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2013-05-24 05:57:35 PM
FTFABy accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.
 
2013-05-24 05:58:13 PM
It took me a half hour and most of my bodily fluids to just get through that headline.
 
2013-05-24 06:00:20 PM

Mugato: It took me a half hour and most of my bodily fluids to just get through that headline.


www.kzoz.com
 
2013-05-24 06:01:48 PM

hardinparamedic: Mugato: It took me a half hour and most of my bodily fluids to just get through that headline.

[www.kzoz.com image 180x469]


Eat a dick, Hanson.
 
2013-05-24 06:06:23 PM

Mugato: Eat a dick, Hanson.


1.bp.blogspot.com

okay. :(
 
2013-05-24 06:09:36 PM
Oof. Nicely done, subby.
 
2013-05-24 06:14:55 PM
WHAR PICS, WHAR?!
 
2013-05-24 06:15:20 PM
An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.
 
2013-05-24 06:16:03 PM
Hahahaha, she seems to think that because she is gay and femaie that she is somehow above the law.
 
2013-05-24 06:16:11 PM
I'm not so sure about the stance that "if it were a boy and a girl" there wouldn't be an issue. I mean, an 18yo "boy" would get tried as an adult and be sent to prison for 10-20 years.
 
2013-05-24 06:16:59 PM

hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.


Two years of World of Warcraft, yay! Not being able to go for a run outside, boo! I'm torn. On the other hand, how would you earn money? Let's assume for the sake of argument that webcam sex worker is off the table...
 
2013-05-24 06:17:00 PM

lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.


Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.
 
2013-05-24 06:17:21 PM
Hey - I am all about equality.  If it illegal for heterosexual couples to have a relationship with that age difference (where one side is a minor) why should it be any different for a same sex relationship?  (Gal should have taken the plea).
 
2013-05-24 06:18:05 PM
Double standards aside and all, 2 years house arrest is a very sweet deal to say no to. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
 
2013-05-24 06:18:53 PM

Xavier99: Hey - I am all about equality.  If it illegal for heterosexual couples to have a relationship with that age difference (where one side is a minor) why should it be any different for a same sex relationship?  (Gal should have taken the plea).


Ditto.  That's how I feel as well.  That was a pretty damn good plea deal.
 
2013-05-24 06:19:20 PM

bulldg4life: I'm not so sure about the stance that "if it were a boy and a girl" there wouldn't be an issue. I mean, an 18yo "boy" would get tried as an adult and be sent to prison for 10-20 years.


QFT.
 
2013-05-24 06:20:01 PM
I hope she's able to snatch justice for herself here.
 
2013-05-24 06:20:02 PM
It would be quite a shocker if this deal goes through.
The court is going to come down like a fist on her.
 
2013-05-24 06:20:13 PM

Xavier99: Hey - I am all about equality.  If it illegal for heterosexual couples to have a relationship with that age difference (where one side is a minor) why should it be any different for a same sex relationship?  (Gal should have taken the plea).


You know, I'm all in agreeance with you with one caveat. In many states, marriage of the two parties eliminates the possibility of a statutory rape charge.

/oh, this shall be interesting.
 
2013-05-24 06:20:24 PM
FTA : Hunt's family claims the now 15-year-old's parents turned Hunt in because they were angry about the same-sex relationship.

That's just what I'd expect those Hunts to say.
 
2013-05-24 06:20:54 PM

hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.


I completely agree with her, her family, friends and supporters that the law is wrong. Being 18, in high school and having sex with a younger peer or classmate is not a crime, IMHO. I know we all agree that someone 18 or older with a limited spread of 4 or 5 years age difference would prevent unnecessary statutory rape cases, as well as not putting non-sex offenders on those stupid websites.

But, I think they should have taken the plea deal to avoid an awful legal mess.

/Pick the battles you can win.
 
2013-05-24 06:20:58 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-24 06:20:59 PM

hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.


well, it also matters what the law there is regarding young person with young person.  most states allow either 3 or 4 year age gaps so it's not child rape for an 18 y/o to be with a 16 y/o.  I'm assuming they have  4 year window, it the younger is off by a couple months.  sometimes, the law came feel a little arbitrary, when, for example, you either did something totally lawful, or child rape worst felony ever because someone was born on a monday instead of a tuesday.

/ dnrtfa
 
2013-05-24 06:21:00 PM
Somthing similar happened to a friend of mine. He started dating a girl when he was 17 and she was 15. When he turned 19 and the girl was 17 the parents got mad and had him prosecuted. He's still trying to get off the sex offender list. It is bullshiat for him and it's bullshiat for this girl.
 
2013-05-24 06:21:33 PM
meh

I submitted this with a better headline

Women finally win the fight for equal rights.
 
2013-05-24 06:21:43 PM
If it goes to a jury she would look like an idiot taking the plea bargain. Generally the prosecution gives plea bargains to people they don't have enough evidence to convict them on.
 
2013-05-24 06:21:56 PM
As with the one that put her in this position in the first place, she is going to regret that decision.

Plea deals for that sort of thing don't get any better. Now they're going to hang her out to dry.
 
2013-05-24 06:22:13 PM
Sorta surprised she rejected it. That deal wouldn't even be on the table for a male in her position. I was already having trouble sussing up sympathy for this girl but that really just does it for me

Has there been any sort of proof that the mother of the 14 year old is truly motivated by homophobia and not just the usual "I don't want my 14 year old having sex" attitude? All I've read is the mother of the 18 year old saying it's because she's a bigot.
 
2013-05-24 06:22:43 PM
Some animals are more equal than others.
 
2013-05-24 06:23:08 PM
One can almost see a thorough reaming coming her way.
 
2013-05-24 06:23:35 PM

hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.


Uhhh... I don't have the GoogleFu now, but I saw a report where it *would* be a felony conviction, year of supervised probation, and free rein for the courts to look at her emails and online accounts.
 
2013-05-24 06:24:22 PM

hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.


It's still on her criminal record, which affects her ability to gain employment (and possibly adopt kids). Also, doesn't house arrest affect your ability to go to college?

In any case, it's in the news now, so anytime someone googles her name for such things, it's going to pop up. So I'd probably want to take the plea deal anyway.
 
2013-05-24 06:24:25 PM
Well hell, why not just start arresting everyone in High School who has a girlfriend?

Seems pretty damn stupid if you ask me.
 
2013-05-24 06:25:03 PM

pute kisses like a man: well, it also matters what the law there is regarding young person with young person.  most states allow either 3 or 4 year age gaps so it's not child rape for an 18 y/o to be with a 16 y/o.  I'm assuming they have  4 year window, it the younger is off by a couple months.  sometimes, the law came feel a little arbitrary, when, for example, you either did something totally lawful, or child rape worst felony ever because someone was born on a monday instead of a tuesday.

/ dnrtfa


IIRC from the last thread on this, the Romeo and Juliet statute for their state does not make what they did legal, but it does allow her to petition the court, upon conviction, to keep from having to register as a sex offender.

She's still got a felony conviction for at least 10 years before she can expunge it from her record, if they'll allow it.

AirForceVet: I completely agree with her, her family, friends and supporters that the law is wrong. Being 18, in high school and having sex with a younger peer or classmate is not a crime, IMHO. I know we all agree that someone 18 or older with a limited spread of 4 or 5 years age difference would prevent unnecessary statutory rape cases, as well as not putting non-sex offenders on those stupid websites.


I do think the law is wrong and needs to be written in such a way that it eliminates it's use as a parental revenge tool. I also think that it's wrong that a heterosexual couple involved in this could get married and eliminate the issue, and a homosexual couple could not.
 
2013-05-24 06:25:11 PM
Bathe her.  And bring her to me.

/ok forget the bath
 
2013-05-24 06:25:25 PM

heidinoele: Somthing similar happened to a friend of mine. He started dating a girl when he was 17 and she was 15. When he turned 19 and the girl was 17 the parents got mad and had him prosecuted. He's still trying to get off the sex offender list. It is bullshiat for him and it's bullshiat for this girl.


There was a similar case here in California.  Guy turned 18, his girlfriend was a year younger.  The father pressed charges.  Normally the police would have not bothered, but in this case the father was a cop, so his buddy network took care of things.

Last I heard, the couple is now married with a baby.  The guy is stuck on the sex offender's list so his job prospects are severely limited.  I doubt they have any interaction with daddy dearest.
 
rka
2013-05-24 06:25:37 PM

hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.


So these parents don't like the lesbian angle. Some other girl's parents don't like the boyfriend because he's not Jewish. Some other girl's parents don't like the fact that the guy was black. Some other girl's parents don't like the bf/gf because they are poor.

Welcome to the world of dating jailbait...er teenage girls.
 
2013-05-24 06:26:47 PM
I lOl'd
 
2013-05-24 06:27:17 PM

hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.


Thats still 2 years of her life for being in a relationship that started out as legal. Letter of the law people are the reason western society is crumbling around the edges. There is no leeway for circumstance. No mercy for petty issues.
Making someones way of life illegal simply because they had a birthday and the law says that makes them an adult to me screams ignorance and for the most part indicates a broken legal system.
 
2013-05-24 06:27:42 PM
You are all missing the point: NOT sending a lesbian to a women's prison is the WIN.

-"Pleeeaaaase don't throw me in that briar 'patch'..
 
rka
2013-05-24 06:27:42 PM

hardinparamedic: I also think that it's wrong that a heterosexual couple involved in this could get married and eliminate the issue, and a homosexual couple could not.


What if the state requires parental permission due to the age of the girl? If the parents don't want them to date and would press Statutory Rape charges what are the odds that they'll give permission to marry?
 
2013-05-24 06:27:49 PM
Huntington Post has a different take on the deal:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/05/24/kaitlyn-hunt-refus e s-plea-deal-gay-teen-charged_n_3331434.html?ir=Gay+Voices
 
2013-05-24 06:28:56 PM
Huffington Post, I mean...

/time to start drinking
 
2013-05-24 06:28:59 PM

duffblue: If it goes to a jury she would look like an idiot taking the plea bargain. Generally the prosecution gives plea bargains to people they don't have enough evidence to convict them on.


I take it you are in the area and are looking forward to drooling over any "evidence" during the trial (if called to be a juror)?

duffblue: "Your honor, I am not sure if she is guilty or not yet - do you have any shots from a different angle?"

Or better yet - is this a state where the jury can ask questions of the defendent? boy that could get fun.
 
2013-05-24 06:29:30 PM
Ah, yes. The magical ages of 16, then 18, then 21 where you suddenly become responsible enough to engage in behaviors that were completely out of the question the day before.

/ if you have to place an arbitrary age limit on your law to enforce it, it probably shouldn't be a law
 
2013-05-24 06:29:46 PM

runescorpio: Thats still 2 years of her life for being in a relationship that started out as legal.


Look. Look. I know what you're saying here, and I generally agree with you, but the relationship was never "legal" to begin with. The girl was 14, and the other girl was 17. Florida only recognizes a two year age difference for consensual relationships before the age of majority, IIRC.
 
2013-05-24 06:31:04 PM
The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?
 
2013-05-24 06:31:20 PM

TomD9938: FTA : Hunt's family claims the now 15-year-old's parents turned Hunt in because they were angry about the same-sex relationship.

That's just what I'd expect those Hunts to say.


Which one is named Mike?
 
2013-05-24 06:31:25 PM
It looks like the parents of the younger girl waited until the older girl turned 18 so they could destroy her life.  They knew about and allowed the relationship before she turned 18.
 
2013-05-24 06:32:27 PM
There was another thread on this and I said in that thread that the law is the law, whether it's fair or not and guys in the same situation have frequently been more harshly convicted and sentenced for the same thing. And I was of course called an asshole. Which I am of course but I was called an asshole for not calling it a homophobia issue. This was before I called the situation totally hot but that's besides the point.
 
2013-05-24 06:32:29 PM

Master P but not that one: meh

I submitted this with a better headline

Women finally win the fight for equal rights.


Yeah, that's not better.
 
2013-05-24 06:32:46 PM
Her brother Mike is licked on the issue.
 
2013-05-24 06:33:31 PM

Mugato: And I was of course called an asshole. Which I am of course but I was called an asshole for not calling it a homophobia issue. This was before I called the situation totally hot but that's besides the point.


The issue is that by calling it a homophobia issue, the parents are able to tap into some deep issues going on in American Culture today.

It's actually a pretty good little tactic at the moment.
 
2013-05-24 06:33:57 PM
This is bullshiat since they waited until she was 18 to press charges.
However, I see no way this can work out in favor for the girl.
 
2013-05-24 06:34:27 PM

SweetDickens: One can almost see a thorough reaming coming her way.


I'm sure she'll be able to handle it, what with being a cunning linguist and all.
 
2013-05-24 06:34:37 PM
Until the stroke of midnight on your 18th birthday, you are a child and completely incapable of making any sexual decisions.

It's science.
 
2013-05-24 06:35:28 PM
Looks like she's going for the gay oppression angle and hoping her cuteness will keep the jury from convicting. If you don't like the law work to get it changed but she did break the law as it stands now and she unfortunately is going to do the time. If this was a 18 year old boy we wouldn't be having this discussion. 2 years house arrest and not having to register as a sex offender is a far king gift that most people in this sotuation don't get offered.

Welcome to equality. I'm not sure why she thinks she should get special treatment because the relationship was of the lesbian variety.

18 year old boys have always known 14 will get you 20.
 
2013-05-24 06:35:55 PM
They have lunch together. Box lunch?
 
2013-05-24 06:36:09 PM

tblax: Sorta surprised she rejected it. That deal wouldn't even be on the table for a male in her position. I was already having trouble sussing up sympathy for this girl but that really just does it for me

Has there been any sort of proof that the mother of the 14 year old is truly motivated by homophobia and not just the usual "I don't want my 14 year old having sex" attitude? All I've read is the mother of the 18 year old saying it's because she's a bigot.


In this case, it doesn't really matter. My understanding is that, at least in Florida (where this took place), statutory rape is a strict liability crime. There's no affirmative defense about "her parents just hate me" or "I thought she was eighteen" available - if you fark, you're farked. In Florida, the age of consent is 18, or 16 if with a person not older than 23. Fourteen is right out.
 
2013-05-24 06:36:44 PM
She should have taken the deal. All the prosecution has to do is prove there was sexual contact between the two. As long as the jury doesn't ignore the law, it shouldn't take long to convict.

CSB...

When I was 20 (1994), I lived in Idaho and had sex with a 17-year old I had met earlier that night at a party (turned out 18 was the legal age of consent). Holy shiat... her mom found out about the relationship and wanted the county to hang me out to dry. Luckily, the prosecuting attorney wasn't interested in completely ruining my life, so he offered me a deal. It was still a felony, but he'd recommend probation and I wouldn't have to register as a sex offender. I jumped at it. I ended up on probabtion for a little over a year (they let me off after I paid the fine). Several years afterwards, I petitioned for and was granted and order of dismissal. Whew.
 
2013-05-24 06:37:01 PM
Hmm, interesting to see which prevails here.
On one hand, girls/women are innocent nymphs afraid of sex.
On the other hand, gays are still seen as subhuman demons by a lot of people.
 
2013-05-24 06:38:21 PM
Ahem...

794.05Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-

(1)A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.
So...as long as they simply say they're not eating each other out, it's...perfectly legal.  They can tussle around in bed, make out, do everything...so long as they don't do any carpet munching (or, so long as they say they aren't doing any...).  That seems like a pretty easy way to win this, really...as lesbians, they are actually at a bit of an advantage in the situation.  Simply going on dates, kissing, making out, that sort of thing?  Not illegal.
 
2013-05-24 06:38:35 PM

A Shambling Mound: As with the one that put her in this position in the first place, she is going to regret that decision.

Plea deals for that sort of thing don't get any better. Now they're going to hang her out to dry.


You need to put the TV remote down there, CSI.

tblax: Sorta surprised she rejected it. That deal wouldn't even be on the table for a male in her position. I was already having trouble sussing up sympathy for this girl but that really just does it for me

Has there been any sort of proof that the mother of the 14 year old is truly motivated by homophobia and not just the usual "I don't want my 14 year old having sex" attitude? All I've read is the mother of the 18 year old saying it's because she's a bigot.


Good question. And the plea deal will involve sex offender lists and the felony conviction, so that earlier comment by someone else is out. This wreaks of homosympathy spin. And I fear if the perpetrator gets a pass it will open up a door for others to get off. Even if the parents are homophobic, that disability is secondary to the question did a rape occur. I submit with all the progress we have made we don't need to scrutinize victims because of how she dressed, flirted, etc because she is homosexual. This victim deserves equal protection under the law.
 
2013-05-24 06:38:54 PM

hardinparamedic: Xavier99: Hey - I am all about equality.  If it illegal for heterosexual couples to have a relationship with that age difference (where one side is a minor) why should it be any different for a same sex relationship?  (Gal should have taken the plea).

You know, I'm all in agreeance with you with one caveat. In many states, marriage of the two parties eliminates the possibility of a statutory rape charge.

/oh, this shall be interesting.


Are you legally able to marry at 14 without parental consent in those states? I'm guessing that the victims parents wouldn't allow that even if gay marriage were allowed in FL.
 
2013-05-24 06:39:05 PM

bulldg4life: I'm not so sure about the stance that "if it were a boy and a girl" there wouldn't be an issue. I mean, an 18yo "boy" would get tried as an adult and be sent to prison for 10-20 years.


The statement was that  there wouldn't be any media attention if it were a boy and a girl. She is right, there wouldn't be any Media attention as it's common for statutory rape cases such as this to be ignored by the media because they are fairly common and end up just as you said.

I think that a 2 year house arrest plea was probably the prosecutors office reacting to the media attention. I boy would probably be sent off to prison for a few years and be labeled as a sex offender for the rest of his life. Now this young lady will get the same treatment (I hope). Equality not only means that you have the same opportunities as men do but that you also face the same laws and their penalties as men do.
 
2013-05-24 06:39:06 PM
I didn't think the relationship started until AFTER Hunt was 18? Either way, in the first thread on this I predicted they'd go easy on her legally, and they did. Can't believe she didn't take the deal.
 
2013-05-24 06:40:00 PM

runescorpio: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

Thats still 2 years of her life for being in a relationship that started out as legal. Letter of the law people are the reason western society is crumbling around the edges. There is no leeway for circumstance. No mercy for petty issues.
Making someones way of life illegal simply because they had a birthday and the law says that makes them an adult to me screams ignorance and for the most part indicates a broken legal system.


Their relationship never started out as legal ever. She was 18, the other girl was 14. At no point in time was this ever legal.
 
2013-05-24 06:40:30 PM
I don't see any problem here.  The older female is 18.  The younger is 14.  If you're 18 or older in the U.S. sex with someone under 18 is a crime.  The law does not recognize any difference between homosexual and heterosexual contact.

It's true some states allow homosexuals to marry.  Most if not all states makes an exception for 18 year olds having sex with someone younger if the two are married.  Still in most, if not all states a 14 year old is too young to marry without the parents permission.

This sounds to me like yet another case of somebody crying over the possibility their little snowflake might end up in prison for committing a crime.
 
2013-05-24 06:41:29 PM

Master P but not that one: meh

I submitted this with a better headline

Women finally win the fight for equal rights.


Submitted links approved: none

word.
 
2013-05-24 06:41:48 PM
Hey at least she wasn't in Illinois, where we had it drummed into our heads in high school that two 17 year olds having sex were by definition raping each other, and both could go to jail for a very long time if the parents had problems with the relationship.

/have they changed that law since '93 when I moved out?
//In Indiana it was two years before I found someone who could tell me what the age of consent in that state was, everyone thought I was an idiot for asking. Spent two years carding every date I had just to make sure.
///had a mother literally offer me the choice between her 17 year old daughter and her 14 year old daughter, because she figured I was going to college and could support one of her children easily. Declined offer. WTF.
 
2013-05-24 06:42:01 PM

duffblue: If it goes to a jury she would look like an idiot taking the plea bargain. Generally the prosecution gives plea bargains to people they don't have enough evidence to convict them on.


Or they offer plea deals because they don't need the media attention and the hassles that come with it.
 
2013-05-24 06:42:23 PM

OregonVet: A Shambling Mound: As with the one that put her in this position in the first place, she is going to regret that decision.

Plea deals for that sort of thing don't get any better. Now they're going to hang her out to dry.

You need to put the TV remote down there, CSI.


Never seen the show but I hear it involves flashlights. Not sure how that's relevant.

It seemed like a very generous deal. I understand she would reject any deal if she believes she'll be better off going to trial but is it wrong to assume that if the trial does not go her way she is going to be genuinely f*cked?
 
2013-05-24 06:42:26 PM

Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?


No it didn't and no they didn't. Go reread the facts of this case please, then comment.
 
2013-05-24 06:42:59 PM
If  they're old enough, they're gonna if they want. Let 'em lick each other and butt out.
 
2013-05-24 06:43:25 PM
Ah yes, the awkward years when one of the couple reaches 18 and suddenly BECOMES A FELON if they continue acting like a couple.

Then the other one reaches 18 and all is well on Planet Boink again.
 
2013-05-24 06:43:26 PM

runescorpio: Thats still 2 years of her life for being in a relationship that started out as legal.


No.
It was never legal.
It started when she was 18 and the other girl was 14.
Even if she were 17 , it is not legal, but it would give her a way to get off the sex offender list.
 
2013-05-24 06:44:51 PM
CSB :

A friend of mine got sent to prison for 9 farking years for something similar to this. The girl's parents were well known in the community and the DA wanted to make an example out of him. Dude must've had a really shiatty ass lawyer.
 
2013-05-24 06:44:59 PM

runescorpio: Thats still 2 years of her life for being in a relationship that started out as legal.


Florida age of consent is 16 so no, it was not ever legal.
 
2013-05-24 06:46:10 PM
I think we're losing sight of the fact that her name is K.Hunt.
 
2013-05-24 06:46:14 PM
I'll wait for the TV movie.
 
2013-05-24 06:46:28 PM
This girl keeps up the nonsense and she will find herself boxed in. In more ways than one
 
2013-05-24 06:46:33 PM

Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?


This
 
2013-05-24 06:46:49 PM

A Shambling Mound: It seemed like a very generous deal. I understand she would reject any deal if she believes she'll be better off going to trial but is it wrong to assume that if the trial does not go her way she is going to be genuinely f*cked?


I'm guessing they gave her such a generous deal because they didn't want to go to trial in the first place. Especially with what is going on right now with homosexual rights and how much of a hot topic it is in the national news.
 
2013-05-24 06:47:23 PM

runescorpio: Thats still 2 years of her life for being in a relationship that started out as legal.


17 year old on a 14 year old is still illegal.
 
2013-05-24 06:47:35 PM
This is stupid.  A 14 year old is being treated like property.  Here's a hint:  we're all descended from people who started families earlier than that.  Property.
 
2013-05-24 06:47:36 PM

alienated: This


Actually, not that. The relationship was never legal according to Florida State law to begin with.

No delicious loli for you. Not yours.
 
2013-05-24 06:48:01 PM

Radioactive Ass: runescorpio: Thats still 2 years of her life for being in a relationship that started out as legal.

Florida age of consent is 16 so no, it was not ever legal.


This, if it were my 14 year old daughter I wouldn't care if it were an 18 year old boy or girl. I don't know if I would press charges (it would depend on a number of variables) but the sex of the other individual wouldn't be a factor.
 
2013-05-24 06:48:41 PM

Dracolich: This is stupid.  A 14 year old is being treated like property.  Here's a hint:  we're all descended from people who started families earlier than that.  Property.


Yes, because people DIED at 19 and 20 on a regular basis, and five out of their fifteen kids died as well, the 16th of which probably killed the young girl at 19 or 20.

Please don't argue the appeal to antiquity angle here.
 
2013-05-24 06:50:38 PM
Let me clarify a few things:

This girl was 18 when she started dating the younger girl. The relationship started in November. Hunt turned 18 in August. The victim was 14 the entire time.

The Hunts have purposely spread misinformation regarding the circumstances in order to gain public sympathy and make it appear to the less informed that the situation was ridiculous. The statements they have made regarding the length of the relationship were false, the statements regarding age were false. They manipulated the public to create outcry where there should be none.

The girls started dating in November, and the victims parents were unaware. There was a sexual encounter where Hunt inserted her finger in the victim's vagina in a school bathroom in December, then a similar incident in January. Hunt helped the 14 year old girl run away overnight in January, at this point with full knowledge that the girls parents were not having it. She then had much more, ahem, comprehensive sex with the victim. The parents tried to stop the relationship, but when they found out, through nasty rumours at the school, and the 14 year old upset that she was being leered at by boys and treated like meat by the male students, they called the police. Hunt was arrested by mid February. The victim is a "cooperative complaining witness" and the sheriff and state attorney have made clear that the victim wants the prosecution to move forward, as well as the parents.

She was not expelled from school, which is another misleading statement made by the Hunts. She was moved to the alternative school and will be allowed to walk with her class. Male students in the same situation have been expelled, and students where age was not an issue who've had sex on campus have been expelled as well.

My best friend lives next door to the victim. The girl was well adjusted and fine until this. Now she is in therapy, depressed, acting out, etc.

The law is very clear, she violated it, in more ways than one, and any reasonable person with normal intellectual capabilities would have known that it was wrong. She is lucky she wasn't expelled and that there have been no charges for the interference with the custody of a minor with the runaway issue.

This chick gets no sympathy from me. She effed up, and the play has been to lie to the public to make herself look better.

Oh, and the parents of the victim being motivated by homophobia? That has only come from the Hunts, and they have not exactly proven themselves to be harbingers of truth. And according to people in the know, it has nothing to do with homophobia, it has to do with what their daughter is now going through, and the fact that an 18 year old girl used her for sex and then told the entire school about it.
 
2013-05-24 06:51:02 PM

hardinparamedic: alienated: This

Actually, not that. The relationship was never legal according to Florida State law to begin with.

No delicious loli for you. Not yours.


Look, lets place this differently- forget the age of consent issue. What whould we do to a 13 yr old and a 14 yr old ? Do you think that there would have been any charges ? If both parties are minors, exactly what is the crime ?
 
2013-05-24 06:51:09 PM

Radioactive Ass: bulldg4life: I'm not so sure about the stance that "if it were a boy and a girl" there wouldn't be an issue. I mean, an 18yo "boy" would get tried as an adult and be sent to prison for 10-20 years.

The statement was that  there wouldn't be any media attention if it were a boy and a girl. She is right, there wouldn't be any Media attention as it's common for statutory rape cases such as this to be ignored by the media because they are fairly common and end up just as you said.

I think that a 2 year house arrest plea was probably the prosecutors office reacting to the media attention. I boy would probably be sent off to prison for a few years and be labeled as a sex offender for the rest of his life. Now this young lady will get the same treatment (I hope). Equality not only means that you have the same opportunities as men do but that you also face the same laws and their penalties as men do.


Yep, if that were my 18 year old son or daughter and they got that offer I would be pushing them to sign on the dotted line ASAP.
 
2013-05-24 06:51:36 PM
If it's illegal for straights, no reason why it shouldn't be for lesbians. The law is the law. I have no problem with two consenting ADULTS wanting to be together, but when you try to be above the law, that's where I draw the line.
 
2013-05-24 06:52:10 PM

hardinparamedic: Dracolich: This is stupid.  A 14 year old is being treated like property.  Here's a hint:  we're all descended from people who started families earlier than that.  Property.

Yes, because people DIED at 19 and 20 on a regular basis, and five out of their fifteen kids died as well, the 16th of which probably killed the young girl at 19 or 20.

Please don't argue the appeal to antiquity angle here.


I'm making the point that adulthood is arbitrary and that we're treating people like property when they clearly are viable adults in other environments.
 
2013-05-24 06:52:53 PM
So, new episode of Law and Order: SVU?
 
2013-05-24 06:53:01 PM

alienated: What whould we do to a 13 yr old and a 14 yr old ? Do you think that there would have been any charges ? If both parties are minors, exactly what is the crime ?


We'd look at the parents of the 13 year old and wonder what they've done/allowed to be done to the kid to make them act out sexually.

Seriously. Sexual behavior, other than masturbation, in someone 10 to 13 years old is typically a pretty big indicator that kid has had something pretty bad happen to them.
 
2013-05-24 06:53:26 PM

redslippers: There was a sexual encounter where Hunt inserted her


sure. bad ancedotal evidence is bad.
 
2013-05-24 06:53:43 PM

A Shambling Mound: I understand she would reject any deal if she believes she'll be better off going to trial but is it wrong to assume that if the trial does not go her way she is going to be genuinely f*cked?


