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2013-05-26 03:33:22 AM  
You know what's funny? If you look at one if the Weenerss I made in this thread, it was to the effect that we'll likely never reform our consent laws and sexual offender laws because it's so easy to label anyone who speaks up as a pedophile and be done with it. So I guess we've come full-circle.

Incidentally, I just now noticed that it was Boojum2k who made the "special" porn jab, not Muck4doo. That guy has been on my case far more vociferously. So I offer Boojum a partial apology, partial because he still took the low road first.
 
2013-05-26 03:37:53 AM  

kazikian: Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: , I believe you have used info constantly without providing links/citations

Nope. The links have been provided multiple times throughout the thread. I'm not going to drop them into each and every post. I read through the posts, other farkers can do the same. It only seems fair.
But FYI
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted

http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_7597.shtml

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/24/justice/florida-teen-sex-case

And finally, http://www.change.org/petitions/assistant-state-attorney-brian-workma n -stop-the-prosecution-of-an-18-year-old-girl-in-a-same-sex-relationshi p  The petition where the Hunt's started spreading lies.

tinfoil-hat maggie: I'll just say there is no proof that the older girl wasn't 17 or younger when they first met. And yea I know what the affidavit says but, cops don't have to write down anything that goes against there case, just saying

Well, she turned 18 at the start of the younger girl's freshman school year, so it's very unlikely. Still wouldn't have been legal. If it were the case, and it came out, the only effect is to add more felony charges to her list, so it wouldn't be much good as some kind of defense. I'll grant it as a very unlikely possibility, that would assume facts not in evidence anywhere at all.

As for kazi, he decided to go out in a blaze over an agreeable comment I made directly to him and a side comment about the creepers (yeah, I know it's something of a loaded term, but it's the nicest term I can think of for people who keep edging on or sidling up to the "maybe 14 year olds are fair game" topic, and you did ask me not to call them something stronger) . *shrug* I might take him off ignore, or at least change his tag.

In all fairness (since you're being more fair here), your comments have generally been thoughtful, which is added reason why I reacted to the sudden included accusation against EVERYONE in the thread who ...


In all probability, Fark has a few actual pedophiles among its ranks. This is one of those threads likely to attract them. I'd rather not make it seem welcome to them. I certainly don't think everyone who disagrees with me is a child molester, I certainly didn't think of you as one until you blew up at my side comment which as I noted was not directed towards you at all, but I guess it looked to you like it was.
Maggie however convinced me to be a little more reasonable.
 The goat says you confused my mother with yours after staring at it too long, which is hard to believe considering mine was an angel and yours looked awfully cozy with the goat. ;-)
 
2013-05-26 03:42:11 AM  

kazikian: You know what's funny? If you look at one if the Weenerss I made in this thread, it was to the effect that we'll likely never reform our consent laws and sexual offender laws because it's so easy to label anyone who speaks up as a pedophile and be done with it. So I guess we've come full-circle.

Incidentally, I just now noticed that it was Boojum2k who made the "special" porn jab, not Muck4doo. That guy has been on my case far more vociferously. So I offer Boojum a partial apology, partial because he still took the low road first.


Thanks, you too. It was mostly carnivorous snark.
 
2013-05-26 03:43:00 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: kazikian: Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: wow you're the first on that one, can you ignore me as well because, well I don't ignore people but if you never respond to me that would be nice : )

Get over yourself. I gave you respectful answers, and torched the asshat who wanted to get personal, who took offense to something that wasn't specifically aimed at him (although as it seemed it found its mark in him, I feel pretty comfortable with what I labeled him).
And there have been a lot of creepers in this thread, who every time an objection to farking an underage girl is brought up, get all "just asking questions" and move on to yet another reason why they think it might be okay.

Oh, I believe you made it personal first, my friend, when you accused people of being child molesters. But since you ignored me, I'll just have your mom pass this message on to you.

Lol : ) word, I mean this is a sad situation but people calling people kiddy diddlers and creepers, etc. doesn't help. Oh well both kids have been screwed up now, and most these people don't even understand why. As I keep sayin' it's just sad.


America's justice system is built more and more on blood lust than rehabilitation. Look at all the blood lust in this thread. We do everything we can to make criminals hate the system that convicted them so much that committing further crimes against it is not just understandable but a rational course of action. Then we laugh at countries like Scandanavia for giving their prisoners comfy cells and cushy job training and, well, treating them like human beings. But guess what? If you treat someone like a human, they might just learn to act human.

I don't give two shiats that this case is about sex. It's the injustice of what many consider a proper outcome that grates me.
 
