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(Indiegogo)   Cool: Comedian Doug Stanhope starts an IndieGoGo campaign to raise $50,000 for the woman who said "I'm actually an atheist" after surviving the Oklahoma tornado. Really Cool: The goal was met in the first 24 hours. Fark: There are 59 days to go   (indiegogo.com) divider line 527
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2013-05-25 04:55:55 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Or passed over for jobs and advancement.


I doubt it.
 
2013-05-25 05:23:55 AM

Captain Dan: Christian charities don't limit aid to Christian victims.


BULL. shiat.

As I pointed out before, this is one of the major issues with disaster planning when engaging with Faith-based organizations. There are still churches out there that either A) Demand the right to evangelize or prosthelatize to the people they are aiding in a disaster, or B) Demand that they only help members of their congregation alone.

This is the reason that the American Red Cross will flat out refuse an offer from a church or homeless shelter to shelter victims after a disaster if they try to pull that shiat, and will even close a shelter or pull their endorsement if they catch someone doing that.
 
2013-05-25 05:43:52 AM

hardinparamedic: As I pointed out before... the American Red Cross will flat out refuse an offer from a church or homeless shelter to shelter victims after a disaster if they try to pull that shiat...


Okay.  Let me rephrase my statement: "The overwhelming majority of Christian charities don't limit aid to Christian victims, and the few who do deserve to be kicked right in the ass, by good Christians and good atheists alike."
 
2013-05-25 05:44:51 AM

log_jammin: Lenny_da_Hog: Or passed over for jobs and advancement.

I doubt it.


Yeah. Nobody networks through their churches for employment or advancement. The phrase, "it's not what you know, it's who you know" is one I just made up just this very second all on my own.
 
2013-05-25 05:53:26 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Yeah. Nobody networks through their churches for employment or advancement.


Nobody? the idea that "nobody" networks through their churches for employment or advancement is absurd.

But since less than 20% of Americans attend church on a regular basis, and that combined with the numerous flavors and sects of Christianity in the US, I think it's fair to assume that the vast majority don't.

so again. "I doubt it."
 
2013-05-25 06:04:30 AM

Captain Dan: hardinparamedic: As I pointed out before... the American Red Cross will flat out refuse an offer from a church or homeless shelter to shelter victims after a disaster if they try to pull that shiat...

Okay.  Let me rephrase my statement: "The overwhelming majority of Christian charities don't limit aid to Christian victims, and the few who do deserve to be kicked right in the ass, by good Christians and good atheists alike."


Uh-huh.

The North American Mission Board  exists to work with churches, associations and state conventions in mobilizing Southern Baptists as a missional force to impact North America with the gospel of Jesus Christ through evangelism and church planting.

Note that the missionary work is not limited to disaster relief. Disaster relief is just another mission for conversion.

Here is NAMB's page for Southern Baptist disaster missionary work, including the Moore tornado. The purpose of Baptist charity work is to win souls for Christ.

And here is their report on their missionary work: Within hours of the deadly EF5 tornado striking Moore, Okla., on Monday, Southern Baptist Disaster Relief chaplains were ministering to families at both elementary schools in the community destroyed by the storm.

Note that the report goes into great detail about missionary work and calls it a "ministry" over and over. They are providing aid, but they are more interested in spreading and reinforcing religious beliefs.
 
2013-05-25 06:15:03 AM

log_jammin: Lenny_da_Hog: Yeah. Nobody networks through their churches for employment or advancement.

Nobody? the idea that "nobody" networks through their churches for employment or advancement is absurd.

But since less than 20% of Americans attend church on a regular basis, and that combined with the numerous flavors and sects of Christianity in the US, I think it's fair to assume that the vast majority don't.

so again. "I doubt it."


You missed the sarcasm font. You're also wrong, according to Pew. The national average of weekly attendance is 39%.

Oklahoma is the 7th most religious state in the US -- there, half the population attends *weekly*. Another 25% attend regularly, at least a few times a year. (No direct link to the map, but you can find it in a few clicks from here)
 
2013-05-25 06:26:25 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: You're also wrong, according to Pew. The national average of weekly attendance is 39%


The article I linked quoted Gallop. I'm sure the answer is somewhere in the middle of the two.

