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2013-05-25 02:32:29 AM

Puckmarin: muck4doo: The funny part is you see nothing wrong with using high schoolers in pornorgraphy or the sex industry. Glad you approve of "Freshman" year in high school as sexual adults. They should all be legal by then, right?

At what point did I ever say that I approved of using high schoolers in porn?  I  didn't say that.

What I did say was that high schoolers should be able to decide who they have sex with and have complete control of their bodies.  That's a lot different than saying that high schoolers should be used in porn.


If they have complete control over their bodies then they can do porn, or else they really don't have complete control of their bodies and you're an idiot.
 
2013-05-25 02:32:39 AM

Puckmarin: muck4doo: The funny part is you see nothing wrong with using high schoolers in pornorgraphy or the sex industry. Glad you approve of "Freshman" year in high school as sexual adults. They should all be legal by then, right?

At what point did I ever say that I approved of using high schoolers in porn?  I  didn't say that.

What I did say was that high schoolers should be able to decide who they have sex with and have complete control of their bodies.  That's a lot different than saying that high schoolers should be used in porn.


Don't even bother. The limbs he's going out on will break on their own.
 
2013-05-25 02:33:57 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: muck4doo: Puckmarin: muck4doo: The obvious ugly point I've seen here is perverts saying girls as young as 12-14 should be free to have have sex with any perverted adult they run across, without the adult facing any consequences. You aren't fooling anyone why you feel this way. Most adults will always not perverts take advantage of children, no matter where you go, or where you try to do it. 12 to 17 year old girls are still children.

I'm pretty open about the fact that i think statutory rape laws are bullshiat and that men/women of high school age should have complete control over their bodies, lives, and sexuality.  If that means that you think I'm a pervert then you can go right on thinking that I'm a pervert.  Your opinion doesn't affect me one way or the other.

People need to learn to mind their own business, especially when it comes to other people's sex lives.  As long as all parties are consenting I could care less what you do.

The 12 year old was willing! Believe me officer!

Because it's the exact same thing? Really?
/Go fark your chicken.
//That's what you're doing right?


Why don't you look at the bigger farking picture. There are tons of perverted adults out there willing to exploit children, and of course they will always be against these types of laws. Look at this thread if you don't believe me. They can go put their own assholes up for a farking, but they would probably enjoy it. 12 years old should be available? Leave it to Fark. Bunch of sick farks. I have the most beautiful daughter in the world. She's an adult. I would never even suggest for her to look at Fark.
 
2013-05-25 02:34:07 AM
If an 18 year old male touches a 14 year old person of any gender it's sexual assault

So this 18 year old girl 'sexually assaults' a 14 year old girl and refuses to take an awesome-sounding plea deal because she's 'standing up for her rights'?

I think Gay Marriage is awesome, and cheered very un-Britishly when it was made law here a few days ago, but if you want equality, it goes both ways. Go down on a minor, you go down.

I'd love to Hear Takei's take on all this
 
2013-05-25 02:36:02 AM
This whole situation should have been worked out between the girls, their parents, a social worker/mediator and a police officer with a brain before getting to the courts.
 
2013-05-25 02:36:08 AM

hammer85: Puckmarin: muck4doo: The funny part is you see nothing wrong with using high schoolers in pornorgraphy or the sex industry. Glad you approve of "Freshman" year in high school as sexual adults. They should all be legal by then, right?

At what point did I ever say that I approved of using high schoolers in porn?  I  didn't say that.

What I did say was that high schoolers should be able to decide who they have sex with and have complete control of their bodies.  That's a lot different than saying that high schoolers should be used in porn.

If they have complete control over their bodies then they can do porn, or else they really don't have complete control of their bodies and you're an idiot.


The limb you're going out on is getting thinner and thinner.

I bet you are one of those people who think that teenagers who send naked pictures to other teenagers should be charged with child porn...
 
2013-05-25 02:36:37 AM

hammer85: The pro-child rape or the current walks to prevent that sorta thing?


Neither of those are sensible laws. False dichotomy. You've defeated your own argument!
 
2013-05-25 02:37:02 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: cybrwzrd: kazikian: muck4doo: Kazikian and fellow Fark idiots: We read "House of Saud, House of Bush", so we think there is all there is to know now about the Arab World.

