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2013-05-25 05:42:57 PM  

Holographic Shimmering Pork: Here is a branch of the US government directly contradicting your Wikipedia link:
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-still-und er -construction/index.shtml


Said link does not contradict my statement or the Wikipedia page.

Holographic Shimmering Pork: another contradiction:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124119468


NPR article with an anecdote. Not a contradiction.

Holographic Shimmering Pork: another, from MIT:
http://hrweb.mit.edu/worklife/youngadult/brain.html


Actually supports my original statement to an extent, as the brain doesn't begin working in an adult manner until 15 or so, and doesn't finish maturing until roughly 25, puts 18 as a reasonable "beginning adult" stage.

Holographic Shimmering Pork: another:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/2011/10/teenage-brains/dobbs -t ext


Annnd. . . another anecdote, but again backed up with material that supports me.

You suck at this. You can't argue the law, so you scratch through it, you can't argue the moral implications of giving some random 18 year old more authority over a 14 year old than that child's own parents, you can't argue the science, so you lie, deflect, spin, and finally throw up a cloud of links hoping I'd be overwhelmed (I can read a 300 page text in an hour, sunshine), and I find that you apparently didn't read them, just probably google searched for some keywords hoping to refute me.

You've convinced me. You are unpersuadable. Nothing will stop you from thinking the 18 year old is too young to know better, but the 14 year old was mature enough to understand, and that the law should reflect your bizarre twisted feelings on the matter. You will argue to the last breath to allow the Hunt's of the world to diddle children.
 
2013-05-25 05:47:47 PM  

cbathrob: WhippingBoy: cbathrob: After reading nearly the entire thread, I am forced, reluctantly, to conclude that what Kate did was illegal, that her actions harmed the 14 year-old (who was neither old enough nor mature enough to meaningfully consent), and that she should have taken the plea deal.

Goddam it so much.

Why does this upset you so much?

Because I wish that this was a victimless crime, with no harm done to anyone? Because I wanted to believe the narrative that Kate was being persecuted for being gay rather than rightly charged with being a predetor? Because the truth appears to be messier and grimmer than I want it to be? Because the anti-gay crowd will use this to their advantage? Take your pick. Accepting reality doesn't mean I have to like it.


Yeah, that's part of what gets me angry too. Kate Hunt's sexuality is not some shield to deflect the weight of the law from her, when others in that same position would face worse penalties than she was offered in a deal. Using it as such is demeaning to the LGBT community, utterly manipulative, and likely to provoke a legal backlash. But just like their daughter, other people don't matter to the Hunt's, just their own desires.
 
2013-05-25 05:51:45 PM  

Boojum2k: cbathrob: WhippingBoy: cbathrob: After reading nearly the entire thread, I am forced, reluctantly, to conclude that what Kate did was illegal, that her actions harmed the 14 year-old (who was neither old enough nor mature enough to meaningfully consent), and that she should have taken the plea deal.

Goddam it so much.

Why does this upset you so much?

Because I wish that this was a victimless crime, with no harm done to anyone? Because I wanted to believe the narrative that Kate was being persecuted for being gay rather than rightly charged with being a predetor? Because the truth appears to be messier and grimmer than I want it to be? Because the anti-gay crowd will use this to their advantage? Take your pick. Accepting reality doesn't mean I have to like it.

Yeah, that's part of what gets me angry too. Kate Hunt's sexuality is not some shield to deflect the weight of the law from her, when others in that same position would face worse penalties than she was offered in a deal. Using it as such is demeaning to the LGBT community, utterly manipulative, and likely to provoke a legal backlash. But just like their daughter, other people don't matter to the Hunt's, just their own desires.


Agreed. The gay issue is a red herring.
 
2013-05-25 05:53:27 PM  
Yeah, that's part of what gets me angry too. Kate Hunt's sexuality is not some shield to deflect the weight of the law from her, when others in that same position would face worse penalties than she was offered in a deal. Using it as such is demeaning to the LGBT community, utterly manipulative, and likely to provoke a legal backlash. But just like their daughter, other people don't matter to the Hunt's, just their own desires.

From one of the Hunts conferences I read that "Kate has always dated boys" until this. Then some of their statements say she is a lesbian. So damn confusing, but as an 18 year old kid, she may be confused herself.
 