Lenny_da_Hog: Oklahoma is the 7th most religious state in the US -- there, half the population attends *weekly*. Another 25% attend regularly, at least a few times a year. (No direct link to the map, but you can find it in a few clicks from here)


half SAY they attend weekly and the attend regular group includes  "Few times a year" that'sEaster andChristmas. You could have included me in that group a few years ago when my wife would ask me to go to midnight mass with her.

I doubt this lady experiences more than a few whispers between coworkers about "did you hear she's an atheist?". and hopefully she won't even experience that until her home is rebuilt and her life is back in order. There is a lot of derp and derpers in red states, but for the most part, the people in them, don't worry themselves of what religion their coworkers are, or aren't.
 
2013-05-25 06:28:31 AM
how about the times a translator on a american tv station talks over what a person is saying in their native language and when the interviewee say "allah" the translator says "god" instead. you hear the interviewee say yabba dabba doo allah scooby doo and the translator says i thank god my child is safe.
 
2013-05-25 06:28:47 AM
So an F5 tornado hits Oklahoma, and some people are getting together to raise money to help one specific person?

I have little care about the reason why you give, but I do care when people are prejudicial about their giving.

Hypocrites.
 
2013-05-25 06:32:42 AM

starlost: how about the times a translator on a american tv station talks over what a person is saying in their native language and when the interviewee say "allah" the translator says "god" instead. you hear the interviewee say yabba dabba doo allah scooby doo and the translator says i thank god my child is safe.


ok....how about it?
 
2013-05-25 06:33:35 AM

log_jammin: Lenny_da_Hog: You're also wrong, according to Pew. The national average of weekly attendance is 39%

The article I linked quoted Gallop. I'm sure the answer is somewhere in the middle of the two.


The article you linked quoted Gallup as saying 40% of Americans attend regularly, but that church growth site knows the REAL truth:

While Gallup polls and other statisticians have turned in the same percentage - about 40% of the population - of average weekend church attendees for the past 70 years, a different sort of research paints quite a disparate picture of how many Americans attend a local church on any given Sunday.
 
2013-05-25 06:34:27 AM
Gawd, Zeus, Budda somebody do something. Damn it Satan you owe me one.

Hopefully not obscure.
 
2013-05-25 06:35:12 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: he article you linked quoted Gallup as saying 40% of Americans attend regularly, but that church growth site knows the REAL truth:


well...uh....never mind then....
 
2013-05-25 06:35:44 AM

log_jammin: I doubt this lady experiences more than a few whispers between coworkers about "did you hear she's an atheist?". and hopefully she won't even experience that until her home is rebuilt and her life is back in order. There is a lot of derp and derpers in red states, but for the most part, the people in them, don't worry themselves of what religion their coworkers are, or aren't.


Whether or not that's the case, Jimmy-Joe-Bob's church-goin' friend's sister-in-law is going to be preferred for jobs and advancement over the people who don't network through their churches.
 
2013-05-25 06:35:56 AM

starlost: how about the times a translator on a american tv station talks over what a person is saying in their native language and when the interviewee say "allah" the translator says "god" instead. you hear the interviewee say yabba dabba doo allah scooby doo and the translator says i thank god my child is safe.


What a totally not ignorant and not racist statement.

Lenny_da_Hog: Note that the report goes into great detail about missionary work and calls it a "ministry" over and over. They are providing aid, but they are more interested in spreading and reinforcing religious beliefs.


This, pretty much. It's one of the reasons I stopped donating to a local homeless shelter that I lived by when I first moved into Memphis a few years back. They were actually refusing people entry unless they attended their church service and bible study, and had a habit of excluding LGBT homeless.

It's also the reason I'll never. Ever. EVER. Support the Salvation Army in any way.
 
