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(Indiegogo)   Cool: Comedian Doug Stanhope starts an IndieGoGo campaign to raise $50,000 for the woman who said "I'm actually an atheist" after surviving the Oklahoma tornado. Really Cool: The goal was met in the first 24 hours. Fark: There are 59 days to go   (indiegogo.com) divider line 527
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2013-05-25 07:12:07 AM

LasersHurt: liam76: I don't agree with your assessment, but I think we both agree they don't say their charity only goes to christians.

An, in a general sense, neither do atheists. Let's all remember that this one campaign /= the sum total of atheist giving.


I am highlighting the problem with "this one campaign".

He should have set up a charity "atheists for tornado relief".
 
2013-05-25 07:14:23 AM

DrewFL: im sure the "randomly atheist" winner was vetted and their home inspected for F5 code.



Glenn Beck: Wolf Blitzer's Atheist Interview Was A Setup
 
2013-05-25 07:17:29 AM

liam76: He should have set up a charity "atheists for tornado relief".


Maybe. Maybe not. He did this instead. Seems a little "on the nose" for me, but I also kind of get it. After that interview, that woman got a lot of grief from people - even locals - for having the gall to be atheist. This is kind of a "screw you" back to those people.

Not my cup of tea, but meh.

The Billdozer: To dumb it down:

I get why people don't collect stamps.

I don't get why a subset of these same people have groups, charities, people who wrote blogs and books, and are extremely vocal about their disdain for not collecting stamps and then biatch and whine when people point out their non-hobby "hobby".


This has been explained so many times that I'm not going to go into detail here, but you MUST know that that's an absurd comparison? People who don't collect stamps don't get threatened and discriminated against. People who don't collect stamps aren't legally prohibited from holding offices in some places. People who don't collect stamps are not rated as less trustworthy than criminals by the majority of Americans.

It's different because it's different. It's important to atheists because NON atheists MAKE it important.
 
2013-05-25 07:18:25 AM

DrewFL: It was an exceedingly mean and shiatty thing to do.


In what farking way, you loon?
 
2013-05-25 07:21:11 AM
The Billdozer: I don't get why a subset of these same people have groups, charities, people who wrote blogs and books, and are extremely vocal about their disdain for not collecting stamps and then biatch and whine when people point out their non-hobby "hobby".

Atheism is indeed a Religion, just not a very good one. One of the tenets of this religion is that this religion isn't a religion, because religion is for saps.

It reminds me of the motto of the Moderation Party: "Only Radicals need a motto".
 
2013-05-25 07:24:44 AM

letrole: The Billdozer: I don't get why a subset of these same people have groups, charities, people who wrote blogs and books, and are extremely vocal about their disdain for not collecting stamps and then biatch and whine when people point out their non-hobby "hobby".

Atheism is indeed a Religion, just not a very good one. One of the tenets of this religion is that this religion isn't a religion, because religion is for saps.

It reminds me of the motto of the Moderation Party: "Only Radicals need a motto".


Hey, look!


Someone updated its auto-reply script database!
 
2013-05-25 07:25:38 AM

letrole: Atheism is indeed a Religion, just not a very good one. One of the tenets of this religion is that this religion isn't a religion, because religion is for saps.

It reminds me of the motto of the Moderation Party: "Only Radicals need a motto".


Just what a filthy neutral would say.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-25 07:27:29 AM

LasersHurt: liam76: He should have set up a charity "atheists for tornado relief".

Maybe. Maybe not. He did this instead. Seems a little "on the nose" for me, but I also kind of get it. After that interview, that woman got a lot of grief from people - even locals - for having the gall to be atheist. This is kind of a "screw you" back to those people.

Not my cup of tea, but meh.

The Billdozer: To dumb it down:

I get why people don't collect stamps.

I don't get why a subset of these same people have groups, charities, people who wrote blogs and books, and are extremely vocal about their disdain for not collecting stamps and then biatch and whine when people point out their non-hobby "hobby".