That's hard to say. Regardless of the facts- the media and issue of sexuality then add Floriduh will make some sort of side show out of it. Bad lawyer. Bad.

*cheers*
 
2013-05-24 06:53:48 PM

studebaker hoch: Ah yes, the awkward years when one of the couple reaches 18 and suddenly BECOMES A FELON if they continue acting like a couple.

Then the other one reaches 18 and all is well on Planet Boink again.


Not so much in this case. The 14 year old is 2 years younger than age of consent. Given the fact that the 14 year old's parents contacted the 18 year old and her parents and asked that the 18 year stay away from their 14 year old -- and then the 18 year old helped the 14 year old to run away -- well, that ratchets everything up. 14 year olds should not be in sexual relationships -- even with other 14 years olds. And their "lovers" sure as hell should not be taking them out their home.
 
2013-05-24 06:55:47 PM

jst3p: This, if it were my 14 year old daughter I wouldn't care if it were an 18 year old boy or girl. I don't know if I would press charges (it would depend on a number of variables) but the sex of the other individual wouldn't be a factor.


So, you're saying there IS a chance?
 
2013-05-24 06:56:01 PM

Dracolich: hardinparamedic: Dracolich: This is stupid.  A 14 year old is being treated like property.  Here's a hint:  we're all descended from people who started families earlier than that.  Property.

Yes, because people DIED at 19 and 20 on a regular basis, and five out of their fifteen kids died as well, the 16th of which probably killed the young girl at 19 or 20.

Please don't argue the appeal to antiquity angle here.

I'm making the point that adulthood is arbitrary and that we're treating people like property when they clearly are viable adults in other environments.


And in those environments they are treated differently. If you think 14 year olds in our society are ready to be treated like adults then you must not be in regular contact with many 14 year olds.
 
2013-05-24 06:56:27 PM
do i gotta do everything?

ts2.explicit.bing.net
 
2013-05-24 06:56:51 PM

IamAwake: Ahem...

794.05Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-

(1)A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.So...as long as they simply say they're not eating each other out, it's...perfectly legal.  They can tussle around in bed, make out, do everything...so long as they don't do any carpet munching (or, so long as they say they aren't doing any...).  That seems like a pretty easy way to win this, really...as lesbians, they are actually at a bit of an advantage in the situation.  Simply going on dates, kissing, making out, that sort of thing?  Not illegal.


Uhm, NO. It is covered by Florida statute 800.04 paragraph (5) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS MOLESTATION.-
(a) A person who intentionally touches in a lewd or lascivious manner the breasts, genitals, genital area, or buttocks, or the clothing covering them, of a person less than 16 years of age, or forces or entices a person under 16 years of age to so touch the perpetrator, commits lewd or lascivious molestation.

and

 2. An offender 18 years of age or older who commits lewd or lascivious molestation against a victim 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of agecommits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
 
2013-05-24 06:57:03 PM
blondethumb.com
 
2013-05-24 06:57:38 PM

lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.


I at least two cases in the last decade or so in the area where I live with 17-year-old boys and 15-year-old girls. Both boys got 10 years after they were convicted. Since it doesn't seem she denies anything happened, I'd say that's a very good deal.
 
2013-05-24 06:58:53 PM

OregonVet: jst3p: This, if it were my 14 year old daughter I wouldn't care if it were an 18 year old boy or girl. I don't know if I would press charges (it would depend on a number of variables) but the sex of the other individual wouldn't be a factor.

So, you're saying there IS a chance?


I would say it would be probable, but I could imagine some scenario's where I wouldn't call the cops. I will note that I would make it clear that I don't condone that activity and while I know I can't stop them I better not hear about it again. And my 14 year old daughter is likely going to be on birth control and know about safe sex.
 
2013-05-24 06:58:54 PM

hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.


She would have been pleading guilty to felony child abuse, in exchange for the two years house arrest...
 
2013-05-24 06:59:10 PM
www.mentalfloss.com

Calm down.  Romeo and Juiet will be invoked.  Older Lesbian Lawyer has da smarts.
And soon da cash

/pic of lawyer's brother, frozen caveman lawyer
 
2013-05-24 06:59:22 PM

alienated: redslippers: There was a sexual encounter where Hunt inserted her

sure. bad ancedotal evidence is bad.


Not bad anecdotal evidence. That is straight from the arrest affidavit, and is Ms. Hunt's version of events as well as the victim.
 
2013-05-24 07:00:34 PM

redslippers: Let me clarify a few things:

This girl was 18 when she started dating the younger girl. The relationship started in November. Hunt turned 18 in August. The victim was 14 the entire time.

The Hunts have purposely spread misinformation regarding the circumstances in order to gain public sympathy and make it appear to the less informed that the situation was ridiculous. The statements they have made regarding the length of the relationship were false, the statements regarding age were false. They manipulated the public to create outcry where there should be none.

The girls started dating in November, and the victims parents were unaware. There was a sexual encounter where Hunt inserted her finger in the victim's vagina in a school bathroom in December, then a similar incident in January. Hunt helped the 14 year old girl run away overnight in January, at this point with full knowledge that the girls parents were not having it. She then had much more, ahem, comprehensive sex with the victim. The parents tried to stop the relationship, but when they found out, through nasty rumours at the school, and the 14 year old upset that she was being leered at by boys and treated like meat by the male students, they called the police. Hunt was arrested by mid February. The victim is a "cooperative complaining witness" and the sheriff and state attorney have made clear that the victim wants the prosecution to move forward, as well as the parents.

She was not expelled from school, which is another misleading statement made by the Hunts. She was moved to the alternative school and will be allowed to walk with her class. Male students in the same situation have been expelled, and students where age was not an issue who've had sex on campus have been expelled as well.

My best friend lives next door to the victim. The girl was well adjusted and fine until this. Now she is in therapy, depressed, acting out, etc.

The law is very clear, she violated it, in more ways than one, and any ...


This. There were several articles clarifying it recently, because the Hunts had been saying that their daughter was 17 when it started, and according to the police report, she was not -- she was 18 when school started and she met and began the relationship with the 14 year old. There was NEVER a moment in the relationship when it was legal, and if Hunt had been a man, she'd be looking at a hell of a lot worse than that plea deal. It could be that the 14 year old's parents were motivated by homophobia, but since we only have Hunt's parents' words for that, and they've been lying about the girls' ages, I'm not exactly taking that on trust. They're doing a great job spinning it from "Our daughter committed something which is a crime no matter what gender you are" to "Our daughter is being victimized solely because she's a lesbian." `

Here's the thing -- I think the laws on underage sex are overly strict and that having this girl registered as a sex offender would be pointless. However, trying to paint this as a case of "She's being persecuted for being a lesbian" is crazy. A man in her position would get no publicity, no sweet plea deal, and have his life wrecked in no time flat.
 
2013-05-24 07:01:07 PM

alienated: Look, lets place this differently- forget the age of consent issue. What whould we do to a 13 yr old and a 14 yr old ? Do you think that there would have been any charges ? If both parties are minors, exactly what is the crime ?


If both are 2-3 years or less under the age of consent then it's treated differently because technically both of the kids are victims. Rape-rape would be treated as such regardless of the ages involved of course although it would at least start in the family court where the situation would be looked at and a determination made by the judge on where to proceed from there.
 
2013-05-24 07:01:52 PM

hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.


14-17 legal then vs 15-18 not now.  What a difference a year makes (in the eyes of the law)

Word is the parent of the "victim" waited to file charges as soon as the accused was 18.
 
2013-05-24 07:02:22 PM

duffblue: If it goes to a jury she would look like an idiot taking the plea bargain. Generally the prosecution gives plea bargains to people they don't have enough evidence to convict them on.


Nearly every single case I've ever heard of has a plea deal offered prior to a trial.  I've been a witness in murder trials where they've offered plea deals.  It may, from time to time, be a case of "take this, we're not sure we have enough to convict," but even slam dunk cases, 100% open and shut, are offered plea deals.
 
2013-05-24 07:02:39 PM
Rules are Rules you knucklehead
 
2013-05-24 07:03:13 PM
 Takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

John Cameron Swayze
1906- 1995
RIP
 
2013-05-24 07:03:44 PM

jst3p: I would say it would be probable, but I could imagine some scenario's where I wouldn't call the cops


Well, I'm clean, I like to take long walks on the beach, I work out, I wear a tie sometimes. Uhhhh. I like the beach?
 
2013-05-24 07:03:47 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: duffblue: If it goes to a jury she would look like an idiot taking the plea bargain. Generally the prosecution gives plea bargains to people they don't have enough evidence to convict them on.

Nearly every single case I've ever heard of has a plea deal offered prior to a trial.  I've been a witness in murder trials where they've offered plea deals.  It may, from time to time, be a case of "take this, we're not sure we have enough to convict," but even slam dunk cases, 100% open and shut, are offered plea deals.


Plea deals are standard procedure. They have nothing to do with evidence, they have everything to do with sparing the victims further pain and with avoiding the costs of trial.
 
2013-05-24 07:04:12 PM

TyrantII: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

14-17 legal then vs 15-18 not now.  What a difference a year makes (in the eyes of the law)

Word is the parent of the "victim" waited to file charges as soon as the accused was 18.


"Word" is wrong. If you read the affidavit, the girls weren't even involved when the accused turned 18. She was 18 1/2 when arrested.
 
2013-05-24 07:04:17 PM

jst3p: Dracolich: hardinparamedic: Dracolich: This is stupid.  A 14 year old is being treated like property.  Here's a hint:  we're all descended from people who started families earlier than that.  Property.

Yes, because people DIED at 19 and 20 on a regular basis, and five out of their fifteen kids died as well, the 16th of which probably killed the young girl at 19 or 20.

Please don't argue the appeal to antiquity angle here.

I'm making the point that adulthood is arbitrary and that we're treating people like property when they clearly are viable adults in other environments.

And in those environments they are treated differently. If you think 14 year olds in our society are ready to be treated like adults then you must not be in regular contact with many 14 year olds.


Which is not what I'm saying either.

There are two transitions to know:

The transition to adult viability - This person should no longer be considered property.  This person should be tried as an adult.
The transition to environmental viability - This person is ready to exist on their own in the current environment.  This person should qualify for all adulthood rights and responsibilities.

Age has very little to do with it.  There's a wide variance with plentiful outliers.  It's a bad basis for governing.
 
2013-05-24 07:04:57 PM
Not sure I see what the big deal here is. To get to my point, I've never seen lesbionic "sex" as really being sex to begin with. Sure, they can vibrate each other and whatnot but, well, it seems pretty innocent. And if there were no "force"issues (I mean, it's not like the older one was 45 and tricking the younger one into something), what's the big deal? And if you're 18 and still in high school you should NOT be treated as an "adult". In other words, it was okay for them to diddle when the older chick was 17-1/2 but when her birthday came all of a sudden things magically changed?! Yeah, yeah, "the law is the law". Well, then, change it (at least when it comes to this sort of situation).
 
2013-05-24 07:06:10 PM

Dracolich: Age has very little to do with it. There's a wide variance with plentiful outliers. It's a bad basis for governing.


It is an imperfect system, but it is clear and easy to not find yourself violating the law. Do you have a better system in mind?
 
2013-05-24 07:06:15 PM

TyrantII: Word is the parent of the "victim" waited to file charges as soon as the accused was 18.


Science is time progresses at an invariable rate and paperwork lags.
 
2013-05-24 07:07:14 PM

TyrantII: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

14-17 legal then vs 15-18 not now.  What a difference a year makes (in the eyes of the law)

Word is the parent of the "victim" waited to file charges as soon as the accused was 18.


Jesus christ. READ THE FARKING THREAD. She was NEVER 17. She was always 18. And the charges were filed AFTER she tried to get the 14 year old to run away.
 
2013-05-24 07:07:20 PM

hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.


Personally, I don't care of they were gay or not.  Unless the DA can prove without a doubt that the younger party was coerced or in some way manipulated into the relationship, these two kids should get a stern ass kicking from their parents, and grounded for a while.

This "0 tolerance", black and white interpretation of teen relationships has done more damage to the effectiveness and legitimacy of sex offender laws than anything else.
 
2013-05-24 07:07:42 PM

MelGoesOnTour: Not sure I see what the big deal here is. To get to my point, I've never seen lesbionic "sex" as really being sex to begin with. Sure, they can vibrate each other and whatnot but, well, it seems pretty innocent. And if there were no "force"issues (I mean, it's not like the older one was 45 and tricking the younger one into something), what's the big deal? And if you're 18 and still in high school you should NOT be treated as an "adult". In other words, it was okay for them to diddle when the older chick was 17-1/2 but when her birthday came all of a sudden things magically changed?! Yeah, yeah, "the law is the law". Well, then, change it (at least when it comes to this sort of situation).


No, read the damn thread. 17 year old having sex with a 14 year old isn't legal either (in Fla.)
 
2013-05-24 07:07:42 PM

alienated: hardinparamedic: alienated: This

Actually, not that. The relationship was never legal according to Florida State law to begin with.

No delicious loli for you. Not yours.

Look, lets place this differently- forget the age of consent issue. What whould we do to a 13 yr old and a 14 yr old ? Do you think that there would have been any charges ? If both parties are minors, exactly what is the crime ?



Iirc fom a case I read about several years back technically under FL law two 15 and unders who have sex have both raped each other.  Even if usually it's only the boy who gets charged.
 
2013-05-24 07:07:49 PM

RenownedCurator: redslippers: Let me clarify a few things:

This girl was 18 when she started dating the younger girl. The relationship started in November. Hunt turned 18 in August. The victim was 14 the entire time.

The Hunts have purposely spread misinformation regarding the circumstances in order to gain public sympathy and make it appear to the less informed that the situation was ridiculous. The statements they have made regarding the length of the relationship were false, the statements regarding age were false. They manipulated the public to create outcry where there should be none.

The girls started dating in November, and the victims parents were unaware. There was a sexual encounter where Hunt inserted her finger in the victim's vagina in a school bathroom in December, then a similar incident in January. Hunt helped the 14 year old girl run away overnight in January, at this point with full knowledge that the girls parents were not having it. She then had much more, ahem, comprehensive sex with the victim. The parents tried to stop the relationship, but when they found out, through nasty rumours at the school, and the 14 year old upset that she was being leered at by boys and treated like meat by the male students, they called the police. Hunt was arrested by mid February. The victim is a "cooperative complaining witness" and the sheriff and state attorney have made clear that the victim wants the prosecution to move forward, as well as the parents.

She was not expelled from school, which is another misleading statement made by the Hunts. She was moved to the alternative school and will be allowed to walk with her class. Male students in the same situation have been expelled, and students where age was not an issue who've had sex on campus have been expelled as well.

My best friend lives next door to the victim. The girl was well adjusted and fine until this. Now she is in therapy, depressed, acting out, etc.

The law is very clear, she violated it, in more ways than ...


I wish I had read your post earlier. I'm retracting my most recent one.  The point I previously made wold work if the gals were together for a longer period of time---but given the facts, that's not the case in this situation.
 
2013-05-24 07:08:34 PM
I'd have no problem with parents playing the "This state has shiatty consent gap laws", which is where even if 16 is the age of consent, that say 15 on 17 isn't stat rape due to the nearness in age.  Of course that doesn't appear to apply in this case since it started out 18 on 14.  At that point, the older girl was a dummy and should have just kept her tongue out of the other girl's pants.  Wait a few more months for college and have all the sex you want.

I find myself in an odd position.  I dislike the whole scarlet letter sex offender thing, but I also dislike how Hunt and her family are trying to play "It's only because I'm a lesbian."  That's bullshiat, if it was an 18 year old guy he'd have the book thrown at him and the really extreme folk would be calling for chemical castration or something else.

At the end of the day, any set of teenagers needs to grasp that when one person is checking out of highschool and the other person is just checking in, it is a bad idea.  Go download some porn or something.
 
2013-05-24 07:09:08 PM
I just don't see how if the girl was 17 and dating for a year it's ok, but as soon as she turns 18 it magically becomes morally wrong.  I know the law and all, but it still doesn't make sense.
 
2013-05-24 07:10:59 PM

baufan2005: I just don't see how if the girl was 17 and dating for a year it's ok, but as soon as she turns 18 it magically becomes morally wrong.  I know the law and all, but it still doesn't make sense.


I just don't see how someone can join a discussion but not be bothered to read the posts up to that point. I know laziness and all but it would prevent some from looking foolish.
 
2013-05-24 07:11:23 PM

RenownedCurator: TyrantII: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

14-17 legal then vs 15-18 not now.  What a difference a year makes (in the eyes of the law)

Word is the parent of the "victim" waited to file charges as soon as the accused was 18.

"Word" is wrong. If you read the affidavit, the girls weren't even involved when the accused turned 18. She was 18 1/2 when arrested.


It's amazing to me that, and not just in this case, people will form an opinion based on early information. Then when that information is later proven to be inaccurate, they not only refuse to reconsider their opinion but refuse to accept the new information.

Actually, it amazes many that anyone accepts that the early information on any crime or natural disaster or accident is accurate, especially when one side is trying to spin it. By now everyone should know that the early accounts will almost inevitably prove to be inaccurate of not flat out wrong.
 
2013-05-24 07:11:45 PM

Xavier99: duffblue: If it goes to a jury she would look like an idiot taking the plea bargain. Generally the prosecution gives plea bargains to people they don't have enough evidence to convict them on.

I take it you are in the area and are looking forward to drooling over any "evidence" during the trial (if called to be a juror)?

duffblue: "Your honor, I am not sure if she is guilty or not yet - do you have any shots from a different angle?"

Or better yet - is this a state where the jury can ask questions of the defendent? boy that could get fun.


I was the 14 year old once. I can see how this happens. She broke the law, but this just screams bigot parents to me
 
2013-05-24 07:11:53 PM

baufan2005: I just don't see how if the girl was 17 and dating for a year it's ok, but as soon as she turns 18 it magically becomes morally wrong.  I know the law and all, but it still doesn't make sense.


It doesn't make any sense because that's not what happened. Not at all.
 
2013-05-24 07:11:57 PM
Sounds like she was called on the carpet for this one. That being said, I've got a munch she'll make the rug decision.
 
2013-05-24 07:12:17 PM

TyrantII: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

14-17 legal then vs 15-18 not now.  What a difference a year makes (in the eyes of the law)

Word is the parent of the "victim" waited to file charges as soon as the accused was 18.


I don't believe 14-17 is ever legal in FL
 
2013-05-24 07:12:21 PM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit-R e dacted

To help those who can't seem to grasp the fact this girl was  NEVER 17 WHEN THE RELATIONSHIP STARTED.
 
2013-05-24 07:13:19 PM

redslippers: There was a sexual encounter where Hunt inserted her finger in the victim's vagina in a school bathroom


Hunt must be Dutch, you know with the finger in the dyke and all...
 
2013-05-24 07:14:00 PM
This relationship started when  Kaitlyn was 17 and the other girl was 14.   The prosecutor keeps referring to an 18/14 relationship, being a disingenuous douchebag.  But the ages aren't even relevant.

Kaitlyn is charged with child abuse, not statutory rape.  You don't have to be over 18 to commit child abuse; any "person" can be charged.  Florida law says child abuse involves physical or mental injury.  Physical injury doesn't seem to have occurred here; "mental injury" may be hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt:

"Mental injury" means injury to the intellectual or psychological capacity of a child as evidenced by a discernible and substantial impairment in the ability of the child to function within the normal range of performance and behavior as supported by expert testimony.

I think her chances at trial are good, if she can get an impartial  jury.  As for the reputational stigma, I don't believe there will be one among any people worth considering.  On the contrary, she'll be admired for her gumption and principles.
 
2013-05-24 07:14:11 PM

baufan2005: I just don't see how if the girl was 17 and dating for a year it's ok, but as soon as she turns 18 it magically becomes morally wrong.  I know the law and all, but it still doesn't make sense.


The fabric of society is very complex, George.
 
2013-05-24 07:14:33 PM
But did she actually have sex with the girl after she turned 18?
 
2013-05-24 07:14:52 PM

MelGoesOnTour: Not sure I see what the big deal here is. To get to my point, I've never seen lesbionic "sex" as really being sex to begin with. Sure, they can vibrate each other and whatnot but, well, it seems pretty innocent. And if there were no "force"issues (I mean, it's not like the older one was 45 and tricking the younger one into something), what's the big deal? And if you're 18 and still in high school you should NOT be treated as an "adult". In other words, it was okay for them to diddle when the older chick was 17-1/2 but when her birthday came all of a sudden things magically changed?! Yeah, yeah, "the law is the law". Well, then, change it (at least when it comes to this sort of situation).


Imagine what the 14 year old is going through at school right now. Imagine how she will be treated for the remainder of high school, by boys and girls alike. Think about how she will have to move to another school district to escape that. And the 18 year old was 18 at the inception of the "relationship".

The law doesn't need to be changed, as there is a major difference in development from 14 to 18. An 18 year old is light years ahead of a 14 year old. I know, I have a 14 year old, and raised my sister from age 12 to 19. If this was my daughter, I'd prosecute as well. It is just not excusable.

And I am from Indian River County. I personally KNOW Brian Workman, the state attorney on this. He'd have filed a No Information in a heartbeat if this situation was truly "harmless", regardless of the parent's demands. My husband practiced law there for years before we moved, and many of my friends are criminal defense attorneys there. I know the judges in town as well; it is a small community, and I am curious to see which one pulls this case.

The general consensus in the legal community is that the girl will quite deservedly get jail time if she doesn't take the plea. And I don't doubt it, as all the judges currently on criminal rotation are not the kind to find the Hunt's misinformation campaign and media shiatstorm charming. They will likely be harder on the girl to make well known that they won't be bullied by poorly executed PR campaigns and mock outrage.
 
2013-05-24 07:15:35 PM

redslippers: There was a sexual encounter where Hunt inserted her finger in the victim's vagina in a school bathroom


3.bp.blogspot.com

"Ain't nothing wrong with that, I once had a similar experience."
 
2013-05-24 07:15:53 PM

jst3p: baufan2005: I just don't see how if the girl was 17 and dating for a year it's ok, but as soon as she turns 18 it magically becomes morally wrong.  I know the law and all, but it still doesn't make sense.

I just don't see how someone can join a discussion but not be bothered to read the posts up to that point. I know laziness and all but it would prevent some from looking foolish.


READ TEH THREAD? NO WAI!

OMFG U R A HOMOPHONE! 1!!!!

/there are morality police on both sides of the aisle
 
2013-05-24 07:16:02 PM

UsikFark: Master P but not that one: meh

I submitted this with a better headline

Women finally win the fight for equal rights.

Submitted links approved: none

word.


LOL my ass off.

/subby
 
2013-05-24 07:16:12 PM

Stoker: But did she actually have sex with the girl after she turned 18?


Why would that matter?


/read the thread and you might learn why it doesn't.
 
2013-05-24 07:17:42 PM

jst3p: baufan2005: I just don't see how if the girl was 17 and dating for a year it's ok, but as soon as she turns 18 it magically becomes morally wrong.  I know the law and all, but it still doesn't make sense.

I just don't see how someone can join a discussion but not be bothered to read the posts up to that point. I know laziness and all but it would prevent some from looking foolish.


Get off of it, clown.  Maybe the guy (like me) sifted through most of the bullshiat and only later learned more details.

How's your basement bedroom holding up these days, by the way?
 
2013-05-24 07:17:50 PM
i48.photobucket.com

Burning's too good for him her! SHe should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!
 
2013-05-24 07:18:14 PM

BarkingUnicorn: This relationship started when  Kaitlyn was 17 and the other girl was 14.   The prosecutor keeps referring to an 18/14 relationship, being a disingenuous douchebag.  But the ages aren't even relevant.

Kaitlyn is charged with child abuse, not statutory rape.  You don't have to be over 18 to commit child abuse; any "person" can be charged.  Florida law says child abuse involves physical or mental injury.  Physical injury doesn't seem to have occurred here; "mental injury" may be hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt:

"Mental injury" means injury to the intellectual or psychological capacity of a child as evidenced by a discernible and substantial impairment in the ability of the child to function within the normal range of performance and behavior as supported by expert testimony.

I think her chances at trial are good, if she can get an impartial  jury.  As for the reputational stigma, I don't believe there will be one among any people worth considering.  On the contrary, she'll be admired for her gumption and principles.


Read the thread, and in specific, my posts. You are incorrect on age, you are incorrect on the charges, you have a very misinformed viewpoint. This chica is going to jail. She openly admitted to police, after being Mirandized, to having multiple sexual encounters with a 14 year old, which in Florida is ALWAYS illegal.
 
2013-05-24 07:19:14 PM
Is Kaitlyn Hunt's father named Mike?
 
2013-05-24 07:19:17 PM

MelGoesOnTour: jst3p: baufan2005: I just don't see how if the girl was 17 and dating for a year it's ok, but as soon as she turns 18 it magically becomes morally wrong.  I know the law and all, but it still doesn't make sense.

I just don't see how someone can join a discussion but not be bothered to read the posts up to that point. I know laziness and all but it would prevent some from looking foolish.

Get off of it, clown.  Maybe the guy (like me) sifted through most of the bullshiat and only later learned more details.

How's your basement bedroom holding up these days, by the way?


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-24 07:19:55 PM
Just wanna drop in and remind everyone that "the law is the law" and similar statements are what we in the business like to call a "thought-terminating cliché"
 
2013-05-24 07:20:32 PM

Jument: On the other hand, how would you earn money?


Yeah, I have absolutely no idea how one would earn money. With a home computer. And a camera. And, uh, BRB.
 
2013-05-24 07:20:55 PM
www.wusa9.com

Words to groom by.
 
2013-05-24 07:21:21 PM

redslippers: The law doesn't need to be changed, as there is a major difference in development from 14 to 18. An 18 year old is light years ahead of a 14 year old. I know, I have a 14 year old, and raised my sister from age 12 to 19. If this was my daughter, I'd prosecute as well. It is just not excusable.


I don't necessarily think that is true.  My first two years of high school were spent at a high school with a total of ~500 students.  So everyone intermixed and it was one big peer group, not a big deal if you dated outside of your grade.  Then my parents moved to district were I had 663 kids in my graduating class.  There it was considered unaccepted to date more than one grade above or below your class, since the freshmen were these aliens who were housed in an entirely different wing.  At lot of the differences really are going to be based on the environment you're raising the kids in.
 
2013-05-24 07:22:32 PM
BTW, in every pic of this chick on the Googles,  she has those same guilty eyes.
 
2013-05-24 07:22:37 PM
I would also like to add that things may have changed but it was kind of socially frowned upon for seniors to date freshmen. Worlds of difference between the two normally.
 
2013-05-24 07:23:37 PM

hardinparamedic: alienated: What whould we do to a 13 yr old and a 14 yr old ? Do you think that there would have been any charges ? If both parties are minors, exactly what is the crime ?

We'd look at the parents of the 13 year old and wonder what they've done/allowed to be done to the kid to make them act out sexually.

Seriously. Sexual behavior, other than masturbation, in someone 10 to 13 years old is typically a pretty big indicator that kid has had something pretty bad happen to them.


Wtf? I dont know about that one. I was 11 when I got my first bj. Due to a game of truth or dare.
had my first girlfriend. If you can call it that from 9 till 11.
we werent really sexual aside from make out sessions.

Yep about the age of 11 was when the first group of kids I saw started being sexual with eachother. It was a smallish town.
moved to toronto. And suddenly everyone is back at the ew gross cooties stage.

anyways nothing terrible ever happend to me. most of the guys came from single mothers.
I think your theory is flawed
 
2013-05-24 07:23:37 PM

ha-ha-guy: redslippers: The law doesn't need to be changed, as there is a major difference in development from 14 to 18. An 18 year old is light years ahead of a 14 year old. I know, I have a 14 year old, and raised my sister from age 12 to 19. If this was my daughter, I'd prosecute as well. It is just not excusable.

I don't necessarily think that is true.  My first two years of high school were spent at a high school with a total of ~500 students.  So everyone intermixed and it was one big peer group, not a big deal if you dated outside of your grade.  Then my parents moved to district were I had 663 kids in my graduating class.  There it was considered unaccepted to date more than one grade above or below your class, since the freshmen were these aliens who were housed in an entirely different wing.  At lot of the differences really are going to be based on the environment you're raising the kids in.


It's true just as often as it isn't, and the idea here is to protect the vulnerable. I think it better to safeguard a few who may not need it than to leave exposed those who do.
 
