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(Indiegogo)   Cool: Comedian Doug Stanhope starts an IndieGoGo campaign to raise $50,000 for the woman who said "I'm actually an atheist" after surviving the Oklahoma tornado. Really Cool: The goal was met in the first 24 hours. Fark: There are 59 days to go   (indiegogo.com) divider line 527
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2013-05-24 05:12:06 PM  
Little does she know that The Flying Spaghetti Monster works in mysterious ways.

R'Amen
 
2013-05-24 05:20:15 PM  
Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.
 
2013-05-24 05:20:25 PM  
Keep it open and see if you can hit a million.
 
2013-05-24 05:24:32 PM  
Maybe she'll get enough to get out of Oklahoma.
I'm thinking she might not be real popular in her neighborhood now.
 
2013-05-24 05:33:08 PM  

nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.


Kind of agree.  I don't know if that was the intent, but it kind of smacks of some backdoor prejudices.
 
2013-05-24 05:35:07 PM  
Let's show the world that you dont need to believe in a god to have human compassion nor does all charity fall under the banner of religion.

So, you're doing it not for it's own sake, but to make a point to other people and knock down a straw man you've set up.  That's nice.
 
2013-05-24 05:50:54 PM  

Nabb1: So, you're doing it not for it's own sake, but to make a point to other people and knock down a straw man you've set up. That's nice.


Straw man? I can't begin to count the thousands of times I've been told about 'Christian charity' as if there were no other kind. The religionists have made an industry out of showing everyone how charitable they are, and how that charity must flow from their religion.
 
2013-05-24 07:42:08 PM  
The impact of getting Rebecca and her family properly housed by the atheist community will do far more good than sitting in bars or chat rooms mocking people of faith. Like religion, free-thinking will be more easily spread through compassion and decency.

Unfortunately, those servile f*ckwits have an answer for that one.  "It's just God acting in His own way, even through those atheists, isn't He clever!" they'll bleat.  There are none so blind as those who will not see.  Religious people are incapable of that kind of rational thought.  Seriously.
 
2013-05-24 07:43:52 PM  

Nabb1: nekom: Helping out a person who happens to be an atheist?  Fantastic.
Helping out a person BECAUSE she's an atheist?  Well, it's still helping, but it's a pretty dick motivation.

Kind of agree.  I don't know if that was the intent, but it kind of smacks of some backdoor prejudices.


I donated not because she was an atheist, but because she came out of the closet as an atheist in an area where this could get her ostracized or even harmed.  By good, charitable Christian folk.  That kind of courage and willingness to tell the truth should be rewarded.
 
2013-05-24 07:50:38 PM  
Wha profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his soul.,
 
2013-05-24 08:11:19 PM  

Dinki: Nabb1: So, you're doing it not for it's own sake, but to make a point to other people and knock down a straw man you've set up. That's nice.

Straw man? I can't begin to count the thousands of times I've been told about 'Christian charity' as if there were no other kind. The religionists have made an industry out of showing everyone how charitable they are, and how that charity must flow from their religion.


Of course. I am sure it is as you say.
 
2013-05-24 08:15:14 PM  
I wonder how much to get them out of Oklahoma?
 
2013-05-24 08:16:30 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:
Unfortunately, those servile f*ckwits have an answer for that one.  "It's just God acting in His own way, even through those atheists, isn't He clever!" they'll bleat.  There are none so blind as those who will not see.  Religious people are incapable of that kind of rational thought.  Seriously.

Religious people, just like atheists, come in all shapes and sizes, some of which have their heads up their asses.

Just as you probably wouldn't like people to think all atheists are bloviating anti-theists, it's probably not a good idea to
claim all religious people act or think the same way.
 
2013-05-24 08:17:56 PM  

Nabb1: Of course. I am sure it is as you say.


I've heard things like this as well as "People would have no morality if it wasn't for religion" arguments from religious people way more times than I can count.  I have a very tolerant non fundamentalist Christian friend ask me once how I would instil morals in my children without religion.  She wasn't trying to be mean about it, just asking because we were talking about religion/atheism.  She's one of the nice ones.
 
2013-05-24 08:21:56 PM  

Hoban Washburne: Nabb1: Of course. I am sure it is as you say.

I've heard things like this as well as "People would have no morality if it wasn't for religion" arguments from religious people way more times than I can count.  I have a very tolerant non fundamentalist Christian friend ask me once how I would instil morals in my children without religion.  She wasn't trying to be mean about it, just asking because we were talking about religion/atheism.  She's one of the nice ones.


As have I, but some people seem to act as though that behavior is universal for all people of faith. It's the flip side of the same coin.
 