This has been explained so many times that I'm not going to go into detail here, but you MUST know that that's an absurd comparison? People who don't collect stamps don't get threatened and discriminated against. People who don't collect stamps aren't legally prohibited from holding offices in some places. People who don't collect stamps are not rated as less trustworthy than criminals by the majority of Americans.

It's different because it's different. It's important to atheists because NON atheists MAKE it important.


Its important because you want it to be. I'll give you a life tip: Although discrimination of all types exists, more and more people are fine tuning it to discriminate against one type... Assholes. Blitzer was an asshole for leading the interview this way and asking a loaded question, the lady was an asshole for having to have her 15 seconds of internet neckbeard fame for proclaiming her non-faith which had jack shiat to do with the situation, and Stanhope is an asshole because he's using this opportunity to further his own shiatty agenda and career.
 
2013-05-25 07:28:14 AM
for all you twits know she could be a shiatty mother, a meth head, and generally all around bad person.  she probably isn't but she could be and none of you would know the difference or even care.

I love stanhope (I've got 7 of his albums on my phone) but ffs he's like a broken record with the militant atheism.  he could also stand to distance himself a bit from Alex Jones (see the Austin incident).
 
2013-05-25 07:29:14 AM

The Billdozer: Its important because you want it to be. I'll give you a life tip: Although discrimination of all types exists, more and more people are fine tuning it to discriminate against one type... Assholes. Blitzer was an asshole for leading the interview this way and asking a loaded question, the lady was an asshole for having to have her 15 seconds of internet neckbeard fame for proclaiming her non-faith which had jack shiat to do with the situation, and Stanhope is an asshole because he's using this opportunity to further his own shiatty agenda and career.


So you are simply ignorant and dismissive.
 
2013-05-25 07:29:23 AM

liam76: He should have set up a charity "atheists for tornado relief".


Why, when we can just donate to the Red Cross, and don't have to invent a self-aggrandizing competing organization that would likely be less efficient?

There are a lot of people getting support through their churches because they are members of their churches, I guarantee.
 
2013-05-25 07:31:50 AM

maggoo: INeedAName: So an F5 tornado hits Oklahoma, and some people are getting together to raise money to help one specific person?

I have little care about the reason why you give, but I do care when people are prejudicial about their giving.

Hypocrites.

How many times did you made that comment about members of a cult organizing themselves under the pretext of helping other members of their cult?


Your criticism would be warranted if the check I wrote said Christians Only. Instead we have a group of people who are heaping praise on someone engaging in discrimination, but since it benefits the people we like, it's okay?
 
2013-05-25 07:32:05 AM
why should I send the Christians anything?  God will provide!
 
2013-05-25 07:32:31 AM

LasersHurt: After that interview, that woman got a lot of grief from people - even locals - for having the gall to be atheist.


Did she?  That is news to me.

Any links?  I heard the regular nuts claiming she was a plant but I didn't hear of her getting any grief.
 
2013-05-25 07:33:51 AM
Generosity like that is proof that God exists.
 
2013-05-25 07:35:02 AM
It appears to me that what happened in this interview, is precisely the sort of thing I wish more people would say.  Every time there is a disaster, someone is there praying to God to help them rebuild.  There are a bunch of others who were not affected at all, praying to God to help also.
WHERE WAS GOD BEFORE THE TRAGEDY?!?

And lets not forget about jerkoffs like Tim Teebow who literally pray to God every time he steps out on to the field.  So, in his view, God is going to pay more attention to the game than to little children being smashed in a school, or any of the other gazillion tragedies that happen every day.  Or music award shows, where the winning artists "thank you" speech always opens with "Thank God, of course".  In other words, "Fark all the rest of you people.  I've got 15 BMWs!!"

That's one of the things that has always annoyed me about religious types.  And it's also the reason I think this woman answered that stupid farking question about whether she is thanking the Lord, she essentially said, "Fark you, you idiot!  I don't even believe in God.  Do you think this is helping any?!"
 
2013-05-25 07:35:54 AM

liam76: LasersHurt: After that interview, that woman got a lot of grief from people - even locals - for having the gall to be atheist.

Did she?  That is news to me.

