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2013-05-25 10:50:39 PM

redslippers: That enough reason for you?


Reason enough for the law?  Sure, I dont necessarily object.  But it was undoubtedly selectively applied.  If authorities were to investigate they would find dozens of other active cases in every high school.  The infraction is generally ignored.

hammer85: They can date, they can't fark. No one is saying a senior can't date a freshman.


What is the definition of farking then?  If what these to girls did is illegal then what is the line between a girl and a guy?  And are we to believe that two kids "dating" who arent having intercourse are also not crossing that line?

/I may not have made myself clear....
 
2013-05-25 10:51:31 PM

kazikian: Don't you see any difference at all between an 18 year old having sex with her teenage girlfriend and a dirty old man raping little kids? Even if you think both cases are wrong, don't you think there should be separate laws in effect for each?


When he thinks about teens that's all he can think about, well so it seems I just think back on my experiences as one and realize yea I was crazy and stupid, defiantly lucky to live through it, and well without a felony. Granted as I have said my partners were in the same grade/classes but I didn't think to ask to be sure, but I know I did lot's of other things back then that might have been felonies.
 
2013-05-25 10:54:15 PM
There are separate laws in effect.  The former is Lewd and Lavicious Behavior / Battery and the latter would be statuatory rape.  As a father with a grown daughter who had a boyfriend two years her senior before she was 16, I flat out told him that any farking and I would send him to jail in front of my daughter.  They are both over 20 now and didn't actually fark until married to my happiness.  We have a beautiful granddaughter now.

/I would have loved to have owned a shotgun at that time.  The sound of one of those loading a shell is very persuading.
 
2013-05-25 10:59:12 PM
redslippers: welcome back, hope you slept well.  Thank you for the perspective from the town and high school.

tinfoil-hat maggie:  also welcome back, hope you slept well also.
 
2013-05-25 11:04:57 PM

World Traveling Navy Vet: There are separate laws in effect.  The former is Lewd and Lavicious Behavior / Battery and the latter would be statuatory rape.  As a father with a grown daughter who had a boyfriend two years her senior before she was 16, I flat out told him that any farking and I would send him to jail in front of my daughter.  They are both over 20 now and didn't actually fark until married to my happiness.  We have a beautiful granddaughter now.

/I would have loved to have owned a shotgun at that time.  The sound of one of those loading a shell is very persuading.


I know I probably would feel differently if I had had kids of my own but well that wasn't/isn't in the cards for me. But really you think they married as virgins? Daddies strict, but teens can be sneaky.

/Oh and congrats on the granddaughter : )
 
2013-05-25 11:07:04 PM

World Traveling Navy Vet: tinfoil-hat maggie: also welcome back, hope you slept well also.


Oh, yea and had quite a good day : )
 
2013-05-25 11:22:53 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: kazikian: Don't you see any difference at all between an 18 year old having sex with her teenage girlfriend and a dirty old man raping little kids? Even if you think both cases are wrong, don't you think there should be separate laws in effect for each?

When he thinks about teens that's all he can think about, well so it seems I just think back on my experiences as one and realize yea I was crazy and stupid, defiantly lucky to live through it, and well without a felony. Granted as I have said my partners were in the same grade/classes but I didn't think to ask to be sure, but I know I did lot's of other things back then that might have been felonies.


That's precisely what worries me: teens do lots of dumb shiat, and nearly none of it is worth a felony.
 
2013-05-25 11:31:39 PM

kazikian: muck4doo: kazikian: muck4doo: orbister: kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?

It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.

Don't bother talking to wannabe child molesters.

That's how you know the thread is over.

The thread was over once you and your buddy started defending having sex with 14 year olds.

Don't you see any difference at all between an 18 year old having sex with her teenage girlfriend and a dirty old man raping little kids? Even if you think both cases are wrong, don't you think there should be separate laws in effect for each?


There are multiple laws.

The issue here is not the age of the offender. It's the age of the victim.
 
2013-05-25 11:40:38 PM

kazikian: tinfoil-hat maggie: kazikian: Don't you see any difference at all between an 18 year old having sex with her teenage girlfriend and a dirty old man raping little kids? Even if you think both cases are wrong, don't you think there should be separate laws in effect for each?

When he thinks about teens that's all he can think about, well so it seems I just think back on my experiences as one and realize yea I was crazy and stupid, defiantly lucky to live through it, and well without a felony. Granted as I have said my partners were in the same grade/classes but I didn't think to ask to be sure, but I know I did lot's of other things back then that might have been felonies.

That's precisely what worries me: teens do lots of dumb shiat, and nearly none of it is worth a felony.


Exactly, I know I was dumb back then and I know there were situations where my parents and the law played me into bad decisions as well back then, what came I say I've lived an interesting life so far. So yea I have sympathy for both these girls who in my opinion are still kids and if this was a real rape situation and not apparently consensual well my opinion would change accordingly. It does appear consensual and the only harm that I've seen that was done was the mother of the younger girl saying she became unruley and then split, that was when she ran away, I've already said in this thread that I was arrested in my bed at home for being a runaway when I was 16, becuase I left the night before so yea again I have sympathy for these kids. Luckily I didn't have weed on me or something when my parent's had me taken in or it would have been out of their control but they forced me into rehab where I learned about lot's of more drugs.
 