2013-05-26 03:44:13 AM  

Boojum2k: kazikian: Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: , I believe you have used info constantly without providing links/citations

Nope. The links have been provided multiple times throughout the thread. I'm not going to drop them into each and every post. I read through the posts, other farkers can do the same. It only seems fair.
But FYI
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted

http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_7597.shtml

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/24/justice/florida-teen-sex-case

And finally, http://www.change.org/petitions/assistant-state-attorney-brian-workma n -stop-the-prosecution-of-an-18-year-old-girl-in-a-same-sex-relationshi p  The petition where the Hunt's started spreading lies.

tinfoil-hat maggie: I'll just say there is no proof that the older girl wasn't 17 or younger when they first met. And yea I know what the affidavit says but, cops don't have to write down anything that goes against there case, just saying

Well, she turned 18 at the start of the younger girl's freshman school year, so it's very unlikely. Still wouldn't have been legal. If it were the case, and it came out, the only effect is to add more felony charges to her list, so it wouldn't be much good as some kind of defense. I'll grant it as a very unlikely possibility, that would assume facts not in evidence anywhere at all.

As for kazi, he decided to go out in a blaze over an agreeable comment I made directly to him and a side comment about the creepers (yeah, I know it's something of a loaded term, but it's the nicest term I can think of for people who keep edging on or sidling up to the "maybe 14 year olds are fair game" topic, and you did ask me not to call them something stronger) . *shrug* I might take him off ignore, or at least change his tag.

In all fairness (since you're being more fair here), your comments have generally been thoughtful, which is added reason why I reacted to the sudden included accusation against EVERYONE in the ...


I try t do no harm and when I can do good, it's all I can do.
 
2013-05-26 03:46:45 AM  

Boojum2k: kazikian: You know what's funny? If you look at one if the Weenerss I made in this thread, it was to the effect that we'll likely never reform our consent laws and sexual offender laws because it's so easy to label anyone who speaks up as a pedophile and be done with it. So I guess we've come full-circle.

Incidentally, I just now noticed that it was Boojum2k who made the "special" porn jab, not Muck4doo. That guy has been on my case far more vociferously. So I offer Boojum a partial apology, partial because he still took the low road first.

Thanks, you too. It was mostly carnivorous snark.


Eh, no worries, shiat happens. Which is a shame too, since I had a KILLER comeback saved up for round 2.
 
2013-05-26 03:53:07 AM  

kazikian: If you treat someone like a human, they might just learn to act human.


That has been my point, we expect 18 y/o to be fairly adult, to start taking responsibility for themselves, to have moral agency. Maggie has said that this is possible for much younger girls, which may be true, but that doesn't give Kate Hunt much leeway, because then she should even further understand the law and the consequences and be even more liable. If she really isn't at that level of capability, maybe her lawyer can argue diminished capacity or mental disability at trial and have her declared legally incompetent. Still won't get her into college, and would likely do more damage to her future than the plea deal would have, but it's a possibility.
 
2013-05-26 03:53:20 AM  

Boojum2k: The 14 year old is certainly a victim, she is the victim of a crime committed against her. As I pointed out before, a 14 year old mature enough to make those decisions for herself would have been mature enough to say "You could go to prison for this, and my parents disapprove. Let's be friends for the next year and a half, we are both worth waiting for." Incidentally, I also don't tolerate the 18 year old males who decide to prey on younger girls, or boys for that matter, either.


And how are you when it comes to charging minors as adults in crimes?  Still an immature mind?
 
2013-05-26 03:57:50 AM  

kazikian: tinfoil-hat maggie: kazikian: Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: wow you're the first on that one, can you ignore me as well because, well I don't ignore people but if you never respond to me that would be nice : )

Get over yourself. I gave you respectful answers, and torched the asshat who wanted to get personal, who took offense to something that wasn't specifically aimed at him (although as it seemed it found its mark in him, I feel pretty comfortable with what I labeled him).
And there have been a lot of creepers in this thread, who every time an objection to farking an underage girl is brought up, get all "just asking questions" and move on to yet another reason why they think it might be okay.

Oh, I believe you made it personal first, my friend, when you accused people of being child molesters. But since you ignored me, I'll just have your mom pass this message on to you.

Lol : ) word, I mean this is a sad situation but people calling people kiddy diddlers and creepers, etc. doesn't help. Oh well both kids have been screwed up now, and most these people don't even understand why. As I keep sayin' it's just sad.

America's justice system is built more and more on blood lust than rehabilitation. Look at all the blood lust in this thread. We do everything we can to make criminals hate the system that convicted them so much that committing further crimes against it is not just understandable but a rational course of action. Then we laugh at countries like Scandanavia for giving their prisoners comfy cells and cushy job training and, well, treating them like human beings. But guess what? If you treat someone like a human, they might just learn to act human.