Any links?  I heard the regular nuts claiming she was a plant but I didn't hear of her getting any grief.


After a bit of searching I couldn't find what I had read before, so take it with a grain of salt. If I come across it I'll try to remember to post it.
 
2013-05-25 07:37:23 AM

INeedAName: Instead we have a group of people who are heaping praise on someone engaging in discrimination, but since it benefits the people we like, it's okay?


Giving something to ONE PERSON is discrimination?

If I give my friend 10 bucks, am I discriminating against you?
 
2013-05-25 07:41:26 AM

fat boy: Little does she know that The Flying Spaghetti Monster works in mysterious ways.

R'Amen


sure does
 
2013-05-25 07:41:48 AM
"I am the Lord, and there is no other; I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things" - Isaiah 45:6b-7

Ummm, thanks, Lord, for sparing me from the tornado you sent after me?
 
2013-05-25 07:42:11 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Nabb1: nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.

Kind of agree.  I don't know if that was the intent, but it kind of smacks of some backdoor prejudices.

I donated not because she was an atheist, but because she came out of the closet as an atheist in an area where this could get her ostracized or even harmed.  By good, charitable Christian folk.  That kind of courage and willingness to tell the truth should be rewarded.


I kind of doubt that she will be ostracized or harmed . Speaking your mind about being an athiest isn't really frowned upon these days . Even if it's in a place that you" imagined" would be backwards and rural . I'm pretty sure there are some gangstas, goths and juggalo's around there also .
 
2013-05-25 07:45:36 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: The impact of getting Rebecca and her family properly housed by the atheist community will do far more good than sitting in bars or chat rooms mocking people of faith. Like religion, free-thinking will be more easily spread through compassion and decency.

Unfortunately, those servile f*ckwits have an answer for that one.  "It's just God acting in His own way, even through those atheists, isn't He clever!" they'll bleat.  There are none so blind as those who will not see.  Religious people are incapable of that kind of rational thought.  Seriously.


Well my hypothetical atheists will just spend that donation money on abortions.
 
2013-05-25 07:46:18 AM

starlost: allah


In Arabic, "Al" means "the" and "Ah" means essence, breath, or Holy Spirit. The literal translation for "Allah" is "The Holy Spirit". It's not a name, it's a description. And since Christians hold that The Holy Spirit is of the Trinity, and that the Trinity is one God, the translation to "God" is accurate.

The word "God" is not a name either. see Exodus 3:14
 
2013-05-25 07:47:06 AM

nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.


This.
 
2013-05-25 07:47:13 AM
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh I needed a good laugh, thanks believers!
 
2013-05-25 07:48:50 AM
Welder's Union helps a Welder: OK
Teachers help a teacher: OK
Left-handers help a left-hander: OK
Atheists help an atheist: NOT OK
 
2013-05-25 07:49:38 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Nabb1: nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.

Kind of agree.  I don't know if that was the intent, but it kind of smacks of some backdoor prejudices.

I donated not because she was an atheist, but because she came out of the closet as an atheist in an area where this could get her ostracized or even harmed.  By good, charitable Christian folk.  That kind of courage and willingness to tell the truth should be rewarded.


What would you say if someone assumed a group of people would commit crimes just because they were black or Latino?  My God (pun intended), you're a hypocrite.
 
2013-05-25 07:49:52 AM

nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.


same here.  Now if the atheists set up soup kitchens and help millions eat each year, they will be on a level playing field with the christians they despise so much.  i say despise, because look at tfa.  Come on liberal elites, you can do it ;)

/get fsm to fix my shift key, too
 
2013-05-25 07:52:39 AM

John Buck 41: [static.jokes-db.com image 294x400]

Atheists are so cute


The woman in question was NOT whoring for attention about Atheism. She probably never would have mentioned it if she hadn't been PUSHED into saying something. So, y'know. Suck it.
 
2013-05-25 07:53:03 AM

stonelotus: for all you twits know she could be a shiatty mother, a meth head, and generally all around bad person.  she probably isn't but she could be and none of you would know the difference or even care.