2013-05-24 07:25:07 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Wtf? I dont know about that one. I was 11 when I got my first bj. Due to a game of truth or dare.


Did it taste as bad as you thought it would?

/I kid
//but you should recognize that you are an outlier.
 
2013-05-24 07:25:09 PM
My son's senior year of high school was to be no fun for him.  two days before school started, he turned 18.  Took him aside and pointed at all his female friends and reminded him, "Them thar are forbidden fruit.  Piss the wrong parent off or something similar, your life is over. Happy Birthday."

He started dating a college girlie and came home and said "college girls, do you even remember what they can do?"  (with the biggest shiat eat'n grin)

/I nearly shed a tear over being so proud....then i started crying cause I couldn't remember.....
 
2013-05-24 07:26:30 PM

toetag: /I nearly shed a tear over being so proud....then i started crying cause I couldn't remember.....


I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
 
2013-05-24 07:27:14 PM

RenownedCurator: TyrantII: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

14-17 legal then vs 15-18 not now.  What a difference a year makes (in the eyes of the law)

Word is the parent of the "victim" waited to file charges as soon as the accused was 18.

"Word" is wrong. If you read the affidavit, the girls weren't even involved when the accused turned 18. She was 18 1/2 when arrested.


Looks like I have to retract my earlier statement about the parents purposely wating for her to turn 18.  Damn it.  This means I have to admit I was wrong ... ON FARK.  That's not right.
 
2013-05-24 07:32:26 PM

OgreMagi: RenownedCurator: TyrantII: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

14-17 legal then vs 15-18 not now.  What a difference a year makes (in the eyes of the law)

Word is the parent of the "victim" waited to file charges as soon as the accused was 18.

"Word" is wrong. If you read the affidavit, the girls weren't even involved when the accused turned 18. She was 18 1/2 when arrested.

Looks like I have to retract my earlier statement about the parents purposely wating for her to turn 18.  Damn it.  This means I have to admit I was wrong ... ON FARK.  That's not right.


Truthfully, I can't figure out whats going on in this case, every single article I've read on it says something different.
 
2013-05-24 07:32:32 PM
Ah, fark TFA.  Kaitlyn is not charged with "child abuse" as it says.  She's charged with two counts of "lewd or lascivious molestation" against a child age 12 to 16.  They've got her.

LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS MOLESTATION.-

(a)A person who intentionally touches in a lewd or lascivious manner the breasts, genitals, genital area, or buttocks, or the clothing covering them, of a person less than 16 years of age, or forces or entices a person under 16 years of age to so touch the perpetrator, commits lewd or lascivious molestation.....

2.An offender 18 years of age or older who commits lewd or lascivious molestation against a victim 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of age  commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
 
2013-05-24 07:33:40 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: RenownedCurator: TyrantII: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

14-17 legal then vs 15-18 not now.  What a difference a year makes (in the eyes of the law)

Word is the parent of the "victim" waited to file charges as soon as the accused was 18.

"Word" is wrong. If you read the affidavit, the girls weren't even involved when the accused turned 18. She was 18 1/2 when arrested.

Looks like I have to retract my earlier statement about the parents purposely wating for her to turn 18.  Damn it.  This means I have to admit I was wrong ... ON FARK.  That's not right.

Truthfully, I can't figure out whats going on in this case, every single article I've read on it says something different.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted

Does that help?
 
2013-05-24 07:33:44 PM
The child in me can't stop laughing at her name.  The last place my husband worked at, there was a guy there named Todd Watkins.  His company-created email address turned out to be t­watkins[nospam-﹫-backwards]ema­n­y­na­pmo­c*c­om (which also made me giggle).  This woman's name would be khunt.

/ok, I think maybe it's just the meds?
//or I just have a ten year old's sense of humor..
 
2013-05-24 07:34:22 PM
I don't see any hang wringing over the males convicted of this exact same thing. Must be anti-male bigots.
 
2013-05-24 07:34:32 PM
To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.
 
2013-05-24 07:34:41 PM
Case is confusing like a blind lesbian in a tuna factory.

"...If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case. "  Yah, and there's that.
 
2013-05-24 07:36:30 PM

Amusement: Case is confusing like a blind lesbian in a tuna factory.

"...If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case. "  Yah, and there's that.


It's true.  There would be no media attention because it would be a simple case hardly worth reporting about.  Just another idiot guy going to jail for a very long time.
 
2013-05-24 07:37:27 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: [i.imgur.com image 850x733]


The Facebook activity of that TV station is comedy gold. "Man accidentally shoots himself while bowling". Seriously, who does that?
 
2013-05-24 07:37:50 PM
This is stupid, and so are the laws around HS/teenage/young adult relationships.  Girl shouldn't be charged with anything.  If this was a guy he shouldn't be charged with anything.  Seniors date freshman all the time and guess what, teenagers have sex.
 
2013-05-24 07:38:50 PM

bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.


Exactly. Perfectly stated.
 
2013-05-24 07:40:53 PM

bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.


(1) There is no such thing as a rule-less game.
(2) All rules are inherently arbitrary.
 
2013-05-24 07:41:02 PM
I like how they refer to the 'criminal' as 18 yrs old but refer to the 'victim' as 14 yrs old....when in fact the 'criminal' was 17 yrs old when it started (which is okay by law; with a 14 yr old) and the 'victim' is currently 15 yrs old. So it's a 18 yr old and a 15 yr old, 3 year difference. Hope she 'wins'.
 
2013-05-24 07:41:41 PM

worlddan: (1) There is no such thing as a rule-less game


Calvin-ball.
 
2013-05-24 07:41:52 PM

hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.


This would allow the parents of the other girl to file in civil against her and her parents.  Safer for her family for her to fight and lose then put it on appeal.  She is STILL a minor in Florida at this time.  The law is very arbitrary and not actually constitutional because the state has chosen to break it in the past.

She will not win, but her family will be safe.
 
2013-05-24 07:41:56 PM

ferretman: I like how they refer to the 'criminal' as 18 yrs old but refer to the 'victim' as 14 yrs old....when in fact the 'criminal' was 17 yrs old when it started (which is okay by law; with a 14 yr old) and the 'victim' is currently 15 yrs old. So it's a 18 yr old and a 15 yr old, 3 year difference. Hope she 'wins'.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted

You should really read.
 
2013-05-24 07:42:01 PM

IamAwake: Ahem...

794.05Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-

(1)A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.So...as long as they simply say they're not eating each other out, it's...perfectly legal.  They can tussle around in bed, make out, do everything...so long as they don't do any carpet munching (or, so long as they say they aren't doing any...).  That seems like a pretty easy way to win this, really...as lesbians, they are actually at a bit of an advantage in the situation.  Simply going on dates, kissing, making out, that sort of thing?  Not illegal.


Which one is 24 or older? The 18 year old or the 14 year old?
 
2013-05-24 07:42:31 PM

runescorpio: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

Thats still 2 years of her life for being in a relationship that started out as legal. Letter of the law people are the reason western society is crumbling around the edges. There is no leeway for circumstance. No mercy for petty issues.
Making someones way of life illegal simply because they had a birthday and the law says that makes them an adult to me screams ignorance and for the most part indicates a broken legal system.


It does not look like it was ever a legal relationship in Florida

It started as a third degree felony, and became second degree if it continued after the older girl's 18th birthday.  Which is as silly as you point out above.

Also, if these kids would stop documenting all of the personal details of their lives, the younger girl's parents would not be able to pursue prosecution without her cooperation.

/totally guessing that text messages and FB posts are being used for evidence.
//Get of my lawn!
 
2013-05-24 07:42:57 PM

Master P but not that one: meh

I submitted this with a better headline

Women finally win the fight for equal rights.


No, that is above the 3rd grade level of reading comprehension. Bad headline.
 
2013-05-24 07:43:06 PM

redslippers: bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.

Exactly. Perfectly stated.


NO 14 YEAR OLDS HAD SEX WITH 18 YEAR OLDS.  Younger turned 15 before older turned 18.
Some important things to remember seem to have slipped your ability to read facts.
 
2013-05-24 07:43:16 PM
I wonder how Hunts mother would be reacting if her little Katlin was the 14 year old and an 18 year old student (regardless of gender) started feeling her daughter up and penetrating her with her finger in a high school bathroom then enticed her daughter to run away with the 18 yo for a night of sex. She of course would be perfectly fine with this right? RIGHT?

\why are you guys laughing at me like that?
 
2013-05-24 07:43:58 PM

dlp211: This is stupid, and so are the laws around HS/teenage/young adult relationships.  Girl shouldn't be charged with anything.  If this was a guy he shouldn't be charged with anything.  Seniors date freshman all the time and guess what, teenagers have sex.


Seniors do not date freshman "all the time". And yes, there should be laws on the books to prevent older, more mature kids from having sexual encounters with kids who are not old enough to drive a car, let alone determine whether or not they are ready to have sex.

When is the last time you had a conversation with a fourteen year old girl? My daughter is very mature for her age. She gets good grades, talks to me about things going on socially, boys, even told me openly that she is a little confused about her sexuality and thinks she may be a lesbian. She is incredibly smart, and for her age, very well reasoned. But she isn't old enough to decide whether or not to have sex. And an older person, boy or girl, who is a legal adult, should have no interest in a fourteen year old. The vast majority of these situations are predatory. There is a grossly uneven power dynamic between the parties and the younger is at a significant disadvantage. The law recognizes this, and the law is there because society recognizes this.
 
2013-05-24 07:44:06 PM
If this was a male senior buggering some freshman kid in the back of the band bus... would we be having a different conversation?
 
2013-05-24 07:44:12 PM

redslippers: bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.

Exactly. Perfectly stated.


I don't know. The problem with the law is that there's no grey area, but in the real world there is. There are age gaps where it starts to get kinda creepy and maybe sorta inappropriate, but to the law, you are either guilty as sin or pure as the driven snow. Over 20 with a 14 year old and I'd say lock her up, and I'd dare anyone to try to make it about homophobia. But at the same time, if this was 17/14 I don't think anyone would care. The power balance in their relationship didn't suddenly, dramatically shift on the day this girl turned 18.
 
2013-05-24 07:44:15 PM

OgreMagi: worlddan: (1) There is no such thing as a rule-less game

Calvin-ball.


???

http://calvinandhobbes.wikia.com/wiki/Calvinball
 
2013-05-24 07:44:18 PM

Empty H: Double standards aside and all, 2 years house arrest is a very sweet deal to say no to. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.


she will get a good bit of money from the gay community to fight it.  Ching.

I have never much been into kiddy diddling... but what happens if a 15 year old is banging the 17 year old.. and the 17 year old has a birthday....do they get credit for banging the person previously, when they were legal?

in my state, if you are 2 or fewer years apart.. it does not matter how old you are.
 
2013-05-24 07:44:50 PM

ferretman: I like how they refer to the 'criminal' as 18 yrs old but refer to the 'victim' as 14 yrs old....when in fact the 'criminal' was 17 yrs old when it started (which is okay by law; with a 14 yr old) and the 'victim' is currently 15 yrs old. So it's a 18 yr old and a 15 yr old, 3 year difference. Hope she 'wins'.


I can see that someone is still falling for the original "Spin" put out by Hunts mother...
 
2013-05-24 07:46:27 PM

prjindigo: redslippers: bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.

Exactly. Perfectly stated.

NO 14 YEAR OLDS HAD SEX WITH 18 YEAR OLDS.  Younger turned 15 before older turned 18.
Some important things to remember seem to have slipped your ability to read facts.


Funny, because you are incorrect. Like, grossly incorrect. Please read the thread. Read the arrest affidavit. But for G-d's sake, READ before you go acting as if others are dumbasses when you are the one being a dumbass.
 
2013-05-24 07:47:13 PM
K. Hunt will not take the plea deal?
 
2013-05-24 07:47:18 PM

prjindigo: NO 14 YEAR OLDS HAD SEX WITH 18 YEAR OLDS.  Younger turned 15 before older turned 18.


Read this

http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted

you f*cking idiot.
 
2013-05-24 07:47:32 PM
There are like 5 different replies to this repeated 50 times. Does anyone read a thread before replying? Damn. Hot Penthouse letter that wouldn't be illegal if one of them lied and signed a consent form. End of story.
 
2013-05-24 07:47:37 PM

prjindigo: redslippers: bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.

Exactly. Perfectly stated.

NO 14 YEAR OLDS HAD SEX WITH 18 YEAR OLDS.  Younger turned 15 before older turned 18.
Some important things to remember seem to have slipped your ability to read facts.


No. FARK NO. Jesus you are wrong.  Here read this
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted
 
2013-05-24 07:48:03 PM

worlddan: OgreMagi: worlddan: (1) There is no such thing as a rule-less game

Calvin-ball.

???

http://calvinandhobbes.wikia.com/wiki/Calvinball


There are common elements in each game of Calivin-ball, but there are no rules.

Ok, One rule.  Have fun.
 
2013-05-24 07:48:17 PM
www.wusa9.com

Who said they were screwing?
That would be my defense.  Hey, we are friends.  We hold hands.  I can hold hands with a 14 year old if I want to.
Kids are brainless these days.
 
2013-05-24 07:48:37 PM

BolloxReader: ///had a mother literally offer me the choice between her 17 year old daughter and her 14 year old daughter, because she figured I was going to college and could support one of her children easily. Declined offer. WTF.


Would you have taken the offer if it was for both of them?
 
2013-05-24 07:48:37 PM

dlp211: This is stupid, and so are the laws around HS/teenage/young adult relationships.  Girl shouldn't be charged with anything.  If this was a guy he shouldn't be charged with anything.  Loser Seniors date freshman all the time and guess what, teenagers have sex.


FTFY
 
2013-05-24 07:49:57 PM

Nutsac_Jim: but what happens if a 15 year old is banging the 17 year old.. and the 17 year old has a birthday


What happens is the very Sicilian father of the girl finds out and threatens the young guy with death AND prison.  Then the guy realizes the danger and stops seeing her.

/this really happened to me
 
2013-05-24 07:51:07 PM

Tommy Moo: redslippers: bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.

Exactly. Perfectly stated.

I don't know. The problem with the law is that there's no grey area, but in the real world there is. There are age gaps where it starts to get kinda creepy and maybe sorta inappropriate, but to the law, you are either guilty as sin or pure as the driven snow. Over 20 with a 14 year old and I'd say lock her up, and I'd dare anyone to try to make it about homophobia. But at the same time, if this was 17/14 I don't think anyone would care. The power balance in their relationship didn't suddenly, dramatically shift on the day this girl turned 18.


That is where parenting comes in. The law has to delineate something, and this is a hell of a sight better than an unenforceable law on the books that reads "If everybody is creeped out, it's illegal". Or that leaves prosecution solely up to the discretion of the parents.

The law in Florida us clear that under 18 is jail bait. And if you are under a specific age, under 16 is jail bait. All teenagers know this law. In Indian River, it is actually taught in health class.

This law stands to protect kids with parents who don't care enough to, as well as provide teeth for parents to protect their children.

And you'd be hard pressed to find a parent of a fourteen year old girl who thinks this is "no big deal".
 
2013-05-24 07:51:21 PM

redslippers: dlp211: This is stupid, and so are the laws around HS/teenage/young adult relationships.  Girl shouldn't be charged with anything.  If this was a guy he shouldn't be charged with anything.  Seniors date freshman all the time and guess what, teenagers have sex.

Seniors do not date freshman "all the time". And yes, there should be laws on the books to prevent older, more mature kids from having sexual encounters with kids who are not old enough to drive a car, let alone determine whether or not they are ready to have sex.

When is the last time you had a conversation with a fourteen year old girl? My daughter is very mature for her age. She gets good grades, talks to me about things going on socially, boys, even told me openly that she is a little confused about her sexuality and thinks she may be a lesbian. She is incredibly smart, and for her age, very well reasoned. But she isn't old enough to decide whether or not to have sex. And an older person, boy or girl, who is a legal adult, should have no interest in a fourteen year old. The vast majority of these situations are predatory. There is a grossly uneven power dynamic between the parties and the younger is at a significant disadvantage. The law recognizes this, and the law is there because society recognizes this.



Sorry to bust your bubble, but seniors date freshman all the time, more specifically, senior boys date freshman girls, and this isn't even new, this has been going on since at least my grandparents generation.  This wasn't someone in college dating a freshman in high school.  This was a senior dating a freshman.  They were a part of the same peer group.
 
2013-05-24 07:51:23 PM
The adults involved in this, the self-righteous, sanctimonious, tiny-minded hate-filled bigots are some of the worst examples of humanity on this planet.

I wouldn't piss on one if they were on fire. If you cracked their heads open you would find nothing but solid concrete.

It's a travesty that we even have share the same oxygen with this scum.
 
2013-05-24 07:54:02 PM
redslippers: I think it better to safeguard a few who may not need it than to leave exposed those who do.

Well said.

/reminds me of what Spock said when he was in that irradiated chamber....but I digress.
 
2013-05-24 07:54:11 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: The adults involved in this, the self-righteous, sanctimonious, tiny-minded hate-filled bigots are some of the worst examples of humanity on this planet.

I wouldn't piss on one if they were on fire. If you cracked their heads open you would find nothing but solid concrete.

It's a travesty that we even have share the same oxygen with this scum.


But enough about Hunts parents.
 
2013-05-24 07:54:18 PM

prjindigo: redslippers: bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.

Exactly. Perfectly stated.

NO 14 YEAR OLDS HAD SEX WITH 18 YEAR OLDS.  Younger turned 15 before older turned 18.
Some important things to remember seem to have slipped your ability to read facts.


Actually, 14 YEAR OLD DID HAVE SEX WITH 18 YEAR OLD. Hunt turned 18 the August before her senior year. The girl she had sex with was fourteen until sometime after charges were brought in February.
 
2013-05-24 07:54:28 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: The adults involved in this, the self-righteous, sanctimonious, tiny-minded hate-filled bigots are some of the worst examples of humanity on this planet.

I wouldn't piss on one if they were on fire. If you cracked their heads open you would find nothing but solid concrete.

It's a travesty that we even have share the same oxygen with this scum.


Yeah, that rapist is pretty bad.
 
2013-05-24 07:55:51 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: If this was a male senior buggering some freshman kid in the back of the band bus... would we be having a different conversation?


As a member of marching band during HS, I'm getting a kick.

Because it's true.
 
2013-05-24 07:57:03 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: The adults involved in this, the self-righteous, sanctimonious, tiny-minded hate-filled bigots are some of the worst examples of humanity on this planet.

I wouldn't piss on one if they were on fire. If you cracked their heads open you would find nothing but solid concrete.

It's a travesty that we even have share the same oxygen with this scum.


Assumes facts not in evidence. A male in this situation would have been jailed regardless of the sex of the younger teen. Also, a male wouldn't have been offered the chance to not be a registered sex offender for the rest of their lives. Sounds to me like she IS being treated as an equal regardless of sex and orientation.
 
2013-05-24 07:57:10 PM

lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.


Because it started as a relationship between a 17 year old and a 14 year old.

Then the older girl turned 18, and the 14 year old's parents waited several months, and ~then~ filed reports with police.


It wouldn't surprise me if the younger girl's parents weren't trying to pray the gay away, as well.
 
2013-05-24 07:57:32 PM

dlp211: redslippers: dlp211: This is stupid, and so are the laws around HS/teenage/young adult relationships.  Girl shouldn't be charged with anything.  If this was a guy he shouldn't be charged with anything.  Seniors date freshman all the time and guess what, teenagers have sex.

Seniors do not date freshman "all the time". And yes, there should be laws on the books to prevent older, more mature kids from having sexual encounters with kids who are not old enough to drive a car, let alone determine whether or not they are ready to have sex.

When is the last time you had a conversation with a fourteen year old girl? My daughter is very mature for her age. She gets good grades, talks to me about things going on socially, boys, even told me openly that she is a little confused about her sexuality and thinks she may be a lesbian. She is incredibly smart, and for her age, very well reasoned. But she isn't old enough to decide whether or not to have sex. And an older person, boy or girl, who is a legal adult, should have no interest in a fourteen year old. The vast majority of these situations are predatory. There is a grossly uneven power dynamic between the parties and the younger is at a significant disadvantage. The law recognizes this, and the law is there because society recognizes this.


Sorry to bust your bubble, but seniors date freshman all the time, more specifically, senior boys date freshman girls, and this isn't even new, this has been going on since at least my grandparents generation.  This wasn't someone in college dating a freshman in high school.  This was a senior dating a freshman.  They were a part of the same peer group.


They were not "part of the same peer group". How much time have you spent around teenagers lately? How much time immersed in a high school? It is scandalous for a senior to date a freshman. These girls were not buddies all along, they JUST MET. Seniors and freshmen do not share classes, they do not haunt the same social circles, they are not "peers". Seniors and Juniors, that argument holds valid. Juniors and sophomores, there is overlap. Sophomores and freshmen, some overlap. And there is the occasional senior dating an older sophomore.

This was an 18 year old legal adult, dating a 14 year old child. A girl old enough to buy a car, or a house, vote, work, leave the country of her own volition, live alone, get married, join the military, and go to college, dating a girl FRESH OUT OF MIDDLE SCHOOL. A girl who is not old enough to drive, or even have a bank account without her parent's name on it.
 
2013-05-24 07:57:47 PM

ferretman: I like how they refer to the 'criminal' as 18 yrs old but refer to the 'victim' as 14 yrs old....when in fact the 'criminal' was 17 yrs old when it started (which is okay by law; with a 14 yr old) and the 'victim' is currently 15 yrs old. So it's a 18 yr old and a 15 yr old, 3 year difference. Hope she 'wins'.


Ignore what I said...didn't know the facts...hope this makes up for it:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-24 07:58:38 PM
Sigh, at this point I have to agree with those who say prosecute. But the age thing is an issue mostly because, as others pointed out, maturity does not magically appear overnight with a change of age.

The law needs to be more flexible. But in this case? I actually think the 18 year old knew better. But was blinded by the stupidity of youth.
 
2013-05-24 07:59:43 PM
So a kid in grade 12 dated a kid in grade 9?  So what?
 
2013-05-24 07:59:49 PM

IamAwake: Ahem...

794.05Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-

(1)A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.So...as long as they simply say they're not eating each other out, it's...perfectly legal.  They can tussle around in bed, make out, do everything...so long as they don't do any carpet munching (or, so long as they say they aren't doing any...).  That seems like a pretty easy way to win this, really...as lesbians, they are actually at a bit of an advantage in the situation.  Simply going on dates, kissing, making out, that sort of thing?  Not illegal.


She's being charged with "lewd and lascivious battery".  Please see 800.04 which includes under 5.a, "A person who intentionally touches in a lewd or lascivious manner the breasts, genitals, genital area, or buttocks, or the clothing covering them, of a person less than 16 years of age ..."  So, as long as she did not touch any interesting bits or the clothing that covers them, she'll be fine.
 
2013-05-24 07:59:53 PM

mithras_angel: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Because it started as a relationship between a 17 year old and a 14 year old.

Then the older girl turned 18, and the 14 year old's parents waited several months, and ~then~ filed reports with police.


It wouldn't surprise me if the younger girl's parents weren't trying to pray the gay away, as well.


Dude, read the effing thread. Your comment is incorrect, and is based on misinformation spread by Hunt's parents.
 
2013-05-24 08:00:26 PM
I can only hope that this goes to trial and that she not only gets convicted but receives a very hefty sentence that not only includes jail time but also her name on a sex offender registry.

Why?

Because if the situation involved a 18 year old guy and a 14 year old girl most people, especially feminists, would be screaming statutory rape.  Instead, because this is a "lesibian relationship" everyone is treating the rapist like some sort of hero...
 
2013-05-24 08:00:40 PM

mithras_angel: Because it started as a relationship between a 17 year old and a 14 year old.

Then the older girl turned 18, and the 14 year old's parents waited several months, and ~then~ filed reports with police.


Another sucker for Hunt's moms spin on it. Hint, read the thread and the link to the affidavit.
 
2013-05-24 08:00:51 PM

mithras_angel: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Because it started as a relationship between a 17 year old and a 14 year old.

Then the older girl turned 18, and the 14 year old's parents waited several months, and ~then~ filed reports with police.


It wouldn't surprise me if the younger girl's parents weren't trying to pray the gay away, as well.


Tell me, after 200+ posts, how does it feel to be an idiot?
 
2013-05-24 08:01:56 PM
If she admitted committing two counts, like it says in the affidavit, what defense will she make at trial?  Is she going to go for jury nullification, or what?  Sounds risky, seeing as how she could get 15 years in prison.
 
2013-05-24 08:02:32 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: The adults involved in this, the self-righteous, sanctimonious, tiny-minded hate-filled bigots are some of the worst examples of humanity on this planet.

I wouldn't piss on one if they were on fire. If you cracked their heads open you would find nothing but solid concrete.

It's a travesty that we even have share the same oxygen with this scum.


I hope you are trolling. Because the Hunt's have been lying right and left trying to garner public outcry. Thre is no evidence that the victim's parents are bigots, or that there is any motivation beyond the fact that Ms. Hunt was engaged in an illegal sexual relationship with their daughter, with an age difference of 18 and 14, and then enticed her to run away and spend the night with her and have more sex.
 
2013-05-24 08:03:08 PM

redslippers: dlp211: redslippers: dlp211: This is stupid, and so are the laws around HS/teenage/young adult relationships.  Girl shouldn't be charged with anything.  If this was a guy he shouldn't be charged with anything.  Seniors date freshman all the time and guess what, teenagers have sex.

Seniors do not date freshman "all the time". And yes, there should be laws on the books to prevent older, more mature kids from having sexual encounters with kids who are not old enough to drive a car, let alone determine whether or not they are ready to have sex.

When is the last time you had a conversation with a fourteen year old girl? My daughter is very mature for her age. She gets good grades, talks to me about things going on socially, boys, even told me openly that she is a little confused about her sexuality and thinks she may be a lesbian. She is incredibly smart, and for her age, very well reasoned. But she isn't old enough to decide whether or not to have sex. And an older person, boy or girl, who is a legal adult, should have no interest in a fourteen year old. The vast majority of these situations are predatory. There is a grossly uneven power dynamic between the parties and the younger is at a significant disadvantage. The law recognizes this, and the law is there because society recognizes this.


Sorry to bust your bubble, but seniors date freshman all the time, more specifically, senior boys date freshman girls, and this isn't even new, this has been going on since at least my grandparents generation.  This wasn't someone in college dating a freshman in high school.  This was a senior dating a freshman.  They were a part of the same peer group.

They were not "part of the same peer group". How much time have you spent around teenagers lately? How much time immersed in a high school? It is scandalous for a senior to date a freshman. These girls were not buddies all along, they JUST MET. Seniors and freshmen do not share classes, they do not haunt the same social circles, ...


They played on the same basketball team.  There are in fact classes where there are seniors and freshman together, they are called electives.  I spend a fair amount of time around teenagers considering that my sister in law is 16 now and I have known her she was 9, plus all her friends.  It is far from "scandalous" for a senior to date a freshman.  Again, the law with regard to these kinds of situations is stupid.
 
2013-05-24 08:06:05 PM

Tommy Moo: I don't know. The problem with the law is that there's no grey area, but in the real world there is.


That's what the jury is for.
 
2013-05-24 08:07:05 PM

redslippers: But she isn't old enough to decide whether or not to have sex. And an older person, boy or girl, who is a legal adult, should have no interest in a fourteen year old. The vast majority of these situations are predatory. There is a grossly uneven power dynamic between the parties and the younger is at a significant disadvantage. The law recognizes this, and the law is there because society recognizes this.


Very well said. How on earth did the human race even get to this point, what with all the predatory, exploitative teen-on-teen sex going on before the advent of modern statutory rape laws?

England's first statutory rape law was passed in 1275. It set the age of consent at 12. No close in age stuff. A 40 year old man could bonk a 12 year old if he wanted.

But they soon realized their mistake. So in 1576, parliament voted to change the age of consent--to 10.

The vast majority of these situations are predatory

1) What do you mean by "predatory?"

2) How do you know the vast majority of 18 year olds dating 14 year olds situations are predatory?
 
2013-05-24 08:07:21 PM
The advantage of having your daughter in a lesbian relationship over a heterosexual relationship is you don't have to worry about her getting pregnant.

But overall, this relationship was wrong wrong wrong.
 
2013-05-24 08:07:23 PM

dlp211: Again, the law with regard to these kinds of situations is stupid.