2013-05-25 05:59:00 PM  

WhippingBoy: Fair enough. My reason for asking is that there's far worse things than this every day, and while this one certainly isn't very nice, it seems to be getting far more attention than it deserves. I'm just trying to figure out why that is.


Because Mother Hunt first presented it to the media as a witch hunt for her daughter because she was gay. The LGBT community and their supporters wholeheartedly took it up as an example of anti-homosexual bias in general. Petitions were started (and garnered at least 50k signatures), Facebook pages and groups were started and so on. Now, as it turns out, Mother Hunt was lying her ass off about most of the facts in the case that she presented and that the petitions and so on were based upon those lies. Instead of bolstering the case concerning anti-gay sentiments, the people who stood behind Mother Hunt now have egg on their faces and it's going to be much harder to make the case concerning anti-gay attitudes as there will always be the underlying question of whether someone is telling the truth or if they are lying to cover their own asses.

In addition we now have people who are still defending the girl because... they think that the age statutes regarding sexual activity amongst teens are too strict, even though most of those age limitations have been around for decades. Most people find that to be juuuust a bit creepy. One individual went so far as to say that he thought that sexual activity between a 30 year old and a 14 year old was "Ok".
 
2013-05-25 06:03:07 PM  

Radioactive Ass: WhippingBoy: Fair enough. My reason for asking is that there's far worse things than this every day, and while this one certainly isn't very nice, it seems to be getting far more attention than it deserves. I'm just trying to figure out why that is.

Because Mother Hunt first presented it to the media as a witch hunt for her daughter because she was gay. The LGBT community and their supporters wholeheartedly took it up as an example of anti-homosexual bias in general. Petitions were started (and garnered at least 50k signatures), Facebook pages and groups were started and so on. Now, as it turns out, Mother Hunt was lying her ass off about most of the facts in the case that she presented and that the petitions and so on were based upon those lies. Instead of bolstering the case concerning anti-gay sentiments, the people who stood behind Mother Hunt now have egg on their faces and it's going to be much harder to make the case concerning anti-gay attitudes as there will always be the underlying question of whether someone is telling the truth or if they are lying to cover their own asses.

In addition we now have people who are still defending the girl because... they think that the age statutes regarding sexual activity amongst teens are too strict, even though most of those age limitations have been around for decades. Most people find that to be juuuust a bit creepy. One individual went so far as to say that he thought that sexual activity between a 30 year old and a 14 year old was "Ok".


Several creepers have been doing that in this thread. They seem to get upset when you point out that they keep pushing, over and over, for it to be okay for an adult to have sex with a 14 year old.
 
2013-05-25 06:09:16 PM  

Radioactive Ass: WhippingBoy: Fair enough. My reason for asking is that there's far worse things than this every day, and while this one certainly isn't very nice, it seems to be getting far more attention than it deserves. I'm just trying to figure out why that is.

Because Mother Hunt first presented it to the media as a witch hunt for her daughter because she was gay. The LGBT community and their supporters wholeheartedly took it up as an example of anti-homosexual bias in general. Petitions were started (and garnered at least 50k signatures), Facebook pages and groups were started and so on. Now, as it turns out, Mother Hunt was lying her ass off about most of the facts in the case that she presented and that the petitions and so on were based upon those lies. Instead of bolstering the case concerning anti-gay sentiments, the people who stood behind Mother Hunt now have egg on their faces and it's going to be much harder to make the case concerning anti-gay attitudes as there will always be the underlying question of whether someone is telling the truth or if they are lying to cover their own asses.

In addition we now have people who are still defending the girl because... they think that the age statutes regarding sexual activity amongst teens are too strict, even though most of those age limitations have been around for decades. Most people find that to be juuuust a bit creepy. One individual went so far as to say that he thought that sexual activity between a 30 year old and a 14 year old was "Ok".


That's about it in a nutshell, but I'll add that the Hunts also slandered the family of the victim, which in general pisses a lot of people off, and there are idiots on here arguing simultaneously that 14 year olds are sexual adults, yet 18 year olds aren't mature enough to not stick it in (or lick) jailbait, and that no harm came to the victim and that 14 year olds are peers on equal psychological, emotional and intellectual footing with 18 year olds.