/Can we stop being a nation of hypocrites?

I'm not arab.

Kazikian,

You are dealing with idiots who are incapable of reason and only blindly follow what their "betters" tell them is right. Conservatives.

Arguing with them is what Mark Twain meant when he said "Never argue with stupid people, they pull you down to their level and beat you with experience".

These people seriously think that puberty ends and begins in the split second between 17 and 18 and any sexual activity before then is pedophilia and anyone who says otherwise wants to have sex with infants, since everyone under 18 is still a child.

Crazy world, crazy thread.
/No I don't know the right answers or even the right questions.


I know a woman at work who calls her daughter her "baby". Nevermind that the "baby" is 17 years old. She also treats the poor girl like a baby and totally controls her life. Because of this the daughter in question is acting out and trying desperately to create some boundaries and this woman complains every day about how bad her daughter is. I told this coworker that she is the problem and if she stopped the whole "my house, my rules" BS then the daughter wouldn't have a need to assert her independence. But she does not listen as she firmly believes that her 17 year old daughter is still a baby (even though said mother had her first kid at 17).

Somewhere we a society farked up and started extending childhood well beyond what nature intended. Maybe I am wrong for believing that teens are not innocent children incapable of making their own decisions unless their parents are involved. I don't think that I am though. I think we need to loosen the reigns that we adults have been putting on teens over the past half-century and actually let them have some responsibility for their lives before we kick them out into the world at 18.
 
2013-05-25 02:37:40 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I can misinterpret things to say otherwise.


You said it, not me. I prefer women my own age +\- about 4-5 years (now). When I was a teenager it was closer to 1 or 2 years, generally in my own grade but one year up or down was ok (but rare).

I'm 50 so 45 to 55 is what would interest me. A 20 - 35 year old would be out of the question. A 35 to 45 year old would be ok but not what I would generally look to for any LTR. 55+ and I'd do it just for the AARP and such. ;)
 
2013-05-25 02:38:29 AM

Puckmarin: hammer85: Puckmarin: muck4doo: The funny part is you see nothing wrong with using high schoolers in pornorgraphy or the sex industry. Glad you approve of "Freshman" year in high school as sexual adults. They should all be legal by then, right?

At what point did I ever say that I approved of using high schoolers in porn?  I  didn't say that.

What I did say was that high schoolers should be able to decide who they have sex with and have complete control of their bodies.  That's a lot different than saying that high schoolers should be used in porn.

If they have complete control over their bodies then they can do porn, or else they really don't have complete control of their bodies and you're an idiot.

The limb you're going out on is getting thinner and thinner.

I bet you are one of those people who think that teenagers who send naked pictures to other teenagers should be charged with child porn...


What limb? I'm only saying exactly what you are saying.

Complete control of their bodies is complete control.

And why stop at high school, sounds like an arbitrary age to me?

What about 8 year old prodigies in high school? Better get those baby makers ready, cause you're Puckmarin legal now.
 
2013-05-25 02:39:01 AM

Puckmarin: muck4doo: The funny part is you see nothing wrong with using high schoolers in pornorgraphy or the sex industry. Glad you approve of "Freshman" year in high school as sexual adults. They should all be legal by then, right?

At what point did I ever say that I approved of using high schoolers in porn?  I  didn't say that.

What I did say was that high schoolers should be able to decide who they have sex with and have complete control of their bodies.  That's a lot different than saying that high schoolers should be used in porn.


No, you just suggested that 13 year olds should be free to have sex with adults if they say they wanted to. You and your sick tard fans like internet meme rogers
should all be ashamed of yourselves, but you won't. You bring so much shame on your families.
 
2013-05-25 02:39:09 AM

muck4doo: They can go put their own assholes up for a farking, but they would probably enjoy it.


This says everything there is to say about you.  You're a homophobe who has some serious issues with sex.

How dare someone do something that gives them sexual pleasure, right?
 
2013-05-25 02:40:03 AM

dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: Internet Meme Rogers: It's interesting that the posters in this thread who are obviously women have related either that they were fully aware, able to, and did consent to sex around the age of 14, or that they felt not ready at that age and chose to wait until they were older. I have yet to see one say they were children incapable of making that decision for themselves.