2013-05-24 08:24:33 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Benevolent Misanthrope:
Unfortunately, those servile f*ckwits have an answer for that one.  "It's just God acting in His own way, even through those atheists, isn't He clever!" they'll bleat.  There are none so blind as those who will not see.  Religious people are incapable of that kind of rational thought.  Seriously.

Religious people, just like atheists, come in all shapes and sizes, some of which have their heads up their asses.

Just as you probably wouldn't like people to think all atheists are bloviating anti-theists, it's probably not a good idea to
claim all religious people act or think the same way.


So, you're saying that there are religious people who attribute the good things that happen in this world to something other than the positive workings of their belief system?  That Christians in particular (since I'm fairly certain that's the overwhelming majority in Oklahoma) don't attribute positive things to "God's Grace"?

Huh.  News to me.
 
2013-05-24 08:32:22 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:

So, you're saying that there are religious people who attribute the good things that happen in this world to something other than the positive workings of their belief system?  That Christians in particular (since I'm fairly certain that's the overwhelming majority in Oklahoma) don't attribute positive things to "God's Grace"?

Huh.  News to me.


Wow. That's a lot of inaccurate broad assumptions you've got going there. Is there some reason you seem so hateful of so many people who have never done you any harm? Sure, some may believe that. I know countless who don't. It's certainly not anything I was taught growing up.  You can be prejudiced if you want, but at least get your facts straight.
 
2013-05-24 08:45:32 PM  

Nabb1: Benevolent Misanthrope:

So, you're saying that there are religious people who attribute the good things that happen in this world to something other than the positive workings of their belief system?  That Christians in particular (since I'm fairly certain that's the overwhelming majority in Oklahoma) don't attribute positive things to "God's Grace"?

Huh.  News to me.

Wow. That's a lot of inaccurate broad assumptions you've got going there. Is there some reason you seem so hateful of so many people who have never done you any harm? Sure, some may believe that. I know countless who don't. It's certainly not anything I was taught growing up.  You can be prejudiced if you want, but at least get your facts straight.


The entirety of the religious system does immeasurable harm, every day.  I know you're a believer, and you'll never agree, but seriously, it does.

I've honestly never met a person who identified as "religious" who did not see the world through the lens of their religion.  In the Christian example - the one we often see cited - their god is thanked for all good, through his omnipotence (and by the way - he must be really relieved he no longer has to worry about fixing games for that Tebow dude)... but they never seem to hold their god accountable for the bad stuff that, if he's all-powerful, he either created or allowed.  Why? Because God is all good.  So, it's a model of ingrained circular reasoning, and something that is, indeed, drilled into believers by many means.  That's just one.

Don't be surprised or shocked when those of us who don't believe refuse to let the assumption that we believe slide, refuse to put up with people who try to convince us that belief is as reasonable as reason, or refuse to be marginalized for not believing.  And don't be surprised when we characterize behaviors like giving hard-earned money to a non-corporeal being, defense of child rape, veneration of religious leaders who are anything but moral, and deference to an ancient and much-edited text for advice on living rather than making one's own judgment, as "servile".
 
2013-05-24 08:52:05 PM  
Well, most bigots are convinced of their own righteousness. For
The record, I have absolutely nothing against atheists or atheism, and my own religios beliefs are more accurately described as agnostic, but my family is Catholic. So, when you launch into malicious missives against people of faith, don't mistake my disagreement of having anything to do with your faith or lack thereof, but with the fact that you spew hatred and vile and misinformation regarding people who do not share your worldview with the narrow-minded evangelicals I encountered growing up in parts of South Carolina. You're really not that much different when it comes down to your basic disdain for most of humanity.
 
2013-05-24 09:05:24 PM  

Nabb1: the fact that you spew hatred and vile and misinformation regarding people who do not share your worldview with the narrow-minded evangelicals I encountered growing up in parts of South Carolina. You're really not that much different when it comes down to your basic disdain for most of humanity.


Wow.  Okay...

I'll just bow out here.  You're not making sense and it's obvious you're upset.

I will say this:  I don't disdain humanity.  I disdain people who take advantage of other people and who indoctrinate them to be taken advantage of.  And I disdain people who refuse to think.

On second thought, with that last one, perhaps I do disdain most humans.  Hmm.
 
2013-05-24 09:08:13 PM  
I think it's quite possible that Wolf is patronizing her, and hoping for a highly emotional, affirmative response just for the entertainment value.

I mean, he's Jewish, so...thank the Lord, thank the Lord doesn't seem like it would be his sincere reaction.
 
2013-05-24 09:23:35 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Nabb1: the fact that you spew hatred and vile and misinformation regarding people who do not share your worldview with the narrow-minded evangelicals I encountered growing up in parts of South Carolina. You're really not that much different when it comes down to your basic disdain for most of humanity.