Oh, and that onset of puberty is the defining line of when a child should legally be able to consent to sex, even though the average age of onset of puberty is TEN YEARS OLD.
 
2013-05-25 06:15:55 PM  

desertfool: Yeah, that's part of what gets me angry too. Kate Hunt's sexuality is not some shield to deflect the weight of the law from her, when others in that same position would face worse penalties than she was offered in a deal. Using it as such is demeaning to the LGBT community, utterly manipulative, and likely to provoke a legal backlash. But just like their daughter, other people don't matter to the Hunt's, just their own desires.

From one of the Hunts conferences I read that "Kate has always dated boys" until this. Then some of their statements say she is a lesbian. So damn confusing, but as an 18 year old kid, she may be confused herself.


Well, the Hunt's lie, that's pretty well established by now.
 
2013-05-25 06:18:41 PM  

Radioactive Ass: WhippingBoy: Fair enough. My reason for asking is that there's far worse things than this every day, and while this one certainly isn't very nice, it seems to be getting far more attention than it deserves. I'm just trying to figure out why that is.

Because Mother Hunt first presented it to the media as a witch hunt for her daughter because she was gay. The LGBT community and their supporters wholeheartedly took it up as an example of anti-homosexual bias in general. Petitions were started (and garnered at least 50k signatures), Facebook pages and groups were started and so on. Now, as it turns out, Mother Hunt was lying her ass off about most of the facts in the case that she presented and that the petitions and so on were based upon those lies. Instead of bolstering the case concerning anti-gay sentiments, the people who stood behind Mother Hunt now have egg on their faces and it's going to be much harder to make the case concerning anti-gay attitudes as there will always be the underlying question of whether someone is telling the truth or if they are lying to cover their own asses.

In addition we now have people who are still defending the girl because... they think that the age statutes regarding sexual activity amongst teens are too strict, even though most of those age limitations have been around for decades. Most people find that to be juuuust a bit creepy. One individual went so far as to say that he thought that sexual activity between a 30 year old and a 14 year old was "Ok".


Perhaps people need to learn to get all the facts (within reason) before making rash judgements or acting on emotion. I find it a bit unsettling that such a large-scale movement was started based solely on the unsubstantiated word of a very partial individual. Witch hunt is a very apt term in this case, but the line between "witches" and "hunters" appears to be the opposite of Goodie Hunt's intentions.
 
2013-05-25 06:20:42 PM  

kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?


It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.
 
2013-05-25 06:39:23 PM  

orbister: kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?

It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.


Don't bother talking to wannabe child molesters.
 
2013-05-25 06:40:40 PM  

orbister: It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.


And this highlights why there are laws in place to try and prevent such a thing from happening in the first place. It is assumed that until age 16 a minor simply doesn't have the life experience to know what a "Relationship" actually is or what it may entail. For all of their lives pretty much every person in their life that is a few years or more older than them is an authority figure in one form or another. Without the laws we have in place there is no deterrent keeping someone from abusing that authority by the less than scrupulous people amongst us. At 16 the laws allow them to test the waters so to speak but still keeps them pretty much in the shallow end of the pool for a couple of years and helps to prevent most predators from playing in the kiddie pool. By 18 it is assumed that they have at least had the opportunity to learn some more and the laws go away (with a few limited exceptions).
 
2013-05-25 06:48:10 PM  

orbister: kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?

It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.


And that's why I think (1) it should be on a case by case basis and recommend (2) age ranges, not a free-for-all.
 
2013-05-25 06:49:49 PM  

muck4doo: orbister: kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?

It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.

Don't bother talking to wannabe child molesters.


That's how you know the thread is over.
 
2013-05-25 06:56:57 PM  

kazikian: muck4doo: orbister: kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?

It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.

Don't bother talking to wannabe child molesters.

That's how you know the thread is over.


Pfft. It would have been over a long time ago if that was the case, we've had multiple in here giving the impression of looking to find an agreeable buddy to trade out some "special" pr0n.

But for your previous comment, the law is determined on an age range, 16&17 are legal within their own age range up to a max of 23 or 24, 18 is fully legal. It's also determined case by case, it is the parents of the younger teen who determine if the harm rises to the level of filing charges. In this case it did, and they did.
 