That's true, but I wouldn't say Fark women are representative of the general population.  This place is only for the strongest.

It would be instructive to see a study that tracked women who "gave in" during their minority and women who "saved it" until they were legal adults; say, up to age 30 or beyond.  Would there be any difference between the groups in terms of who still has sex because "he wants it" instead of because "I want it?"

In simple terms, does having sex while you're a minor increase your predisposition to let yourself be exploited?  (Exploitation can entail more than sex; that would be another interesting aspect of the study.)

Anybody got a link for me?  I can't think of how to google this  just now.

Not exactly what you are looking for but..http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/05/health/05baka.html?_r=0


I appreciate your trouble! :-)

Interesting difference between boys and girls... boys are unaffected by losing their cherries, girls are more affected they younger they are when they lose their cherries.

And this is why I posted the link to the opinions of these girls' schoolmates:

"One of the big findings here," Dr. Lindberg continued, "is that it's age norms and not the actual age that matters, and these norms vary depending on what group in society you're in."
 
2013-05-25 02:40:45 AM

Puckmarin: I bet you are one of those people who think that teenagers who send naked pictures to other teenagers should be charged with child porn...


I bet you are one of the ones trying to intercept those pictures.
 
2013-05-25 02:41:15 AM

Puckmarin: hammer85: Puckmarin: muck4doo: The funny part is you see nothing wrong with using high schoolers in pornorgraphy or the sex industry. Glad you approve of "Freshman" year in high school as sexual adults. They should all be legal by then, right?

At what point did I ever say that I approved of using high schoolers in porn?  I  didn't say that.

What I did say was that high schoolers should be able to decide who they have sex with and have complete control of their bodies.  That's a lot different than saying that high schoolers should be used in porn.

If they have complete control over their bodies then they can do porn, or else they really don't have complete control of their bodies and you're an idiot.

The limb you're going out on is getting thinner and thinner.

I bet you are one of those people who think that teenagers who send naked pictures to other teenagers should be charged with child porn...


Hey, did we just use the same metaphor moments apart? That's pretty cool.
 
2013-05-25 02:41:30 AM
chatikh:

Either you're talking about an entirely different case, or a 17-year-old is a legal adult. Because in this case, there was never a time when one girl was 14 and the other was 18. The article is cleverly worded so that people who don't know this story already, like most people commenting on this thread, are getting very confused on the details. The article says the girl was 14 when the relationship started. It doesn't mention that the older girl was 17 at this time. It doesn't mention that the younger girl turned 15 before the older girl turned 18.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit -Re dacted

No, either you're talking about an entirely different case, or you've really got your facts completely messed up.


From the arrest affidavit: Kaitlyn Hunt, DOB 8/14/94. The girls started dating in November of 2012 and began a sexual relationship before Christmas, 2012.

This quite clearly puts Kaitlyn at 18 when the relationship started, but that's actually a moot point. Because the younger girl was under 16, engaging in sexual activities with her was illegal.
 
2013-05-25 02:41:33 AM

dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: Internet Meme Rogers: It's interesting that the posters in this thread who are obviously women have related either that they were fully aware, able to, and did consent to sex around the age of 14, or that they felt not ready at that age and chose to wait until they were older. I have yet to see one say they were children incapable of making that decision for themselves.

That's true, but I wouldn't say Fark women are representative of the general population.  This place is only for the strongest.

It would be instructive to see a study that tracked women who "gave in" during their minority and women who "saved it" until they were legal adults; say, up to age 30 or beyond.  Would there be any difference between the groups in terms of who still has sex because "he wants it" instead of because "I want it?"

In simple terms, does having sex while you're a minor increase your predisposition to let yourself be exploited?  (Exploitation can entail more than sex; that would be another interesting aspect of the study.)

Anybody got a link for me?  I can't think of how to google this  just now.

Not exactly what you are looking for but..http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/05/health/05baka.html?_r=0


That's pretty much in line with the research I've looked at. Really, there's nothing too surprising in there, I don't think. Common sense will mostly get you there...

Laws of the sort being discussed here were designed to protect young girls against predatory behavior, like random older guys trolling for a one-night stand (because we intuitively understand those are damaging).