Wow.  Okay...

I'll just bow out here.  You're not making sense and it's obvious you're upset.

I will say this:  I don't disdain humanity.  I disdain people who take advantage of other people and who indoctrinate them to be taken advantage of.  And I disdain people who refuse to think.

On second thought, with that last one, perhaps I do disdain most humans.  Hmm.


Sure, people who don't see the world the way you do just refuse to think. No, you're not prejudiced at all.
 
2013-05-24 09:38:40 PM  
Donating to people in need is great, but if you want to really send a message, donate to people regardless of their religion (or lack thereof).  It seems like this is just driving the stake deeper in an already polarized debate.
 
2013-05-24 09:41:48 PM  
They sure are putting her in an awkward position.
 
2013-05-24 10:28:26 PM  

Nabb1: Benevolent Misanthrope: Nabb1: the fact that you spew hatred and vile and misinformation regarding people who do not share your worldview with the narrow-minded evangelicals I encountered growing up in parts of South Carolina. You're really not that much different when it comes down to your basic disdain for most of humanity.

Wow.  Okay...

I'll just bow out here.  You're not making sense and it's obvious you're upset.

I will say this:  I don't disdain humanity.  I disdain people who take advantage of other people and who indoctrinate them to be taken advantage of.  And I disdain people who refuse to think.

On second thought, with that last one, perhaps I do disdain most humans.  Hmm.

Sure, people who don't see the world the way you do just refuse to think. No, you're not prejudiced at all.


Oh, for Fark's sake.  That was a joke about humanity in general.  Poor, poor, persecuted Nabb1.  What happened to you?  You used to be so cool.
 
2013-05-24 11:37:53 PM  
He's a funny comedian but he just has to be one of those douchebags who can't help but explain to you what an atheist he is at every opportunity. And yes, theists who are just as obnoxious are just as obnoxious.
 
2013-05-24 11:55:26 PM  
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Atheists are so cute
 
2013-05-25 12:00:24 AM  
It's rare, but sometimes you gotta eject on takeoff.

www.gruntdoc.com
 
2013-05-25 12:25:46 AM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:
Don't be surprised or shocked when those of us who don't believe refuse to let the assumption that we believe slide, refuse to put up with people who try to convince us that belief is as reasonable as reason, or refuse to be marginalized for not believing.  And don't be surprised when we characterize behaviors like giving hard-earned money to a non-corporeal being, defense of child rape, veneration of religious leaders who are anything but moral, and deference to ...

You're not an atheist, you're an anti-theist. And you're doing a brilliant job of reinforcing the negative stereotype too many people have of atheists.
 
2013-05-25 12:34:29 AM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:
So, you're saying that there are religious people who attribute the good things that happen in this world to something other than the positive workings of their belief system?  That Christians in particular (since I'm fairly certain that's the overwhelming majority in Oklahoma) don't attribute positive things to "God's Graces.

I see. So you don't get it. Good to know.
 
2013-05-25 12:44:20 AM  
I'm happy that the woman is being helped. I hope that everyone who suffered loss is as fortunate.
 
2013-05-25 12:56:40 AM  

Langston: I'm happy that the woman is being helped. I hope that everyone who suffered loss is as fortunate.


Hope isn't enough.


We're gonna need you to pray.
 
2013-05-25 01:06:19 AM  
I'm sure there are plenty of people who will be getting help from their local churches just because they're members of their local churches. Some little Baptist church right now likely has an collection for Sister Eunice and her brood.
 
2013-05-25 02:14:32 AM  

Lor M. Ipsum: Donating to people in need is great, but if you want to really send a message, donate to people regardless of their religion (or lack thereof).  It seems like this is just driving the stake deeper in an already polarized debate.


This happens all the time, and is one of the major barriers that disaster planners and relief agencies have to work around when they are planning contengiency plans for these situations when involving faith based organizations. And I have far, far more respect for organizations like the United Methodist Church that help everyone (they have a huge kitchen ministry for disasters) than I do for some local church that only helps their congregation or religious belief. . And yes, people WILL refuse to help you after something like this if you are not of faith, or more accurately - their faith. The Red Cross tries to form agreesments with some churches that refuse to act as shelters along the principles of  the Red Cross because they cannot actively evangalicise or restrict the people they help to only those of their faith.

When the Pope says you're a bunch of douchebags for alienating good people on the basis of their faith, you're a bunch of douchebags.

The fact of the matter is this woman should be commended for shooting down AC, and actually coming out as an Atheist
 
2013-05-25 02:31:41 AM  

hardinparamedic: When the Pope says you're a bunch of douchebags for alienating good people on the basis of their faith, you're a bunch of douchebags.


It seems you linked this far less interesting article, when the real story is:

Is Pope Francis an Exorcist?
 