2013-05-25 07:08:00 PM  
If 18yr/old male and a 15/16 girl are illegal, 50% of the guys in my high school should be in jail. The sophomore girls in my high school bragged all the time how they stole all the guys from the senior girls. These should be on a case by case by, not some stupid arbitrary number.
 
2013-05-25 07:12:09 PM  
I have nothing to contribute other than my satisfied expectation: 1200+ comments about underage lesbians. Fark on, farkers. Fark on.
 
2013-05-25 07:14:08 PM  

hoihoi8: If 18yr/old male and a 15/16 girl are illegal, 50% of the guys in my high school should be in jail. The sophomore girls in my high school bragged all the time how they stole all the guys from the senior girls. These should be on a case by case by, not some stupid arbitrary number.


They didn't steal the guys from the senior girls, the senior girls were going after the guys who graduated a year or two ago.
 
2013-05-25 07:18:12 PM  

hoihoi8: If 18yr/old male and a 15/16 girl are illegal, 50% of the guys in my high school should be in jail. The sophomore girls in my high school bragged all the time how they stole all the guys from the senior girls. These should be on a case by case by, not some stupid arbitrary number.


Well, the 16 year old would not be against the law for the 18 y/o. The 15 year old would be subject to parental discretion, so some of them may have second thoughts before going all the way, and Kate Hunt was 18 and committing sexual battery on a 14 year old. And once again, there is a case by case basis, the parent's can bring a complaint and file charges or not, and in this case they chose to.

Also, you based your entire thesis on the claims of teen males. They've been known to exaggerate their accomplishments.
 
2013-05-25 07:31:03 PM  

Boojum2k: desertfool: Yeah, that's part of what gets me angry too. Kate Hunt's sexuality is not some shield to deflect the weight of the law from her, when others in that same position would face worse penalties than she was offered in a deal. Using it as such is demeaning to the LGBT community, utterly manipulative, and likely to provoke a legal backlash. But just like their daughter, other people don't matter to the Hunt's, just their own desires.

From one of the Hunts conferences I read that "Kate has always dated boys" until this. Then some of their statements say she is a lesbian. So damn confusing, but as an 18 year old kid, she may be confused herself.

Well, the Hunt's lie, that's pretty well established by now.


That is where we differ. I think both sides have their version of the truth. I don't know if anyone is lying, I have no way to know. I think that there are two young women who, for whatever reason, fell in love and started a relationship that was, under the laws of  state, illegal. One should have, but didn't, know better, and the other, legally, couldn't. When you get the adults involved, then the lawyers, then all hell brakes loose. I have a really hard time seeing this as a preditory relationship. Sure, I'm falling for the "she's just a girl" argument, but for Fark's sake, she is.
 
2013-05-25 07:39:38 PM  

desertfool: I don't know if anyone is lying, I have no way to know.


There are some good links and posts detailing the Hunts actual lies in this thread. But the most damning ones are that they started the whole "Kate was 17 when the relationship started and it was legal then" lie along with the "the other parent's waited until Kate was 18 to charge her" lie (it's on their change.org petition page), when the affidavit clearly shows she was 18 when the relationship began, and the 14 year old was 14 during that entire time.

I have a really hard time seeing this as a preditory relationship. Sure, I'm falling for the "she's just a girl" argument, but for Fark's sake, she is.

Fair enough. I'm hoping judge and jury look a little closer at this case than that, though. Hmm, I won't actually feel sad for Kate Hunt if she gets at least ten years prison time out of this, but I will feel sad about those who think that that's sad. Not in a dismissive way, more of a "It's a shame they gave her further benefit of the doubt and are now doubly disappointed" thought.
 
2013-05-25 07:54:42 PM  

Boojum2k: desertfool: I don't know if anyone is lying, I have no way to know.

There are some good links and posts detailing the Hunts actual lies in this thread. But the most damning ones are that they started the whole "Kate was 17 when the relationship started and it was legal then" lie along with the "the other parent's waited until Kate was 18 to charge her" lie (it's on their change.org petition page), when the affidavit clearly shows she was 18 when the relationship began, and the 14 year old was 14 during that entire time.

I have a really hard time seeing this as a preditory relationship. Sure, I'm falling for the "she's just a girl" argument, but for Fark's sake, she is.