They were never meant to address adolescent sexual experimentation in the context of romantic relationships (because we intuitively understand that's just kinda part of adolescence).
 
2013-05-25 02:42:20 AM

Puckmarin: muck4doo: They can go put their own assholes up for a farking, but they would probably enjoy it.

This says everything there is to say about you.  You're a homophobe who has some serious issues with sex.

How dare someone do something that gives them sexual pleasure, right?


I'm sure you would approve if they are 12 years old.
 
2013-05-25 02:42:48 AM

muck4doo: You and your sick tard fans like internet meme rogers
should all be ashamed of yourselves, but you won't. You bring so much shame on your families.


Ohhhh. Okay, LOL. Nice job or whatever you wanted to get out of this troll.
 
2013-05-25 02:42:57 AM

Internet Meme Rogers: Hey, did we just use the same metaphor moments apart? That's pretty cool.


There's a reason I have you favorited.  Although, according to muck4doo you're one of my "sick tard fans"
 
2013-05-25 02:43:23 AM
To all of the "law is the law" knuckleheads, I'll say the same thing I said in the last thread:

If you think that a high school student having consensual sex with another high school student warrants a felony conviction for any reason whatsoever, REGARDLESS of their ages, you've either lost all sense of perspective, or you're batshiat crazy.
 
2013-05-25 02:44:17 AM
muck4doo:

While you and your ilk think as long as their is a little grass on the field it is plowing time? I can play those games with you too, or you can act like an adult.

Damn, you are an idiot. I think that you may be one of the dumbest people I have ever encountered on fark - daresay even worse than  Whoopity Whoo the Precious Bongo Boy.  I have not once in this thread advocated child abuse. I have only said that maybe the line between an adult at 18 is a little less black and white than 24 hours. How about instead of calling me a pedophile you debate me on my points that teens are not children and the line between legal adulthood and adolescence should not be written in stone? Or is that too hard for a mentally handicapped person like yourself?
 
2013-05-25 02:44:31 AM

Internet Meme Rogers: Hey, did we just use the same metaphor moments apart? That's pretty cool.


Two child porn approvers that flock together. Color me shocked.
 
2013-05-25 02:44:50 AM

Internet Meme Rogers: It's interesting that the posters in this thread who are obviously women have related either that they were fully aware, able to, and did consent to sex around the age of 14, or that they felt not ready at that age and chose to wait until they were older. I have yet to see one say they were children incapable of making that decision for themselves.


At fourteen, I was a child and hadn't ever even actually considered the possibility of having sex.  Happy now?
 
2013-05-25 02:45:38 AM

muck4doo: Puckmarin: muck4doo: They can go put their own assholes up for a farking, but they would probably enjoy it.

This says everything there is to say about you.  You're a homophobe who has some serious issues with sex.

How dare someone do something that gives them sexual pleasure, right?

I'm sure you would approve if they are 12 years old.


You've essentially stooped to personal insults.  You know what that means, right?  It means that you've totally lost this argument.

You're like a broken record now, saying the same thing over and over again... "but you want to have sex with a 12 year old"   Said over and over again...
 
2013-05-25 02:47:12 AM

Bumblefark: dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: Internet Meme Rogers: It's interesting that the posters in this thread who are obviously women have related either that they were fully aware, able to, and did consent to sex around the age of 14, or that they felt not ready at that age and chose to wait until they were older. I have yet to see one say they were children incapable of making that decision for themselves.

That's true, but I wouldn't say Fark women are representative of the general population.  This place is only for the strongest.

It would be instructive to see a study that tracked women who "gave in" during their minority and women who "saved it" until they were legal adults; say, up to age 30 or beyond.  Would there be any difference between the groups in terms of who still has sex because "he wants it" instead of because "I want it?"

In simple terms, does having sex while you're a minor increase your predisposition to let yourself be exploited?  (Exploitation can entail more than sex; that would be another interesting aspect of the study.)

Anybody got a link for me?  I can't think of how to google this  just now.

Not exactly what you are looking for but..http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/05/health/05baka.html?_r=0

That's pretty much in line with the research I've looked at. Really, there's nothing too surprising in there, I don't think. Common sense will mostly get you there...