The law is there to prevent predation on minors to young to do pretty much anything without their parents consent. 14 year olds are not known for their wise decision making skills. Se Bieber, Justin for exhibit A.
 
2013-05-24 08:08:01 PM

redslippers: IamAwake: Ahem...

794.05Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-

(1)A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.So...as long as they simply say they're not eating each other out, it's...perfectly legal.  They can tussle around in bed, make out, do everything...so long as they don't do any carpet munching (or, so long as they say they aren't doing any...).  That seems like a pretty easy way to win this, really...as lesbians, they are actually at a bit of an advantage in the situation.  Simply going on dates, kissing, making out, that sort of thing?  Not illegal.

Uhm, NO. It is covered by Florida statute 800.04 paragraph (5) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS MOLESTATION.-
(a) A person who intentionally touches in a lewd or lascivious manner the breasts, genitals, genital area, or buttocks, or the clothing covering them, of a person less than 16 years of age, or forces or entices a person under 16 years of age to so touch the perpetrator, commits lewd or lascivious molestation.

and

 2. An offender 18 years of age or older who commits lewd or lascivious molestation against a victim 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of agecommits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.


Actually, she's charged under paragraph (4):

(4)LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY.-A person who:
(a)Engages in sexual activity with a person 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of age; or(b)Encourages, forces, or entices any person less than 16 years of age to engage in sadomasochistic abuse, sexual bestiality, prostitution, or any other act involving sexual activity
 
2013-05-24 08:08:27 PM

Radioactive Ass: mithras_angel: Because it started as a relationship between a 17 year old and a 14 year old.

Then the older girl turned 18, and the 14 year old's parents waited several months, and ~then~ filed reports with police.

Another sucker for Hunt's moms spin on it. Hint, read the thread and the link to the affidavit.


The affidavit is pretty damning.
 
2013-05-24 08:08:39 PM

bukijin: Tommy Moo: I don't know. The problem with the law is that there's no grey area, but in the real world there is.

That's what the jury is for.


Except they are not.  Juries determine guilt, not punishment.  And while jury nullification is a thing, to few people know about it, and mentioning it will be an instant ticket to getting you disqualified.
 
2013-05-24 08:08:41 PM

SkinnyHead: If she admitted committing two counts, like it says in the affidavit, what defense will she make at trial?  Is she going to go for jury nullification, or what?  Sounds risky, seeing as how she could get 15 years in prison.


I'd say jury nullification is her only hope. I can see maybe convincing one or two jurors that this really is all about her being a lesbian and not about her being an adult molesting a 14-year-old. But I just can't see her convincing an entire jury, even in Florida, to overlook both the law and the facts of the case.
 
2013-05-24 08:09:38 PM

lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.


Probably splitting a hair or two here, but I would guess that it began as 17 and 14, then 15 and 18....plus or minus.
 
2013-05-24 08:10:17 PM

powhound: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Probably splitting a hair or two here, but I would guess that it began as 17 and 14, then 15 and 18....plus or minus.


It began at 18 and 14.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted
 
2013-05-24 08:11:14 PM

powhound: Probably splitting a hair or two here, but I would guess that it began as 17 and 14, then 15 and 18....plus or minus.


You "Guessed" wrong. Read the thread from the start.
 
2013-05-24 08:11:41 PM
dlp211:

I disagree. It is far from common. It does happen, and when it does, you usually have a younger senior and an older freshman.

These two met in September. They relationship began in November. That is not long enough to be an established part of a peer group. The definition of peer group is as follows:

peer′ group`
n.
a group of friends or associates, usu. of similar background, social status, and esp. age, who are likely to influence a person's beliefs and behavior. 
My kids are in a small school, where the kindergartners are housed in the same building as the highschoolers. The older kids and the younger kids all know each other, they pass each other in hallways, they even occasionally share an elective (4-H, agriculture studies, chorus, band, drama, all grouped by interest and ability rather than age). By your definition, my kindergartner belongs to the same peer group as my 14 year old, because they attend school in the same building and have the occasional overlap in chorus and 4-H. That argument is ludicrous.

14 year olds and 18 year olds do not belong to the same peer group. With teenagers, an age difference of just six months can be a massive difference. The brain development of a 14 year old does not even compare to the brain development of an 18 year old.

But that is okay, keep clinging to your ridiculous claim that because they saw each other at basket ball practice, the 14 year old was on equal footing with an 18 year old.
 
2013-05-24 08:12:34 PM

Radioactive Ass: The law is there to prevent predation on minors to young to do pretty much anything without their parents consent. 14 year olds are not known for their wise decision making skills. Se Bieber, Justin for exhibit A.


Frankly, statutory rape laws shouldn't exist past say age 16.  If we trust you to drive a car and not kill everyone on the road you should be trusted with any decision regarding sex.  If you're 16 and want to have sex with a 60 year old you should be able to do so.
 
2013-05-24 08:12:51 PM
ferretman:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 420x482]

You need the worst punishment Fark can dish out for posting a picture like that without warning.
 
2013-05-24 08:13:07 PM

BarkingUnicorn: redslippers: IamAwake: Ahem...

794.05Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-

(1)A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.So...as long as they simply say they're not eating each other out, it's...perfectly legal.  They can tussle around in bed, make out, do everything...so long as they don't do any carpet munching (or, so long as they say they aren't doing any...).  That seems like a pretty easy way to win this, really...as lesbians, they are actually at a bit of an advantage in the situation.  Simply going on dates, kissing, making out, that sort of thing?  Not illegal.

Uhm, NO. It is covered by Florida statute 800.04 paragraph (5) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS MOLESTATION.-
(a) A person who intentionally touches in a lewd or lascivious manner the breasts, genitals, genital area, or buttocks, or the clothing covering them, of a person less than 16 years of age, or forces or entices a person under 16 years of age to so touch the perpetrator, commits lewd or lascivious molestation.

and

 2. An offender 18 years of age or older who commits lewd or lascivious molestation against a victim 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of agecommits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Actually, she's charged under paragraph (4):

(4)LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY.-A person who:
(a)Engages in sexual activity with a person 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of age; or(b)Encourages, forces, or entices any person less than 16 years of age to engage in sadomasochistic abuse, sexual bestiality, prostitution, or any other act involving sexual activity


Thanks, I've copied that damn thing and pasted it so much I failed to pay close attention.
 
2013-05-24 08:13:11 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: Again, the law with regard to these kinds of situations is stupid.

The law is there to prevent predation on minors to young to do pretty much anything without their parents consent. 14 year olds are not known for their wise decision making skills. Se Bieber, Justin for exhibit A.


And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning.  And guess what, this has been going on forever.
 
2013-05-24 08:13:25 PM
tinfoil-hat maggie: The affidavit is pretty damning.

And suitable for laminating.
 
2013-05-24 08:13:38 PM
 
2013-05-24 08:14:47 PM
They are not dicking around.
 
2013-05-24 08:15:24 PM
a lesbian named K. Hunt??

what's next, Dick Armey comes out?
 
2013-05-24 08:15:29 PM

Molavian: powhound: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Probably splitting a hair or two here, but I would guess that it began as 17 and 14, then 15 and 18....plus or minus.

It began at 18 and 14.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted


As I said it is damning. Although you have to remember that's the cops story (don't get me wrong I'm not saying there lying) there may be more to it though. I also found it interesting the 18 yr old is only 5'1" tall, don't know why, but I can't see a girl that height forcing anyone to do anything.
 
2013-05-24 08:16:00 PM

redslippers: Read the thread, and in specific, my posts. You are incorrect on age, you are incorrect on the charges, you have a very misinformed viewpoint. This chica is going to jail. She openly admitted to police, after being Mirandized, to having multiple sexual encounters with a 14 year old, which in Florida is ALWAYS illegal.


You're right.  I fell for TFA's "child abuse" shorthand.  Had to really dig to find the exact charge:  lewd or lascivious battery on a person between the ages of 12 and 16.   FS 800.04(4)

(4)LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY.-A person who:
(a)Engages in sexual activity with a person 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of age; or(b)Encourages, forces, or entices any person less than 16 years of age to engage in sadomasochistic abuse, sexual bestiality, prostitution, or any other act involving sexual activity

Doesn't look like a perp has to be over 18 for that charge.   The age of 18 figures into other sections of the statute.
 
2013-05-24 08:18:23 PM

Puckmarin: Frankly, statutory rape laws shouldn't exist past say age 16. If we trust you to drive a car and not kill everyone on the road you should be trusted with any decision regarding sex. If you're 16 and want to have sex with a 60 year old you should be able to do so.


And that is the case in many states. Wiki. Not in Florida.
 
2013-05-24 08:18:40 PM
Maybe she rejected the offer because she WANTS to go to prison?
 
2013-05-24 08:18:48 PM

Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?


This crap needs to stop. The girl turned 18 in august, the relationship started in November. The lies from the Hunts will ruin their daughter.
 
2013-05-24 08:19:28 PM
On the one hand she was almost certainly targeted by the mother for being gay. On the otherhand, that was a pretty sweet plea deal, and I don't think running on the discrimination angle is going to work when you actually committed the crime in question.

Meaning, she might have turned you in for bigoted reasons, but that doesn't let you get off scott-free.
 
2013-05-24 08:19:38 PM

dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.


And what happens when they get caught?
 
2013-05-24 08:20:15 PM

bugontherug: redslippers: But she isn't old enough to decide whether or not to have sex. And an older person, boy or girl, who is a legal adult, should have no interest in a fourteen year old. The vast majority of these situations are predatory. There is a grossly uneven power dynamic between the parties and the younger is at a significant disadvantage. The law recognizes this, and the law is there because society recognizes this.

Very well said. How on earth did the human race even get to this point, what with all the predatory, exploitative teen-on-teen sex going on before the advent of modern statutory rape laws?

England's first statutory rape law was passed in 1275. It set the age of consent at 12. No close in age stuff. A 40 year old man could bonk a 12 year old if he wanted.

But they soon realized their mistake. So in 1576, parliament voted to change the age of consent--to 10.

The vast majority of these situations are predatory

1) What do you mean by "predatory?"

2) How do you know the vast majority of 18 year olds dating 14 year olds situations are predatory?


Laws on the books several hundred years ago are hardly comparable to modern society. That was not exactly known as an enlightened time, nor were life spans long enough to wait until your 20s or 30s to marry or procreate.

As far as "predatory" I mean that the relationship is unequal. The younger is at a significant psychological, intellectual, and emotional disadvantage. Therefore, the sexual relationship is predatory, as while the older party is old enough to understand ramifications and make sound decisions, the younger party is not. This is the very reason that a minor cannot enter into a contract. Because the contract would be at it's very nature predatory, sue to the power imbalance. I do not mean that all teenagers who've ever wanted to tap the ass of a younger teenager are predators. But the relationship is predatory.

And how do I know? Because 14 year olds and 18 year olds, when when comparing the ability to make decisions, think about long term as well as short term consequences, etc., you may as well be comparing apes to humans. How is this so hard to comprehend? Let me guess, you've never parented a teenager, have you?
 
2013-05-24 08:22:08 PM

TyrantII: 14-17 legal then vs 15-18 not now.  What a difference a year makes (in the eyes of the law)

Word is the parent of the "victim" waited to file charges as soon as the accused was 18.


Repeating for the THIRD time, it was  NEVER LEGAL TO BEGIN WITH.
 
2013-05-24 08:22:53 PM

redslippers: dlp211:

I disagree. It is far from common. It does happen, and when it does, you usually have a younger senior and an older freshman.

These two met in September. They relationship began in November. That is not long enough to be an established part of a peer group. The definition of peer group is as follows:

peer′ group`
n.
a group of friends or associates, usu. of similar background, social status, and esp. age, who are likely to influence a person's beliefs and behavior. 
My kids are in a small school, where the kindergartners are housed in the same building as the highschoolers. The older kids and the younger kids all know each other, they pass each other in hallways, they even occasionally share an elective (4-H, agriculture studies, chorus, band, drama, all grouped by interest and ability rather than age). By your definition, my kindergartner belongs to the same peer group as my 14 year old, because they attend school in the same building and have the occasional overlap in chorus and 4-H. That argument is ludicrous.

14 year olds and 18 year olds do not belong to the same peer group. With teenagers, an age difference of just six months can be a massive difference. The brain development of a 14 year old does not even compare to the brain development of an 18 year old.

But that is okay, keep clinging to your ridiculous claim that because they saw each other at basket ball practice, the 14 year old was on equal footing with an 18 year old.


Of course a 14 year old and kindergartener aren't of the same peer group, that is just dumb.  But a 14 year old freshman, and an 18 year old senior are.  The 14 and 18 year old read the same magazines, watch the same shows, eat at the same places, and hang out with the same people outside of school.  And I could go cherry pick a definition for peer group too.
 
2013-05-24 08:24:00 PM
I wish Fark had a "prevent dumbass" feature that would allow us to ask the mods to insert clarifications at the top of the thread, so that morons would see it BEFORE posting stupid crap that has been corrected 5,412 times.
 
2013-05-24 08:24:14 PM

Surool: I don't see any hang wringing over the males convicted of this exact same thing. Must be anti-male bigots.


You're right. Because were it an 18 year old male, and a 14 year old girl, we'd be saying the exact same thing: 14 will get you 25.
 
2013-05-24 08:24:14 PM

TheWhoppah: Maybe she rejected the offer because she WANTS to go to prison?


No, she rejected the plea deal because she thinks she can leverage gay rights and feminists groups to come to her defense.  The problem is that in the eyes of the law she's a child molester/statutory rapist and those groups probably aren't going to want to touch her with a 10 foot pole.

Personally, I don't think what she did was wrong because they were both students in high school.  The situation would be different if she was 18 and out of school...

On the other hand, had she been male there's no doubt in my mind that most people wouldn't think twice about throwing her in jail to rot.  Based on that fact alone I think she needs to be punished in some way.
 
2013-05-24 08:24:21 PM
After seeing the correct info, I retract what I said. Admittedly all I'd seen on it were the stories when it first hit that were being spun by Hunt's parents.

redslippers: They were not "part of the same peer group". How much time have you spent around teenagers lately? How much time immersed in a high school? It is scandalous for a senior to date a freshman.


How long ago did you graduate from high school? I graduated 12 years ago, and this happened all the time. Hell, 2 of my friends, as seniors, dated freshmen and even took them to prom. Of course, we were all 17 at the time (the girls, 14).
 
2013-05-24 08:24:42 PM

hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.


That's about all they can hope for. I loved this part:
FTA: "It's a situation of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship. If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

Darn right there wouldn't. If it was an 18yo guy, he's be in jail+perm sex offender.
 
2013-05-24 08:27:04 PM
Now, if this was an 18 year old boy and a 14 year old girl, people would be up in arms.

Gays want the same rights as everyone else including to marry. You have to abide by the same laws and be prosecuted under those same laws as anybody else. This makes her a child molester, and to be put on the sex offender registry period. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you can hide behind it like a shield too. Suck it up and go to jail pervert.
 
2013-05-24 08:27:15 PM
Puberty is the age limit nature sets.
They were just ding what comes natural.
What's the big deal?
 
2013-05-24 08:27:28 PM

hardinparamedic: Seriously. Sexual behavior, other than masturbation, in someone 10 to 13 years old is typically a pretty big indicator that kid has had something pretty bad happen to them.


Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.
 
2013-05-24 08:28:27 PM

dlp211: But a 14 year old freshman, and an 18 year old senior are. The 14 and 18 year old read the same magazines, watch the same shows, eat at the same places, and hang out with the same people outside of school. And I could go cherry pick a definition for peer group too.


Not trying to gang up here...

Just wanted to say that I'm enjoying watching you scrambling around to defend the very stupid thing you said... and now hafta keep saying.

Other than arriving at the same campus each morning... and possibly going to the same football games... Seniors and Freshman have nothing in common and are NOT in the same peer group.

So... in a K-12 school... which ones are "peers"?
 
2013-05-24 08:28:41 PM

Master P but not that one: meh

I submitted this with a better headline

Women finally win the fight for equal rights.


No.  No you did not.
 
2013-05-24 08:29:34 PM
Anyone who's seen Dazed and Confused tell me this innuendo wasn't HAWT.

www.dvdizzy.com
 
2013-05-24 08:29:57 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?


Don't get caught, but most importantly if you're gonna fark a 14 yr old be 14 yourself.
 
2013-05-24 08:31:02 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: mithras_angel: Because it started as a relationship between a 17 year old and a 14 year old.

Then the older girl turned 18, and the 14 year old's parents waited several months, and ~then~ filed reports with police.

Another sucker for Hunt's moms spin on it. Hint, read the thread and the link to the affidavit.

The affidavit is pretty damning.


If it's actually accurate.

I've run into quite a few affidavits that weren't.  (Including one where, when it was challenged in front of a judge, caused the judge to ask the officer, "Have you learned to tell the difference between March and May yet?  How about left and right?")


The affidavit has at least one conflict in it.  It first states they started a sexual relationship "before Christmas of 2012", and then later states they started a relationship "after Christmas of 2012".  Right now, it's worth taking with a grain of salt, at least.
 
2013-05-24 08:31:13 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?


They get caught?  They get grounded, they learn a lesson, and the world keeps on turning.  We shouldn't try destroying someones life, and being put on the sex offenders list will destroy this girls life, never mind if the judge throws the book at her.  This wasn't a 30 year old, this was someone that went to the same school, hung out with the same people, ate at the same places, reads the same magazines, listens to the same music, and watches the same TV shows.  The problem here is that we are focused on age.  People tend to mature together, this makes her no different then a 17 year old senior.  Of course this is illegal in Florida as well, but again, stupid law.
 
2013-05-24 08:32:57 PM
hardinparamedic:  I also think that it's wrong that a heterosexual couple involved in this could get married and eliminate the issue, and a homosexual couple could not.

Could they, though?  The other girl is only 15.
 
2013-05-24 08:33:51 PM
Pray 4 Mojo: dlp211: 

Other than arriving at the same campus each morning... and possibly going to the same football games... Seniors and Freshman have nothing in common and are NOT in the same peer group.


Not true.

I was in high school in the early/mid-90s and I remember socializing with Freshman all the time was a senior. I think I probably even dated one, even though I was 17 at the time.  Everyone is in the same "peer group" in high school and socializing with Freshman as a Senior isn't all that uncommon.  You are in band together, belong to the same clubs, and sometimes even play on the same sports teams.
 
2013-05-24 08:35:02 PM

Puckmarin: Personally, I don't think what she did was wrong because they were both students in high school. The situation would be different if she was 18 and out of school...

On the other hand, had she been male there's no doubt in my mind that most people wouldn't think twice about throwing her in jail to rot. Based on that fact alone I think she needs to be punished in some way.


I really agree with what you said there.
/Now then ,maybe it is time to rethink the rules but well they are what they are in this case.
 
2013-05-24 08:35:12 PM

mithras_angel: The affidavit has at least one conflict in it. It first states they started a sexual relationship "before Christmas of 2012", and then later states they started a relationship "after Christmas of 2012". Right now, it's worth taking with a grain of salt, at least.


The affidavit says what each party claimed... it's not stating the facts of the relationship.
 
2013-05-24 08:36:08 PM

swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.


And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.
 
2013-05-24 08:36:32 PM

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: Who said they were screwing?
That would be my defense.  Hey, we are friends.  We hold hands.  I can hold hands with a 14 year old if I want to.
Kids are brainless these days.


Who said they were screwing? Well, the accused did for one. You are right about one thing. Kids are brainless these days.
 
2013-05-24 08:36:59 PM

mithras_angel: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: mithras_angel: Because it started as a relationship between a 17 year old and a 14 year old.

Then the older girl turned 18, and the 14 year old's parents waited several months, and ~then~ filed reports with police.

Another sucker for Hunt's moms spin on it. Hint, read the thread and the link to the affidavit.

The affidavit is pretty damning.

If it's actually accurate.

I've run into quite a few affidavits that weren't.  (Including one where, when it was challenged in front of a judge, caused the judge to ask the officer, "Have you learned to tell the difference between March and May yet?  How about left and right?")


The affidavit has at least one conflict in it.  It first states they started a sexual relationship "before Christmas of 2012", and then later states they started a relationship "after Christmas of 2012".  Right now, it's worth taking with a grain of salt, at least.


I agree it's just the cops story and well we here about those all the time on Fark so...
 
2013-05-24 08:37:56 PM

redslippers: I wish Fark had a "prevent dumbass" feature that would allow us to ask the mods to insert clarifications at the top of the thread, so that morons would see it BEFORE posting stupid crap that has been corrected 5,412 times.


Why don't -you- look at the top of the gotdamn thread! We haven't even breached 1000 comments.


/ :)
 
2013-05-24 08:38:32 PM
Why did she admit anything to the police? If the phone was recorded she should have remained silent until she had a lawyer.
Also, why is an 18 year old just entering freshman year?
 
2013-05-24 08:39:06 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: Who said they were screwing?
That would be my defense.  Hey, we are friends.  We hold hands.  I can hold hands with a 14 year old if I want to.
Kids are brainless these days.

Who said they were screwing? Well, the accused did for one. You are right about one thing. Kids are brainless these days.


Kids have been "brainless these days" since parents lived long enough to see there kids make it to their teenage years.
 
rka
2013-05-24 08:39:18 PM

redslippers: They were not "part of the same peer group". How much time have you spent around teenagers lately?


I went to a school where the entire 9-12 enrollment is normally less than 250. Everyone was in the same peer group. Hell, if you were an exceptionally athletic 7th or 8th grader you were on varsity sports teams and you were even part of the peer group. If you were from one of the surrounding schools with even less enrollment you were in our peer group. Hell, even some of the former students that stayed in town to go to the small 2 year college were still in our peer group.

Small town fun.

/dated a freshman as a senior, but I wasn't 18.
 
2013-05-24 08:39:55 PM

hardinparamedic: swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.

And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.


I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.
 
2013-05-24 08:41:02 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hardinparamedic: swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.

And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.

I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.


Go on...
 
2013-05-24 08:41:20 PM

dlp211: They get caught? They get grounded, they learn a lesson, and the world keeps on turning. We shouldn't try destroying someones life, and being put on the sex offenders list will destroy this girls life, never mind if the judge throws the book at her. This wasn't a 30 year old, this was someone that went to the same school, hung out with the same people, ate at the same places, reads the same magazines, listens to the same music, and watches the same TV shows. The problem here is that we are focused on age. People tend to mature together, this makes her no different then a 17 year old senior. Of course this is illegal in Florida as well, but again, stupid law.


For adults the legal definition of "Getting grounded" is jail. You do know this right? The boundaries are set at what they are for a reason, you obviously disagree with those reasons but that has nothing to do with what Hunt did.

Mock26: Could they, though? The other girl is only 15.


14, not 16. Read the thread from the start.
 
2013-05-24 08:41:23 PM

AbbeySomeone: Why did she admit anything to the police? If the phone was recorded she should have remained silent until she had a lawyer.
Also, why is an 18 year old just entering freshman year?


It happens sometimes.  I turned 18 October of my senior year, there were people older then me.  there was even a 19 year old.  Laws with regard to at what age a child starts kindergarten differ and can sometimes cause a delay or force a child to be left back.
 
2013-05-24 08:43:03 PM

ObeliskToucher: tinfoil-hat maggie: hardinparamedic: swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.

And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.

I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.

Go on...


No you'll touch your obelisk or something : )
 
2013-05-24 08:43:29 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.


Go on...
 
2013-05-24 08:44:27 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hardinparamedic: swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.

And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.

I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.


If both are the same age or close to it, its not that big of a deal as neither party is at a significant advantage.
 
2013-05-24 08:44:31 PM

Mock26: hardinparamedic:  I also think that it's wrong that a heterosexual couple involved in this could get married and eliminate the issue, and a homosexual couple could not.

Could they, though?  The other girl is only 15.


Florida just needs to legalize gay marriage.

The lives of both of these girls have been ruined by what should have been a private matter. The younger one will be harrassed by her peers and bullied on the likes of FB, Ms. Hunt will be destroyed by predatorial dykes in the slammer. FAIL all around.
 
2013-05-24 08:45:26 PM

dlp211: They get caught?  They get grounded, they learn a lesson, and the world keeps on turning.  We shouldn't try destroying someones life, and being put on the sex offenders list will destroy this girls life, never mind if the judge throws the book at her.  This wasn't a 30 year old, this was someone that went to the same school, hung out with the same people, ate at the same places, reads the same magazines, listens to the same music, and watches the same TV shows.  The problem here is that we are focused on age.  People tend to mature together, this makes her no different then a 17 year old senior.  Of course this is illegal in Florida as well, but again, stupid law.


Hey, if illegal same sex relationships (which this was) opens the door for dialogue on how we should not be putting teenagers on the sex offender registry for life for diddling someone a few years younger than them, then so be it.  Why the kid's parents didn't give her the "14 will give you 25-30" talk (assuming they knew about the relationship at some point ) is beyond me.  I would have hoped that counsel would have informed her of the possible consequences if this case goes to trial.  That being said, being an idiot (or in this case gay) does not give you a "get out of jail free" card.  I have been happily been following the slow reversal of public opinion concerning same sex marriage, and openess to the idea that same sex have rights too.  I also will happily watch the justice system step on this particular teenager if she continues to take the path she is striding down.
 
2013-05-24 08:45:54 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: ObeliskToucher: tinfoil-hat maggie: hardinparamedic: swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.

And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.

I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.

Go on...

No you'll touch your obelisk or something : )


Go on...
 
2013-05-24 08:47:05 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: They get caught? They get grounded, they learn a lesson, and the world keeps on turning. We shouldn't try destroying someones life, and being put on the sex offenders list will destroy this girls life, never mind if the judge throws the book at her. This wasn't a 30 year old, this was someone that went to the same school, hung out with the same people, ate at the same places, reads the same magazines, listens to the same music, and watches the same TV shows. The problem here is that we are focused on age. People tend to mature together, this makes her no different then a 17 year old senior. Of course this is illegal in Florida as well, but again, stupid law.

For adults the legal definition of "Getting grounded" is jail. You do know this right? The boundaries are set at what they are for a reason, you obviously disagree with those reasons but that has nothing to do with what Hunt did.


And if you would have read all my posts you would realize that I never questioned the current legality, but claimed that it should be changed and that parents should take charge here.  You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.  An 18 year old just starting their senior year of high school is not even the same as a 17 starting college yet we treat the former as an adult and the latter as a child.
 
2013-05-24 08:47:06 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?

Don't get caught, but most importantly if you're gonna fark a 14 yr old be 14 yourself.


That's fine until a prosecutor with a bug up his ass decides to go full on against the teenagers.  Hell, it's happened to teenagers who sent "randy" pictures of themselves to friends.  Permanently ruining the life of a teenage girl by putting her on the sex offender list for life because she did something stupid as a child seems about as far from justice as you can get, yet it has happened.
 
2013-05-24 08:48:15 PM

Vector R: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

That's about all they can hope for. I loved this part:
FTA: "It's a situation of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship. If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

Darn right there wouldn't. If it was an 18yo guy, he's be in jail+perm sex offender.


Yup and that right there would be enough for me to consider a conviction. Her lawyer isn't doing her any favors with that argument.
 
2013-05-24 08:49:59 PM
While we're on the subject... does anybody know the statute of limitations for sexual assault of a minor in the State of Texas?

Just curious...
 
2013-05-24 08:50:00 PM

redslippers: tinfoil-hat maggie: hardinparamedic: swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.

And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.

I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.

If both are the same age or close to it, its not that big of a deal as neither party is at a significant advantage.


True, and well as far as I know we were but granted I don't think I ever asked to be sure, we were in the same grade though.
 
2013-05-24 08:51:03 PM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: Is Kaitlyn Hunt's father named Mike?


I know you're joking, but seriously her uncle is Gene Masseth.
 
2013-05-24 08:51:50 PM

Xavier99: dlp211: They get caught?  They get grounded, they learn a lesson, and the world keeps on turning.  We shouldn't try destroying someones life, and being put on the sex offenders list will destroy this girls life, never mind if the judge throws the book at her.  This wasn't a 30 year old, this was someone that went to the same school, hung out with the same people, ate at the same places, reads the same magazines, listens to the same music, and watches the same TV shows.  The problem here is that we are focused on age.  People tend to mature together, this makes her no different then a 17 year old senior.  Of course this is illegal in Florida as well, but again, stupid law.