Fair enough. I'm hoping judge and jury look a little closer at this case than that, though. Hmm, I won't actually feel sad for Kate Hunt if she gets at least ten years prison time out of this, but I will feel sad about those who think that that's sad. Not in a dismissive way, more of a "It's a shame they gave her further benefit of the doubt and are now doubly disappointed" thought.


Fair enough as well. But if the parents of the 14-year-old didn't talk to the parents of Kate, then they shouldn't have been going to the police.  My daughter is only 9. I fear the day when she starts dating (boys are still 'grubby') but I know the day is coming. I joke with Mrs. Fool that I am so glad she knows so many families in our small town, and knows the parents. My take-away is that we should talk to the kid and the parents in the future.

As to the lies of the Hunts, we don't know which of their contradictory statements are lies; many may be in the heat of the moment, repeating what they heard from their "adult" daughter or whatnot. Their daughter is facing jailtime for a high school relationship. That may have been a consensual relationship, but a relationship nonetheless. She may have been 18, with a 14 year old, but she probably was blinded.

I'm over 40. I couldn't imagine a relationship with anyone younger than 30, just because they don't have any worthwhile life experience (and Mrs. Fool would KILL ME.) But the age difference in high school isn't as large as we would like to believe.
 
2013-05-25 08:02:38 PM  

desertfool: we don't know which of their contradictory statements are lies


I'm presuming they knew their daughter's 18th birthday was in August 2012, at the start of the school year, and she didn't start seeing the 14 year old until November. So the "our daughter was 17 when this began" is both untrue and something they knew to be untrue, so a lie. Same goes for the rest of it. '

The younger girls parents did speak to Kate Hunt about it, according to their interview, and since they haven't been caught in blatant lies like the Hunts I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. She responded by having the 14 year old girl run away and spend the night at her house committing sexual battery on her. If the Hunts were aware of this, they should also be facing charges, so I'm wondering what we will see out of the continuing investigation. Kate wasn't blinded, she had all the information needed not to continue to pursue a sexual relationship against the express wishes of the younger girls parents. She chose to violate the law.
 
2013-05-25 08:10:20 PM  

kazikian: muck4doo: orbister: kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?

It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.

Don't bother talking to wannabe child molesters.

That's how you know the thread is over.


The thread was over once you and your buddy started defending having sex with 14 year olds.
 
2013-05-25 08:21:31 PM  
MutantMotherMouse

studebaker hoch: Ah yes, the awkward years when one of the couple reaches 18 and suddenly BECOMES A FELON if they continue acting like a couple. Then the other one reaches 18 and all is well on Planet Boink again.

Not so much in this case. The 14 year old is 2 years younger than age of consent. Given the fact that the 14 year old's parents contacted the 18 year old and her parents and asked that the 18 year stay away from their 14 year old -- and then the 18 year old helped the 14 year old to run away -- well, that ratchets everything up. 14 year olds should not be in sexual relationships -- even with other 14 years olds. And their "lovers" sure as hell should not be taking them out their home.


That's what I get for not R'ing TFA.  18 on 14 is too far.

/ I was boinking 14-16 year old girls when I was 14, and I always wondered what happens if two 14 or 15 year olds get caught?
 
2013-05-25 08:24:49 PM  

studebaker hoch: MutantMotherMouse

studebaker hoch: Ah yes, the awkward years when one of the couple reaches 18 and suddenly BECOMES A FELON if they continue acting like a couple. Then the other one reaches 18 and all is well on Planet Boink again.

Not so much in this case. The 14 year old is 2 years younger than age of consent. Given the fact that the 14 year old's parents contacted the 18 year old and her parents and asked that the 18 year stay away from their 14 year old -- and then the 18 year old helped the 14 year old to run away -- well, that ratchets everything up. 14 year olds should not be in sexual relationships -- even with other 14 years olds. And their "lovers" sure as hell should not be taking them out their home.

That's what I get for not R'ing TFA.  18 on 14 is too far.

/ I was boinking 14-16 year old girls when I was 14, and I always wondered what happens if two 14 or 15 year olds get caught?


Usually the parents don't press charges, as the other parents could respond in kind. I imagine home punishment covers a wide range, some of which would also be unacceptable.
 
2013-05-25 08:25:36 PM  
I dont understand why people think this isnt a common occurrence among highschoolers; seniors dating freshman.  If it were opposite sexes it would typically be ignored.  Especially if it were older boy on sports team dating younger girl cheerleader.