Laws of the sort being discussed here were designed to protect young girls against predatory behavior, like random older guys trolling for a one-night stand (because we intuitively understand those are damaging).

They were never meant to address adolescent sexual experimentation in the context of romantic relationships (because we intuitively understand that's just kinda part of adolescence).


The funny part is you probably cant even see how sexist that statement is.  I learned so much about the gay community today.
 
2013-05-25 02:47:27 AM

Z-clipped: To all of the "law is the law" knuckleheads, I'll say the same thing I said in the last thread:

If you think that a high school student having consensual sex with another high school student warrants a felony conviction for any reason whatsoever, REGARDLESS of their ages, you've either lost all sense of perspective, or you're batshiat crazy.


So lets all get ready for

http://deadspin.com/5980849/fiba-no-dc-high-school-basketball-star-ju n ior-etou-really-is-20-years-old-it-says-so-on-his-birth-certificate

This soon to be 21 year old boy to have sex with

http://ghostsofdc.org/2013/05/10/10-year-old-girl-enters-central-high - school/

A 10 year old girl!

They're both in high school, totes legit
 
2013-05-25 02:48:55 AM

Radioactive Ass: cybrwzrd: These people seriously think that puberty ends and begins in the split second between 17 and 18 and any sexual activity before then is pedophilia and anyone who says otherwise wants to have sex with infants, since everyone under 18 is still a child.

The law says that. If you want to go down the "Conservative" path then you should know that California state laws are almost exactly the same as Florida's. That state legislature is dominated by "Liberals". Using your logic then the "idiots who are incapable of reason and only blindly follow what their "betters" tell them is right." are also liberals. This is not a right vs. left issue. It's a right vs. wrong issue.


Yeah, and you are in the wrong for believing that young adults are incapable of making their own decisions until an arbitrary date.
 
2013-05-25 02:53:06 AM

cybrwzrd: I have not once in this thread advocated child abuse. I have only said that maybe the line between an adult at 18 is a little less black and white than 24 hours


Romeo and Juliet exceptions cover the grey are quite adequately. Some would say too adequately but that's a different discussion.

As someone else said. The bright line at 16 is there to protect the 15 and under crowd from predators. It gives them some breathing room to grow into themselves a bit and to gain some life experience before reaching that age. From that point on they are tossed into the pool and can either sink or swim. The bright line at 18 with the R&J exceptions mean that they get tossed into the shallow end instead of the deep end at 16. At 18 it's all deep end from there on.
 
2013-05-25 02:53:22 AM

Amberleia: Internet Meme Rogers: It's interesting that the posters in this thread who are obviously women have related either that they were fully aware, able to, and did consent to sex around the age of 14, or that they felt not ready at that age and chose to wait until they were older. I have yet to see one say they were children incapable of making that decision for themselves.

At fourteen, I was a child and hadn't ever even actually considered the possibility of having sex.  Happy now?


This is a disingenuous answer. Are you saying that if an 18 year old tried to seduce you in some way you would have been totally helpless in reacting to it?
 
2013-05-25 02:53:26 AM

hardinparamedic: swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.

And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.


You're out of your farking mind, generalizing like that. Lots of healthy kids have sexual inclinations MUCH earlier than 13.

I had masturbation figured out by 5 or 6.
 
2013-05-25 02:54:39 AM

Brostorm: Bumblefark: dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: Internet Meme Rogers: It's interesting that the posters in this thread who are obviously women have related either that they were fully aware, able to, and did consent to sex around the age of 14, or that they felt not ready at that age and chose to wait until they were older. I have yet to see one say they were children incapable of making that decision for themselves.

That's true, but I wouldn't say Fark women are representative of the general population.  This place is only for the strongest.

It would be instructive to see a study that tracked women who "gave in" during their minority and women who "saved it" until they were legal adults; say, up to age 30 or beyond.  Would there be any difference between the groups in terms of who still has sex because "he wants it" instead of because "I want it?"

In simple terms, does having sex while you're a minor increase your predisposition to let yourself be exploited?  (Exploitation can entail more than sex; that would be another interesting aspect of the study.)

Anybody got a link for me?  I can't think of how to google this  just now.