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2013-05-25 11:41:50 PM

World Traveling Navy Vet: There are separate laws in effect.  The former is Lewd and Lavicious Behavior / Battery and the latter would be statuatory rape.  As a father with a grown daughter who had a boyfriend two years her senior before she was 16, I flat out told him that any farking and I would send him to jail in front of my daughter.  They are both over 20 now and didn't actually fark until married to my happiness.  We have a beautiful granddaughter now.

/I would have loved to have owned a shotgun at that time.  The sound of one of those loading a shell is very persuading.


Yeah, that's what you want to think. The hormones running through a teenage boy or girl are miles more persuading than your shotgun.

Sorry dads. The shotgun is *WAAAY* to late. All you're going to get out of it is a dumb Reddit picture.
 
2013-05-25 11:46:16 PM

Boojum2k: kazikian: muck4doo: orbister: kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?

It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.

Don't bother talking to wannabe child molesters.

That's how you know the thread is over.

Pfft. It would have been over a long time ago if that was the case, we've had multiple in here giving the impression of looking to find an agreeable buddy to trade out some "special" pr0n.

But for your previous comment, the law is determined on an age range, 16&17 are legal within their own age range up to a max of 23 or 24, 18 is fully legal. It's also determined case by case, it is the parents of the younger teen who determine if the harm rises to the level of filing charges. In this case it did, and they did.


The only "special" pornography I've seen involved your mom and a goat. That was a "special" night for everyone.
 
2013-05-25 11:48:47 PM

redslippers: kazikian: muck4doo: kazikian: muck4doo: orbister: kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?

It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.

Don't bother talking to wannabe child molesters.

That's how you know the thread is over.

The thread was over once you and your buddy started defending having sex with 14 year olds.

Don't you see any difference at all between an 18 year old having sex with her teenage girlfriend and a dirty old man raping little kids? Even if you think both cases are wrong, don't you think there should be separate laws in effect for each?

There are multiple laws.

The issue here is not the age of the offender. It's the age of the victim.


If the age of the offender isn't an issue, you're saying that if this was a 48 year woman with a 14 year old, the level of offense committed would be the same? Do you really feel that way?
 
2013-05-25 11:50:44 PM

World Traveling Navy Vet: redslippers: welcome back, hope you slept well.  Thank you for the perspective from the town and high school.

tinfoil-hat maggie:  also welcome back, hope you slept well also.


You are welcome. I slept like a log and then spent the day doing laundry. Five kids and when it comes time to fold and put away clothes my house gets empty and quiet awfully fast.
 
2013-05-25 11:57:28 PM

kazikian: redslippers: kazikian: muck4doo: kazikian: muck4doo: orbister: kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?

It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.

Don't bother talking to wannabe child molesters.

That's how you know the thread is over.

The thread was over once you and your buddy started defending having sex with 14 year olds.

Don't you see any difference at all between an 18 year old having sex with her teenage girlfriend and a dirty old man raping little kids? Even if you think both cases are wrong, don't you think there should be separate laws in effect for each?

There are multiple laws.

The issue here is not the age of the offender. It's the age of the victim.

If the age of the offender isn't an issue, you're saying that if this was a 48 year woman with a 14 year old, the level of offense committed would be the same? Do you really feel that way?


There has to be a line somewhere, and there is: 16. That is the line. Every student in that school knows it: it's included in mandatory curriculum.

The other hard line we have as a society is the age of legal majority.
Hunt was old enough to know better.

The dichotomy you point out is covered in multiple ways. For one, a 48 year old would get the book thrown, not a generous plea. Google Denise Harvey. She's a mom who had sex with her sons friend in this county and got THIRTY YEARS. And that was recent.
 
2013-05-25 11:58:35 PM

redslippers: kazikian: muck4doo: kazikian: muck4doo: orbister: kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?

It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.

Don't bother talking to wannabe child molesters.

That's how you know the thread is over.

The thread was over once you and your buddy started defending having sex with 14 year olds.

Don't you see any difference at all between an 18 year old having sex with her teenage girlfriend and a dirty old man raping little kids? Even if you think both cases are wrong, don't you think there should be separate laws in effect for each?

There are multiple laws.

The issue here is not the age of the offender. It's the age of the victim.


Yes and no, was the age difference wrong? Well yea I have a problem with it. That said I have a problem with the punishment for two teens in high school together. Oh and I keep hearing the parents of the young girl only used this as a last resort after the younger girl running away, well check my other post they did have another option, have their own daughter arrested as a runaway a crime she also committed but they could do something even better. This is why I say it's sad and well really both girls need some counseling for sure but a felony conviction no not so sure on and yes I would be saying this if the situation was very similar and one was male well granted the male was 5'1" .
 