Almost every argument I have read against this particular case, personal reasons are cited -as opposed to general reasons.
 
2013-05-25 08:31:04 PM  

Frederick: I dont understand why people think this isnt a common occurrence among highschoolers; seniors dating freshman.  If it were opposite sexes it would typically be ignored.  Especially if it were older boy on sports team dating younger girl cheerleader.

Almost every argument I have read against this particular case, personal reasons are cited -as opposed to general reasons.


The general reason is that a 14 year old is not capable of consent, as they have not reached a level of nuerological development and psychological readiness to give informed consent.

The 18 year old had all the social capitol in the situation. She took advantage of an imbalanced power dynamic and preyed on a child fresh out of middle school for her own sexual gratification, with full knowledge of the fact that it was a felony, and escalated the situation rather than backing off when warned off by teachers, coaches, school administration and the victim's parents.

That enough reason for you?
 
2013-05-25 08:38:47 PM  

Boojum2k: desertfool: we don't know which of their contradictory statements are lies

I'm presuming they knew their daughter's 18th birthday was in August 2012, at the start of the school year, and she didn't start seeing the 14 year old until November. So the "our daughter was 17 when this began" is both untrue and something they knew to be untrue, so a lie. Same goes for the rest of it. '

The younger girls parents did speak to Kate Hunt about it, according to their interview, and since they haven't been caught in blatant lies like the Hunts I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. She responded by having the 14 year old girl run away and spend the night at her house committing sexual battery on her. If the Hunts were aware of this, they should also be facing charges, so I'm wondering what we will see out of the continuing investigation. Kate wasn't blinded, she had all the information needed not to continue to pursue a sexual relationship against the express wishes of the younger girls parents. She chose to violate the law.


Again, you are implying that the 18 year old made the 14 year old run away. You don't know that. I don't know the opposite. All we know is that she "ran away", and that she ended up at the house of her girlfriend. And "sexual battery" is a very loaded term. All we have is one interview of the parents of the 14 year old saying that they spoke to the 18 year old about the relationship. We don't know that they ever did.

You use very loaded language. So do all participants in this affair. None of us know what really happened;  Let's not get all Nancy Grace on this until (if) more comes out.
 
2013-05-25 08:40:39 PM  
Wow, I can't believe this thread is still going. Looks to me that a group of people think girl pedos are a-okay.
 
2013-05-25 08:44:23 PM  

Frederick: I dont understand why people think this isnt a common occurrence among highschoolers; seniors dating freshman.  If it were opposite sexes it would typically be ignored.  Especially if it were older boy on sports team dating younger girl cheerleader.

Almost every argument I have read against this particular case, personal reasons are cited -as opposed to general reasons.


They can date, they can't fark. No one is saying a senior can't date a freshman.

And I don't know about you, but I knew when I hit 18 before senior year that I wasn't putting it in freshman would get me jail time, from school and my parents.
 
2013-05-25 08:50:24 PM  

desertfool: And "sexual battery" is a very loaded term.


It's a precise one, and shorter than the actual legal term for what she did, which is lewd or lascivious battery.
 

desertfool: All we know is that she "ran away", and that she ended up at the house of her girlfriend.


Who picked her up in a car and drove her back to her home, per the affidavit. Willful intent and planning.

Again, I'm giving the younger girls parents the benefit of the doubt because they haven't been revealed to be lying about anything as of yet. There is no remaining benefit of the doubt for the Hunts, they used that up with the first round of lies.
 
2013-05-25 08:50:52 PM  

Surool: Wow, I can't believe this thread is still going. Looks to me that a group of people think girl pedos are a-okay.


I don't think that girl pedos are a-okay. But then again, I don't think 2 high school students farking are pedos. I am in the camp that thinks they are close enough in age/experience that no one is taking advantage of the other.
 
2013-05-25 08:54:12 PM  
 desertfool: All we know is that she "ran away", and that she ended up at the house of her girlfriend.

Who picked her up in a car and drove her back to her home, per the affidavit. Willful intent and planning.

Again, I'm giving the younger girls parents the benefit of the doubt because they haven't been revealed to be lying about anything as of yet. There is no remaining benefit of the doubt for the Hunts, they used that up with the first round of lies.