I love stanhope (I've got 7 of his albums on my phone) but ffs he's like a broken record with the militant atheism.  he could also stand to distance himself a bit from Alex Jones (see the Austin incident).


So we shouldn't help her because of that? I'm not picking up what you're putting down here. We should only help "good" people?
 
2013-05-25 07:53:34 AM
The Billdozer:
To dumb it down:

I get why people don't collect stamps.

I don't get why a subset of these same people have groups, charities, people who wrote blogs and books, and are extremely vocal about their disdain for not collecting stamps and then biatch and whine when people point out their non-hobby "hobby".


Though your initial statement was indeed dumb; most blanket statements tend to be. I agree your following attempt to explain your bigoted opinion is even dumber. I'm not even going to waste time explaining why, since you can just read up on the last couple of post.
 
2013-05-25 07:53:53 AM

Sir VG: dforkus: Wha profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his soul.,

Matthew 16:26 I believe.

...

Tell me, what were Lisa's last words?


"You have your mother's eyes."

/SotN was a great game, wasn't it?
 
2013-05-25 07:55:16 AM

Nabb1: Benevolent Misanthrope:

So, you're saying that there are religious people who attribute the good things that happen in this world to something other than the positive workings of their belief system?  That Christians in particular (since I'm fairly certain that's the overwhelming majority in Oklahoma) don't attribute positive things to "God's Grace"?

Huh.  News to me.

Wow. That's a lot of inaccurate broad assumptions you've got going there. Is there some reason you seem so hateful of so many people who have never done you any harm? Sure, some may believe that. I know countless who don't. It's certainly not anything I was taught growing up.  You can be prejudiced if you want, but at least get your facts straight.


Not wanting anything to do with religion is not prejudice, if you have the freedom of religion I would like the freedom from religion, me not wanting to hear anything about religion should be a right as well.
I respect your right to your beliefs so whats the deal with respecting my beliefs that it has no place in society outside of your church or home.
 
2013-05-25 07:56:30 AM

kimmygibblershomework: nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.

same here.  Now if the atheists set up soup kitchens and help millions eat each year, they will be on a level playing field with the christians they despise so much.  i say despise, because look at tfa.  Come on liberal elites, you can do it ;)

/get fsm to fix my shift key, too


We do, we just don't generally do it under YE OLDE ATHEIST BANNER, and when some do...well hey lookie lookie. And as to 'despise' I know Christians loooove to play the underdog and the persecution card, but that's farking redonkulous.

I'm more than willing to bet I've done more for humanity than most 'Christians', and with zero expectation of reward in the hereafter. Nor do I do it to impress anyone about atheism. I do it because I'm a humanist. And if someone can come up and say 'nuh uh...' then I say...WOOT! Great! Awesome! More help for more people, woo hoo. Because THAT is the farking goal.

Suck it.
 
2013-05-25 07:58:29 AM
So atheists only take care of people who share their beliefs and the Christians take care of everyone.  And the Christians are the bad guys?
 
2013-05-25 07:59:42 AM

Thisbymaster: So atheists only take care of people who share their beliefs and the Christians take care of everyone.  And the Christians are the bad guys?


Do you really believe this is the ONLY giving, at all, that will or has been done by Atheists? Really? Surely you are not so ignorant.
 
2013-05-25 08:00:45 AM

Thisbymaster: So atheists only take care of people who share their beliefs and the Christians take care of everyone.  And the Christians are the bad guys?


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-05-25 08:01:11 AM
god is a pooka
 
2013-05-25 08:01:59 AM

Thisbymaster: So atheists only take care of people who share their beliefs and the Christians take care of everyone.  And the Christians are the bad guys?


It was a good effort on your part but I'm sorry, you just don't have what it takes for the big leagues.
 
2013-05-25 08:03:40 AM

Dinki: The religionists have made an industry out of showing everyone how charitable they are, and how that charity must flow from their religion.

 
2013-05-25 08:04:02 AM
Anyone read the perks offered on that site?  "Get out of hell free" card, "First choice for reincarnation, " etc.

Personally I didn't find them funny and they detract from the classiness of the overall effort, if you ask me.
 