2013-05-26 12:05:46 AM

redslippers: World Traveling Navy Vet: redslippers: welcome back, hope you slept well.  Thank you for the perspective from the town and high school.

tinfoil-hat maggie:  also welcome back, hope you slept well also.

You are welcome. I slept like a log and then spent the day doing laundry. Five kids and when it comes time to fold and put away clothes my house gets empty and quiet awfully fast.


I would like to favorite you, what is your color preference.
 
2013-05-26 12:23:12 AM

kazikian: Boojum2k: kazikian: muck4doo: orbister: kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?

It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.

Don't bother talking to wannabe child molesters.

That's how you know the thread is over.

Pfft. It would have been over a long time ago if that was the case, we've had multiple in here giving the impression of looking to find an agreeable buddy to trade out some "special" pr0n.

But for your previous comment, the law is determined on an age range, 16&17 are legal within their own age range up to a max of 23 or 24, 18 is fully legal. It's also determined case by case, it is the parents of the younger teen who determine if the harm rises to the level of filing charges. In this case it did, and they did.

The only "special" pornography I've seen involved your mom and a goat. That was a "special" night for everyone.


Ignored as "Kiddie Diddler"  Buh-bye.
 
2013-05-26 12:24:12 AM

World Traveling Navy Vet: redslippers: World Traveling Navy Vet: redslippers: welcome back, hope you slept well.  Thank you for the perspective from the town and high school.

tinfoil-hat maggie:  also welcome back, hope you slept well also.

You are welcome. I slept like a log and then spent the day doing laundry. Five kids and when it comes time to fold and put away clothes my house gets empty and quiet awfully fast.

I would like to favorite you, what is your color preference.


Green. Because it means go. Consider yourself favorited as well. My note "definitely not an asshat".
 
2013-05-26 12:29:49 AM

Boojum2k: kazikian: Boojum2k: kazikian: muck4doo: orbister: kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?

It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.

Don't bother talking to wannabe child molesters.

That's how you know the thread is over.

Pfft. It would have been over a long time ago if that was the case, we've had multiple in here giving the impression of looking to find an agreeable buddy to trade out some "special" pr0n.

But for your previous comment, the law is determined on an age range, 16&17 are legal within their own age range up to a max of 23 or 24, 18 is fully legal. It's also determined case by case, it is the parents of the younger teen who determine if the harm rises to the level of filing charges. In this case it did, and they did.

The only "special" pornography I've seen involved your mom and a goat. That was a "special" night for everyone.

Ignored as "Kiddie Diddler"  Buh-bye.


Labeled as "camper troll"? wow you're the first on that one, can you ignore me as well because, well I don't ignore people but if you never respond to me that would be nice : )
 
2013-05-26 12:37:35 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: wow you're the first on that one, can you ignore me as well because, well I don't ignore people but if you never respond to me that would be nice : )


Get over yourself. I gave you respectful answers, and torched the asshat who wanted to get personal, who took offense to something that wasn't specifically aimed at him (although as it seemed it found its mark in him, I feel pretty comfortable with what I labeled him).
And there have been a lot of creepers in this thread, who every time an objection to farking an underage girl is brought up, get all "just asking questions" and move on to yet another reason why they think it might be okay.
 
2013-05-26 12:40:06 AM

hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent...


That was what I was starting to think. Yeah she's below the age of consent, but if they're in a relationship, who pressed charges?

... oh.
 
2013-05-26 12:40:22 AM

redslippers: World Traveling Navy Vet: redslippers: World Traveling Navy Vet: redslippers: welcome back, hope you slept well.  Thank you for the perspective from the town and high school.

tinfoil-hat maggie:  also welcome back, hope you slept well also.

You are welcome. I slept like a log and then spent the day doing laundry. Five kids and when it comes time to fold and put away clothes my house gets empty and quiet awfully fast.

I would like to favorite you, what is your color preference.

Green. Because it means go. Consider yourself favorited as well. My note "definitely not an asshat".


Favorited you myself, will make it green, labeled "Go"
 
2013-05-26 12:57:20 AM

Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: wow you're the first on that one, can you ignore me as well because, well I don't ignore people but if you never respond to me that would be nice : )

Get over yourself. I gave you respectful answers, and torched the asshat who wanted to get personal, who took offense to something that wasn't specifically aimed at him (although as it seemed it found its mark in him, I feel pretty comfortable with what I labeled him).
And there have been a lot of creepers in this thread, who every time an objection to farking an underage girl is brought up, get all "just asking questions" and move on to yet another reason why they think it might be okay.


Okay, I sorta respect that but somehow I missed were he was being a "creeper" (another loaded word), I know it's a touchy subject(no pun intended dammit) but there does seem so be lots of cries of child rape, pedophilia, child molestestion wear none existed it was lewd and lucidiauos act on a minor to my understanding and well as I have said I have until it was overturned been guilty of these laws Link

To say two high schoolers shouldn't have to go through that well seems normal. Granted some have tried to think of an alternative to the current system, granted every state law is different.That doesn't mean they want to fark 14 yr olds though.

And well if you only ignore people that get personal well I could go there, I swear if you call another person a pedo or say they wanna fark 14 year olds well I really I will lose it.