2013-05-25 06:39:39 AM

log_jammin: I doubt this lady experiences more than a few whispers between coworkers about "did you hear she's an atheist?". and hopefully she won't even experience that until her home is rebuilt and her life is back in order. There is a lot of derp and derpers in red states, but for the most part, the people in them, don't worry themselves of what religion their coworkers are, or aren't.


Studies have found that people who commit abhorrant crimes are trusted more than Atheists and Secular Humanists in the United States. In reality, discrimination against Atheists in employment and government positions is rampant, even going so far as to being written into State employment laws and even State Constitutions when it comes to holding political office. Many states in the south outright make it illegal for an Atheist or nOn-theist to hold office.
 
2013-05-25 06:43:54 AM
I've always felt that, if there is a deity, he, she or it thinks of atheists as those quiet neighbours who keep to themselves, keep their place looking decent, don't throw noisy parties, don't come calling every other day to borrow stuff, and don't mow their lawns at 7 am on a weekend or listen to Black Sabbath at 2 am on a weeknight, unless it's with headphones. You may not be on a first-name basis with them but you'd move heaven and earth to keep them from moving out.
 
2013-05-25 06:44:36 AM
Will Penn Gillette, Richard Dawkins, et al jump on board with Stanhope?
 
2013-05-25 06:46:48 AM
Atheism is a Religion.
 
2013-05-25 06:47:37 AM
This thread escalated quickly...

Look, the woman interviewed was put in an awkward situation immediately following what was probably the worst/scariest/disastrous moment of her life.  The real asshole is Wolf Blitzer for going around bothering people after they lost their homes, and quite possibly, family/friends.

I've never heard of the comedian that started the fundraiser.  There was probably better ways he could of gone about this, but the end result is good.  Can't argue with results.
 
2013-05-25 06:48:15 AM

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


Deep Throat is a porno.
 
2013-05-25 06:48:21 AM

Nabb1: nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.

Kind of agree.  I don't know if that was the intent, but it kind of smacks of some backdoor prejudices.


Your totally unprejudiced ass had better be writing a check to "Save the Pedophiles" right now.
 
2013-05-25 06:48:56 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: log_jammin: Rebecca Watson

After not immediately recognizing this name, I was entertained by the Encyclopedia Dramatica entry.


You should also look up 'porn'
 
2013-05-25 06:49:48 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Nabb1: nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.

Kind of agree.  I don't know if that was the intent, but it kind of smacks of some backdoor prejudices.

I donated not because she was an atheist, but because she came out of the closet as an atheist in an area where this could get her ostracized or even harmed.  By good, charitable Christian folk.  That kind of courage and willingness to tell the truth should be rewarded.


At least they can't burn her house down.
 
2013-05-25 06:51:10 AM

neritz: I wonder how much to get them out of Oklahoma?


Now that she's out as an atheist, her neighbors will raise that money.
 
2013-05-25 06:52:52 AM

nekom: Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist? Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.


Someone isn't happy that atheists can actually care for others and do good.

"That's our thing, damn it!"
 
2013-05-25 06:55:08 AM

John Buck 41: Atheists are so cute


You obviously didn't saw the clip.

But the need to biatch about atheists is simply so irresistible.
 
2013-05-25 06:55:29 AM
you heartless, cynical farks. where do you get the nerve? Have you ever experienced anything adverse in your entire life?my mothers house had 38 feet of water wash over it. you don't know shiat. Quit trying to act cool on the farking Internet and realize that some people out here have real god damn problems.
 
2013-05-25 06:55:32 AM

hardinparamedic: log_jammin: I doubt this lady experiences more than a few whispers between coworkers about "did you hear she's an atheist?". and hopefully she won't even experience that until her home is rebuilt and her life is back in order. There is a lot of derp and derpers in red states, but for the most part, the people in them, don't worry themselves of what religion their coworkers are, or aren't.

Studies have found that people who commit abhorrant crimes are trusted more than Atheists and Secular Humanists in the United States. In reality, discrimination against Atheists in employment and government positions is rampant, even going so far as to being written into State employment laws and even State Constitutions when it comes to holding political office. Many states in the south outright make it illegal for an Atheist or nOn-theist to hold office.