Hey, if illegal same sex relationships (which this was) opens the door for dialogue on how we should not be putting teenagers on the sex offender registry for life for diddling someone a few years younger than them, then so be it.  Why the kid's parents didn't give her the "14 will give you 25-30" talk (assuming they knew about the relationship at some point ) is beyond me.  I would have hoped that counsel would have informed her of the possible consequences if this case goes to trial.  That being said, being an idiot (or in this case gay) does not give you a "get out of jail free" card.  I have been happily been following the slow reversal of public opinion concerning same sex marriage, and openess to the idea that same sex have rights too.  I also will happily watch the justice system step on this particular teenager if she continues to take the path she is striding down.


I never claimed her being gay has anything to do about why this is stupid.  I specifically pointed out this is stupid whether it is a older guy and girl, or an older girl and a guy, or an older guy and a guy, or an older girl and a girl.
 
2013-05-24 08:52:49 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Vector R: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

That's about all they can hope for. I loved this part:
FTA: "It's a situation of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship. If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

Darn right there wouldn't. If it was an 18yo guy, he's be in jail+perm sex offender.

Yup and that right there would be enough for me to consider a conviction. Her lawyer isn't doing her any favors with that argument.


Especially considering the Hunt's brought on the media attention intentionally. Serious chutzpah, but it's probably going to end up with Kaitlyn in prison for quite some time.
 
2013-05-24 08:53:52 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Vector R: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

That's about all they can hope for. I loved this part:
FTA: "It's a situation of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship. If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

Darn right there wouldn't. If it was an 18yo guy, he's be in jail+perm sex offender.

Yup and that right there would be enough for me to consider a conviction. Her lawyer isn't doing her any favors with that argument.


And trying to pull this with this SA and the judges in this county is self sabatoge. That's why there is no local legal counsel. This is going to be a bloodbath when it hits trial. Brian Workman is no pussy and neither Judge Wild nor Judge Morgan tolerates bullshiat.
 
2013-05-24 08:54:17 PM

dlp211: And if you would have read all my posts you would realize that I never questioned the current legality, but claimed that it should be changed and that parents should take charge here. You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school. An 18 year old just starting their senior year of high school is not even the same as a 17 starting college yet we treat the former as an adult and the latter as a child.


And using your example of a 17 and 18 yo the relationship that we are discussing would be legal between them. Nowhere in the US is a sexual relationship between a 14 and 18 yo legally acceptable (Indian reservations may be an exception due to their unique situations, however I doubt it).
 
2013-05-24 08:54:29 PM

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?

Don't get caught, but most importantly if you're gonna fark a 14 yr old be 14 yourself.

That's fine until a prosecutor with a bug up his ass decides to go full on against the teenagers.  Hell, it's happened to teenagers who sent "randy" pictures of themselves to friends.  Permanently ruining the life of a teenage girl by putting her on the sex offender list for life because she did something stupid as a child seems about as far from justice as you can get, yet it has happened.


Well there's definitely some crazy stuff happening and hell technically I was a criminal up until the SCOTUS decision on sodomy( yes that was about more than anal) so I don't know the world it's crazy sometimes.
 
2013-05-24 08:54:56 PM
AbbeySomeone:

Also, why is an 18 year old just entering freshman year?

I think you meant senior year.  But it is a good question.  Seems like she is older than most seniors.
 
2013-05-24 08:56:24 PM

Puckmarin: On the other hand, had she been male there's no doubt in my mind that most people wouldn't think twice about throwing her in jail to rot.  Based on that fact alone I think she needs to be punished in some way.


The biggest threat people perceive in boy-girl relationships is the possibility of pregnancy.  Maybe lesbian relationships with the young should be viewed as a lesser crime.  Child neglect laws distinguish between negligence that puts children at greater and lesser risks.

But yeah, after reading that affidavit and the law, I'd say Kaitlyn's going down (in a new way).  If she maintains her denial that she did anything culpable, her sentence will be harsher.
 
2013-05-24 08:59:38 PM

AbbeySomeone: Mock26: hardinparamedic:  I also think that it's wrong that a heterosexual couple involved in this could get married and eliminate the issue, and a homosexual couple could not.

Could they, though?  The other girl is only 15.

Florida just needs to legalize gay marriage.

The lives of both of these girls have been ruined by what should have been a private matter. The younger one will be harrassed by her peers and bullied on the likes of FB, Ms. Hunt will be destroyed by predatorial dykes in the slammer. FAIL all around.


The other girl is 14. Even in states where marriage by teens is legal, 14 year olds are to young to marry without parental consent. Good lord this has nothing to do with farking gay marriage (which I support). This has everything to do with an 18 yo. Finger banging a 14 yo in a school bathroom and later getting her to run away to have sex.

How about this...if you are 18 dont fark around with 14 year olds.
 
2013-05-24 08:59:40 PM

Farxist: AbbeySomeone:

Also, why is an 18 year old just entering freshman year?

I think you meant senior year.  But it is a good question.  Seems like she is older than most seniors.


Seems about right to me. My best friend was 18 a few days after we started school our senior year. Mine wasn't until March. The first girl I slept with(and graduated with mind you) wasn't 18 until August of the same year as me. So there is a good mix out there. And this was the 90's.
 
2013-05-24 09:00:17 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And if you would have read all my posts you would realize that I never questioned the current legality, but claimed that it should be changed and that parents should take charge here. You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school. An 18 year old just starting their senior year of high school is not even the same as a 17 starting college yet we treat the former as an adult and the latter as a child.

And using your example of a 17 and 18 yo the relationship that we are discussing would be legal between them. Nowhere in the US is a sexual relationship between a 14 and 18 yo legally acceptable (Indian reservations may be an exception due to their unique situations, however I doubt it).


That wasn't the example that I was making at all, my point is that you can be more mature, in a more responsible status and still be considered a child or you could be less emotionally and psychologically mature and be considered an adult all because of age instead of development.  And to your second point, you are right, and that is stupid.  Not recognizing that an 18 and 14 year old may be a part of the same peer group and thus should be covered under a R&J exception is what I take issue with.
 
2013-05-24 09:01:14 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: mithras_angel: The affidavit has at least one conflict in it. It first states they started a sexual relationship "before Christmas of 2012", and then later states they started a relationship "after Christmas of 2012". Right now, it's worth taking with a grain of salt, at least.

The affidavit says what each party claimed... it's not stating the facts of the relationship.


Yeah, more importantly they both admit the sexual encounters occur and don't disagree on the details.
 
2013-05-24 09:02:13 PM

dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.


And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?
 
2013-05-24 09:03:07 PM
Late one night a cop sees a car parked at the back of a dark parking lot. When the cop approaches the car he sees a man in the front seat and a woman in the back.

The man rolled down his window and the cop asked "what are you doing here?"

The man said "I'm reading a magazine and she's doing a crossword puzzle"

The cop said "Let me see your ID. How old are you?"

They guy handed the cop his driver's license and said "I'm 21."

The cop asked "what about her?"

The guy looked at his watch and said "in about five minutes she'll be 18."
 
2013-05-24 09:03:23 PM
I'm a big believer in equal rights.... if a 18 year old boy had been having sex with my 14 year old daughter, I'd had pressed charges too.  Boy, girl, don't matter, leave your adult hormones away from my underage daughter.
 
2013-05-24 09:04:02 PM

BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?


The law is supposed to prevent it. Knowledge that you go to jail if you bang jail bait is enough to keep most people out of 14 year olds' panties.
 
2013-05-24 09:04:28 PM

Farxist: AbbeySomeone:

Also, why is an 18 year old just entering freshman year?

I think you meant senior year.  But it is a good question.  Seems like she is older than most seniors.


I was 18 when I was in senior year.  It happens when you're birthday is august (which I'm pretty sure it said she was too) and the cutoff point from joining school is.  Basically parents have to decide if they want their kid to be the youngest in the grade or oldest.  Since I'm an irish twin (brother 11 months after), they had us both go to the same grade.

I didn't try boinking Freshmen.  And those that make the "peer group" comments are idiots.  If the younger was a freshman and she was a senior they were a "peer group" for all of a few months (since she was 18 1/2 when charged).

I'm sure this is where those same people support freshman in high school boinking 6th graders, after all, January -> june they were in the same peer group!
 
2013-05-24 09:04:30 PM

dlp211: Juries determine guilt, not punishment.


Exactly. Juries apply the law to a real life specific situation.
 
2013-05-24 09:04:53 PM

Descartes: I'm a big believer in equal rights.... if a 18 year old boy had been having sex with my 14 year old daughter, I'd had pressed charges too.  Boy, girl, don't matter, leave your adult hormones away from my underage daughter.


This. So much this.
 
2013-05-24 09:05:26 PM

redslippers: I wish Fark had a "prevent dumbass" feature that would allow us to ask the mods to insert clarifications at the top of the thread, so that morons would see it BEFORE posting stupid crap that has been corrected 5,412 times.


The worst part is that you don't even have to read the first half of the thread to get the facts. The facts are repeated every 20 posts or so. But some people just come in here, don't read anything and drop an opinion like a turd. Thank you for your original post by the way. If even half of that is presented at trial, she should be toast. I still can't believe she didn't take that gift the prosecutor gave her. She looks a lot less sympathetic when you take away the spin.
 
2013-05-24 09:06:23 PM

redslippers: I wish Fark had a "prevent dumbass" feature that would allow us to ask the mods to insert clarifications at the top of the thread, so that morons would see it BEFORE posting stupid crap that has been corrected 5,412 times.


I'm pretty much with you, pal, but keep in mind that MOST folks (me included) don't read long threads from start-to-finish unless, of course, obsessed or OCD.

Give folks a break lest you be seen as an "internets-weirdo".  Just sayin.....
 
2013-05-24 09:06:53 PM
The parents of the 18 year-old really did their daughter a disservice by not doing the right thing in telling their daughter to leave the younger kid alone. And the daughter is stupid to not take the deal as she's going to get convicted.
 
2013-05-24 09:07:10 PM

BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?


So instead let's throw one in jail.  If you are that hell bent on being a dick of a parent, figure it out and be a parent, you are just going to destroy your relationship with your kid.
 
2013-05-24 09:07:20 PM

redslippers: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

The law is supposed to prevent it. Knowledge that you go to jail if you bang jail bait is enough to keep most people out of 14 year olds' panties.


My point is that parents have great difficulty handling these things without the law's help.  "Just keep your daughter from seeing the other girl" is easier said than done.
 
2013-05-24 09:07:45 PM

redslippers: Igor Jakovsky: Vector R: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

That's about all they can hope for. I loved this part:
FTA: "It's a situation of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship. If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

Darn right there wouldn't. If it was an 18yo guy, he's be in jail+perm sex offender.

Yup and that right there would be enough for me to consider a conviction. Her lawyer isn't doing her any favors with that argument.

And trying to pull this with this SA and the judges in this county is self sabatoge. That's why there is no local legal counsel. This is going to be a bloodbath when it hits trial. Brian Workman is no pussy and neither Judge Wild nor Judge Morgan tolerates bullshiat.


I live one county below you. I've heard about those judges being pretty much hardasses.
 
2013-05-24 09:08:02 PM

OgreMagi: heidinoele: Somthing similar happened to a friend of mine. He started dating a girl when he was 17 and she was 15. When he turned 19 and the girl was 17 the parents got mad and had him prosecuted. He's still trying to get off the sex offender list. It is bullshiat for him and it's bullshiat for this girl.

There was a similar case here in California.  Guy turned 18, his girlfriend was a year younger.  The father pressed charges.  Normally the police would have not bothered, but in this case the father was a cop, so his buddy network took care of things.

Last I heard, the couple is now married with a baby.  The guy is stuck on the sex offender's list so his job prospects are severely limited.  I doubt they have any interaction with daddy dearest.


Who gives a flying fark about THAT guy! He wasn't an attractive lesbian!

/fark our legal system and double standards
 
2013-05-24 09:08:13 PM
I'm finding it very interesting how easily it is to discern parents of teenagers from those who are not from the comments. Those without teenagers don't seem to grasp certain aspects of this at all.
 
2013-05-24 09:08:14 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?

Don't get caught, but most importantly if you're gonna fark a 14 yr old be 14 yourself.

That's fine until a prosecutor with a bug up his ass decides to go full on against the teenagers.  Hell, it's happened to teenagers who sent "randy" pictures of themselves to friends.  Permanently ruining the life of a teenage girl by putting her on the sex offender list for life because she did something stupid as a child seems about as far from justice as you can get, yet it has happened.

Well there's definitely some crazy stuff happening and hell technically I was a criminal up until the SCOTUS decision on sodomy( yes that was about more than anal) so I don't know the world it's crazy sometimes.


Go on ....
 
2013-05-24 09:08:17 PM

Befuddled: The parents of the 18 year-old really did their daughter a disservice by not doing the right thing in telling their daughter to leave the younger kid alone. And the daughter is stupid to not take the deal as she's going to get convicted.


Bottom line  =  THIS.
 
2013-05-24 09:08:34 PM

redslippers: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

The law is supposed to prevent it. Knowledge that you go to jail if you bang jail bait is enough to keep most people out of 14 year olds' panties.


You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.
 
2013-05-24 09:09:58 PM

Begoggle: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: Is Kaitlyn Hunt's father named Mike?

I know you're joking, but seriously her uncle is Gene Masseth.


Oh my... are we doing that again?
 
2013-05-24 09:12:19 PM

Igor Jakovsky: redslippers: I wish Fark had a "prevent dumbass" feature that would allow us to ask the mods to insert clarifications at the top of the thread, so that morons would see it BEFORE posting stupid crap that has been corrected 5,412 times.

The worst part is that you don't even have to read the first half of the thread to get the facts. The facts are repeated every 20 posts or so. But some people just come in here, don't read anything and drop an opinion like a turd. Thank you for your original post by the way. If even half of that is presented at trial, she should be toast. I still can't believe she didn't take that gift the prosecutor gave her. She looks a lot less sympathetic when you take away the spin.


Thanks. I've been following this for a while on local news and with people discussing it locally on facebook, and was very skeptical with the Hunt's version, mostly because I know and have worked with literally all the authorities involved. They worked that rumor mill like a stripper on a pole and it's going to bite them in the ass.
 
2013-05-24 09:13:10 PM

redslippers: I'm finding it very interesting how easily it is to discern parents of teenagers from those who are not from the comments. Those without teenagers don't seem to grasp certain aspects of this at all.


Or perhaps some of us don't white wash our high school years and see everything through rose colored glasses.  I don't have any teenage daughters but I do have two daughters.  I also have a sister-in-law that I have known since she was 9, and she is 16 now who I have spent an immense amount of time around being that my wife's family is Italian.
 
2013-05-24 09:13:34 PM

dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

So instead let's throw one in jail.  If you are that hell bent on being a dick of a parent, figure it out and be a parent, you are just going to destroy your relationship with your kid.


You do realize the 18 got the 14 year old to run away, right? What are you supposed to do at that point but get the law involved?
 
2013-05-24 09:13:39 PM

dlp211: That wasn't the example that I was making at all, my point is that you can be more mature, in a more responsible status and still be considered a child or you could be less emotionally and psychologically mature and be considered an adult all because of age instead of development. And to your second point, you are right, and that is stupid. Not recognizing that an 18 and 14 year old may be a part of the same peer group and thus should be covered under a R&J exception is what I take issue with.


Age and development are almost universally related in the age groups that we are talking about here. Biology is a biatch. Romeo and Juliet laws are written with that in mind. That's why if the younger girl was 16 this would not be an issue. The R&J laws are there to prevent someone who is nominally of age as being considered jailbait right from the start for people a couple of years older than they are. There has to be a lower limit and that limit is 16 years old in most places (although 17 and 18 are the limits in some other states).
 
2013-05-24 09:15:05 PM

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?

Don't get caught, but most importantly if you're gonna fark a 14 yr old be 14 yourself.

That's fine until a prosecutor with a bug up his ass decides to go full on against the teenagers.  Hell, it's happened to teenagers who sent "randy" pictures of themselves to friends.  Permanently ruining the life of a teenage girl by putting her on the sex offender list for life because she did something stupid as a child seems about as far from justice as you can get, yet it has happened.

Well there's definitely some crazy stuff happening and hell technically I was a criminal up until the SCOTUS decision on sodomy( yes that was about more than anal) so I don't know the world it's crazy sometimes.

Go on ....


Well, let's just say what these to girls did is really tame. Granted I always dated people my on age, well till I was in my twenties and started playing with 30 yr olds.
 
2013-05-24 09:15:38 PM

jayphat: dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

So instead let's throw one in jail.  If you are that hell bent on being a dick of a parent, figure it out and be a parent, you are just going to destroy your relationship with your kid.

You do realize the 18 got the 14 year old to run away, right? What are you supposed to do at that point but get the law involved?


OMG a 14 year old ran away because that has never happened in the history of teenagers.
 
2013-05-24 09:16:00 PM

Igor Jakovsky: redslippers: Igor Jakovsky: Vector R: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

That's about all they can hope for. I loved this part:
FTA: "It's a situation of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship. If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

Darn right there wouldn't. If it was an 18yo guy, he's be in jail+perm sex offender.

Yup and that right there would be enough for me to consider a conviction. Her lawyer isn't doing her any favors with that argument.

And trying to pull this with this SA and the judges in this county is self sabatoge. That's why there is no local legal counsel. This is going to be a bloodbath when it hits trial. Brian Workman is no pussy and neither Judge Wild nor Judge Morgan tolerates bullshiat.

I live one county below you. I've heard about those judges being pretty much hardasses.


That is because they are. Red counties like their judges harsh. I've seen Wild sentence a kid to 3 years for having vicodin that he was prescribed in his shirt pocket at a party and not in the bottle. Intent to distribute. I've seen Morgan do similar. They don't like it when counsel gets cute.
 
2013-05-24 09:17:12 PM

dlp211: jayphat: dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

So instead let's throw one in jail.  If you are that hell bent on being a dick of a parent, figure it out and be a parent, you are just going to destroy your relationship with your kid.

You do realize the 18 got the 14 year old to run away, right? What are you supposed to do at that point but get the law involved?

OMG a 14 year old ran away because that has never happened in the history of teenagers.


A 14 year old ran away with a legal adult and performed sex acts on one another. You don't see a problem there?
 
2013-05-24 09:18:43 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?

Don't get caught, but most importantly if you're gonna fark a 14 yr old be 14 yourself.

That's fine until a prosecutor with a bug up his ass decides to go full on against the teenagers.  Hell, it's happened to teenagers who sent "randy" pictures of themselves to friends.  Permanently ruining the life of a teenage girl by putting her on the sex offender list for life because she did something stupid as a child seems about as far from justice as you can get, yet it has happened.

Well there's definitely some crazy stuff happening and hell technically I was a criminal up until the SCOTUS decision on sodomy( yes that was about more than anal) so I don't know the world it's crazy sometimes.

Go on ....

Well, let's just say what these to girls did is really tame. Granted I always dated people my on age, well till I was in my twenties and started playing with 30 yr olds.


Don't think you can shock me.  My second (ex)wife was my ex-girlfriend's girlfriend before we met.  San Francisco.  What can I say?  :D
 
2013-05-24 09:18:57 PM

dlp211: OMG a 14 year old ran away because that has never happened in the history of teenagers.


True... guess we won't worry about it then.

Hey... where does your sister-in-law go to school? No big deal right?!?!
 
2013-05-24 09:19:22 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: That wasn't the example that I was making at all, my point is that you can be more mature, in a more responsible status and still be considered a child or you could be less emotionally and psychologically mature and be considered an adult all because of age instead of development. And to your second point, you are right, and that is stupid. Not recognizing that an 18 and 14 year old may be a part of the same peer group and thus should be covered under a R&J exception is what I take issue with.

Age and development are almost universally related in the age groups that we are talking about here. Biology is a biatch. Romeo and Juliet laws are written with that in mind. That's why if the younger girl was 16 this would not be an issue. The R&J laws are there to prevent someone who is nominally of age as being considered jailbait right from the start for people a couple of years older than they are. There has to be a lower limit and that limit is 16 years old in most places (although 17 and 18 are the limits in some other states).


No, if the younger girl was 16 this wouldn't be an issue because that is considered the age of consent in Florida.  R&J laws carve out exceptions so that those who aren't of the age of consent can still consent within their peer group eg: a 15 year old with an 18 year old.  My problem is with using 18 as an arbitrary line as opposed to a grade difference because while age is an ok predictor of development, what grade you are in is even a better measure.
 
2013-05-24 09:21:43 PM

dlp211: redslippers: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

The law is supposed to prevent it. Knowledge that you go to jail if you bang jail bait is enough to keep most people out of 14 year olds' panties.

You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.


The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?
 
2013-05-24 09:21:47 PM
All I know is that whenever someone claims that they want "equality", the last thing they actually want is "equality".
 
2013-05-24 09:22:22 PM
I swear to Christ there hasn't been an original thought on this subject since the 10th post in the last thread.
 
2013-05-24 09:22:27 PM

jayphat: dlp211: jayphat: dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

So instead let's throw one in jail.  If you are that hell bent on being a dick of a parent, figure it out and be a parent, you are just going to destroy your relationship with your kid.

You do realize the 18 got the 14 year old to run away, right? What are you supposed to do at that point but get the law involved?

OMG a 14 year old ran away because that has never happened in the history of teenagers.

A 14 year old ran away with a legal adult and performed sex acts on one another. You don't see a problem there?


No because I don't see it that way.  I see it as a freshman in HS ran away with a senior in HS and had sex.  14 year olds run away, freshman and seniors have sex, and this stuff has been going on for generations.
 
2013-05-24 09:22:43 PM
Should I be sad that there was absolutely no chance I'd have gotten into the same predicament when I was 18? I mean, one has to have sex to get in trouble. In high school, I'd have settled for a date.

/tiny violin
 
2013-05-24 09:23:44 PM

dlp211: redslippers: I'm finding it very interesting how easily it is to discern parents of teenagers from those who are not from the comments. Those without teenagers don't seem to grasp certain aspects of this at all.

Or perhaps some of us don't white wash our high school years and see everything through rose colored glasses.  I don't have any teenage daughters but I do have two daughters.  I also have a sister-in-law that I have known since she was 9, and she is 16 now who I have spent an immense amount of time around being that my wife's family is Italian.


Until you parent teenagers, or work with them daily, you can't claim to understand them.

I've whitewashed nothing, and you don't know me from Adam, but your supposition that 14 and 18 are not vastly different is stupid.

And up until last November, my older kids WENT TO THE SCHOOL THIS HAPPENED AT.

You are being belligerent. I'm not the only one who disagrees with you. Yet you are getting awfully prickly with me.

And newsflash: while sex happens, there are very few sexually active 14 year olds. Do a little research. I think you'd be surprised.
 
2013-05-24 09:23:45 PM

jayphat: dlp211: jayphat: dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

So instead let's throw one in jail.  If you are that hell bent on being a dick of a parent, figure it out and be a parent, you are just going to destroy your relationship with your kid.

You do realize the 18 got the 14 year old to run away, right? What are you supposed to do at that point but get the law involved?

OMG a 14 year old ran away because that has never happened in the history of teenagers.

A 14 year old  was encouraged by an adult to run away with a legal adult and performed sex acts on one another. You don't see a problem there?


added some detail.
 
2013-05-24 09:24:10 PM
Where are all these people who are defending this girl in the threads where it's about an older guy and a younger girl?

/probably calling for castration of the guy and/or death, I'd imagine
 
2013-05-24 09:25:40 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: dlp211: OMG a 14 year old ran away because that has never happened in the history of teenagers.

True... guess we won't worry about it then.

Hey... where does your sister-in-law go to school? No big deal right?!?!


If you were a senior in HS or a freshman in college, no big deal.  I know she's had sex, I know who's she's had sex with, and there is nothing me, her father, or her mom could do to stop it, because she is a teenage girl.  You may be able to make it very difficult, but there is no way to stop it completely.

Also considering that the age of consent is 16 in my state, there is actually no legal recourse that I could take.
 
2013-05-24 09:26:38 PM

OgreMagi: Don't think you can shock me. My second (ex)wife was my ex-girlfriend's girlfriend before we met. San Francisco. What can I say? :D


Life it's meant to be fun and lived. Same thing kinda happened to me only with a guy, what can I say : )
 
2013-05-24 09:27:11 PM

dlp211: No, if the younger girl was 16 this wouldn't be an issue because that is considered the age of consent in Florida. R&J laws carve out exceptions so that those who aren't of the age of consent can still consent within their peer group eg: a 15 year old with an 18 year old. My problem is with using 18 as an arbitrary line as opposed to a grade difference because while age is an ok predictor of development, what grade you are in is even a better measure.


No R&J laws allow for a 14 yo to have sex with a 18 yo. The exceptions are there for kids who have reached a certain age and 14 ain't it.
 
2013-05-24 09:27:28 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: That wasn't the example that I was making at all, my point is that you can be more mature, in a more responsible status and still be considered a child or you could be less emotionally and psychologically mature and be considered an adult all because of age instead of development. And to your second point, you are right, and that is stupid. Not recognizing that an 18 and 14 year old may be a part of the same peer group and thus should be covered under a R&J exception is what I take issue with.

Age and development are almost universally related in the age groups that we are talking about here. Biology is a biatch. Romeo and Juliet laws are written with that in mind. That's why if the younger girl was 16 this would not be an issue. The R&J laws are there to prevent someone who is nominally of age as being considered jailbait right from the start for people a couple of years older than they are. There has to be a lower limit and that limit is 16 years old in most places (although 17 and 18 are the limits in some other states).


In florida the r&j law is 23-16. I think 23 is pretty generous on the high end. Think about that. A person a year out of college can be consensually involved with a high school junior (maybe sophmore even).
 
2013-05-24 09:28:18 PM

Igor Jakovsky: You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.

The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?


I was talking about the school that redslippers kids go to.  So my point stands, most schools in the US are 9-12 where freshman, soph., juniors and seniors all intermingle, socialize, become friends, have relationships.....
 
2013-05-24 09:29:52 PM

dlp211: No because I don't see it that way. I see it as a freshman in HS ran away with a senior in HS and had sex. 14 year olds run away, freshman and seniors have sex, and this stuff has been going on for generations.


And the "15 will get you 20" rule of thumb has also been around for generations. The 18 year olds that you speak of often end up in jail. That's where this girl belongs.
 
2013-05-24 09:31:03 PM

dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.

The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?

I was talking about the school that redslippers kids go to.  So my point stands, most schools in the US are 9-12 where freshman, soph., juniors and seniors all intermingle, socialize, become friends, have relationships.....


Read reds newer post. Her kids went to THAT school.
 
2013-05-24 09:32:32 PM

dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.

The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?

I was talking about the school that redslippers kids go to.  So my point stands, most schools in the US are 9-12 where freshman, soph., juniors and seniors all intermingle, socialize, become friends, have relationships.....


Yet you ignore where I stated that my kids attended Sebastian High, and that in that school, this is not normal and freshmen and seniors are not hanging out. BTW, at this school, electives are separated into ones available for freshmen/sophomores and those for juniors/seniors. So its hallways and sports, otherwise zero fraternization between freshmen and seniors.
 
2013-05-24 09:33:55 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: That wasn't the example that I was making at all, my point is that you can be more mature, in a more responsible status and still be considered a child or you could be less emotionally and psychologically mature and be considered an adult all because of age instead of development. And to your second point, you are right, and that is stupid. Not recognizing that an 18 and 14 year old may be a part of the same peer group and thus should be covered under a R&J exception is what I take issue with.

Age and development are almost universally related in the age groups that we are talking about here. Biology is a biatch. Romeo and Juliet laws are written with that in mind. That's why if the younger girl was 16 this would not be an issue. The R&J laws are there to prevent someone who is nominally of age as being considered jailbait right from the start for people a couple of years older than they are. There has to be a lower limit and that limit is 16 years old in most places (although 17 and 18 are the limits in some other states).

In florida the r&j law is 23-16. I think 23 is pretty generous on the high end. Think about that. A person a year out of college can be consensually involved with a high school junior (maybe sophmore even).


Actually that isn't a R&J law.  That is an extension to the age of consent law.  R&J laws make exceptions to the age of consent laws:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape#Romeo_and_Juliet_laws
 
2013-05-24 09:33:55 PM

Igor Jakovsky: In florida the r&j law is 23-16. I think 23 is pretty generous on the high end. Think about that. A person a year out of college can be consensually involved with a high school junior (maybe sophmore even).


