Welcome to Fark! Yes indeed, the persona of "The Billdozer" is quite ignorant and dismissive about many things, this being just one of a litany of examples! But he can be so much fun to read and wonder "Just how much of this stuff does his creator actually believe, how much has he come to believe, and how many times is he sitting at a keyboard googling "Crazy Things People Say", copying and pasting then changing enough words to not be a direct plagiarism of someone else?"

And, of course, in the end it doesn't matter what the answer is because it can be so much fun to pinch the persona's cheeks and troll with "Who's a cute little troll? Who's a cute little troll! You are! You are!"


I love you, too.
 
2013-05-25 09:56:32 AM  

DoctorCal: I think it's quite possible that Wolf is patronizing her, and hoping for a highly emotional, affirmative response just for the entertainment value.

I mean, he's Jewish, so...thank the Lord, thank the Lord doesn't seem like it would be his sincere reaction.


?  Because Jews haven't heard of God?

If you watch the video, the first time he asks her she says "yuh."  After he presser her, "Do you thank the Lord?" she says, "Actually, I'm an atheist."  That's not attention whoring.  There is somebody downtown with a bullhorn right now berating people for not having the loud person's identical beliefs.  That's attention whoring.  I'm going to give her a donation just for getting Wolf to STFU with his assumptions about her.
There was also the "lost dog" woman, who when the interviewer asked "Are you able to comprehend yet what happened here?" and she said "I know exactly what happened here."
I have to admit that these two women gave me a lot more respect for the people of Oklahoma.  No tears and self-pity, just straightforward plain speaking.
 
2013-05-25 09:57:14 AM  
 

YouAreIncorrect: Evilhippie: YouAreIncorrect:

That's such a stupid quote. Saying god is malevolent because he doesn't prevent every bad thing makes no sense. Most Americans could help many starving Africans by donating their money, but they don't and not doing so doesn't mean they wish evil upon them.

You are in all seriousness comparing the flawed mammal, that is callled man, to a being of infinite goodness and power? Because either you are limiting the god-being to the confinements of human behaviourism or you grant mankind the same expectancy that you would bestow upon a divine, omnipotent and infinitely good being.
Either way, I think you are confused with the point the quote is making.

Once again, you're adding attributes to the christian god that has never been claimed. Omnipotent yes, but all good? Where is that claimed?


1 John 4:7-8Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.  Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

I was raised protestant, and our preacher was very big on god being all-loving and all good. Of course during the ages Christians have bickered over who or what God is, as they still do. And there's definitely many examples of worship of a rather vengeful and capricious god, of which you could find many quotes in the bible to base of off.
But if you seriously are saying that Christian preachers do not preach of an all-loving, and benevolent god, I don't think we are from the same planet. Certainly you can pretty much find bible quotes to "support" the claim of a malignant god.
 
2013-05-25 09:58:11 AM  
What would be really cool is if she took the money and donated it to the rest of her community as well. She seems like the type of person awesome enough to do that. May empathy from other humans or god help these people who are suffering, whichever we need to believe (or both).
 
2013-05-25 09:59:10 AM  

DoctorCal: Langston: I'm happy that the woman is being helped. I hope that everyone who suffered loss is as fortunate.

Hope isn't enough.


We're gonna need you to pray.


This is the greatest thing I've read in a while.
 
2013-05-25 09:59:39 AM  
LasersHurt: Well if you're not even gonna be a good sport, where's the fun for anyone?

shh, just listen, here's your fun

that stoopid epicurus shiat has started y.e.t a.g.a.i.n

almost as lame as the bald-headed stamp collector rubbish that larval-stage atheists think is clever and profound
 
2013-05-25 10:01:43 AM  

LasersHurt: Waldo Pepper: I think you will find that at some point atheism will be classified as a religion of sort.

There's no way to do it.


When this is money to be made and power to be gained someone will find a way to make it happen.
 
2013-05-25 10:07:52 AM  

Waldo Pepper: LasersHurt: Waldo Pepper: I think you will find that at some point atheism will be classified as a religion of sort.

There's no way to do it.

When this is money to be made and power to be gained someone will find a way to make it happen.


But it would categorically NOT be atheism, then. The very definition of the word prohibits it.
 
2013-05-25 10:08:41 AM  

Evilhippie: YouAreIncorrect: Evilhippie: YouAreIncorrect:

That's such a stupid quote. Saying god is malevolent because he doesn't prevent every bad thing makes no sense. Most Americans could help many starving Africans by donating their money, but they don't and not doing so doesn't mean they wish evil upon them.

You are in all seriousness comparing the flawed mammal, that is callled man, to a being of infinite goodness and power? Because either you are limiting the god-being to the confinements of human behaviourism or you grant mankind the same expectancy that you would bestow upon a divine, omnipotent and infinitely good being.
Either way, I think you are confused with the point the quote is making.

Once again, you're adding attributes to the christian god that has never been claimed. Omnipotent yes, but all good? Where is that claimed?

1 John 4:7-8Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.  Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

I was raised protestant, and our preacher was very big on god being all-loving and all good. Of course during the ages Christians have bickered over who or what God is, as they still do. And there's definitely many examples of worship of a rather vengeful and capricious god, of which you could find many quotes in the bible to base of off.
But if you seriously are saying that Christian preachers do not preach of an all-loving, and benevolent god, I don't think we are from the same planet. Certainly you can pretty much find bible quotes to "support" the claim of a malignant god.