Not exactly what you are looking for but..http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/05/health/05baka.html?_r=0

That's pretty much in line with the research I've looked at. Really, there's nothing too surprising in there, I don't think. Common sense will mostly get you there...

Laws of the sort being discussed here were designed to protect young girls against predatory behavior, like random older guys trolling for a one-night stand (because we intuitively understand those are damaging).

They were never meant to address adolescent sexual experimentation in the context of romantic relationships (because we intuitively understand that's just kinda part of adolescence).

The funny part is you probably cant even see how sexist that statement is.  I learned so much about the gay community today.


Heh. It's funny if you think reality is gender-neutral.
 
2013-05-25 02:54:42 AM

Puckmarin: muck4doo: Puckmarin: muck4doo: They can go put their own assholes up for a farking, but they would probably enjoy it.

This says everything there is to say about you.  You're a homophobe who has some serious issues with sex.

How dare someone do something that gives them sexual pleasure, right?

I'm sure you would approve if they are 12 years old.

You've essentially stooped to personal insults.  You know what that means, right?  It means that you've totally lost this argument.

You're like a broken record now, saying the same thing over and over again... "but you want to have sex with a 12 year old"   Said over and over again...


cybrwzrd: muck4doo:

While you and your ilk think as long as their is a little grass on the field it is plowing time? I can play those games with you too, or you can act like an adult.

Damn, you are an idiot. I think that you may be one of the dumbest people I have ever encountered on fark - daresay even worse than  Whoopity Whoo the Precious Bongo Boy.  I have not once in this thread advocated child abuse. I have only said that maybe the line between an adult at 18 is a little less black and white than 24 hours. How about instead of calling me a pedophile you debate me on my points that teens are not children and the line between legal adulthood and adolescence should not be written in stone? Or is that too hard for a mentally handicapped person like yourself?


When you two stop defending pedophilia, I'll stop blaming you two for defending it.
 
2013-05-25 02:58:09 AM

cybrwzrd: Yeah, and you are in the wrong for believing that young adults are incapable of making their own decisions until an arbitrary date.


A 14 year old is in no way a "Young Adult". They are years away from being considered so in any substantive way. 18-21 is a young adult. 21 and beyond is an adult.
 
2013-05-25 03:00:23 AM

muck4doo: kazikian: muck4doo: kazikian: I kinda wanna sum this up before I go to bed.

This is, bottom line, about one thing: spirit if the law vs. letter of the law. We should always strive to make the two as similar as possible. It's clear that here, the law being broken had little or nothing to do with the reason if the law. And that, ladies and gentlement, is the exact definition of "unjust."

Oh shut the fark up. The law is the law. If a man abuses an underaged girl it's against the law. If a woman ubuses an underaged girl it is still against the law. This biatch is trying to get a special exception because she abused her in a homosexual way. That is a bunch of crap. And anyone who thinks this should get special exception  is a tard as well. You aren't above the law for your sexual preferences.

So you make no distinction between just laws and unjust laws? Ok, hope you don't get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time one day.

That's funny that you are siding on just laws as those that support multiple wives and abuse. Tell me more about your views. I dare you to tell me about Islam.


Kazikian is incorrect; it is certainly possible for the letter and spirit of a law to coincide while the law is unjust.  "We're going to allow warrantless searches; in the spirit of making our work easier."

Justice is a matter of opinion about law and how law is executed.

To simply declare, "The law is the law" indicates apathy towards society's condition at worst, complacency with it at best.

"Abuse" is a much-abused word.  It is meaningless without definition specific to given circumstances.
 
2013-05-25 03:00:49 AM

muck4doo: When you two stop defending pedophilia, I'll stop blaming you two for defending it.


You are totally incapable of defending any of your points with anything resembling logic and intelligence, aren't you?

Everyone that you are "debating" (I use that term loosely) is saying that teenagers aren't children and shouldn't be treated as such.  Likewise, arbitrary age limits based on sex really don't work.  None of us are advocating pedophilia, child porn, or anything even close to that.
 
2013-05-25 03:02:07 AM

Puckmarin: muck4doo: When you two stop defending pedophilia, I'll stop blaming you two for defending it.

You are totally incapable of defending any of your points with anything resembling logic and intelligence, aren't you?