The laws are there to protect the younger person from being predated upon. The law assumes that by age 16 the person is able to make that decision. 16 is not 14. This is where you're missing the mark and several people (not just myself) have pointed this out to you. You are starting to sound like a kiddie diddler yourself.
 
2013-05-24 09:34:22 PM
Wait, wait.  Isn't Florida one of those states where things lesbians do for sex don't even legally count as sex, especially in rape cases?  If what they're doing isn't really sex then it can't be rape.

Hang on, let me answer my own question:
In general, Florida Statute 794.011 defines Sexual Battery and rape as:

Unconsensual oral, anal, or vaginal physical penetration or union with the sexual organ of a person,ORUnconsensual oral, anal, or vaginal penetration of another person with any object.
 So, if the girl used her fingers or tongue which are neither sexual organs or objects in this sense, then she's good to go. Just say they never used dildos.
 
2013-05-24 09:34:35 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: No because I don't see it that way. I see it as a freshman in HS ran away with a senior in HS and had sex. 14 year olds run away, freshman and seniors have sex, and this stuff has been going on for generations.

And the "15 will get you 20" rule of thumb has also been around for generations. The 18 year olds that you speak of often end up in jail. That's where this girl belongs.


No, some do, most don't and it is stupid.
 
2013-05-24 09:35:13 PM

redslippers: dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.

The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?

I was talking about the school that redslippers kids go to.  So my point stands, most schools in the US are 9-12 where freshman, soph., juniors and seniors all intermingle, socialize, become friends, have relationships.....

Yet you ignore where I stated that my kids attended Sebastian High, and that in that school, this is not normal and freshmen and seniors are not hanging out. BTW, at this school, electives are separated into ones available for freshmen/sophomores and those for juniors/seniors. So its hallways and sports, otherwise zero fraternization between freshmen and seniors.


Okay, so how did they meet?
 
2013-05-24 09:35:20 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: No, if the younger girl was 16 this wouldn't be an issue because that is considered the age of consent in Florida. R&J laws carve out exceptions so that those who aren't of the age of consent can still consent within their peer group eg: a 15 year old with an 18 year old. My problem is with using 18 as an arbitrary line as opposed to a grade difference because while age is an ok predictor of development, what grade you are in is even a better measure.

No R&J laws allow for a 14 yo to have sex with a 18 yo. The exceptions are there for kids who have reached a certain age and 14 ain't it.


Did I ever claim that any R&J law did?  No, I said they should though and they shouldn't be based on age, but by grade.
 
2013-05-24 09:35:52 PM

dlp211: No, some do, most don't and it is stupid.


The ones that get caught and prosecuted do.
 
2013-05-24 09:36:09 PM

hardinparamedic: And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.


except when it isn't

I've known several people that have been sexually abused. I've also known several people that have been sexually active in this alleged DANGAH ZONE of age where it's perfectly farkign normal for hormones to rage enough that these kids seek out real satisfaction.

Sometimes sex is just sex. I'm not saying your crusade isn't founded in reality, I'm saying you need to recognize for ever case that fits your rule there are many (quite possibly much more) cases where it's perfectly normal.

But this is America, and sex is never just sex. It's somehow supposed to be some shameful solemn act and if you dare to think otherwise you must be some perverted freak.

4 years is nothing at any point of the scale. When I was 15 I'd take whatever I could get in the sex dept. because that's what me and my body decided we were going to do. I was never abused by any sense of the term.

When I was 15 she was 18 and it was normal and great. When I was 17 and she was 24 it was also a very normal, natural and very very fun relationship. When I was 21 and she was 17 it was as normal as normal can get. Both our parents were apprehensive but neither (both severe sex-scared right wingers, her dad a pastor on top of that) ever even insinuated it was inappropriate because it so obviously wasn't.

The focus in these situations should always be one of examining intent, consent and a mature or at least comprehensive understanding on the part of the younger of the two parties. When I was 15, 16, 17, I knew what the hell I was doing and seeking out and so did all the other kids my age, male or female. And I also knew damn well when I was 13 and 14... I just could never find a willing volunteer. Ruining peoples lives for what is an otherwise normal relationship is such an outrageous injustice to both the people in question and to society as a whole that it should never be diminished or forgotten.

The law isn't good at making smart decisions. It just makes decisions. It's up to us to form it into something intelligent and appropriate.

I like 4 year gap laws (as long as they are within 4 years) but again you'll find cases where even that is too strictly applied to an otherwise natural and normal relationship.

You'll also find cases of inappropriate relationships that fit within the wording of the law. It goes both ways.

I'm not sure why it's such taboo to point out the ages at which we've been naturally procreating for the last few hundred thousand years. Yes, we're more civilized today and yes the intentions of many of our laws are good and right. This will never change the fact that nothing magical happens to you the night you turn 18 and that laws designed by humans will never be successful in forcing nature to conform.

People are going to be attracted to each other, they are going to get it on and it may frequently happen under situations something don't agree with or find distasteful. This doesn't in and of itself make it criminal or some warning flag. No matter  how many horror stories you can point to to make your case. At least, it doesn't have to be criminal.

And if we are going to have a crusade to de-sexualize everything under 18... it's time to get rid of the internet. Because if you think exposure and participation in sexual activity is wrong under 18, the only responsible thing a civilized society would do considering the availability/accessibility of porn on the internet is to shut the internet down. I mean, are we or are we not permitting the corruption of an entire generation of youth? Is making those images available any less criminal than flashing a kid? Is it ok because there is that "you must be 18" disclaimer?

Oh, but wait, masturbation and checking out porn are the staples of adolescence... however when one of them gets the wise idea to actually DO it, look out. End of the world. They're obviously sex abused mentally ill perverts and/or victims that are going to infect all the other youth with their sex disease!!
 
2013-05-24 09:36:51 PM

gadian: Wait, wait.  Isn't Florida one of those states where things lesbians do for sex don't even legally count as sex, especially in rape cases?  If what they're doing isn't really sex then it can't be rape.

Hang on, let me answer my own question:
In general, Florida Statute 794.011 defines Sexual Battery and rape as:

Unconsensual oral, anal, or vaginal physical penetration or union with the sexual organ of a person,ORUnconsensual oral, anal, or vaginal penetration of another person with any object.
 So, if the girl used her fingers or tongue which are neither sexual organs or objects in this sense, then she's good to go. Just say they never used dildos.


Florida statute 800.04. Please read it, particularly paragraph (5) Lewd and Lascivious Molestation.
 
2013-05-24 09:36:53 PM
Don't be surprised that, turning down the deal, the minor involved may not cooperate...and if the family is religious....they may not be able to handle the pre-trial hearings... the depositions...the sexual nature of the case...the discussion of their minor daughter's vajayjay. Don't be surprised the defense may already be aware of this
 
2013-05-24 09:37:26 PM

skozlaw: Ah, yes. The magical ages of 16, then 18, then 21 where you suddenly become responsible enough to engage in behaviors that were completely out of the question the day before.

/ if you have to place an arbitrary age limit on your law to enforce it, it probably shouldn't be a law


You're right, let me run out and get my 8yr nephew a handgun.
 
2013-05-24 09:38:11 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: redslippers: dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.

The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?

I was talking about the school that redslippers kids go to.  So my point stands, most schools in the US are 9-12 where freshman, soph., juniors and seniors all intermingle, socialize, become friends, have relationships.....

Yet you ignore where I stated that my kids attended Sebastian High, and that in that school, this is not normal and freshmen and seniors are not hanging out. BTW, at this school, electives are separated into ones available for freshmen/sophomores and those for juniors/seniors. So its hallways and sports, otherwise zero fraternization between freshmen and seniors.

Okay, so how did they meet?


Sports.
 
2013-05-24 09:38:36 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: redslippers: dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.

The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?

I was talking about the school that redslippers kids go to.  So my point stands, most schools in the US are 9-12 where freshman, soph., juniors and seniors all intermingle, socialize, become friends, have relationships.....

Yet you ignore where I stated that my kids attended Sebastian High, and that in that school, this is not normal and freshmen and seniors are not hanging out. BTW, at this school, electives are separated into ones available for freshmen/sophomores and those for juniors/seniors. So its hallways and sports, otherwise zero fraternization between freshmen and seniors.

Okay, so how did they meet?


Basketball practice. The older girl played varsity, the younger went out for JV. They met at practice.
 
2013-05-24 09:39:13 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: No, some do, most don't and it is stupid.

The ones that get caught and prosecuted do.


What is your point?  I said some 18 year olds get caught, I also said it was stupid because most don't.  If you are that hellbent on punishing some 18 year old kid, and they are still a kid if they are in high school, make it a misdemeanor, not a felony with a requirement to be a registered sex offender.
 
2013-05-24 09:40:05 PM

dlp211: Did I ever claim that any R&J law did? No, I said they should though and they shouldn't be based on age, but by grade.


Do you realize how stupid that sounds?  There are some kids who are 12 YO going into high school and there are definitely some 19 year olds in the 12th grade. Using your logic it's OK for a 19 YO to have sex with a 12 YO. Age is used for a reason. The only people who complain about it are members of NAMBLA.
 
2013-05-24 09:41:06 PM

FloridaFarkTag: Don't be surprised that, turning down the deal, the minor involved may not cooperate...and if the family is religious....they may not be able to handle the pre-trial hearings... the depositions...the sexual nature of the case...the discussion of their minor daughter's vajayjay. Don't be surprised the defense may already be aware of this


Nope. I know the players involved. They have a solid case and the younger girl is the "cooperating complaining witness" meaning she, not her parents, decided to press charges.
 
2013-05-24 09:41:12 PM

IronOcelot: This is bullshiat since they waited until she was 18 to press charges.
However, I see no way this can work out in favor for the girl.


Legally, probably not.  Financially, on the other hand, this -- especially if she's convicted -- is worth a Lifetime movie, a book deal, and a round on the talk show and speech circuit for LGBT rights. If she's savvy about leveraging this and with her finances, she's set for life.
 
2013-05-24 09:42:17 PM
She needs to go to jail.

The same an 18 yr old man would go to jail for having sex with a 14 yr old girl.
 
2013-05-24 09:42:32 PM

redslippers: Florida statute 800.04. Please read it, particularly paragraph (5) Lewd and Lascivious Molestation.


That very much depends on your definition of lewd and lascivious, doesn't it?

I just so much get a kick out of these states who won't define rape as any object or any part of a person coming into any sexual contact with any non-consensual person.  That way rape would be rape no matter the gender or age of the perpetrator.  It's so easy, but noooo.
 
2013-05-24 09:42:54 PM
Hold on folks---I was suddenly reminded of  "JAMES AT 15"!

/remember the episode with that Swedish girl?
//I'll be in my memory-bunk
 
2013-05-24 09:43:48 PM
And I should at that filing a no information and dropping the case when the witness/victim is reluctant is standard operating procedure in Workman's office. This is going to trial.
 
2013-05-24 09:45:23 PM

gadian: redslippers: Florida statute 800.04. Please read it, particularly paragraph (5) Lewd and Lascivious Molestation.

That very much depends on your definition of lewd and lascivious, doesn't it?

I just so much get a kick out of these states who won't define rape as any object or any part of a person coming into any sexual contact with any non-consensual person.  That way rape would be rape no matter the gender or age of the perpetrator.  It's so easy, but noooo.


Lewd and lascivious is explicitly defined in paragraph (1).
 
2013-05-24 09:45:27 PM
I guess I don't understand the whole situation...starting with the retarded absolutes some farkers love to posit. Two consenting kids farking one another is not rape, statutory or otherwise. While the law may say an 18 year old is an adult, go hang out with one some time - they clearly are not. Also, they go to the same farking high school. HIGH SCHOOL. I am unaware of any actual **adults** attending high school. Those of you yammering your moral outrage remind me of the Harvard homosexuality experiment - the stronger your moral outrage, the more likely you are to need to have a seat with Chris Hanson, right over here.

It can be easily proven the older kid isn't an adult - she still believes in love, and that honesty and good intentions will reign over police and politics. It seems  this could have been avoided by complete, pure denial of the alleged sexual encounter; or, better yet, not a word of anything at all. Any attorneys care to chime in regarding a situationof "she said, she said" in a case like this?
 
2013-05-24 09:45:36 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Huntington Post has a different take on the deal:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/05/24/kaitlyn-hunt-refus e s-plea-deal-gay-teen-charged_n_3331434.html?ir=Gay+Voices


she should have taken the deal. those backwater farks in Fla are going to send her to prison.
 
2013-05-24 09:46:45 PM

Radioactive Ass: You are starting to sound like a kiddie diddler yourself.


Yeah, I'm thinking it's plonk time, here. "Forget all context, one girl is 18 and the other's 15, and therefore it's a-jailin' time for her, and if you disagree with me you're a child molester!".
 
2013-05-24 09:46:53 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: Did I ever claim that any R&J law did? No, I said they should though and they shouldn't be based on age, but by grade.

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?  There are some kids who are 12 YO going into high school and there are definitely some 19 year olds in the 12th grade. Using your logic it's OK for a 19 YO to have sex with a 12 YO. Age is used for a reason. The only people who complain about it are members of NAMBLA.


Wow, we are robots and we can't think through situations, everything must be black and white and there is no way that we can think about these scenarios on there own merits and legislate them.  Nope no way whatsoever.  Or you know, we can recognize this and use a sliding age scale, since the max difference should be 4 years in the normal case, let's go with that.  I never have sat down and thought about all the scenario's, but the one that plays out all to often is a senior 18 year old with some 14/15 year old freshman having the rest of his, and in this instance her life ruined and this is dumb.
 
2013-05-24 09:47:20 PM

gadian: I just so much get a kick out of these states who won't define rape as any object or any part of a person coming into any sexual contact with any non-consensual person. That way rape would be rape no matter the gender or age of the perpetrator. It's so easy, but noooo.


So an accidental elbow to the boob would make someone a sex offender. No thanks.
 
2013-05-24 09:47:49 PM

Holographic Shimmering Pork: I guess I don't understand the whole situation...starting with the retarded absolutes some farkers love to posit. Two consenting kids farking one another is not rape, statutory or otherwise. While the law may say an 18 year old is an adult, go hang out with one some time - they clearly are not. Also, they go to the same farking high school. HIGH SCHOOL. I am unaware of any actual **adults** attending high school. Those of you yammering your moral outrage remind me of the Harvard homosexuality experiment - the stronger your moral outrage, the more likely you are to need to have a seat with Chris Hanson, right over here.

It can be easily proven the older kid isn't an adult - she still believes in love, and that honesty and good intentions will reign over police and politics. It seems  this could have been avoided by complete, pure denial of the alleged sexual encounter; or, better yet, not a word of anything at all. Any attorneys care to chime in regarding a situationof "she said, she said" in a case like this?


And some adults are so immature they might as well be children.

So let's just have some 30 year old farking 15 year olds because hey, same mentality.

And every teacher that ever farked a student should be let off cause SAME HIGH SCHOOL
 
2013-05-24 09:49:19 PM

gadian: redslippers: Florida statute 800.04. Please read it, particularly paragraph (5) Lewd and Lascivious Molestation.

That very much depends on your definition of lewd and lascivious, doesn't it?

I just so much get a kick out of these states who won't define rape as any object or any part of a person coming into any sexual contact with any non-consensual person.  That way rape would be rape no matter the gender or age of the perpetrator.  It's so easy, but noooo.


This also has nothing to do with consent. Florida has very clear rape statutes. This covers sexual contact with a party under the age of consent.

/law. It's not THAT complicated.
//there are thousands of statutes
///forcible rape and sex with a child are not the same and governed under different statutes.
 
2013-05-24 09:49:26 PM
I see it this way...

Two young women (yes, there was a 4-year gap) started a physical relationship.

The rumor-mill did it's job by making sure that every body in school knew that two girls are having sex.  The younger of the two was hurt by the rumors, and certainly taunted.

The coach and other students told the younger girl's parents what was happening.  Young girl is hurt that everybody knows, and feels betrayed by older girl.

Parents involve the law.

Honestly I do not think the parents are doing young girl any favors.  Now this is going to be a lengthy process during which everyone in that high school will know who she is and what she did with the older girl.  She is not going to live this down while still knowing anyone from high school.

How is prosecuting a high school senior (male of female) going to help any freshman get on with her life?

I feel for the freshman.  I was kinda slutty at that age, and I lived with the rumors.  No amount of legal action would have made my life easier.  It was my own actions that put me in that situation, and, even at 14, I knew that at the time.
 
2013-05-24 09:49:41 PM

that bosnian sniper: Yeah, I'm thinking it's plonk time, here. "Forget all context, one girl is 18 and the other's 15, and therefore it's a-jailin' time for her, and if you disagree with me you're a child molester!".


Fourteen. Read the thread.
 
2013-05-24 09:50:28 PM

hammer85: Holographic Shimmering Pork: I guess I don't understand the whole situation...starting with the retarded absolutes some farkers love to posit. Two consenting kids farking one another is not rape, statutory or otherwise. While the law may say an 18 year old is an adult, go hang out with one some time - they clearly are not. Also, they go to the same farking high school. HIGH SCHOOL. I am unaware of any actual **adults** attending high school. Those of you yammering your moral outrage remind me of the Harvard homosexuality experiment - the stronger your moral outrage, the more likely you are to need to have a seat with Chris Hanson, right over here.

It can be easily proven the older kid isn't an adult - she still believes in love, and that honesty and good intentions will reign over police and politics. It seems  this could have been avoided by complete, pure denial of the alleged sexual encounter; or, better yet, not a word of anything at all. Any attorneys care to chime in regarding a situationof "she said, she said" in a case like this?

And some adults are so immature they might as well be children.

So let's just have some 30 year old farking 15 year olds because hey, same mentality.

And every teacher that ever farked a student should be let off cause SAME HIGH SCHOOL


Are you retarded, do you lack critical thinking skills.
 
2013-05-24 09:51:14 PM

that bosnian sniper: Radioactive Ass: You are starting to sound like a kiddie diddler yourself.

Yeah, I'm thinking it's plonk time, here. "Forget all context, one girl is 18 and the other's 15, and therefore it's a-jailin' time for her, and if you disagree with me you're a child molester!".


The kid was FOURTEEN. That isn't legal anywhere. How hard is this to grasp?
 
2013-05-24 09:52:01 PM

Radioactive Ass: Igor Jakovsky: In florida the r&j law is 23-16. I think 23 is pretty generous on the high end. Think about that. A person a year out of college can be consensually involved with a high school junior (maybe sophmore even).

The laws are there to protect the younger person from being predated upon. The law assumes that by age 16 the person is able to make that decision. 16 is not 14. This is where you're missing the mark and several people (not just myself) have pointed this out to you. You are starting to sound like a kiddie diddler yourself.


What are you talking about. I think she should be in jail just like any other 18 year old who is shtupping a 14 year old. Either you have me confused with someone else or are not reading my posts. I only brought up Florida's 23-16 law was because I thought the upper limit was to high. My second point was that I found it bizarre that someone out of college could legally have sex with a high school sophomore.
 
2013-05-24 09:52:06 PM

Loris: I see it this way...

Two young women (yes, there was a 4-year gap) started a physical relationship.


Nothing you said after this matters.
 
2013-05-24 09:52:08 PM
Apparently the 14 year old parent spoke up about this relationship. They said the relationship didn't start until she was 18 and they told her a couple of time to knock it off.
Beware this is The blaze website, so feel free to flame it all you want but it's the parent side of the affair.If this is accurate and with gays demanding equal rights in society, great I'm all in for it but live like the rest of us in the eyes of the law.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/24/theres-a-major-twist-in-t he -story-about-a-high-school-students-lesbian-relationship-with-a-minor- as-younger-teens-parents-drop-alleged-bombshell/
 
2013-05-24 09:53:06 PM

Radioactive Ass: gadian: I just so much get a kick out of these states who won't define rape as any object or any part of a person coming into any sexual contact with any non-consensual person. That way rape would be rape no matter the gender or age of the perpetrator. It's so easy, but noooo.

So an accidental elbow to the boob would make someone a sex offender. No thanks.


Only if you did it in such a way that made someone scream rape (Joking).  Seriously though, I wasn't using precise language and meant penetration when I said contact. I was more roughly, vaguely describing the newer federal definition of rape, which, in my opinion, every state should be required to adopt immediately.  There should be no dispute of what rape is anywhere, at any time.
 
2013-05-24 09:53:57 PM

dlp211: Wow, we are robots and we can't think through situations, everything must be black and white and there is no way that we can think about these scenarios on there own merits and legislate them. Nope no way whatsoever. Or you know, we can recognize this and use a sliding age scale, since the max difference should be 4 years in the normal case, let's go with that. I never have sat down and thought about all the scenario's, but the one that plays out all to often is a senior 18 year old with some 14/15 year old freshman having the rest of his, and in this instance her life ruined and this is dumb.


So a 16 year old should be able to have sex with a 12 year old? How about 14-10? The laws are set at 16 for a reason. It's assumed that by age 16 someone has enough sense to make that decision. Why don't you go find some child psychologists that support your stance.
 
2013-05-24 09:54:51 PM

Brostorm: Loris: I see it this way...

Two young women (yes, there was a 4-year gap) started a physical relationship.

Nothing you said after this matters.


She talked about being a slutty 14yo... that matters.
 
2013-05-24 09:55:08 PM

dlp211: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: No, if the younger girl was 16 this wouldn't be an issue because that is considered the age of consent in Florida. R&J laws carve out exceptions so that those who aren't of the age of consent can still consent within their peer group eg: a 15 year old with an 18 year old. My problem is with using 18 as an arbitrary line as opposed to a grade difference because while age is an ok predictor of development, what grade you are in is even a better measure.

No R&J laws allow for a 14 yo to have sex with a 18 yo. The exceptions are there for kids who have reached a certain age and 14 ain't it.

Did I ever claim that any R&J law did?  No, I said they should though and they shouldn't be based on age, but by grade.


Why grade? What of the 19 or 20 year old senior who was held back. What of a 13 year old freshman who skipped a grade?
 
2013-05-24 09:55:26 PM

redslippers: Basketball practice. The older girl played varsity, the younger went out for JV. They met at practice.


Okay, I read that in an article awhile back but well with all the crazy non-facts out there, well wasn't sure anymore.
 
2013-05-24 09:55:49 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Radioactive Ass: Igor Jakovsky: In florida the r&j law is 23-16. I think 23 is pretty generous on the high end. Think about that. A person a year out of college can be consensually involved with a high school junior (maybe sophmore even).

The laws are there to protect the younger person from being predated upon. The law assumes that by age 16 the person is able to make that decision. 16 is not 14. This is where you're missing the mark and several people (not just myself) have pointed this out to you. You are starting to sound like a kiddie diddler yourself.

What are you talking about. I think she should be in jail just like any other 18 year old who is shtupping a 14 year old. Either you have me confused with someone else or are not reading my posts. I only brought up Florida's 23-16 law was because I thought the upper limit was to high. My second point was that I found it bizarre that someone out of college could legally have sex with a high school sophomore.


You do realize that 16 is the age of consent in most states and that there is no upper bound on the age.
 
2013-05-24 09:56:56 PM

Igor Jakovsky: dlp211: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: No, if the younger girl was 16 this wouldn't be an issue because that is considered the age of consent in Florida. R&J laws carve out exceptions so that those who aren't of the age of consent can still consent within their peer group eg: a 15 year old with an 18 year old. My problem is with using 18 as an arbitrary line as opposed to a grade difference because while age is an ok predictor of development, what grade you are in is even a better measure.

No R&J laws allow for a 14 yo to have sex with a 18 yo. The exceptions are there for kids who have reached a certain age and 14 ain't it.

Did I ever claim that any R&J law did?  No, I said they should though and they shouldn't be based on age, but by grade.

Why grade? What of the 19 or 20 year old senior who was held back. What of a 13 year old freshman who skipped a grade?


Read my other posts, I addressed this already.
 
2013-05-24 09:57:30 PM

Sagus: Apparently the 14 year old parent spoke up about this relationship. They said the relationship didn't start until she was 18 and they told her a couple of time to knock it off.
Beware this is The blaze website, so feel free to flame it all you want but it's the parent side of the affair.If this is accurate and with gays demanding equal rights in society, great I'm all in for it but live like the rest of us in the eyes of the law.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/24/theres-a-major-twist-in-t he -story-about-a-high-school-students-lesbian-relationship-with-a-minor- as-younger-teens-parents-drop-alleged-bombshell/


That is similar to what I have heard from people who work at the school and neighbors of the parents, for a while, so I don't doubt the accuracy. People who know then have been very confused by claims that they are antigay bigots.
 
2013-05-24 09:58:29 PM

Loris: I see it this way...

Two young women (yes, there was a 4-year gap) started a physical relationship.

The rumor-mill did it's job by making sure that every body in school knew that two girls are having sex.  The younger of the two was hurt by the rumors, and certainly taunted.

The coach and other students told the younger girl's parents what was happening.  Young girl is hurt that everybody knows, and feels betrayed by older girl.

Parents involve the law.

Honestly I do not think the parents are doing young girl any favors.  Now this is going to be a lengthy process during which everyone in that high school will know who she is and what she did with the older girl.  She is not going to live this down while still knowing anyone from high school.

How is prosecuting a high school senior (male of female) going to help any freshman get on with her life?

I feel for the freshman.  I was kinda slutty at that age, and I lived with the rumors.  No amount of legal action would have made my life easier.  It was my own actions that put me in that situation, and, even at 14, I knew that at the time.


Well said, the whole situation is sad.
 
2013-05-24 09:59:02 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: Wow, we are robots and we can't think through situations, everything must be black and white and there is no way that we can think about these scenarios on there own merits and legislate them. Nope no way whatsoever. Or you know, we can recognize this and use a sliding age scale, since the max difference should be 4 years in the normal case, let's go with that. I never have sat down and thought about all the scenario's, but the one that plays out all to often is a senior 18 year old with some 14/15 year old freshman having the rest of his, and in this instance her life ruined and this is dumb.

So a 16 year old should be able to have sex with a 12 year old? How about 14-10? The laws are set at 16 for a reason. It's assumed that by age 16 someone has enough sense to make that decision. Why don't you go find some child psychologists that support your stance.


Wow, did you read my post.  What I write is not meant to be complete legislation.  In order to do that would require people to sit down and discuss all these issues and actually craft intelligent legislation instead of just saying "18 go to jail".
 
2013-05-24 09:59:20 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: While we're on the subject... does anybody know the statute of limitations for sexual assault of a minor in the State of Texas?

Just curious...


In Texas? No limitation. It's forever.
 
2013-05-24 10:01:24 PM

hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.


And that's why almost all our current DAs should be shot into the sun.

Our legal system is so farked up pleading guilty to something that is only illegal because lawmakers are farking retarded is better and cheaper than being innocent of wrong doing.

FARK THAT. We need to fix this system so plea deals and settlements are never the best option.
 
2013-05-24 10:03:39 PM

Holographic Shimmering Pork: Two consenting kids farking one another is not rape, statutory or otherwise.


You do understand what "statutory rape" means, don't you?
 
2013-05-24 10:03:50 PM

redslippers: I'm going to ignore what  that bosnian sniperactually had to say and go full asspie over a typo.


You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.
 
2013-05-24 10:04:16 PM

doglover: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

And that's why almost all our current DAs should be shot into the sun.

Our legal system is so farked up pleading guilty to something that is only illegal because lawmakers are farking retarded is better and cheaper than being innocent of wrong doing.

FARK THAT. We need to fix this system so plea deals and settlements are never the best option.


Only she's not innocent of wrongdoing. She was having sex with a very underage girl, was warned more than once, then convinced the kid to run away for a night of hot lesbian love. The plea was a gift.
 
2013-05-24 10:05:15 PM
Switch this with 18 year old black guy has sex with 14 year old girl, and why it should be okay in that case. Have some one your own age, biatch.
 
2013-05-24 10:05:51 PM

antiFodder: Pray 4 Mojo: While we're on the subject... does anybody know the statute of limitations for sexual assault of a minor in the State of Texas?

Just curious...

In Texas? No limitation. It's forever.


Hmmm... That's bad.
 
2013-05-24 10:06:23 PM

muck4doo: Switch this with 18 year old black guy has sex with 14 year old girl, and why it should be okay in that case. Have some one your own age, biatch.


Wow...just...I...yea...
 
2013-05-24 10:07:13 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: antiFodder: Pray 4 Mojo: While we're on the subject... does anybody know the statute of limitations for sexual assault of a minor in the State of Texas?

Just curious...

In Texas? No limitation. It's forever.

Hmmm... That's bad.


What did you do, now?
 