And ya I'm not so sure of what's going on in that brain of yours but well I told ya put me on ignore.
 
2013-05-26 01:05:42 AM

redslippers: World Traveling Navy Vet: redslippers: World Traveling Navy Vet: redslippers: welcome back, hope you slept well.  Thank you for the perspective from the town and high school.

tinfoil-hat maggie:  also welcome back, hope you slept well also.

You are welcome. I slept like a log and then spent the day doing laundry. Five kids and when it comes time to fold and put away clothes my house gets empty and quiet awfully fast.

I would like to favorite you, what is your color preference.

Green. Because it means go. Consider yourself favorited as well. My note "definitely not an asshat".


Done, Green 4 as Well spoken.
 
2013-05-26 01:06:31 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: And well if you only ignore people that get personal well I could go there, I swear if you call another person a pedo or say they wanna fark 14 year olds well I really I will lose it.

And ya I'm not so sure of what's going on in that brain of yours but well I told ya put me on ignore.


He did decide to get personal, so I decided to fire for effect on the spot he already found painful. I'm sorry you had to witness that. I'm heavy handed and extremely blunt, a result of a long life of not-giving-farks and doing my own thing. I'm not entirely sure what's going on in my brain sometimes, but it works pretty well.  I tend to have pretty good insight into people and their motivations.

You've had some of the only viable defenses applicable to the situation, and they've been made rationally and directly from your personal experiences. I've noted before to someone else that projecting personal experience on this matter might not be all that valid, but you've been honest and direct in your statements. I do appreciate that, even if I disagree with it from my reading of things. If any of my comments towards you have had some heat to them, it's more from me not being tactful than any negative feelings. You've seen what my angry response is, and it is pretty much short, sweet, and to the point, and ends any possibility that they will continue to troll me, play dozens games, or whatever other childish motivations their basement-dwelling bottom-feeding selves harbor.
 
2013-05-26 01:07:35 AM
I can't see what the problem is with a 17-year-old and a 15-year-old getting married is.
As long as they are happy together, what's the problem?

/begun, the flame war has.....
 
2013-05-26 01:12:18 AM

World Traveling Navy Vet: There are separate laws in effect.  The former is Lewd and Lavicious Behavior / Battery and the latter would be statuatory rape.  As a father with a grown daughter who had a boyfriend two years her senior before she was 16, I flat out told him that any farking and I would send him to jail in front of my daughter.  They are both over 20 now and didn't actually fark until married to my happiness.  We have a beautiful granddaughter now.

/I would have loved to have owned a shotgun at that time.  The sound of one of those loading a shell is very persuading.


Oh and BTW my first girlfriend, the one when I was 14 and so was she well her dad was a Sergeant Major in the Army, they just had come back from a tour in Germany. She and I met because she was wearing an AC/DC concert shirt I had never seen and all I said was cool shirt and well....

Oh, her daddy would've been mad as hell if he knew, well, when I first met him I said "Yes sir" in answer to a question and he pulled the Army stuff "I work for a living" ... "I'm a Sergent Major"
/Sorry that memory just popped back up ; )
 
2013-05-26 01:14:26 AM

Hugo Zorilla: I can't see what the problem is with a 17-year-old and a 15-year-old getting married is.
As long as they are happy together, what's the problem?

/begun, the flame war has.....


You are an evil, twisted, horrible person. And a little late, the flames are beginning to die down. Can I interest you in some toasted marshmallows?
 
2013-05-26 01:36:43 AM

Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: And well if you only ignore people that get personal well I could go there, I swear if you call another person a pedo or say they wanna fark 14 year olds well I really I will lose it.

And ya I'm not so sure of what's going on in that brain of yours but well I told ya put me on ignore.

He did decide to get personal, so I decided to fire for effect on the spot he already found painful. I'm sorry you had to witness that. I'm heavy handed and extremely blunt, a result of a long life of not-giving-farks and doing my own thing. I'm not entirely sure what's going on in my brain sometimes, but it works pretty well.  I tend to have pretty good insight into people and their motivations.

You've had some of the only viable defenses applicable to the situation, and they've been made rationally and directly from your personal experiences. I've noted before to someone else that projecting personal experience on this matter might not be all that valid, but you've been honest and direct in your statements. I do appreciate that, even if I disagree with it from my reading of things. If any of my comments towards you have had some heat to them, it's more from me not being tactful than any negative feelings. You've seen what my angry response is, and it is pretty much short, sweet, and to the point, and ends any possibility that they will continue to troll me, play dozens games, or whatever other childish motivations their basement-dwelling bottom-feeding selves harbor.


Okay, look he said the only true pornography he'd seen was your mom and a goat, you called him a kiddy diddler and put him on ignore. Whatever but really how would I be a kiddy diddler after seeing your mom with a goat?

Now then, I believe you have used info constantly without providing links/citations I think you're way to fueled up on this case for some reason. and well the using the loaded words doesn't help. You should also admit that way to many people in this thread have said the words as an attack against others or the older girl "Child abuse", "Kiddy diddling", "Child rape", and "pedophilia". Well you get the point and I think you should take down the ignore on the other poster because well come on your mom jokes? also you did way worse and if I ignored people I wouldn't be saying this to you but you seem like you may be able to be saved.
 