So she called the cell of her girlfriend and said "I ran away". So what was Kate to do? Say "Have a good night on the street"?? What would be planned about that?
 
2013-05-25 08:55:16 PM  

desertfool: Surool: Wow, I can't believe this thread is still going. Looks to me that a group of people think girl pedos are a-okay.

I don't think that girl pedos are a-okay. But then again, I don't think 2 high school students farking are pedos. I am in the camp that thinks they are close enough in age/experience that no one is taking advantage of the other.


As I've noted before, law, science, society, and the victim's parents all disagree with you, which far outweighs your opinion. You can feel free to also believe the sun should rise in the west and set in the east, and that you should be allowed to marry walnut trees, with about as much justification and effect.
 
2013-05-25 08:55:49 PM  
Someone should make a badge for this, and the previous, thread. Lots on nonsense in these. Some of which I have contributed to.
 
2013-05-25 08:59:22 PM  

desertfool: So what was Kate to do?


Tell her parents. Call the police. Tell the girls parents. Even not going to pick her up would have been better than taking her back home for sexual battery time.
 
2013-05-25 09:05:06 PM  

Boojum2k: desertfool: Surool: Wow, I can't believe this thread is still going. Looks to me that a group of people think girl pedos are a-okay.

I don't think that girl pedos are a-okay. But then again, I don't think 2 high school students farking are pedos. I am in the camp that thinks they are close enough in age/experience that no one is taking advantage of the other.

As I've noted before, law, science, society, and the victim's parents all disagree with you, which far outweighs your opinion. You can feel free to also believe the sun should rise in the west and set in the east, and that you should be allowed to marry walnut trees, with about as much justification and effect.


I'll give you "law" and the "victims parents" disagreeing with me. That's why this isn't an easy case. As to the sun rising in the west.... Watch many commercials with a sun rise and note how it rises. Many of them are  sunsetsshown in reverse. Something about the sun not rising over the ocean where they film them in California.
 
2013-05-25 09:05:14 PM  

desertfool: So what was Kate to do?


Scratch that "even" from my previous post. Absolutely not going to pick her up would have been the best option for Kate, along with contacting the girls parents, or having her parents do so, along with the police.
 
2013-05-25 09:10:27 PM  

desertfool: Surool: Wow, I can't believe this thread is still going. Looks to me that a group of people think girl pedos are a-okay.

I don't think that girl pedos are a-okay. But then again, I don't think 2 high school students farking are pedos. I am in the camp that thinks they are close enough in age/experience that no one is taking advantage of the other.


What is "close enough in age"? 8-15? 14-25?

Most 18 year olds aren't in high school. Only those born within a one or two week period in August or failures of the education system should be there. If she was born a couple weeks earlier, she never would have met the girl in the first place.

And if we are going to go with "high schoolers", what about educational failures who are 20-21 (one of which I linked above) pairing up against a 10 year old prodigy (one of which I also linked to above).

Where do you draw the line? Oh wait, we already did. No hanky panky til you are 16.
 
2013-05-25 09:11:01 PM  

desertfool: I'll give you "law" and the "victims parents" disagreeing with me. That's why this isn't an easy case. As to the sun rising in the west.... Watch many commercials with a sun rise and note how it rises. Many of them are sunsetsshown in reverse. Something about the sun not rising over the ocean where they film them in California.


I posted the links for science earlier, and society has seen fit to not only keep the laws protecting children on the books, but increased enforcement for them and certainly prosecuted them. So it doesn't matter if you don't give them to me, they're not yours.

Yeah, if this was a fantasy world like Hollywood, there would be background music as this courageous young lady fought a bitter legal battle for her right to sexually assault minors in the school bathroom. In the real world, she was offered a plea deal so sweet diabetics keeled over dead two counties over and she spit on it. She's either a predator who thinks rules and laws are for lesser people, not her, or being coached and managed by one or more.
 
2013-05-25 09:11:50 PM  

Boojum2k: desertfool: So what was Kate to do?

Tell her parents. Call the police. Tell the girls parents. Even not going to pick her up would have been better than taking her back home for sexual battery time.


Come on. Have you never been a teenager in love? Police? Your girlfriends parents who may have been the people she was running away from? Teenage hormones are not the most logical things in the world. She wanted may have wanted to protect her girlfriend. You assume she was a predator; I do not. You assume that when she turned 18 she suddenly became a rational actor; I do not.