2013-05-24 10:07:46 PM

Omahawg:


You always make threads a little happier.
 
2013-05-24 10:07:56 PM

that bosnian sniper: redslippers: I'm going to ignore what  that bosnian sniperactually had to say and go full asspie over a typo.

You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.


I pointed it out as that has been repeated continually in this thread. But thanks for ignoring that context.
 
2013-05-24 10:08:09 PM

dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: dlp211: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: No, if the younger girl was 16 this wouldn't be an issue because that is considered the age of consent in Florida. R&J laws carve out exceptions so that those who aren't of the age of consent can still consent within their peer group eg: a 15 year old with an 18 year old. My problem is with using 18 as an arbitrary line as opposed to a grade difference because while age is an ok predictor of development, what grade you are in is even a better measure.

No R&J laws allow for a 14 yo to have sex with a 18 yo. The exceptions are there for kids who have reached a certain age and 14 ain't it.

Did I ever claim that any R&J law did?  No, I said they should though and they shouldn't be based on age, but by grade.

Why grade? What of the 19 or 20 year old senior who was held back. What of a 13 year old freshman who skipped a grade?

Read my other posts, I addressed this already.


I saw you moved the goalposts from grade to sliding age scale after someone else posted something similar to what i said. Granted I did read that post after the fact.
 
2013-05-24 10:08:31 PM

heidinoele: Somthing similar happened to a friend of mine. He started dating a girl when he was 17 and she was 15. When he turned 19 and the girl was 17 the parents got mad and had him prosecuted. He's still trying to get off the sex offender list. It is bullshiat for him and it's bullshiat for this girl.


14 is a lot different than 17.
 
2013-05-24 10:08:59 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: [i.imgur.com image 850x733]


sneaky
 
2013-05-24 10:08:59 PM

redslippers: Let me clarify a few things:

This girl was 18 when she started dating the younger girl. The relationship started in November. Hunt turned 18 in August. The victim was 14 the entire time.

The Hunts have purposely spread misinformation regarding the circumstances in order to gain public sympathy and make it appear to the less informed that the situation was ridiculous. The statements they have made regarding the length of the relationship were false, the statements regarding age were false. They manipulated the public to create outcry where there should be none.

The girls started dating in November, and the victims parents were unaware. There was a sexual encounter where Hunt inserted her finger in the victim's vagina in a school bathroom in December, then a similar incident in January. Hunt helped the 14 year old girl run away overnight in January, at this point with full knowledge that the girls parents were not having it. She then had much more, ahem, comprehensive sex with the victim. The parents tried to stop the relationship, but when they found out, through nasty rumours at the school, and the 14 year old upset that she was being leered at by boys and treated like meat by the male students, they called the police. Hunt was arrested by mid February. The victim is a "cooperative complaining witness" and the sheriff and state attorney have made clear that the victim wants the prosecution to move forward, as well as the parents.

She was not expelled from school, which is another misleading statement made by the Hunts. She was moved to the alternative school and will be allowed to walk with her class. Male students in the same situation have been expelled, and students where age was not an issue who've had sex on campus have been expelled as well.

My best friend lives next door to the victim. The girl was well adjusted and fine until this. Now she is in therapy, depressed, acting out, etc.

The law is very clear, she violated it, in more ways than one, and any ...


Wow, what a bunch of horseshiat. "What the girl is going through??" She liked having her junk rubbed, like every other 14yo human ever in the 200,000 year history of 14yo humans. On the contrary, it's people exactly like you who are causing the girl problems. I would bet the farm that the younger girl was just fine until every single authority in her life figure began treating/calling her a victim. I've seen full grown, educated and intelligent adults fall into the victim trap; with this type of attention, sympathy and pressure placed on a 14 year old child, I'd be amazed if they *didn't* retcon every experience since birth in order to regain their confort zone and acceptance.

This is all about repressed adults transferring their own outdated, morally ossified bullshiat; please tell, exactly - what they are protecting her **from**? What is the actual point? Not the legal point - the current laws are anachronistic and reactionary, with effectively zero social merit. No, what is the real, tangible point of this type of prosecution?
 
2013-05-24 10:09:05 PM
Just a general rule of thumb that many seem to forget. What is the youngest age you should be messing with? Divide your age in half, and add seven years. Watch the laws in your state. If you are 40, you shouldn't be bothering with those younger than 27 seriously.
 
2013-05-24 10:09:45 PM

dlp211: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: Wow, we are robots and we can't think through situations, everything must be black and white and there is no way that we can think about these scenarios on there own merits and legislate them. Nope no way whatsoever. Or you know, we can recognize this and use a sliding age scale, since the max difference should be 4 years in the normal case, let's go with that. I never have sat down and thought about all the scenario's, but the one that plays out all to often is a senior 18 year old with some 14/15 year old freshman having the rest of his, and in this instance her life ruined and this is dumb.

So a 16 year old should be able to have sex with a 12 year old? How about 14-10? The laws are set at 16 for a reason. It's assumed that by age 16 someone has enough sense to make that decision. Why don't you go find some child psychologists that support your stance.

Wow, did you read my post.  What I write is not meant to be complete legislation.  In order to do that would require people to sit down and discuss all these issues and actually craft intelligent legislation instead of just saying "18 go to jail".


You have the political sophistication of the Star Wars prequels.

Also, Kate was warned. So were her parents. In fact, the more I see of the lies and manipulations they are throwing about, the more predatory they seem. Begging off on ignorance and emotion and accepting the plea deal, that would have been the right response to the facts. This disinformation game they are playing? Doesn't add up.
 
2013-05-24 10:10:04 PM

Igor Jakovsky: dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: dlp211: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: No, if the younger girl was 16 this wouldn't be an issue because that is considered the age of consent in Florida. R&J laws carve out exceptions so that those who aren't of the age of consent can still consent within their peer group eg: a 15 year old with an 18 year old. My problem is with using 18 as an arbitrary line as opposed to a grade difference because while age is an ok predictor of development, what grade you are in is even a better measure.

No R&J laws allow for a 14 yo to have sex with a 18 yo. The exceptions are there for kids who have reached a certain age and 14 ain't it.

Did I ever claim that any R&J law did?  No, I said they should though and they shouldn't be based on age, but by grade.

Why grade? What of the 19 or 20 year old senior who was held back. What of a 13 year old freshman who skipped a grade?

Read my other posts, I addressed this already.

I saw you moved the goalposts from grade to sliding age scale after someone else posted something similar to what i said. Granted I did read that post after the fact.


Do you know what moving the goalposts means?  I didn't move the goal posts, I refined the solution to account for outliers, you know, something that intelligent people do when presented with new information.
 
2013-05-24 10:10:13 PM

redslippers: doglover: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

And that's why almost all our current DAs should be shot into the sun.

Our legal system is so farked up pleading guilty to something that is only illegal because lawmakers are farking retarded is better and cheaper than being innocent of wrong doing.

FARK THAT. We need to fix this system so plea deals and settlements are never the best option.

Only she's not innocent of wrongdoing. She was having sex with a very underage girl, was warned more than once, then convinced the kid to run away for a night of hot lesbian love. The plea was a gift.


Well, that's for a jury to decide now. Oh and I got arrested in my bed at home for being a runaway when I was 16 so well. Oh and it was cause I left the house the night before for hot lesbian sex without permission : )
/Crazy times
 
2013-05-24 10:10:52 PM

dlp211: muck4doo: Switch this with 18 year old black guy has sex with 14 year old girl, and why it should be okay in that case. Have some one your own age, biatch.

Wow...just...I...yea...


What's the difference? It should be okay because she is lesbian?
 
2013-05-24 10:11:10 PM

muck4doo: Just a general rule of thumb that many seem to forget. What is the youngest age you should be messing with? Divide your age in half, and add seven years. Watch the laws in your state. If you are 40, you shouldn't be bothering with those younger than 27 seriously.


Don't tell me how to live my life. There's still a chance I'll bag a 19 year old hottie!

/no. no there's not :(
 
2013-05-24 10:11:21 PM
Holy crap I just checked some other sites.  The massive disinfo campaign has been a major success.  Kudos to the Hunt family, this takes skill.
 
2013-05-24 10:12:17 PM

Boojum2k: You have the political sophistication of the Star Wars prequels.


lol wat?
 
2013-05-24 10:12:38 PM

WhippingBoy: Pray 4 Mojo: antiFodder: Pray 4 Mojo: While we're on the subject... does anybody know the statute of limitations for sexual assault of a minor in the State of Texas?

Just curious...

In Texas? No limitation. It's forever.

Hmmm... That's bad.

What did you do, now?


My friend didn't ask for ID... or ask at all... and he really should have.
 
2013-05-24 10:12:41 PM

that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.


When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.
 
2013-05-24 10:13:05 PM

dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: dlp211: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: No, if the younger girl was 16 this wouldn't be an issue because that is considered the age of consent in Florida. R&J laws carve out exceptions so that those who aren't of the age of consent can still consent within their peer group eg: a 15 year old with an 18 year old. My problem is with using 18 as an arbitrary line as opposed to a grade difference because while age is an ok predictor of development, what grade you are in is even a better measure.

No R&J laws allow for a 14 yo to have sex with a 18 yo. The exceptions are there for kids who have reached a certain age and 14 ain't it.

Did I ever claim that any R&J law did?  No, I said they should though and they shouldn't be based on age, but by grade.

Why grade? What of the 19 or 20 year old senior who was held back. What of a 13 year old freshman who skipped a grade?

Read my other posts, I addressed this already.

I saw you moved the goalposts from grade to sliding age scale after someone else posted something similar to what i said. Granted I did read that post after the fact.

Do you know what moving the goalposts means?  I didn't move the goal posts, I refined the solution to account for outliers, you know, something that intelligent people do when presented with new information.


From what I seen child molesting is okay with you as long as it is homosexuality that's going on. I hope I'm wrong.
 
2013-05-24 10:13:08 PM

muck4doo: dlp211: muck4doo: Switch this with 18 year old black guy has sex with 14 year old girl, and why it should be okay in that case. Have some one your own age, biatch.

Wow...just...I...yea...

What's the difference? It should be okay because she is lesbian?


No I am fine with it.  I just don't understand why you had to throw in the racial undertones.
 
2013-05-24 10:14:31 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: WhippingBoy: Pray 4 Mojo: antiFodder: Pray 4 Mojo: While we're on the subject... does anybody know the statute of limitations for sexual assault of a minor in the State of Texas?

Just curious...

In Texas? No limitation. It's forever.

Hmmm... That's bad.

What did you do, now?

My friend didn't ask for ID... or ask at all... and he really should have.


I know what you mean. That happened to "my friend" back when I was young and stupid.
 
2013-05-24 10:14:37 PM

dlp211: muck4doo: dlp211: muck4doo: Switch this with 18 year old black guy has sex with 14 year old girl, and why it should be okay in that case. Have some one your own age, biatch.

Wow...just...I...yea...

What's the difference? It should be okay because she is lesbian?

No I am fine with it.  I just don't understand why you had to throw in the racial undertones.


The racial undertones came in because this girl thinks her sexuality should make a difference in this case.
 
2013-05-24 10:14:53 PM

megarian: Omahawg:

You always make threads a little happier.


He's a good guy, I like him : )
 
2013-05-24 10:15:04 PM

runescorpio: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

Thats still 2 years of her life for being in a relationship that started out as legal. Letter of the law people are the reason western society is crumbling around the edges. There is no leeway for circumstance. No mercy for petty issues.
Making someones way of life illegal simply because they had a birthday and the law says that makes them an adult to me screams ignorance and for the most part indicates a broken legal system.


But under Florida law, it has never been legal for them to have sex with each other. It is NEVER legal for kids under 16 to have sex, even with other kids of the same age. While I'm not saying the law is just, I am afraid I'm getting awfully annoyed at people complaining that she's only being prosecuted because she's now 18.  I believe the law should change, but unless and until it does, every kid in Florida should have it drilled into their head that sex with someone under sixteen, even if both parties are under 16, could result in criminal charges.
 
2013-05-24 10:15:41 PM

muck4doo: Just a general rule of thumb that many seem to forget. What is the youngest age you should be messing with? Divide your age in half, and add seven years. Watch the laws in your state. If you are 40, you shouldn't be bothering with those younger than 27 seriously.


Nope.  The youngest age you should be messing with is 18.
 
2013-05-24 10:15:58 PM

muck4doo: From what I seen child molesting is okay with you as long as it is homosexuality that's going on. I hope I'm wrong.


I don't know where you ever got the impression that I am only defending hunt because she is a lesbian, but you are wrong.  I think I have been pretty clear that I think this should apply equally to 18 year old boys who are seniors in high school having relationships with 14/15 year old freshman girls.
 
2013-05-24 10:16:26 PM

WhippingBoy: muck4doo: Just a general rule of thumb that many seem to forget. What is the youngest age you should be messing with? Divide your age in half, and add seven years. Watch the laws in your state. If you are 40, you shouldn't be bothering with those younger than 27 seriously.

Don't tell me how to live my life. There's still a chance I'll bag a 19 year old hottie!

/no. no there's not :(


Have all the fun you want, just don't take anything seriously.

/19 year old girl and 40 year old guy usually won't have much in common.
 
2013-05-24 10:18:12 PM

Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.


No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?
 
2013-05-24 10:18:22 PM

muck4doo: WhippingBoy: muck4doo: Just a general rule of thumb that many seem to forget. What is the youngest age you should be messing with? Divide your age in half, and add seven years. Watch the laws in your state. If you are 40, you shouldn't be bothering with those younger than 27 seriously.

Don't tell me how to live my life. There's still a chance I'll bag a 19 year old hottie!

/no. no there's not :(

Have all the fun you want, just don't take anything seriously.

/19 year old girl and 40 year old guy usually won't have much in common.


Hey, as long as she doesn't talk, it's all good.
 
2013-05-24 10:19:02 PM

dlp211: muck4doo: From what I seen child molesting is okay with you as long as it is homosexuality that's going on. I hope I'm wrong.

I don't know where you ever got the impression that I am only defending hunt because she is a lesbian, but you are wrong.  I think I have been pretty clear that I think this should apply equally to 18 year old boys who are seniors in high school having relationships with 14/15 year old freshman girls.


Fair enough. I still disagree though. 14/15 year olds still don't know what they are doing. That doesn't matter if the person taking advantage of them is 18 or 21.
 
2013-05-24 10:19:03 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?


What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.
 
2013-05-24 10:19:03 PM

WhippingBoy: Pray 4 Mojo: WhippingBoy: Pray 4 Mojo: antiFodder: Pray 4 Mojo: While we're on the subject... does anybody know the statute of limitations for sexual assault of a minor in the State of Texas?

Just curious...

In Texas? No limitation. It's forever.

Hmmm... That's bad.

What did you do, now?

My friend didn't ask for ID... or ask at all... and he really should have.

I know what you mean. That happened to "my friend" back when I was young and stupid.


Yeah...

"Crazy night huh? Yeah, I can give you a ride to school. What college do you go to? Oh, I see... is that like a junior college or tech school or something? It's not huh. Well then... I... uhhh... Gotta go!"
 
2013-05-24 10:21:04 PM

WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.


A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.
 
2013-05-24 10:22:55 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.


When does the adult age start to you?
 
2013-05-24 10:24:54 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.


A stupid teen who probably wouldn't have been prosecuted, or seriously investigated, unless the "victim's" parents were cops, politicians, rich, or knew one of the above groups?
 
2013-05-24 10:24:57 PM
She's playing the "Gay Card"
 
2013-05-24 10:26:21 PM

muck4doo: When does the adult age start to you?


When I was 16... I woulda said 16 or 17... now that I'm waaaaaay past that... I'd say it's about 29 or 30.

... and never for a lot of people.
 
2013-05-24 10:26:25 PM

MyToeHurts: She's playing the "Gay Card"


The Queen of Hearts?

/knowing it ain't really smart
 
2013-05-24 10:27:01 PM

birdistasty: The child in me can't stop laughing at her name.  The last place my husband worked at, there was a guy there named Todd Watkins.  His company-created email address turned out to be twatkins[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]emanynapmoc[* image 7x13]com (which also made me giggle).  This woman's name would be khunt.

/ok, I think maybe it's just the meds?
//or I just have a ten year old's sense of humor..


Not as bad as the doc I encountered with an e-mail of kum.

redslippers: And an older person, boy or girl, who is a legal adult, should have no interest in a fourteen year old. The vast majority of these situations are predatory. There is a grossly uneven power dynamic between the parties and the younger is at a significant disadvantage. The law recognizes this, and the law is there because society recognizes this.


Usually there is a power problem.  However, these two were peers because the younger one was well above her grade level.

Tommy Moo: I don't know. The problem with the law is that there's no grey area, but in the real world there is. There are age gaps where it starts to get kinda creepy and maybe sorta inappropriate, but to the law, you are either guilty as sin or pure as the driven snow. Over 20 with a 14 year old and I'd say lock her up, and I'd dare anyone to try to make it about homophobia. But at the same time, if this was 17/14 I don't think anyone would care. The power balance in their relationship didn't suddenly, dramatically shift on the day this girl turned 18.


THIS.

I think what she did was wrong but I don't think it warrants anything like the punishment the law dictates.

redslippers: They were not "part of the same peer group". How much time have you spent around teenagers lately? How much time immersed in a high school? It is scandalous for a senior to date a freshman. These girls were not buddies all along, they JUST MET. Seniors and freshmen do not share classes, they do not haunt the same social circles, they are not "peers". Seniors and Juniors, that argument holds valid. Juniors and sophomores, there is overlap. Sophomores and freshmen, some overlap. And there is the occasional senior dating an older sophomore.


A 14 year old on the same team as an 18 year old.  Not to mention the 14 year old was in some classes well above her grade level.

As a freshman I had a class in which everyone else was a junior or senior.  As a sophomore I was taking two classes at the community college.

bigwf2007: I'd say jury nullification is her only hope. I can see maybe convincing one or two jurors that this really is all about her being a lesbian and not about her being an adult molesting a 14-year-old. But I just can't see her convincing an entire jury, even in Florida, to overlook both the law and the facts of the case.


All it takes is one to hang the jury.  It also isn't just a matter of overlooking the facts--I would probably vote not guilty because I feel the law dictates a punishment that's far too harsh for what she did.
 
2013-05-24 10:27:26 PM
Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.
 
2013-05-24 10:27:52 PM
Kate should have remembered the simple test for if a 14 year old girl is mature enough to have sec with an 18yo. If she says "we should wait a few years so you aren't in danger of jail, and we are both worth waiting for" then she's mature enough. If she says "diddle me in the bathroom now" she's jailbait and you're going to ruin your life.
 
2013-05-24 10:28:33 PM

Xavier99: Hey - I am all about equality.  If it illegal for heterosexual couples to have a relationship with that age difference (where one side is a minor) why should it be any different for a same sex relationship?  (Gal should have taken the plea).


I feel the exact same way. That was a very generous plea deal.
 
2013-05-24 10:28:41 PM

redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl


Not under any sane legal system.
 
2013-05-24 10:29:08 PM

muck4doo: 19 year old girl and 40 year old guy usually won't have much in common.


Depends on the size of his bank account and her assets.
 
2013-05-24 10:30:14 PM

muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?


When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.
 
2013-05-24 10:30:19 PM

cybrwzrd: Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.


Wonder why none of them stayed with you.
 
2013-05-24 10:30:33 PM

BizarreMan: muck4doo: 19 year old girl and 40 year old guy usually won't have much in common.

Depends on the size of his bank account and her assets.


And that's what makes it so beautiful.
 
2013-05-24 10:31:12 PM

doglover: redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl

Not under any sane legal system.


ok "doglover"  sane is subjective.
 
2013-05-24 10:32:19 PM

WhippingBoy: BizarreMan: muck4doo: 19 year old girl and 40 year old guy usually won't have much in common.

Depends on the size of his bank account and her assets.

And that's what makes it so beautiful.


Now I ain't saying She a golddigger.

But she sure ain't messing with no broke, broke nubian.
 
2013-05-24 10:32:36 PM

muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?


Well truthfully when you start acting like one, but using that some people would never be adults. So well in this case they were in the same school. The older girl hadn't graduated so really no she wasn't an adult but I'm not proposing legislation here just saying. I don't know really it sounds like the younger girl freaked when rumors got started and helped turn evidence on here older girl twirl. And now is in a world of shiat even worse. There is no good answer here if you see what I mean.

It's just a sad situation all around.
 
2013-05-24 10:33:00 PM

dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.


I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.
 
2013-05-24 10:33:21 PM

cybrwzrd: Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.


Well, conventional wisdom has it that teen sex farks you up for life, somehow, even you avoid pregnancy and STDs.
 
2013-05-24 10:34:07 PM

hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.


FTFY
 
2013-05-24 10:34:42 PM

dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.


Law doesn't work that way though, does is it? At any rate, 14 years old should tell you that this person isn't old enough to understand what she is doing with anyone 18 or above in a sexual relationship. It doesn't matter if the relationship is hetero or homo sexual in nature. The fact the 18 year old is playing the homosexual card shouldn't matter.
 
2013-05-24 10:35:52 PM
"Next week's 'To Catch A Predator' features something other than a pathetic 40 year old guy! Tune in to find out what!"
 
2013-05-24 10:36:37 PM

BarkingUnicorn: cybrwzrd: Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.

Well, conventional wisdom has it that teen sex farks you up for life, somehow, even you avoid pregnancy and STDs.


Conventional wisdom?   This is news to me.
 
2013-05-24 10:38:19 PM

muck4doo: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

Law doesn't work that way though, does is it? At any rate, 14 years old should tell you that this person isn't old enough to understand what she is doing with anyone 18 or above in a sexual relationship. It doesn't matter if the relationship is hetero or homo sexual in nature. The fact the 18 year old is playing the homosexual card shouldn't matter.


Again with homo/hetero shiat.  I am not arguing that.  I am not arguing that what she did is legal.  My argument is that it should be legal and the law can work that way.  I promise you, we have the capabilities to write intelligent laws.
 
2013-05-24 10:38:32 PM

dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.


And there's that sophistication again. You'd get rid of clear and easily communicated laws for some mashed up swill of exceptions, exemptions, allowances and small print which would be entirely subject to individual whims of authority.

Incidentally, you've let the janitor screw the kids without penalty. Afterwards I'm sure you'd write it into your exceptions but then there will be the next case you didn't think of.
 
2013-05-24 10:39:09 PM

dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.

FTFY



How so?  Your conditions were a) Wouldn't meet under normal circumstances, being a neighbor is a normal one more so than only knowing each other because of a particular sport or because the other is a girl genious and b) an authority figure, which I am not.  I am just the friend of the parents.

So, I'm cool right?
 
2013-05-24 10:39:22 PM

that bosnian sniper: tinfoil-hat maggie: What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

A stupid teen who probably wouldn't have been prosecuted, or seriously investigated, unless the "victim's" parents were cops, politicians, rich, or knew one of the above groups?

Well if the parent's disapprove they can mess you up. That said, I actually knew of a 13 yr old that was going to marry a 30 yr old man when she turned 14 and well that was the earliest they could marry with her parents consent.
/Yea I thought that was farked up.
 
2013-05-24 10:39:33 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: redslippers: doglover: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

And that's why almost all our current DAs should be shot into the sun.

Our legal system is so farked up pleading guilty to something that is only illegal because lawmakers are farking retarded is better and cheaper than being innocent of wrong doing.

FARK THAT. We need to fix this system so plea deals and settlements are never the best option.

Only she's not innocent of wrongdoing. She was having sex with a very underage girl, was warned more than once, then convinced the kid to run away for a night of hot lesbian love. The plea was a gift.

Well, that's for a jury to decide now. Oh and I got arrested in my bed at home for being a runaway when I was 16 so well. Oh and it was cause I left the house the night before for hot lesbian sex without permission : )
/Crazy times


I don't think this can be repeated too often....

Go on.
 
2013-05-24 10:39:42 PM
If it's wrong for a male 18+ years old to have sex with 14 year old girls, it's wrong for a woman of 18+ years old to have sex with a 14 year old girl. You don't get an exception because you use your tongue instead of a peener.
 
2013-05-24 10:40:02 PM

Brostorm: doglover: redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl

Not under any sane legal system.

ok "doglover"  sane is subjective.


When something is perfectly legal the year before, it shouldn't magically become illegal the next year just because some subjective age limit was reached. That's why most places have a close age exception if they have age of consent laws.
 
2013-05-24 10:41:02 PM

dlp211: My argument is that it should be legal and the law can work that way.


I will disagree with you every step of the way.
 
2013-05-24 10:41:11 PM

doglover: Brostorm: doglover: redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl

Not under any sane legal system.

ok "doglover"  sane is subjective.

When something is perfectly legal the year before, it shouldn't magically become illegal the next year just because some subjective age limit was reached. That's why most places have a close age exception if they have age of consent laws.


Which as has been posted probably 3 pages worth in this thread, was not the case.  14 and 18 is not close and also just illegal in all ways.
 
2013-05-24 10:41:27 PM

muck4doo: cybrwzrd: Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.

Wonder why none of them stayed with you.


I don't think any of us were looking for someone to stay with forever. What's your point?

BarkingUnicorn:

Well, conventional wisdom has it that teen sex farks you up for life, somehow, even you avoid pregnancy and STDs.

It must have somehow... I ended up with a nice house, a great job, and a loving family. True signs of failure.
 
2013-05-24 10:41:56 PM

dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.

FTFY


It's taken two posts to utterly shred your point, and it was mortally wounded in that first one. Quit while you're behind.
 
2013-05-24 10:42:02 PM

Molavian: http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit-R e dacted

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/05/21/us/hunt-arrest-affidav it .html?_r=0

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=564_1369419007&comments=1


I don't know. I'm still waiting for the long form Arrest Affidavit.

/Why 0bama Why
 
2013-05-24 10:42:06 PM

hammer85: dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion.  Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.

FTFY


How so?  Your conditions were a) Wouldn't meet under normal circumstances, being a neighbor is a normal one more so than only knowing each other because of a particular sport or because the other is a girl genious and b) an authority figure, which I am not.  I am just the friend of the parents.

So, I'm cool right?


I know this hard for you to understand, but again, I am not writing a piece of legislation, I am simply stating how to solve the most obvious case, a freshman and senior relationship.  I didn't not define all the rules so you can make up all the hypotheticals you want and no they aren't cool.  Jesus you people are dense.
 
rka
2013-05-24 10:42:37 PM

dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: cybrwzrd: Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.

Well, conventional wisdom has it that teen sex farks you up for life, somehow, even you avoid pregnancy and STDs.

Conventional wisdom?   This is news to me.


That's why it's called conventional wisdom. It's never meant as a positive.
 
2013-05-24 10:44:08 PM

rka: dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: cybrwzrd: Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.

Well, conventional wisdom has it that teen sex farks you up for life, somehow, even you avoid pregnancy and STDs.

Conventional wisdom?   This is news to me.

That's why it's called conventional wisdom. It's never meant as a positive.


Ah, got ya.
 
2013-05-24 10:44:14 PM

dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion.  Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.

FTFY


How so?  Your conditions were a) Wouldn't meet under normal circumstances, being a neighbor is a normal one more so than only knowing each other because of a particular sport or because the other is a girl genious and b) an authority figure, which I am not.  I am just the friend of the parents.

So, I'm cool right?

I know this hard for you to understand, but again, I am not writing a piece of legislation, I am simply stating how to solve the most obvious case, a freshman and senior relationship.  I didn't not define all the rules so you can make up all the hypotheticals you want and no they aren't cool.  Jesus you people are dense.


Why is me being 22 an edge case and 14 not?  STOP BEING SUBJECTIVE AND MAKING ARBITRARY LIMITS!
 
2013-05-24 10:45:13 PM

dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion.  Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.

FTFY


How so?  Your conditions were a) Wouldn't meet under normal circumstances, being a neighbor is a normal one more so than only knowing each other because of a particular sport or because the other is a girl genious and b) an authority figure, which I am not.  I am just the friend of the parents.

So, I'm cool right?

I know this hard for you to understand, but again, I am not writing a piece of legislation, I am simply stating how to solve the most obvious case, a freshman and senior relationship.  I didn't not define all the rules so you can make up all the hypotheticals you want and no they aren't cool.  Jesus you people are dense.


He didn't resort to name calling. No need for you to do so.
 
2013-05-24 10:46:57 PM
Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?
 
2013-05-24 10:47:31 PM

dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: cybrwzrd: Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.