Everyone that you are "debating" (I use that term loosely) is saying that teenagers aren't children and shouldn't be treated as such.  Likewise, arbitrary age limits based on sex really don't work.  None of us are advocating pedophilia, child porn, or anything even close to that.


Of course not, if you had your way those terms wouldn't even exist.
 
2013-05-25 03:02:33 AM

Radioactive Ass: cybrwzrd: Yeah, and you are in the wrong for believing that young adults are incapable of making their own decisions until an arbitrary date.

A 14 year old is in no way a "Young Adult". They are years away from being considered so in any substantive way. 18-21 is a young adult. 21 and beyond is an adult.


Technically 18 is an adult (voting, being drafted, etc...).
 
2013-05-25 03:03:00 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: Puckmarin: Radioactive Ass: kazikian: No, he said 35 and 19 is ok, which it is.

No he did not. I asked if it was ok for a 30 year old and a 14 year old to have sex. he answered in the affirmative. His current girlfriend is 19 and he is 35. Read it again.

She's not really my "girlfriend" per se, more like a friend with benefits.  We're both free to see other people but that's not really important to this discussion.

As someone else put it, my point is that if you're going to give someone control of their sexuality (i.e. it's "OK" for a 14 year old to have sex with another 14 year old) you have to give them complete control over their sexuality.  So, if it's OK for them to have sex with someone their own age then it must be OK for them to have sex with someone older.

A 14 year old should not be having sex (boy or girl).  How the law handles it when it's two teens versus an adult and a teen is entirely different for good reasons.  Teenagers make shiat poor choices.  An adult is supposed to know better.

/yes, I know teens want to have sex and fighting nature is difficult

Wait a minute, were you not one of those asking me to "go on" when I said I had sex at 14.
I know a few here did and well isn't that asking for child porn?

/Just saying
//and hell yea, I knew what I was doing back then.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/joke

Come on Maggie.  This is FARK!

I know I'm just feeling biatchy right now, I think I'm gonna go take a hot bath and cool off, this thread has gotten me all stabby.
/Sorry.


It's not illegal child porn if it's only words, maggie. So go on....
 
2013-05-25 03:03:16 AM

hammer85: Z-clipped: To all of the "law is the law" knuckleheads, I'll say the same thing I said in the last thread:

If you think that a high school student having consensual sex with another high school student warrants a felony conviction for any reason whatsoever, REGARDLESS of their ages, you've either lost all sense of perspective, or you're batshiat crazy.

So lets all get ready for

http://deadspin.com/5980849/fiba-no-dc-high-school-basketball-star-ju n ior-etou-really-is-20-years-old-it-says-so-on-his-birth-certificate

This soon to be 21 year old boy to have sex with

http://ghostsofdc.org/2013/05/10/10-year-old-girl-enters-central-high - school/

A 10 year old girl!

They're both in high school, totes legit


Hey look, a stupid one-in-a-million exception...

That totes justifies making felons out of millions of kids every day for perfectly normal behavior.
 
2013-05-25 03:05:25 AM

Z-clipped: hammer85: Z-clipped: To all of the "law is the law" knuckleheads, I'll say the same thing I said in the last thread:

If you think that a high school student having consensual sex with another high school student warrants a felony conviction for any reason whatsoever, REGARDLESS of their ages, you've either lost all sense of perspective, or you're batshiat crazy.

So lets all get ready for

http://deadspin.com/5980849/fiba-no-dc-high-school-basketball-star-ju n ior-etou-really-is-20-years-old-it-says-so-on-his-birth-certificate

This soon to be 21 year old boy to have sex with

http://ghostsofdc.org/2013/05/10/10-year-old-girl-enters-central-high - school/

A 10 year old girl!

They're both in high school, totes legit

Hey look, a stupid one-in-a-million exception...

That totes justifies making felons out of millions of kids every day for perfectly normal behavior.


Exceptions are everything. Tell me, are you fine with that 21 year old having sex with a 10 year old?

After all, they're both in high school.

And if not, why not?

Challenge: can't use arbitrary age limits
 
2013-05-25 03:06:03 AM

Puckmarin: None of us are advocating pedophilia, child porn, or anything even close to that.


It sure reads that way to many of us.
 