When will people realize that most of what takes place in the south isn't Christianity? It's hate speech hidden behind 'religious' values that no educated Christian would ever condone.

And while I know I dont get to disown these people from my religion, I fully believe they would find any vehicle they could to continue teaching their close minded prejudices to their crotch fruit.
 
2013-05-25 06:57:15 AM

DrewFL: you heartless, cynical farks. where do you get the nerve? Have you ever experienced anything adverse in your entire life?my mothers house had 38 feet of water wash over it. you don't know shiat. Quit trying to act cool on the farking Internet and realize that some people out here have real god damn problems.


... I honestly don't know which "heartless, cynical farks" you mean here. This is Fark, after all.
 
2013-05-25 06:58:08 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: I'm sure there are plenty of people who will be getting help from their local churches just because they're members of their local churches. Some little Baptist church right now likely has an collection for Sister Eunice and her brood.


But that is perfectly fine and just their way of expressing their beliefs.

It is so tiring hearing of the christian supermajority whine all the time about oppression and accuse atheists of being in your face the moment one of us steps out of the shadows.

No, not all religious folk are the same, but when there are so many of you even a minority can be larger and more vocal than the entire group of US atheists.

Why won't the moderate christians condem the actions of the crazies? How many times has an atheists challenged your beliefs to your face? Never? Once? Happens to be nearly every time I have ever discussed my lack of faith. We just suck it up 99 percent of the time, every time somebody says I will pray for you or god bless you we brush it off. But the time we say "oh actually I do not believe" then tards like Glenn Beck scream about how we are attention whores. No, you are just so used to everything being about religion that any minor challenge is an outrage.
 
2013-05-25 06:58:21 AM

INeedAName: So an F5 tornado hits Oklahoma, and some people are getting together to raise money to help one specific person?

I have little care about the reason why you give, but I do care when people are prejudicial about their giving.

Hypocrites.


They're helping someone. There is nothing wrong with that. Eat, as they say, a dick.
 
2013-05-25 06:58:41 AM

INeedAName: So an F5 tornado hits Oklahoma, and some people are getting together to raise money to help one specific person?

I have little care about the reason why you give, but I do care when people are prejudicial about their giving.

Hypocrites.


How many times did you made that comment about members of a cult organizing themselves under the pretext of helping other members of their cult?
 
2013-05-25 06:58:46 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: lol at the thought of this woman being in danger because she's an atheist in Oklahoma. Some of you weirdos really need to get out more


Seriously. I'm from Bama, been an atheist since 15, and never had a big bunch of Christians come up and try to attack me because I'm an atheist. I think these people in these big urban centers must have been gradually creating more and more absurd and elaborate urban legends about what the rest of the country is like outside of their particular city.

"They all have assault rifles they carry all the time, even to church -which they go to twice a day-, and if you're black or say that you're an Atheist they shoot you!!"
 
2013-05-25 06:59:56 AM

Captain Dan: Offering her help because she's an atheist is bullshiat.  That's like offering a whites-only scholarship.

Christian charities don't limit aid to Christian victims.  If atheists want to demonstrate their bona (sine) fides, they need to offer help to anyone who needs it, regardless of tribal/religious affiliation.


But she's an atheist! That automatically makes her a scientist and better than everyone. And we always need a new avenue for shiatty second-rate hack comedians to prove that they have real value and worth. Quit being so oppressive!

/understands atheism
//can't understand "atheists"
 
2013-05-25 07:00:10 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Whether or not that's the case, Jimmy-Joe-Bob's church-goin' friend's sister-in-law is going to be preferred for jobs and advancement over the people who don't network through their churches.


hardinparamedic: Studies have found that people who commit abhorrant crimes are trusted more than Atheists and Secular Humanists in the United States. In reality, discrimination against Atheists in employment and government positions is rampant, even going so far as to being written into State employment laws and even State Constitutions when it comes to holding political office. Many states in the south outright make it illegal for an Atheist or nOn-theist to hold office.