When I said who claims it I meant from the bible (or god) itself, not preachers, but fair enough with providing the quote. My take on that is actions speak louder than words, and god certainly isn't portrayed as all loving through actions.

I'm simply saying he would fit more in a father figure role, where sometimes you have to let bad crap happen even if you can prevent it.
 
2013-05-25 10:09:15 AM  

LasersHurt: Waldo Pepper: LasersHurt: Waldo Pepper: I think you will find that at some point atheism will be classified as a religion of sort.

There's no way to do it.

When this is money to be made and power to be gained someone will find a way to make it happen.

But it would categorically NOT be atheism, then. The very definition of the word prohibits it.


Though that certainly doesn't mean that some individuals or groups won't attempt to do so.
 
2013-05-25 10:11:13 AM  
YouAreIncorrect:

When I said who claims it I meant from the bible (or god) itself, not preachers, but fair enough with providing the quote. My take on that is actions speak louder than words, and god certainly isn't portrayed as all loving through actions.

I'm simply saying he would fit more in a father figure role, where sometimes you have to let bad crap happen even if you can prevent it.


That's certainly the only god that would fit with his/her creation.
 
2013-05-25 10:16:02 AM  
It's a miracle!
 
2013-05-25 10:16:03 AM  

LasersHurt: Waldo Pepper: LasersHurt: Waldo Pepper: I think you will find that at some point atheism will be classified as a religion of sort.

There's no way to do it.

When this is money to be made and power to be gained someone will find a way to make it happen.

But it would categorically NOT be atheism, then. The very definition of the word prohibits it.


Definitions of that word can change over time.
 
2013-05-25 10:21:40 AM  
Atheists prove they are better than religious people by acting just like them.
 
2013-05-25 10:23:59 AM  
A lot of douchebags in this thread. I"m sure you are not friends with many people because of your atheism. There's no way it can be because you're unpleasant assholes.  Nope. Its religion.
 
2013-05-25 10:26:06 AM  
enjoy your stay in hell...
 
2013-05-25 10:27:42 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The impact of getting Rebecca and her family properly housed by the atheist community will do far more good than sitting in bars or chat rooms mocking people of faith. Like religion, free-thinking will be more easily spread through compassion and decency.

Unfortunately, those servile f*ckwits have an answer for that one.  "It's just God acting in His own way, even through those atheists, isn't He clever!" they'll bleat.  There are none so blind as those who will not see.  Religious people are incapable of that kind of rational thought.  Seriously.


If you are depending on atheist compassion and deceny to spread atheisim.... the future of religion is very bright indeed. Atheists are not self aware enough to realize that their arrogant self important pathological behavior is a bigger turn off to the merely non-religious than to theists.

Seriously.... if Doug Stanhope is your moral and ethical ideal... you got bigger problems.
 
2013-05-25 10:33:01 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: lol at the thought of this woman being in danger because she's an atheist in Oklahoma. Some of you weirdos really need to get out more


Seriously, that's some prejudice against middle Americans right there. I'm guessing most of the people who are saying this are from the Coastal areas (minus the South). I swear, they think that middle Americans go around all day barefoot in overalls, looking for people to lynch in the name of God.

(You want to see how Coastal Americans are so wrapped up in their world view, Middle Americans? Tell them one simple thing. Tell them that you've never seen the ocean and watch their minds be blown. Their reaction will be, "What? You've never seen the ocean. How can you've never seen the ocean?!" It will never occur to them that, of course, you've seen the ocean since you live in a landlocked state.)
 
2013-05-25 10:36:03 AM  

Hoban Washburne: Nabb1: Of course. I am sure it is as you say.

I've heard things like this as well as "People would have no morality if it wasn't for religion" arguments from religious people way more times than I can count.  I have a very tolerant non fundamentalist Christian friend ask me once how I would instil morals in my children without religion.  She wasn't trying to be mean about it, just asking because we were talking about religion/atheism.  She's one of the nice ones.



Dude, chill.  Christian's tend to use the Bible as a study book on how to behave; whether or not you personally agree with the behavioral formula or it's practice is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure she was simply asking what framework you will use.  Jumping to the conclusion that your "non fundamentalist friend" is incapable of seeing any future for your children other than base amorality without religion clearly shows that she may not be the one who needs tolerance.
 
2013-05-25 10:38:48 AM  

Nabb1: Benevolent Misanthrope: Nabb1: the fact that you spew hatred and vile and misinformation regarding people who do not share your worldview with the narrow-minded evangelicals I encountered growing up in parts of South Carolina. You're really not that much different when it comes down to your basic disdain for most of humanity.

Wow.  Okay...

I'll just bow out here.  You're not making sense and it's obvious you're upset.

I will say this:  I don't disdain humanity.  I disdain people who take advantage of other people and who indoctrinate them to be taken advantage of.  And I disdain people who refuse to think.

On second thought, with that last one, perhaps I do disdain most humans.  Hmm.

Sure, people who don't see the world the way you do just refuse to think. No, you're not prejudiced at all.


And this is why I have him tagged as terrified white man. Never saw a person see more frightening bigotry against whites, christians and men... almost like he lives in a slightly different existence than the real one.
 
2013-05-25 10:42:01 AM  
Doug Stanhope?  I have heard of that unfunny piece of crap since The Man Show went off the air.  Way to make a political statement out of a tragedy Mr. Stanhope and every other neckbeard atheist mouthbreather cheering this on.
 
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