Hell, I still am not sure I am rational. And I am 43. And again, "sexual battery time", while it might be a great name for a band, is very loaded.

/Time to relax for me.
//Have a good night.
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2013-05-25 09:20:22 PM  
This isn't 18/17, or 19/16.

18/14 is disgusting no matter what your gender is.
 
2013-05-25 09:20:38 PM  

desertfool: Have you never been a teenager in love? Police?


I've been a lot of things, both of those included. Somehow I've managed to make it through life without wanting or needing to sexually assault anyone, let alone a 14 year old. I didn't know that was an amazing accomplishment.
 
2013-05-25 09:24:58 PM  

Boojum2k: desertfool: So what was Kate to do?

Scratch that "even" from my previous post. Absolutely not going to pick her up would have been the best option for Kate, along with contacting the girls parents, or having her parents do so, along with the police.


You where hatched right fully formed and 25 years old or did you just not do anything crazy/stupid when you were that age?
 
2013-05-25 09:38:48 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Boojum2k: desertfool: So what was Kate to do?

Scratch that "even" from my previous post. Absolutely not going to pick her up would have been the best option for Kate, along with contacting the girls parents, or having her parents do so, along with the police.

You where hatched right fully formed and 25 years old or did you just not do anything crazy/stupid when you were that age?


No. Did some crazy things, but never felt the urge to commit statutory rape or any similar crime. As I said, apparently this makes me something of a prodigy.

Drive my Grand National at the governed limit of 135 mph when I was 20, yes, impulse to fark underage girls, never.
 
2013-05-25 09:50:34 PM  

Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: Boojum2k: desertfool: So what was Kate to do?

Scratch that "even" from my previous post. Absolutely not going to pick her up would have been the best option for Kate, along with contacting the girls parents, or having her parents do so, along with the police.

You where hatched right fully formed and 25 years old or did you just not do anything crazy/stupid when you were that age?

No. Did some crazy things, but never felt the urge to commit statutory rape or any similar crime. As I said, apparently this makes me something of a prodigy.

Drive my Grand National at the governed limit of 135 mph when I was 20, yes, impulse to fark underage girls, never.


Granted, neither have I and I'm old enough now I would date any one with younger than mid 30's but I still accept that kids can be stupid and yea I know you don't think 18 is a kid but I do. Hell back in 2003 I was sad to see all those kids go over there, etc..

Anyway I should have stayed out of this thread but the loaded words are killing me but ya I know welcome to Fark. Well happy days two teens are getting there lives Farked.
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2013-05-25 10:24:13 PM  
I still can't understand why this kid didn't accept the plea. She's never going to win and it will be in appeals for longer than she would have been in house arrest. I don't even know why I'm thinking about this.
 
2013-05-25 10:35:58 PM  

muck4doo: kazikian: muck4doo: orbister: kazikian: It's not hurtful unless the 14 year old says it is. Not the 14 year old's patents, not her teachers, not the world at large; WHEN. SHE. SAYS. SO. How is this so complicated?

It is complicated for precisely the same reason that consent is complicated. We've just had a couple of groups of men here convicted of grooming, abusing and pimping girls of 11 - 14. In many cases the girls "thought they had a relationship" with their abusers, and were reluctant to help the police.

Don't bother talking to wannabe child molesters.

That's how you know the thread is over.

The thread was over once you and your buddy started defending having sex with 14 year olds.


Don't you see any difference at all between an 18 year old having sex with her teenage girlfriend and a dirty old man raping little kids? Even if you think both cases are wrong, don't you think there should be separate laws in effect for each?
 
2013-05-25 10:45:39 PM  

FNG: I still can't understand why this kid didn't accept the plea. She's never going to win and it will be in appeals for longer than she would have been in house arrest. I don't even know why I'm thinking about this.


Well depending on what article you read the plea would have given her puppies and rainbows or from CNN probably not been a felony or sex offender, or fromHuffPo Under the state attorney's deal, Hunt would have been labeled a sex offender and placed on two years' house arrest, according to NBC affiliate WPTV. But it would still count as a felony and keep her out of lot's of colleges. And affect the rest of her life.
 
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