I'm not saying atheists are not discriminated against, or that she won't be. I just don't think it's likely based on a 30 second comment made in the aftermath of a horrific event. People are busy mourning and rebuilding. Now if she's the militant type(which I highly doubt) or is very vocal about it(which I also doubt) then I think her odds of being discriminated against get a lot higher.

I only have anecdotes about myself(agnostic) and the few wiccans, atheists  and buddhists in my deeply red state. But in this case that's good enough for me since we know knowing about her, her job, coworkers, etc.. to know.
 
2013-05-25 07:00:21 AM
Note to self: Next time in an interview after a tornado on a cable news network and asked if I thanked the lord for this, replay with, "I am indeed grateful that the lord saw fit to veer the tornado over the elementary school in order to spare me".
 
2013-05-25 07:00:23 AM

INeedAName: When will people realize that most of what takes place in the south isn't Christianity? It's hate speech hidden behind 'religious' values that no educated Christian would ever condone.

And while I know I dont get to disown these people from my religion, I fully believe they would find any vehicle they could to continue teaching their close minded prejudices to their crotch fruit.


It's not Christianity. But that doesn't stop people from using it to discriminate.
 
2013-05-25 07:00:52 AM

The Billdozer: /understands atheism
//can't understand "atheists"


You don't understand that the language naturally implies a term for a group of people?
 
2013-05-25 07:03:44 AM

dforkus: Wha profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his soul.,


Matthew 16:26 I believe.

...

Tell me, what were Lisa's last words?
 
2013-05-25 07:03:50 AM

Dinki: Nabb1: So, you're doing it not for it's own sake, but to make a point to other people and knock down a straw man you've set up. That's nice.

Straw man? I can't begin to count the thousands of times I've been told about 'Christian charity' as if there were no other kind. The religionists have made an industry out of showing everyone how charitable they are, and how that charity must flow from their religion.


I don't agree with your assessment, but I think we both agree they don't say their charity only goes to christians.
 
2013-05-25 07:07:07 AM

liam76: I don't agree with your assessment, but I think we both agree they don't say their charity only goes to christians.


An, in a general sense, neither do atheists. Let's all remember that this one campaign /= the sum total of atheist giving.
 
2013-05-25 07:07:13 AM
My favourite reply to the quote "Atheism is a religion" is to mention that, in such a case, it is entitled to every single protection under law religions have.
 
2013-05-25 07:07:59 AM
Such a passive aggressive and elitist thing to do...Because Stanhope had media and a figurehead he made a bullshiat point for no ones benefit but his own (im sure the "randomly atheist" winner was vetted and their home inspected for F5 code. Just shiatty. it's the belt buckle of the USA. People are religious there. It was an exceedingly mean and shiatty thing to do.
 
2013-05-25 07:09:23 AM

Nabb1: nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.

Kind of agree.  I don't know if that was the intent, but it kind of smacks of some backdoor prejudices.


I think the initial intent was to counter the argument that she SHOULDN'T be helped because she is an athiest.
 
2013-05-25 07:10:40 AM

clovercat: Note to self: Next time in an interview after a tornado on a cable news network and asked if I thanked the lord for this, replay with, "I am indeed grateful that the lord saw fit to veer the tornado over the elementary school in order to spare me".


And so much this.
 
2013-05-25 07:10:45 AM
I'll say I'm an atheist for $50,000!
 
2013-05-25 07:10:52 AM

LasersHurt: The Billdozer: /understands atheism
//can't understand "atheists"

You don't understand that the language naturally implies a term for a group of people?


To dumb it down:

I get why people don't collect stamps.

I don't get why a subset of these same people have groups, charities, people who wrote blogs and books, and are extremely vocal about their disdain for not collecting stamps and then biatch and whine when people point out their non-hobby "hobby".
 
2013-05-25 07:11:44 AM

Mugato: He's a funny comedian but he just has to be one of those douchebags who can't help but explain to you what an atheist he is at every opportunity. And yes, theists who are just as obnoxious are just as obnoxious.


Every routine that you happen to listen to ≠ every opportunity. It's part of his shtick that get the audience going. He probably talks about other things during the day. Well, I mean after he wakes up at 7pm.
 
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