2013-05-25 08:04:52 AM

Nabb1: nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.

Kind of agree.  I don't know if that was the intent, but it kind of smacks of some backdoor prejudices.


Stanhope is funny as hell and an evangelical atheist.

As a firm "believe what you want and I'll do the same without pushing it on you" kind of guy it's the one part of his personality that irritates me.
 
2013-05-25 08:05:29 AM

Some Bass Playing Guy: You're not an atheist, you're an anti-theist. And you're doing a brilliant job of reinforcing the negative stereotype too many people have of atheists.


Oh well, I'll just say THIS.
/Fark
//where the non religious come to hate the religious.
 
2013-05-25 08:05:35 AM
The mechanics of any church are engineered to help out their own, this is how and why they exist. They pool their capital and then direct it to the less fortunate among them. It is a kind and thoughtful system.

They all have criteria on which they base their decisions to help, some are egalitarian, some are less so. Some just pay their pastors extravagantly and build monuments to themselves. Most of them pat themselves on the back. People go to church for all kinds of different reasons.

As a Katrina participant I saved the lives of a handful of people and changed the odds for dozens more. I lost a great deal. I got a new set of tires from the Red Cross, a sack of barbecue from Laney's of Selma, and $40 plus two packs of cigarettes from a guy at a gas station. I was not approached by any church.
 
2013-05-25 08:06:26 AM
Every time these threads come up and people come out of the woodwork to smack on atheists, I wonder what planet they're from.  There are Christian fundies all over America forcing laws and policy, based on their religious values, onto all of us.  From the Christian war on Planned Parenthood and reproductive rights, to the relegation of gays and lesbians as second-class citizens, to putting "Intelligent Design" into high school science class rooms, etc.

And that's just in America.  Islamic countries have it worse.

"Atheist" is synonymous with "anti-theism," and their getting confrontational and somewhat militant is a natural, logical, and even MORAL response to what can be thought of as Christian Fascism in America.  Atheism...Secularism...Humanism...whatever you want to call it...THEY'RE THE GOOD GUYS IN ALL OF THIS!
 
2013-05-25 08:07:20 AM

kimmygibblershomework: same here.  Now if the atheists set up soup kitchens and help millions eat each year, they will be on a level playing field with the christians they despise so much.  i say despise, because look at tfa.  Come on liberal elites, you can do it ;)


I don't know if this one serves soup, in in terms of dollars spent on charity, it probably covers about a Midwestern state worth of church charity.

And atheists don't waste a bunch of our charitable donations on trying to get people to believe in fairy tales.
 
2013-05-25 08:08:00 AM
Praise be to the almighty Science!
 
2013-05-25 08:08:25 AM
I quote Ferris Bueller quoting John Lennon...."I don't believe in Beatles. I just believe in me."
 
2013-05-25 08:10:12 AM

BMFPitt: kimmygibblershomework: same here.  Now if the atheists set up soup kitchens and help millions eat each year, they will be on a level playing field with the christians they despise so much.  i say despise, because look at tfa.  Come on liberal elites, you can do it ;)

I don't know if this one serves soup, in in terms of dollars spent on charity, it probably covers about a Midwestern state worth of church charity.

And atheists don't waste a bunch of our charitable donations on trying to get people to believe in fairy tales.


upload.wikimedia.org

Dammit I need to never skip the preview when using graphics.
 
2013-05-25 08:11:57 AM

The Billdozer: LasersHurt: The Billdozer: /understands atheism
//can't understand "atheists"

You don't understand that the language naturally implies a term for a group of people?

To dumb it down:

I get why people don't collect stamps.

I don't get why a subset of these same people have groups, charities, people who wrote blogs and books, and are extremely vocal about their disdain for not collecting stamps and then biatch and whine when people point out their non-hobby "hobby".


When stamp collectors are the majority, and use their stamp collecting to control the political process to exclude non-stamp collectors, exclude people socially for not being stamp collectors, and publicly make statements regularly that whenever bad things happen randomly to non-stamp collectors that they deserved to be harmed due to their non-stamp collecting then you would have a valid analogy.
 
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