2013-05-25 02:34:20 AM  

Lor M. Ipsum: Donating to people in need is great, but if you want to really send a message, donate to people regardless of their religion (or lack thereof).  It seems like this is just driving the stake deeper in an already polarized debate.


How is our team going to succeed if we give money to the bad guys? If theists want a slice they can convert!
 
2013-05-25 02:40:39 AM  

moothemagiccow: hardinparamedic: When the Pope says you're a bunch of douchebags for alienating good people on the basis of their faith, you're a bunch of douchebags.

It seems you linked this far less interesting article, when the real story is:

Is Pope Francis an Exorcist?


He kicks ass for The Lord.
 
2013-05-25 02:51:14 AM  
I can't give my feelings on this matter until Rebecca Watson tells me if it's rooted in sexism or not.
 
2013-05-25 03:05:56 AM  

hardinparamedic: When the Pope says you're a bunch of douchebags for alienating good people on the basis of their faith, you're a bunch of douchebags.


This meme is stupid. Just because nobody can spell hypocrisy doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
2013-05-25 03:10:50 AM  

log_jammin: Rebecca Watson


After not immediately recognizing this name, I was entertained by the Encyclopedia Dramatica entry.
 
2013-05-25 03:11:34 AM  
I'm not sure why you guys are bickering. I just think it's good to know that the Holy Grail I'll be buying is dishwasher safe.
 
2013-05-25 03:21:31 AM  
Offering her help because she's an atheist is bullshiat.  That's like offering a whites-only scholarship.

Christian charities don't limit aid to Christian victims.  If atheists want to demonstrate their bona (sine) fides, they need to offer help to anyone who needs it, regardless of tribal/religious affiliation.
 
2013-05-25 03:33:30 AM  

Captain Dan: Christian charities don't limit aid to Christian victims.


Sure about that? You've never seen a church raise money for its own members? Brother Ralph's house burned down, we're having a special collection today. Sister Francine needs surgery, so we're having a bake sale for her. It happens all the time.

This isn't a charity. It's people donating to an individual like themselves, the same as churches do.

And how many Christian charities make receiving their aid contingent upon listening to their sales pitch if you're not a member? It's not like it's without strings all the time. Sure, there are some really good ones that don't do that, but there are also plenty that do.
 
2013-05-25 03:55:17 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: And how many Christian charities make receiving their aid contingent upon listening to their sales pitch if you're not a member? It's not like it's without strings all the time. Sure, there are some really good ones that don't do that, but there are also plenty that do.


I've attended over a dozen churches across the country and never encountered that.

If a church did that, I would call them out on their bullshiat.  Selective aid is un-Christian behavior, and any church who practiced it would deserve all the ignominy they receive.

The parable of the Good Samaritan was intended to demonstrate the ethical imperative of helping all people, even those who you hate or have nothing in common with.  Jesus's teachings on this could not be any more clear.
 
2013-05-25 04:07:42 AM  

Captain Dan: The parable of the Good Samaritan was intended to demonstrate the ethical imperative of helping all people, even those who you hate or have nothing in common with.  Jesus's teachings on this could not be any more clear.


I don't know if you ever noticed this or not, but there are a lot of people who call themselves Christians that don't have anything to do with what you're talking about.

See the GOP base for more details.
 
2013-05-25 04:17:58 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: I don't know if you ever noticed this or not, but there are a lot of people who call themselves Christians that don't have anything to do with what you're talking about.


Yes, they're called bad people.
 
2013-05-25 04:19:51 AM  
lol at the thought of this woman being in danger because she's an atheist in Oklahoma. Some of you weirdos really need to get out more
 
2013-05-25 04:33:10 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: lol at the thought of this woman being in danger because she's an atheist in Oklahoma. Some of you weirdos really need to get out more


she might not get invited to as many back yard bbqs. that...that's about it.
 
2013-05-25 04:38:06 AM  

Captain Dan: Lenny_da_Hog: I don't know if you ever noticed this or not, but there are a lot of people who call themselves Christians that don't have anything to do with what you're talking about.

Yes, they're called bad people.


They're also called "missionaries." Supernaturalists have a long history of seeking out people in emotional trauma to convert them while they're in an irrational state.

But again, this isn't a charity. It's not a big organization that's collecting money and passing it out to various people based on a belief structure. It's people donating to an individual like themselves, just like any church might do for one of their own. Who knows, she might spread some of that around to other people, you don't know.
 
2013-05-25 04:55:14 AM  

log_jammin: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: lol at the thought of this woman being in danger because she's an atheist in Oklahoma. Some of you weirdos really need to get out more

she might not get invited to as many back yard bbqs. that...that's about it.


Or passed over for jobs and advancement.
 
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