I don't give two shiats that this case is about sex. It's the injustice of what many consider a proper outcome that grates me.


Really I agree as long as no one was raped or forced into something well it's more of a case of I think that's wrong but you don't know the people involved, so.
 
2013-05-26 04:00:44 AM  

Frederick: Boojum2k: The 14 year old is certainly a victim, she is the victim of a crime committed against her. As I pointed out before, a 14 year old mature enough to make those decisions for herself would have been mature enough to say "You could go to prison for this, and my parents disapprove. Let's be friends for the next year and a half, we are both worth waiting for." Incidentally, I also don't tolerate the 18 year old males who decide to prey on younger girls, or boys for that matter, either.

And how are you when it comes to charging minors as adults in crimes?  Still an immature mind?


I really don't like it at all. There are some rare exceptions to that, where even a child can tell it's wrong. Manipulating a young teen into sex may make them feel good, but it is not healthy for them at all. This is a distinction an adult can make. Setting someone on fire to watch them burn being wrong is a moral distinction an eight-year-old can make, so when someone already in their  preteen or early teens has done it, they are likely, but not absolutely, damaged enough already that no amount of therapy is going to allow them to be a functioning member of society. I don't agree with the death penalty for children, so we either let them loose upon the world at eighteen or try them as an adult and cover their care for the majority of their adult years as well.
 
2013-05-26 04:04:23 AM  

kazikian: You know what's funny? If you look at one if the Weenerss I made in this thread, it was to the effect that we'll likely never reform our consent laws and sexual offender laws because it's so easy to label anyone who speaks up as a pedophile and be done with it. So I guess we've come full-circle.

Incidentally, I just now noticed that it was Boojum2k who made the "special" porn jab, not Muck4doo. That guy has been on my case far more vociferously. So I offer Boojum a partial apology, partial because he still took the low road first.


I do it out of love.
 
2013-05-26 04:08:13 AM  

Frederick: Boojum2k: The 14 year old is certainly a victim, she is the victim of a crime committed against her. As I pointed out before, a 14 year old mature enough to make those decisions for herself would have been mature enough to say "You could go to prison for this, and my parents disapprove. Let's be friends for the next year and a half, we are both worth waiting for." Incidentally, I also don't tolerate the 18 year old males who decide to prey on younger girls, or boys for that matter, either.

And how are you when it comes to charging minors as adults in crimes?  Still an immature mind?


And after reading your link, I think that girl is a Boomtown Rats song waiting to happen. She was tried in juvenile court for stabbing her friend to death because she didn't like her anymore? Never mind tried as an adult, she should probably be committed to an institution.
 
2013-05-26 05:07:03 AM  

Boojum2k: Frederick: Boojum2k: The 14 year old is certainly a victim, she is the victim of a crime committed against her. As I pointed out before, a 14 year old mature enough to make those decisions for herself would have been mature enough to say "You could go to prison for this, and my parents disapprove. Let's be friends for the next year and a half, we are both worth waiting for." Incidentally, I also don't tolerate the 18 year old males who decide to prey on younger girls, or boys for that matter, either.

And how are you when it comes to charging minors as adults in crimes?  Still an immature mind?

And after reading your link, I think that girl is a Boomtown Rats song waiting to happen. She was tried in juvenile court for stabbing her friend to death because she didn't like her anymore? Never mind tried as an adult, she should probably be committed to an institution.


This is getting interesting, it's unfortunate I'm so drunk right now but. we finally have a point we agree on., when you're strange
 
2013-05-26 05:14:15 AM  

Boojum2k: Frederick: Boojum2k: The 14 year old is certainly a victim, she is the victim of a crime committed against her. As I pointed out before, a 14 year old mature enough to make those decisions for herself would have been mature enough to say "You could go to prison for this, and my parents disapprove. Let's be friends for the next year and a half, we are both worth waiting for." Incidentally, I also don't tolerate the 18 year old males who decide to prey on younger girls, or boys for that matter, either.

And how are you when it comes to charging minors as adults in crimes?  Still an immature mind?

I really don't like it at all. There are some rare exceptions to that, where even a child can tell it's wrong. Manipulating a young teen into sex may make them feel good, but it is not healthy for them at all. This is a distinction an adult can make. Setting someone on fire to watch them burn being wrong is a moral distinction an eight-year-old can make, so when someone already in their  preteen or early teens has done it, they are likely, but not absolutely, damaged enough already that no amount of therapy is going to allow them to be a functioning member of society. I don't agree with the death penalty for children, so we either let them loose upon the world at eighteen or try them as an adult and cover their care for the majority of their adult years as well.