2013-05-26 01:40:41 AM

Boojum2k: Hugo Zorilla: I can't see what the problem is with a 17-year-old and a 15-year-old getting married is.
As long as they are happy together, what's the problem?

/begun, the flame war has.....

You are an evil, twisted, horrible person. And a little late, the flames are beginning to die down. Can I interest you in some toasted marshmallows?


I'll just say there is no proof that the older girl wasn't 17 or younger when they first met. And yea I know what the affidavit says but, cops don't have to write down anything that goes against there case, just saying
/Sorry : )
 
2013-05-26 01:52:54 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Boojum2k: Hugo Zorilla: I can't see what the problem is with a 17-year-old and a 15-year-old getting married is.
As long as they are happy together, what's the problem?

/begun, the flame war has.....

You are an evil, twisted, horrible person. And a little late, the flames are beginning to die down. Can I interest you in some toasted marshmallows?

I'll just say there is no proof that the older girl wasn't 17 or younger when they first met. And yea I know what the affidavit says but, cops don't have to write down anything that goes against there case, just saying
/Sorry : )


I doubt very seriously that the older girl would have gone over to the middle school to meet the younger one the year before.  They would have met in IB classes, and then when Basketball practice started late fall the same year.  The older one was already 18 when school started.

/Just sayin.
 
2013-05-26 02:02:37 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: , I believe you have used info constantly without providing links/citations


Nope. The links have been provided multiple times throughout the thread. I'm not going to drop them into each and every post. I read through the posts, other farkers can do the same. It only seems fair.
But FYI
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted

http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_7597.shtml

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/24/justice/florida-teen-sex-case

And finally, http://www.change.org/petitions/assistant-state-attorney-brian-workma n -stop-the-prosecution-of-an-18-year-old-girl-in-a-same-sex-relationshi p  The petition where the Hunt's started spreading lies.

tinfoil-hat maggie: I'll just say there is no proof that the older girl wasn't 17 or younger when they first met. And yea I know what the affidavit says but, cops don't have to write down anything that goes against there case, just saying


Well, she turned 18 at the start of the younger girl's freshman school year, so it's very unlikely. Still wouldn't have been legal. If it were the case, and it came out, the only effect is to add more felony charges to her list, so it wouldn't be much good as some kind of defense. I'll grant it as a very unlikely possibility, that would assume facts not in evidence anywhere at all.

As for kazi, he decided to go out in a blaze over an agreeable comment I made directly to him and a side comment about the creepers (yeah, I know it's something of a loaded term, but it's the nicest term I can think of for people who keep edging on or sidling up to the "maybe 14 year olds are fair game" topic, and you did ask me not to call them something stronger) . *shrug* I might take him off ignore, or at least change his tag.
 
2013-05-26 02:02:39 AM

World Traveling Navy Vet: tinfoil-hat maggie: Boojum2k: Hugo Zorilla: I can't see what the problem is with a 17-year-old and a 15-year-old getting married is.
As long as they are happy together, what's the problem?

/begun, the flame war has.....

You are an evil, twisted, horrible person. And a little late, the flames are beginning to die down. Can I interest you in some toasted marshmallows?

I'll just say there is no proof that the older girl wasn't 17 or younger when they first met. And yea I know what the affidavit says but, cops don't have to write down anything that goes against there case, just saying
/Sorry : )

I doubt very seriously that the older girl would have gone over to the middle school to meet the younger one the year before.  They would have met in IB classes, and then when Basketball practice started late fall the same year.  The older one was already 18 when school started.

/Just sayin.


Churches, Basketball camps(granted I think we would've heard about that) just living nearby. Oh and when does basket ball practice start up for the school? not much into sports but I was in marching band for awhile and had summer drills.
 
2013-05-26 02:06:13 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I was in marching band


So was I, trumpet player. Pretty good, back in the day, but nowhere near first chair. Our top three trumpets were all fricking prodigies.
 
2013-05-26 02:13:05 AM

Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: , I believe you have used info constantly without providing links/citations

Nope. The links have been provided multiple times throughout the thread. I'm not going to drop them into each and every post. I read through the posts, other farkers can do the same. It only seems fair.
But FYI
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted

http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_7597.shtml

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/24/justice/florida-teen-sex-case

And finally, http://www.change.org/petitions/assistant-state-attorney-brian-workma n -stop-the-prosecution-of-an-18-year-old-girl-in-a-same-sex-relationshi p  The petition where the Hunt's started spreading lies.

tinfoil-hat maggie: I'll just say there is no proof that the older girl wasn't 17 or younger when they first met. And yea I know what the affidavit says but, cops don't have to write down anything that goes against there case, just saying

Well, she turned 18 at the start of the younger girl's freshman school year, so it's very unlikely. Still wouldn't have been legal. If it were the case, and it came out, the only effect is to add more felony charges to her list, so it wouldn't be much good as some kind of defense. I'll grant it as a very unlikely possibility, that would assume facts not in evidence anywhere at all.