Well, conventional wisdom has it that teen sex farks you up for life, somehow, even you avoid pregnancy and STDs.

Conventional wisdom?   This is news to me.


Science ain't conventional wisdom.

I really think the taboo against banging teenagers stems from their parents' secret desires to do so.
 
2013-05-24 10:47:36 PM

dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion.  Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.

FTFY


How so?  Your conditions were a) Wouldn't meet under normal circumstances, being a neighbor is a normal one more so than only knowing each other because of a particular sport or because the other is a girl genious and b) an authority figure, which I am not.  I am just the friend of the parents.

So, I'm cool right?

I know this hard for you to understand, but again, I am not writing a piece of legislation, I am simply stating how to solve the most obvious case, a freshman and senior relationship.  I didn't not define all the rules so you can make up all the hypotheticals you want and no they aren't cool.  Jesus you people are dense.


Or, you could, you know, not fark jailbait. Much simpler.
 
2013-05-24 10:47:47 PM

Loren: birdistasty: The child in me can't stop laughing at her name.  The last place my husband worked at, there was a guy there named Todd Watkins.  His company-created email address turned out to be twatkins[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]emanynapmoc[* image 7x13]com (which also made me giggle).  This woman's name would be khunt.

/ok, I think maybe it's just the meds?
//or I just have a ten year old's sense of humor..

Not as bad as the doc I encountered with an e-mail of kum.

redslippers: And an older person, boy or girl, who is a legal adult, should have no interest in a fourteen year old. The vast majority of these situations are predatory. There is a grossly uneven power dynamic between the parties and the younger is at a significant disadvantage. The law recognizes this, and the law is there because society recognizes this.

Usually there is a power problem.  However, these two were peers because the younger one was well above her grade level.

Tommy Moo: I don't know. The problem with the law is that there's no grey area, but in the real world there is. There are age gaps where it starts to get kinda creepy and maybe sorta inappropriate, but to the law, you are either guilty as sin or pure as the driven snow. Over 20 with a 14 year old and I'd say lock her up, and I'd dare anyone to try to make it about homophobia. But at the same time, if this was 17/14 I don't think anyone would care. The power balance in their relationship didn't suddenly, dramatically shift on the day this girl turned 18.

THIS.

I think what she did was wrong but I don't think it warrants anything like the punishment the law dictates.

redslippers: They were not "part of the same peer group". How much time have you spent around teenagers lately? How much time immersed in a high school? It is scandalous for a senior to date a freshman. These girls were not buddies all along, they JUST MET. Seniors and freshmen do not share classes, they do not haunt the same social circles, they are not "peers". Seniors and Juniors, that argument holds valid. Juniors and sophomores, there is overlap. Sophomores and freshmen, some overlap. And there is the occasional senior dating an older sophomore.

A 14 year old on the same team as an 18 year old.  Not to mention the 14 year old was in some classes well above her grade level.

As a freshman I had a class in which everyone else was a junior or senior.  As a sophomore I was taking two classes at the community college.

bigwf2007: I'd say jury nullification is her only hope. I can see maybe convincing one or two jurors that this really is all about her being a lesbian and not about her being an adult molesting a 14-year-old. But I just can't see her convincing an entire jury, even in Florida, to overlook both the law and the facts of the case.

All it takes is one to hang the jury.  It also isn't just a matter of overlooking the facts--I would probably vote not guilty because I feel the law dictates a punishment that's far too harsh for what she did.


My kindergartner is learning her multiplication tables. That doesn't put her on par with third graders. My 14 year old is taking college level literature and history. That doesn't put her on par with college kids. My 17 year old is about to finish her BS. That doesn't mean she's ready to play with the big boys.

There is a hell of a lot more to development than curriculum. And nowhere have I seen it stated that the 14 year old was taking senior classes.
 
2013-05-24 10:49:34 PM

cybrwzrd: I don't think any of us were looking for someone to stay with forever. What's your point?


If you have the morals of a banana slug there I guess that is fine. Most of us like to find someone we can be happy with.
 
2013-05-24 10:51:05 PM

muck4doo: cybrwzrd: I don't think any of us were looking for someone to stay with forever. What's your point?

If you have the morals of a banana slug there I guess that is fine. Most of us like to find someone we can be happy with.


At least for the night, anyway.
 
2013-05-24 10:51:12 PM

hammer85: Which as has been posted probably 3 pages worth in this thread, was not the case.


The legal system is broken. Of course the laws on the books aren't ideal. That's why we have trials. Laws suck, people point it out in court, and the courts strike those laws down.

What you have is two teens in the same high school. Close enough. It was legal when they were both underage. It ought to stay legal now. There's people out there right now shooting people down in the streets. That's where the legal system should be focusing its efforts. This? This is between two families. Should not be part of the courts at all.
 
2013-05-24 10:51:22 PM

muck4doo: cybrwzrd: I don't think any of us were looking for someone to stay with forever. What's your point?

If you have the morals of a banana slug there I guess that is fine. Most of us like to find someone we can be happy with.


So marry your kids off when they're nine, or earlier if someone will have them.

How do you find someone you can be happy with if you don't shop around?
 
2013-05-24 10:53:02 PM

doglover: hammer85: Which as has been posted probably 3 pages worth in this thread, was not the case.

The legal system is broken. Of course the laws on the books aren't ideal. That's why we have trials. Laws suck, people point it out in court, and the courts strike those laws down.

What you have is two teens in the same high school. Close enough. It was legal when they were both underage. It ought to stay legal now. There's people out there right now shooting people down in the streets. That's where the legal system should be focusing its efforts. This? This is between two families. Should not be part of the courts at all.


Uh...it was never legal, see the 100 or so posts with links to the affadavit or whatever.  I know that requires reading which I assume someone who thinks its okay for 18 year olds to fark 14 year olds can't do, but do please try and keep up.

You can have your own opinions, you can't have your own facts.
 
2013-05-24 10:53:14 PM
I see how this works:

- 18 year old man sleeps with 14 year old girl: "Castrate the perv! Death is to good for him"
- 18 year old woman sleeps with 14 year old girl: "The legal system is broken!"

/don't blame me, blame the bourbon
 
2013-05-24 10:53:55 PM

doglover: hammer85: Which as has been posted probably 3 pages worth in this thread, was not the case.

The legal system is broken. Of course the laws on the books aren't ideal. That's why we have trials. Laws suck, people point it out in court, and the courts strike those laws down.

What you have is two teens in the same high school. Close enough. It was legal when they were both underage. It ought to stay legal now. There's people out there right now shooting people down in the streets. That's where the legal system should be focusing its efforts. This? This is between two families. Should not be part of the courts at all.


Psst! It was always between an adult and a child......
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit -Redacted

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/05/21/us/hunt-arrest-affidav it.html?_r=0

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=564_1369419007&comments=1
 
2013-05-24 10:55:56 PM

WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?


Dunno. Will they be departing on different trains, heading in opposite directions, at different rates of speed?

I was told that there would be no math.
 
2013-05-24 10:57:00 PM

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: redslippers: doglover: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

And that's why almost all our current DAs should be shot into the sun.

Our legal system is so farked up pleading guilty to something that is only illegal because lawmakers are farking retarded is better and cheaper than being innocent of wrong doing.

FARK THAT. We need to fix this system so plea deals and settlements are never the best option.

Only she's not innocent of wrongdoing. She was having sex with a very underage girl, was warned more than once, then convinced the kid to run away for a night of hot lesbian love. The plea was a gift.

Well, that's for a jury to decide now. Oh and I got arrested in my bed at home for being a runaway when I was 16 so well. Oh and it was cause I left the house the night before for hot lesbian sex without permission : )
/Crazy times

I don't think this can be repeated too often....

Go on.


Well as I said crazy times, she was a fun girl but equally crazy and I regret the day I met her but well, we stayed off and on for about 4 years.
 
2013-05-24 10:57:19 PM

BarkingUnicorn: muck4doo: cybrwzrd: I don't think any of us were looking for someone to stay with forever. What's your point?

If you have the morals of a banana slug there I guess that is fine. Most of us like to find someone we can be happy with.

So marry your kids off when they're nine, or earlier if someone will have them.

How do you find someone you can be happy with if you don't shop around?


Most of us would like to find someone we can be happy with = Marry your kids at nine!
 
2013-05-24 10:58:43 PM

doglover: Brostorm: doglover: redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl

Not under any sane legal system.

ok "doglover"  sane is subjective.

When something is perfectly legal the year before, it shouldn't magically become illegal the next year just because some subjective age limit was reached. That's why most places have a close age exception if they have age of consent laws.


So, how young is too young? Fourteen is awfully young, and I I find your use of "sane" quite odd. So, should it be 13? 12? 11?

A LOT of 14 year old girls haven't even started their menstrual cycles yet. Think about that.
 
2013-05-24 10:59:00 PM

Bumblefark: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Dunno. Will they be departing on different trains, heading in opposite directions, at different rates of speed?

I was told that there would be no math.


They're taking the midnight trains going anywhere.
 
2013-05-24 10:59:05 PM

Bumblefark: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Dunno. Will they be departing on different trains, heading in opposite directions, at different rates of speed?

I was told that there would be no math.


No. The same speed: the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow.
 
2013-05-24 10:59:14 PM

WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?


Yes. Because you are not the morality police and arbitrary laws controlling "minors" as property of their parents are stupid. Alcohol and voting laws based on age are just as irrational. I don't see how a person emerges from the chrysalis of irresponsible child to responsible adult during the 60 seconds between 17 years, 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 18 years 0 days 0 minutes. Some 14 year olds are older mentally than some 20 year olds. Base the laws around cognizance, even if it is harder.
 
2013-05-24 10:59:31 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: redslippers: doglover: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

And that's why almost all our current DAs should be shot into the sun.

Our legal system is so farked up pleading guilty to something that is only illegal because lawmakers are farking retarded is better and cheaper than being innocent of wrong doing.

FARK THAT. We need to fix this system so plea deals and settlements are never the best option.

Only she's not innocent of wrongdoing. She was having sex with a very underage girl, was warned more than once, then convinced the kid to run away for a night of hot lesbian love. The plea was a gift.

Well, that's for a jury to decide now. Oh and I got arrested in my bed at home for being a runaway when I was 16 so well. Oh and it was cause I left the house the night before for hot lesbian sex without permission : )
/Crazy times

I don't think this can be repeated too often....

Go on.

Well as I said crazy times, she was a fun girl but equally crazy and I regret the day I met her but well, we stayed off and on for about 4 years.


Crazy in the head, crazy in the bed.  That's probably why I keep ending up with crazy girlfriends.

BTW, what psychological disorder do you currently suffer from?
 
2013-05-24 11:00:01 PM

redslippers: There is a hell of a lot more to development than curriculum. And nowhere have I seen it stated that the 14 year old was taking senior classes.


There was one article (the one that mentioned the sports thing that said the younger girl was taking "IR" classes, I don't know what that is but it mentioned they had classes together.
/No idea and still not saying it's right.
 
2013-05-24 11:00:30 PM

redslippers: doglover: Brostorm: doglover: redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl

Not under any sane legal system.

ok "doglover"  sane is subjective.

When something is perfectly legal the year before, it shouldn't magically become illegal the next year just because some subjective age limit was reached. That's why most places have a close age exception if they have age of consent laws.

So, how young is too young? Fourteen is awfully young, and I I find your use of "sane" quite odd. So, should it be 13? 12? 11?

A LOT of 14 year old girls haven't even started their menstrual cycles yet. Think about that.


Amazing isn't it, how many Farkers are all for kids getting sexually exploited.
 
2013-05-24 11:01:30 PM

muck4doo: redslippers: doglover: Brostorm: doglover: redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl

Not under any sane legal system.

ok "doglover"  sane is subjective.

When something is perfectly legal the year before, it shouldn't magically become illegal the next year just because some subjective age limit was reached. That's why most places have a close age exception if they have age of consent laws.

So, how young is too young? Fourteen is awfully young, and I I find your use of "sane" quite odd. So, should it be 13? 12? 11?

A LOT of 14 year old girls haven't even started their menstrual cycles yet. Think about that.

Amazing isn't it, how many Farkers are all for kids getting sexually exploited.


Yes. Disgusting is more like it.
 
2013-05-24 11:01:42 PM

cybrwzrd: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Yes. Because you are not the morality police and arbitrary laws controlling "minors" as property of their parents are stupid. Alcohol and voting laws based on age are just as irrational. I don't see how a person emerges from the chrysalis of irresponsible child to responsible adult during the 60 seconds between 17 years, 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 18 years 0 days 0 minutes. Some 14 year olds are older mentally than some 20 year olds. Base the laws around cognizance, even if it is harder.


0.tqn.com
 
2013-05-24 11:02:48 PM

OgreMagi: BTW, what psychological disorder do you currently suffer from?


Depression/anxiety oh and a willingness to post on Fark ; )
 
2013-05-24 11:03:10 PM
At what in any of this has anyone said that "they had sex"? Where is the evidence that intercourse or other similarly intimate contact was made?

Without evidence of sexual activity beyond "necking," then there is no case.
 
2013-05-24 11:03:37 PM

cybrwzrd: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Yes. Because you are not the morality police and arbitrary laws controlling "minors" as property of their parents are stupid. Alcohol and voting laws based on age are just as irrational. I don't see how a person emerges from the chrysalis of irresponsible child to responsible adult during the 60 seconds between 17 years, 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 18 years 0 days 0 minutes. Some 14 year olds are older mentally than some 20 year olds. Base the laws around cognizance, even if it is harder.


Ah, I see now why you're not allowed within a hundred feet of the local playground now.
 
2013-05-24 11:03:56 PM

cybrwzrd: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Yes. Because you are not the morality police and arbitrary laws controlling "minors" as property of their parents are stupid. Alcohol and voting laws based on age are just as irrational. I don't see how a person emerges from the chrysalis of irresponsible child to responsible adult during the 60 seconds between 17 years, 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 18 years 0 days 0 minutes. Some 14 year olds are older mentally than some 20 year olds. Base the laws around cognizance, even if it is harder.


^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

cybrwzrd wants to bang 14 year olds, but is mad he can't legally.
 
2013-05-24 11:04:05 PM

Diagonal: At what in any of this has anyone said that "they had sex"? Where is the evidence that intercourse or other similarly intimate contact was made?

Without evidence of sexual activity beyond "necking," then there is no case.


How about insertion of finger into vagina. Does that work for you?
 
2013-05-24 11:04:20 PM

muck4doo: BarkingUnicorn: muck4doo: cybrwzrd: I don't think any of us were looking for someone to stay with forever. What's your point?

If you have the morals of a banana slug there I guess that is fine. Most of us like to find someone we can be happy with.

So marry your kids off when they're nine, or earlier if someone will have them.

How do you find someone you can be happy with if you don't shop around?

Most of us would like to find someone we can be happy with = Marry your kids at nine!


Kids are happy with their shiat until they learn there's better  stuff out there.  Lock 'em in young and they'll stay happy for life.
 
2013-05-24 11:04:36 PM

Diagonal: At what in any of this has anyone said that "they had sex"? Where is the evidence that intercourse or other similarly intimate contact was made?

Without evidence of sexual activity beyond "necking," then there is no case.


Both the victim and the defendant have admitted to having sex. In fact, they have the 18 year old on tape admitting to the instances of sexual contact.
 
2013-05-24 11:04:42 PM

WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?


Only if the guy pees in her mouth first.
 
2013-05-24 11:05:03 PM

hammer85: Uh...it was never legal


Not legal in that state at the time and never legal are two very different statements.

This is exactly the same as the shiat where that kid went to jail for 10 years because his long time girlfriend was underage and he had a birthday. The laws were re-written in many places specifically to avoid just a waste of resources and ruination of someone's life.

This case is the same kind of harmless fling that became a felony only because one person had a birthday. It's a waste of the courts' time.
 
2013-05-24 11:05:25 PM
This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.
 
2013-05-24 11:05:28 PM
Slicker Smith: You're 40 years-old and you're in love with this little girl that's 10 years-old. You're four times as old as that girl and you couldn't marry her, could you?

Herbie Brown: Not unless I come from the mountains.

Slicker Smith: All right - you're 40 years-old, you're four times as old as this girl, and you can't marry her, so you wait five years. By that time the little girl's 15 and you're 45. You're only three times as old as that little girl. So you wait 15 years and when the girl is 30, you're at 60. You're only twice as old as that little girl.

Herbie Brown: She's catching up.

Slicker Smith: Yes, yes. Now here's the question. How long do you have to wait until you and that little girl are the same age?

Herbie Brown: Now what kinda question is that? That's ridiculous!

Slicker Smith: Ridiculous or not, answer the question.

Herbie Brown: If I wait for that girl she'll pass me up. She'll wind up older than I am.

Slicker Smith: What are you talking about?

Herbie Brown: She'll have to wait for me!

Slicker Smith: Why should she wait for you?

Herbie Brown: ...I was nice enough to wait for her!
 
2013-05-24 11:06:06 PM

that bosnian sniper: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Only if the guy pees in her mouth first.


media.concreteloop.com
 
2013-05-24 11:06:36 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: BTW, what psychological disorder do you currently suffer from?

Depression/anxiety oh and a willingness to post on Fark ; )


A close friend suffers the worse anxiety attacks I have ever seen.  Fortunately, she's seeing a therapist.  No, not a girlfriend and never will be.

My sister claims I could go to a party filled with perfectly normal people and the one crazy girl at the party will somehow find me and have me convinced she is perfectly normal before the night is over.
 
2013-05-24 11:06:53 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?


Yeah. It's a bit of hyperbole I know. But seriously, most people who go well out of their way to defend the indefensible usually have a stake in it somehow. Hell most of the people who are the most vocally against pot laws are usually potheads. A person who is meh on the laws one way or the other is probably not a pot head and the ones who are for them are not potheads.

These laws are designed to protect the young from predators. Who would stand to benefit the most from the legal ages being lowered? Not the kids.

WhippingBoy: What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.


Exactly.
 
2013-05-24 11:06:59 PM
I'm just glad I was a teenager long ago.  It was hard enough talking my senior girlfriend into bjs when I was a freshman back then.
 
2013-05-24 11:07:03 PM

that bosnian sniper: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Only if the guy pees in her mouth first.


And this is why, no matter how many times I try, I can't stop coming back to Fark.
 
2013-05-24 11:08:02 PM

doglover: Not legal in that state at the time and never legal are two very different statements.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-24 11:08:20 PM

cybrwzrd: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Yes. Because you are not the morality police and arbitrary laws controlling "minors" as property of their parents are stupid. Alcohol and voting laws based on age are just as irrational. I don't see how a person emerges from the chrysalis of irresponsible child to responsible adult during the 60 seconds between 17 years, 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 18 years 0 days 0 minutes. Some 14 year olds are older mentally than some 20 year olds. Base the laws around cognizance, even if it is harder.


Got a better and practical way to test on a regular basis every single person within a certain age group to determine who is mature enough to do any given number of activities and who is not?
 
2013-05-24 11:09:40 PM

WhippingBoy: This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.


Oh, it wrong for her to break the law.  And by wrong I mean, "not in her self-interest."

Did you have anything else in mind?
 
2013-05-24 11:10:32 PM

doglover: Brostorm: doglover: redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl

Not under any sane legal system.

ok "doglover"  sane is subjective.

When something is perfectly legal the year before, it shouldn't magically become illegal the next year just because some subjective age limit was reached. That's why most places have a close age exception if they have age of consent laws.


Actually they are objective age limits because they apply to everyone - created after debate and majority approval by elected representatives.

See also : owning firearms, driving, voting, entering contracts, buying alcohol, buying tobacco, serving on a jury, working, being able to be found criminally liable, serving in the armed forces etc..

Do we want a society that allows child workers and child soldiers or is it just child sexual partners ??
 
2013-05-24 11:10:36 PM

BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.

Oh, it wrong for her to break the law.  And by wrong I mean, "not in her self-interest."

Did you have anything else in mind?


Yeah, that whole pesky child abuse thing.
 
2013-05-24 11:11:08 PM

Mock26: cybrwzrd: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Yes. Because you are not the morality police and arbitrary laws controlling "minors" as property of their parents are stupid. Alcohol and voting laws based on age are just as irrational. I don't see how a person emerges from the chrysalis of irresponsible child to responsible adult during the 60 seconds between 17 years, 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 18 years 0 days 0 minutes. Some 14 year olds are older mentally than some 20 year olds. Base the laws around cognizance, even if it is harder.

Got a better and practical way to test on a regular basis every single person within a certain age group to determine who is mature enough to do any given number of activities and who is not?


Because what you suggest is not possible, the law has to specify an age.  In some places they are reasonable about it (e.g. within 2 years, not a crime, etc).  In some places a single day can be the difference between a scolding or prison.

California is a hard 18 years old.  Except they are rather arbitrary about enforcement.
 
2013-05-24 11:11:32 PM

Diagonal: At what in any of this has anyone said that "they had sex"? Where is the evidence that intercourse or other similarly intimate contact was made?

Without evidence of sexual activity beyond "necking," then there is no case.


The brilliant accused and admitted to penetration.  There are several links to an affidavit around here.
 
2013-05-24 11:11:44 PM

WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.

Oh, it wrong for her to break the law.  And by wrong I mean, "not in her self-interest."

Did you have anything else in mind?

Yeah, that whole pesky child abuse thing.


What child abuse?
 
2013-05-24 11:12:44 PM

BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.

Oh, it wrong for her to break the law.  And by wrong I mean, "not in her self-interest."

Did you have anything else in mind?

Yeah, that whole pesky child abuse thing.

What child abuse?


Sorry. My mistake. What a complete idiot I am.
 
2013-05-24 11:12:51 PM

doglover: It was legal when they were both underage.


No.It.Was.Not. 15 and under can never, under any circumstances, consent to sex. The closest you can get is if they are married (at 15) and even that requires adult consent in the form of her parents consenting to the marriage.
 
2013-05-24 11:13:10 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: redslippers: There is a hell of a lot more to development than curriculum. And nowhere have I seen it stated that the 14 year old was taking senior classes.

There was one article (the one that mentioned the sports thing that said the younger girl was taking "IR" classes, I don't know what that is but it mentioned they had classes together.
/No idea and still not saying it's right.


The only classes I know of are IB and they aren't comprised of that big of an age spread normally. Maybe in the community service portion, but not classes. I haven't heard that from any local sources.
 
2013-05-24 11:14:15 PM
hardinparamedic:

Ah, I see now why you're not allowed within a hundred feet of the local playground now.

Derp.

Seriously, where did I say it is OK for a 34 year old to be chasing a 14 year old? My point is that when dealing with this issue you can't base it on arbitrary dates. Test the younger girl. If she didn't understand what she was doing it is one thing, but I think it is fair to say she was a willing partner and was able to consent to sex acts with her lover.
 
2013-05-24 11:15:59 PM

WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.

Oh, it wrong for her to break the law.  And by wrong I mean, "not in her self-interest."

Did you have anything else in mind?

Yeah, that whole pesky child abuse thing.

What child abuse?

Sorry. My mistake. What a complete idiot I am.


I thought the charges against Kaitlyn were "child abuse" because TFA sucks, and they aren't.  If there was child abuse, why isn't she charged with it?

Come on, tell me how this 14 year-old  child was abused.
 
2013-05-24 11:16:23 PM

cybrwzrd: hardinparamedic:

Ah, I see now why you're not allowed within a hundred feet of the local playground now.

Derp.

Seriously, where did I say it is OK for a 34 year old to be chasing a 14 year old? My point is that when dealing with this issue you can't base it on arbitrary dates. Test the younger girl. If she didn't understand what she was doing it is one thing, but I think it is fair to say she was a willing partner and was able to consent to sex acts with her lover.


How the hell could you possibly know that? It's just as valid to say that she was coerced/manipulated/taken advantage of.
 
2013-05-24 11:16:27 PM

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: BTW, what psychological disorder do you currently suffer from?

Depression/anxiety oh and a willingness to post on Fark ; )

A close friend suffers the worse anxiety attacks I have ever seen.  Fortunately, she's seeing a therapist.  No, not a girlfriend and never will be.

My sister claims I could go to a party filled with perfectly normal people and the one crazy girl at the party will somehow find me and have me convinced she is perfectly normal before the night is over.


Sometimes I feel like that but I generally now date the people with the qualities I wish I had. You know sane responsible,etc.. But yea, I do seem to find the crazies at times
/Oh and I see my therapist monthly.
//It sorta helps.
 
2013-05-24 11:17:07 PM

cybrwzrd: hardinparamedic:

Ah, I see now why you're not allowed within a hundred feet of the local playground now.

Derp.

Seriously, where did I say it is OK for a 34 year old to be chasing a 14 year old? My point is that when dealing with this issue you can't base it on arbitrary dates. Test the younger girl. If she didn't understand what she was doing it is one thing, but I think it is fair to say she was a willing partner and was able to consent to sex acts with her lover.


Oh wow. I bet you're a hit at parties.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-24 11:17:59 PM

BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.

Oh, it wrong for her to break the law.  And by wrong I mean, "not in her self-interest."

Did you have anything else in mind?

Yeah, that whole pesky child abuse thing.

What child abuse?

Sorry. My mistake. What a complete idiot I am.

I thought the charges against Kaitlyn were "child abuse" because TFA sucks, and they aren't.  If there was child abuse, why isn't she charged with it?

Come on, tell me how this 14 year-old  child was abused.


You mean apart from an adult admitting that she inserted a finger into her vagina?
 
2013-05-24 11:19:02 PM
If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

... what media attention?  This is the first I've heard of this, most school-related rape stuff (usually teacher/student) gets a lot more than that.

Our client's a model citizen.

What, you mean except for the rape?  I'm sure the Unabomber was a model citizen except for the bombing as well.

//Florida has a close-age exception, by the way.  This girl violated it.  For reference, 18 and 14 is someone that's graduated high school dating a junior high/middle school kid in most situations.
 
2013-05-24 11:19:09 PM

cybrwzrd: hardinparamedic:

Ah, I see now why you're not allowed within a hundred feet of the local playground now.

Derp.

Seriously, where did I say it is OK for a 34 year old to be chasing a 14 year old? My point is that when dealing with this issue you can't base it on arbitrary dates. Test the younger girl. If she didn't understand what she was doing it is one thing, but I think it is fair to say she was a willing partner and was able to consent to sex acts with her lover.


Arbitrary dates, finding out what her sexual understanding is, all in the name of 14 year old girls should be able to have sex with adult men or women? I think you are really getting twisted here. You should just stop.
 
2013-05-24 11:19:28 PM

doglover: hammer85: Which as has been posted probably 3 pages worth in this thread, was not the case.

The legal system is broken. Of course the laws on the books aren't ideal. That's why we have trials. Laws suck, people point it out in court, and the courts strike those laws down.

What you have is two teens in the same high school. Close enough. It was legal when they were both underage. It ought to stay legal now. There's people out there right now shooting people down in the streets. That's where the legal system should be focusing its efforts. This? This is between two families. Should not be part of the courts at all.


for the 9000th time it was never legal.
misinfo pls go
 
2013-05-24 11:19:29 PM

pute kisses like a man: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

well, it also matters what the law there is regarding young person with young person.  most states allow either 3 or 4 year age gaps so it's not child rape for an 18 y/o to be with a 16 y/o.  I'm assuming they have  4 year window, it the younger is off by a couple months.  sometimes, the law came feel a little arbitrary, when, for example, you either did something totally lawful, or child rape worst felony ever because someone was born on a monday instead of a tuesday.

/ dnrtfa


Wikipedia claims Florida's law allows people up to 24 to have sex with 16 & 17 year olds, but otherwise it's 18 and up. Doesn't look good for her unless their evidence is circumstantial.
 
2013-05-24 11:19:32 PM

cybrwzrd: hardinparamedic:

Ah, I see now why you're not allowed within a hundred feet of the local playground now.

Derp.

Seriously, where did I say it is OK for a 34 year old to be chasing a 14 year old? My point is that when dealing with this issue you can't base it on arbitrary dates. Test the younger girl. If she didn't understand what she was doing it is one thing, but I think it is fair to say she was a willing partner and was able to consent to sex acts with her lover.


That isn't possible to do in every case. The law is 16 for a reason. For crying out loud, 14 is not old enough to even drive to school. At that age, no kid can consent. There's a lot more to sex than the act itself. The kid in this case is effed up. As in, intensive therapy, antidepressants messed up. Is that not enough for you? Kids that age are not prepared for the emotional consequences of sex. Period.
 
2013-05-24 11:19:59 PM