Okay look do yo mot realize I cold selectively take quotes, things out of your post that would sound very bad? Now reread the cop script that everyone thinks is so bad because that's what happened .
 
2013-05-26 05:25:59 AM  
Oh and you might realize I'm drinking: )
 
2013-05-26 05:30:57 AM  
 
2013-05-26 05:43:30 AM  

Boojum2k: kazikian: If you treat someone like a human, they might just learn to act human.

That has been my point, we expect 18 y/o to be fairly adult, to start taking responsibility for themselves, to have moral agency. Maggie has said that this is possible for much younger girls, which may be true, but that doesn't give Kate Hunt much leeway, because then she should even further understand the law and the consequences and be even more liable. If she really isn't at that level of capability, maybe her lawyer can argue diminished capacity or mental disability at trial and have her declared legally incompetent. Still won't get her into college, and would likely do more damage to her future than the plea deal would have, but it's a possibility.


Human != adult. See, I believe the law is itself inhuman (well, that's putting it strongly but that's the term we're using here), so treating her as an adult is not the same. Note, I'm not arguing for treating her as a child either, as some are. Both teens are, well... teens. Young adults. It's a whole different category, and maybe that's the solution: to impose a third level of legality for the 13-18 crowd. We already do it in some settings.
 
2013-05-26 05:44:24 AM  

muck4doo: kazikian: You know what's funny? If you look at one if the Weenerss I made in this thread, it was to the effect that we'll likely never reform our consent laws and sexual offender laws because it's so easy to label anyone who speaks up as a pedophile and be done with it. So I guess we've come full-circle.

Incidentally, I just now noticed that it was Boojum2k who made the "special" porn jab, not Muck4doo. That guy has been on my case far more vociferously. So I offer Boojum a partial apology, partial because he still took the low road first.

I do it out of love.


Aw, well partial apology to you too then! Partial apologies for everyone!!!
 
2013-05-26 06:07:24 AM  
I have a question that's unrelated to the point of debate. What dies house arrest entail? Can you leave to go to school, or work, or even grocery shopping? Or can you leave for no reason whatsoever?
 
2013-05-26 06:14:18 AM  

kazikian: I have a question that's unrelated to the point of debate. What dies house arrest entail? Can you leave to go to school, or work, or even grocery shopping? Or can you leave for no reason whatsoever?


Good question.  I just assumed no leaving for any reason; but that may not be the case.  It may even be different depending on location.
 
2013-05-26 06:39:38 AM  

Frederick: kazikian: I have a question that's unrelated to the point of debate. What dies house arrest entail? Can you leave to go to school, or work, or even grocery shopping? Or can you leave for no reason whatsoever?

Good question.  I just assumed no leaving for any reason; but that may not be the case.  It may even be different depending on location.


If it's no leaving for any reason, I wouldn't take that deal, myself. Otherwise I dunno. Of course, I still think its better to stand against a law you consider unjust, but the reality is she has an almost-nil chance of actually effecting change. I'm worried that all the former convict sex offenders that we atelier herding into homeless ghettos will rise up and riot before anyone realizes just how messed up some parts of the sex offense laws and sentences really are.
 
2013-05-26 06:40:27 AM  

kazikian: Frederick: kazikian: I have a question that's unrelated to the point of debate. What dies house arrest entail? Can you leave to go to school, or work, or even grocery shopping? Or can you leave for no reason whatsoever?

Good question.  I just assumed no leaving for any reason; but that may not be the case.  It may even be different depending on location.

If it's no leaving for any reason, I wouldn't take that deal, myself. Otherwise I dunno. Of course, I still think its better to stand against a law you consider unjust, but the reality is she has an almost-nil chance of actually effecting change. I'm worried that all the former convict sex offenders that we atelier herding into homeless ghettos will rise up and riot before anyone realizes just how messed up some parts of the sex offense laws and sentences really are.


*are. Atelier? What?
 
2013-05-26 07:11:23 AM  

kazikian: I have a question that's unrelated to the point of debate. What dies house arrest entail? Can you leave to go to school, or work, or even grocery shopping? Or can you leave for no reason whatsoever?


Well granted I never have gone through tat but I do believe it allows for work or school/ Granted with a felony charge (which comes with the plea bargainw)ell she want be going to a good school.
Any way sure whatever right?
well that deal would affect here chance of having kids and all kinds of things wow she was so, stupid no to take that deal (sarcam)
 
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