As for kazi, he decided to go out in a blaze over an agreeable comment I made directly to him and a side comment about the creepers (yeah, I know it's something of a loaded term, but it's the nicest term I can think of for people who keep edging on or sidling up to the "maybe 14 year olds are fair game" topic, and you did ask me not to call them something stronger) . *shrug* I might take him off ignore, or at least change his tag.


Your CNN link was quit informative.
From that "His daughter's innocence was taken away, Jim Smith told CNN affiliate WPEC. "There deserves some type of punishment for that." "

And well you're still in grey where I put people that I would ignore.

Well have a touch of grey ; )
Maybe you'll grow out of your authoritarianism after it gets used on you.
 
2013-05-26 02:18:16 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: World Traveling Navy Vet: tinfoil-hat maggie: Boojum2k: Hugo Zorilla: I can't see what the problem is with a 17-year-old and a 15-year-old getting married is.
As long as they are happy together, what's the problem?

/begun, the flame war has.....

You are an evil, twisted, horrible person. And a little late, the flames are beginning to die down. Can I interest you in some toasted marshmallows?

I'll just say there is no proof that the older girl wasn't 17 or younger when they first met. And yea I know what the affidavit says but, cops don't have to write down anything that goes against there case, just saying
/Sorry : )

I doubt very seriously that the older girl would have gone over to the middle school to meet the younger one the year before.  They would have met in IB classes, and then when Basketball practice started late fall the same year.  The older one was already 18 when school started.

/Just sayin.

Churches, Basketball camps(granted I think we would've heard about that) just living nearby. Oh and when does basket ball practice start up for the school? not much into sports but I was in marching band for awhile and had summer drills.


Unlikely. The Hunts are not religious and there are no camps for kids that age in the area. They did not attend the same middle school and do not live near each other.

/lived in the area recently
//kids attended that school
///best friend knows the victim
 
2013-05-26 02:18:18 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Well have a touch of grey ; )
Maybe you'll grow out of your authoritarianism after it gets used on you.


Meh, more Neutral Good than Lawful. But I do love that song.
 
2013-05-26 02:28:52 AM

Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: I was in marching band

So was I, trumpet player. Pretty good, back in the day, but nowhere near first chair. Our top three trumpets were all fricking prodigies.


So was I, well coronet it's what my older brother had so, well. yea that's what I had.
 
2013-05-26 02:32:58 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: World Traveling Navy Vet: tinfoil-hat maggie: Boojum2k: Hugo Zorilla: I can't see what the problem is with a 17-year-old and a 15-year-old getting married is.
As long as they are happy together, what's the problem?

/begun, the flame war has.....

You are an evil, twisted, horrible person. And a little late, the flames are beginning to die down. Can I interest you in some toasted marshmallows?

I'll just say there is no proof that the older girl wasn't 17 or younger when they first met. And yea I know what the affidavit says but, cops don't have to write down anything that goes against there case, just saying
/Sorry : )

I doubt very seriously that the older girl would have gone over to the middle school to meet the younger one the year before.  They would have met in IB classes, and then when Basketball practice started late fall the same year.  The older one was already 18 when school started.

/Just sayin.

Churches, Basketball camps(granted I think we would've heard about that) just living nearby. Oh and when does basket ball practice start up for the school? not much into sports but I was in marching band for awhile and had summer drills.


Basketball practice usually starts just after football ends in high school, that would put it in the Oct/Nov timeframe.
 
2013-05-26 02:38:40 AM
Definitely end of October, scroll to down to the sports calendar on the right side of this link.
 
2013-05-26 02:39:27 AM

redslippers: tinfoil-hat maggie: World Traveling Navy Vet: tinfoil-hat maggie: Boojum2k: Hugo Zorilla: I can't see what the problem is with a 17-year-old and a 15-year-old getting married is.
As long as they are happy together, what's the problem?

/begun, the flame war has.....

You are an evil, twisted, horrible person. And a little late, the flames are beginning to die down. Can I interest you in some toasted marshmallows?

I'll just say there is no proof that the older girl wasn't 17 or younger when they first met. And yea I know what the affidavit says but, cops don't have to write down anything that goes against there case, just saying
/Sorry : )

I doubt very seriously that the older girl would have gone over to the middle school to meet the younger one the year before.  They would have met in IB classes, and then when Basketball practice started late fall the same year.  The older one was already 18 when school started.

/Just sayin.

Churches, Basketball camps(granted I think we would've heard about that) just living nearby. Oh and when does basket ball practice start up for the school? not much into sports but I was in marching band for awhile and had summer drills.

Unlikely. The Hunts are not religious and there are no camps for kids that age in the area. They did not attend the same middle school and do not live near each other.

/lived in the area recently
//kids attended that school
///best friend knows the victim


Okay I haven't called you on this but ,,,
upload.wikimedia.org

I mean really you can't post some local links? And well you're victim is gonna stay one, sorry her parents fubared her more than likely and yea I understand there were no good choices but well...
 
2013-05-26 02:41:02 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: I was in marching band

So was I, trumpet player. Pretty good, back in the day, but nowhere near first chair. Our top three trumpets were all fricking prodigies.

So was I, well coronet it's what my older brother had so, well. yea that's what I had.


I played b-flat trumpet in junior high and high school, played C trumpet in Drum & Bugle Corps afterwards. Loved the heavy brass pieces where we got to pin the crowd to their seats. We were one of the top ten marching bands in the country at the time, very DBC style for competition. Also played jazz.
 
2013-05-26 02:44:35 AM

World Traveling Navy Vet: tinfoil-hat maggie: World Traveling Navy Vet: tinfoil-hat maggie: Boojum2k: Hugo Zorilla: I can't see what the problem is with a 17-year-old and a 15-year-old getting married is.
As long as they are happy together, what's the problem?

/begun, the flame war has.....

You are an evil, twisted, horrible person. And a little late, the flames are beginning to die down. Can I interest you in some toasted marshmallows?

I'll just say there is no proof that the older girl wasn't 17 or younger when they first met. And yea I know what the affidavit says but, cops don't have to write down anything that goes against there case, just saying
/Sorry : )

I doubt very seriously that the older girl would have gone over to the middle school to meet the younger one the year before.  They would have met in IB classes, and then when Basketball practice started late fall the same year.  The older one was already 18 when school started.

/Just sayin.

Churches, Basketball camps(granted I think we would've heard about that) just living nearby. Oh and when does basket ball practice start up for the school? not much into sports but I was in marching band for awhile and had summer drills.

Basketball practice usually starts just after football ends in high school, that would put it in the Oct/Nov timeframe.


Like I said I have no Idea so....
You're just mad because I said your daughter wasn't a virgin when she married; ) Oh, and I thought I said camp not practice but maybe I didn't
 
2013-05-26 02:51:19 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: And well you're victim is gonna stay one


Yeah, it would have been best all around if Kate had just not had sex with an underage girl. That's pretty much where it starts and ends. It was the girls parents choice to pursue charges, and they say they warned Kate first, but on further consideration, if it got to someone in, say, Child Protective Services that they were allowing this to happen to their daughter, they could have lost her.

The only adult who could have actually prevented all of this from happening is Kate Hunt. And she decided she liked jailbait instead. That's pretty much all there is to it. She broke the law, she admitted breaking the law, and was offered a plea deal. None of her actual defenses stated so far can actually be used in court, the statute specifically disallows claims of consent from someone under 16 and it disallows claiming ignorance of their age. She doesn't have a real legal defense at all. Maybe her lawyers plan is to give her such a shiatty defense that her lawyer will be disbarred and a new trial would be needed, but that seems like a kamikaze run that would just delay the inevitable. Judges don't take too well to attempting to run their courtrooms from the media.
 
2013-05-26 03:00:52 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: World Traveling Navy Vet: tinfoil-hat maggie: World Traveling Navy Vet: tinfoil-hat maggie: Boojum2k: Hugo Zorilla: I can't see what the problem is with a 17-year-old and a 15-year-old getting married is.
As long as they are happy together, what's the problem?

/begun, the flame war has.....

You are an evil, twisted, horrible person. And a little late, the flames are beginning to die down. Can I interest you in some toasted marshmallows?

I'll just say there is no proof that the older girl wasn't 17 or younger when they first met. And yea I know what the affidavit says but, cops don't have to write down anything that goes against there case, just saying
/Sorry : )

I doubt very seriously that the older girl would have gone over to the middle school to meet the younger one the year before.  They would have met in IB classes, and then when Basketball practice started late fall the same year.  The older one was already 18 when school started.

/Just sayin.

Churches, Basketball camps(granted I think we would've heard about that) just living nearby. Oh and when does basket ball practice start up for the school? not much into sports but I was in marching band for awhile and had summer drills.

Basketball practice usually starts just after football ends in high school, that would put it in the Oct/Nov timeframe.

Like I said I have no Idea so....
You're just mad because I said your daughter wasn't a virgin when she married; ) Oh, and I thought I said camp not practice but maybe I didn't


You did say camps, but also asked when practice started.  On further investigation of the site linked above the 2012 calendar shows Oct 22, 2012 as the start date for 2012/2013 practice, no mention of camps from June until then.

Nope on my daughter, but from her reaction around my wife and I regarding our talking about fooling around I suspect that she was at least until she graduated and moved out of the house into an apartment with my now SIL.  :D
 
2013-05-26 03:13:55 AM

Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: And well you're victim is gonna stay one

Yeah, it would have been best all around if Kate had just not had sex with an underage girl. That's pretty much where it starts and ends. It was the girls parents choice to pursue charges, and they say they warned Kate first, but on further consideration, if it got to someone in, say, Child Protective Services that they were allowing this to happen to their daughter, they could have lost her.

The only adult who could have actually prevented all of this from happening is Kate Hunt. And she decided she liked jailbait instead. That's pretty much all there is to it. She broke the law, she admitted breaking the law, and was offered a plea deal. None of her actual defenses stated so far can actually be used in court, the statute specifically disallows claims of consent from someone under 16 and it disallows claiming ignorance of their age. She doesn't have a real legal defense at all. Maybe her lawyers plan is to give her such a shiatty defense that her lawyer will be disbarred and a new trial would be needed, but that seems like a kamikaze run that would just delay the inevitable. Judges don't take too well to attempting to run their courtrooms from the media.


See, we differ on this point the older girl was supposedly a legal adult but couldn't buy cigarettes for another year, she wouldn't be able to buy alcohol for 3 more years but hey she can vote or whatever.

Also I think we differ on the younger girl she keeps getting refereed to as the victim here, well several people that were 14 yr old girls stood up and said wait I wasn't a victim and I did it because well that's what teens do.So okay you're alright with the older girl going to jail and/or having her life ruined I'm not.
 
2013-05-26 03:18:08 AM

Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: wow you're the first on that one, can you ignore me as well because, well I don't ignore people but if you never respond to me that would be nice : )

Get over yourself. I gave you respectful answers, and torched the asshat who wanted to get personal, who took offense to something that wasn't specifically aimed at him (although as it seemed it found its mark in him, I feel pretty comfortable with what I labeled him).
And there have been a lot of creepers in this thread, who every time an objection to farking an underage girl is brought up, get all "just asking questions" and move on to yet another reason why they think it might be okay.


Oh, I believe you made it personal first, my friend, when you accused people of being child molesters. But since you ignored me, I'll just have your mom pass this message on to you.
 
2013-05-26 03:25:59 AM

Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: , I believe you have used info constantly without providing links/citations

Nope. The links have been provided multiple times throughout the thread. I'm not going to drop them into each and every post. I read through the posts, other farkers can do the same. It only seems fair.
But FYI
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted

http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_7597.shtml

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/24/justice/florida-teen-sex-case

And finally, http://www.change.org/petitions/assistant-state-attorney-brian-workma n -stop-the-prosecution-of-an-18-year-old-girl-in-a-same-sex-relationshi p  The petition where the Hunt's started spreading lies.

tinfoil-hat maggie: I'll just say there is no proof that the older girl wasn't 17 or younger when they first met. And yea I know what the affidavit says but, cops don't have to write down anything that goes against there case, just saying

Well, she turned 18 at the start of the younger girl's freshman school year, so it's very unlikely. Still wouldn't have been legal. If it were the case, and it came out, the only effect is to add more felony charges to her list, so it wouldn't be much good as some kind of defense. I'll grant it as a very unlikely possibility, that would assume facts not in evidence anywhere at all.

As for kazi, he decided to go out in a blaze over an agreeable comment I made directly to him and a side comment about the creepers (yeah, I know it's something of a loaded term, but it's the nicest term I can think of for people who keep edging on or sidling up to the "maybe 14 year olds are fair game" topic, and you did ask me not to call them something stronger) . *shrug* I might take him off ignore, or at least change his tag.


In all fairness (since you're being more fair here), your comments have generally been thoughtful, which is added reason why I reacted to the sudden included accusation against EVERYONE in the thread who argued the opposing side, mind you, of freaking pederasty, mind you.
 
2013-05-26 03:27:09 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: So okay you're alright with the older girl going to jail and/or having her life ruined I'm not.


I'd have been okay with her taking the plea deal. I am solely not okay with her walking away with no consequences whatsoever, and that looks remarkably unlikely now that her legal plan is to throw herself under the bus and hope the court hits the brakes. Considering the offer made, I don't think I'll sweat it if she gets double-digit years in the pen, which is also pretty unlikely, but the only way it ruins her life is if she lets it. Other people have made worse mistakes, paid the price for them, and gone on to live full, productive, happy lives.
The 14 year old is certainly a victim, she is the victim of a crime committed against her. As I pointed out before, a 14 year old mature enough to make those decisions for herself would have been mature enough to say "You could go to prison for this, and my parents disapprove. Let's be friends for the next year and a half, we are both worth waiting for." Incidentally, I also don't tolerate the 18 year old males who decide to prey on younger girls, or boys for that matter, either.
 
2013-05-26 03:28:56 AM

kazikian: Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: wow you're the first on that one, can you ignore me as well because, well I don't ignore people but if you never respond to me that would be nice : )

Get over yourself. I gave you respectful answers, and torched the asshat who wanted to get personal, who took offense to something that wasn't specifically aimed at him (although as it seemed it found its mark in him, I feel pretty comfortable with what I labeled him).
And there have been a lot of creepers in this thread, who every time an objection to farking an underage girl is brought up, get all "just asking questions" and move on to yet another reason why they think it might be okay.

Oh, I believe you made it personal first, my friend, when you accused people of being child molesters. But since you ignored me, I'll just have your mom pass this message on to you.


Lol : ) word, I mean this is a sad situation but people calling people kiddy diddlers and creepers, etc. doesn't help. Oh well both kids have been screwed up now, and most these people don't even understand why. As I keep sayin' it's just sad.
 
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