2013-05-25 03:07:30 AM

Bumblefark: Brostorm: Bumblefark: dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: Internet Meme Rogers: It's interesting that the posters in this thread who are obviously women have related either that they were fully aware, able to, and did consent to sex around the age of 14, or that they felt not ready at that age and chose to wait until they were older. I have yet to see one say they were children incapable of making that decision for themselves.

That's true, but I wouldn't say Fark women are representative of the general population.  This place is only for the strongest.

It would be instructive to see a study that tracked women who "gave in" during their minority and women who "saved it" until they were legal adults; say, up to age 30 or beyond.  Would there be any difference between the groups in terms of who still has sex because "he wants it" instead of because "I want it?"

In simple terms, does having sex while you're a minor increase your predisposition to let yourself be exploited?  (Exploitation can entail more than sex; that would be another interesting aspect of the study.)

Anybody got a link for me?  I can't think of how to google this  just now.

Not exactly what you are looking for but..http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/05/health/05baka.html?_r=0

That's pretty much in line with the research I've looked at. Really, there's nothing too surprising in there, I don't think. Common sense will mostly get you there...

Laws of the sort being discussed here were designed to protect young girls against predatory behavior, like random older guys trolling for a one-night stand (because we intuitively understand those are damaging).

They were never meant to address adolescent sexual experimentation in the context of romantic relationships (because we intuitively understand that's just kinda part of adolescence).

The funny part is you probably cant even see how sexist that statement is.  I learned so much about the gay community today.

Heh. It's funny if you think reality is gender-neutral.


Its funny that you don't understand why laws have to be gender neutral
Its funny that you think people without equal responsibility deserve equal rights.

As a left leaning person myself, if the left wants to support having sex with 14 year olds as a cause worth fighting for, they are in for a rude awakening.
 
2013-05-25 03:08:14 AM
muck4doo:
When you two stop defending pedophilia, I'll stop blaming you two for defending it.

You really need to quit lusting after your daughter's teenage friends. I sense some repressed sexual tension from you thus your adverse reaction to someone saying that the law needs to keep out of adolescent's sex lives with other adolescents. I'm sorry that you couldn't get any in High School.

The first step is admitting that you are a ephebophile, the next is to stop watching "teen" porn. Let me break it to you, those teens are in their mid-late twenties.
 
2013-05-25 03:08:18 AM

Puckmarin: Technically 18 is an adult (voting, being drafted, etc...).


Drinking and holding many offices are limited to 21 and over. I could have said 25 as that's the youngest that you can be a congressional rep. Would that have been better? Would 18 to 25 is a young adult be a better description?
 
2013-05-25 03:10:16 AM

Radioactive Ass: Puckmarin: None of us are advocating pedophilia, child porn, or anything even close to that.

It sure reads that way to many of us.


Not Pedophilia. Just Ephebophilia. Which is pretty slimy too.
 
2013-05-25 03:10:20 AM

Z-clipped: hammer85: Z-clipped: To all of the "law is the law" knuckleheads, I'll say the same thing I said in the last thread:

If you think that a high school student having consensual sex with another high school student warrants a felony conviction for any reason whatsoever, REGARDLESS of their ages, you've either lost all sense of perspective, or you're batshiat crazy.

So lets all get ready for

http://deadspin.com/5980849/fiba-no-dc-high-school-basketball-star-ju n ior-etou-really-is-20-years-old-it-says-so-on-his-birth-certificate

This soon to be 21 year old boy to have sex with

http://ghostsofdc.org/2013/05/10/10-year-old-girl-enters-central-high - school/

A 10 year old girl!

They're both in high school, totes legit

Hey look, a stupid one-in-a-million exception...

That totes justifies making felons out of millions of kids every day for perfectly normal behavior.


Please supply any stats showing 14 and 18 year olds having sex is anywhere near 50% of high school age kids.  Hell, give me anything that says it is 15%
 
2013-05-25 03:11:52 AM

cybrwzrd: muck4doo:
When you two stop defending pedophilia, I'll stop blaming you two for defending it.

You really need to quit lusting after your daughter's teenage friends. I sense some repressed sexual tension from you thus your adverse reaction to someone saying that the law needs to keep out of adolescent's sex lives with other adolescents. I'm sorry that you couldn't get any in High School.

The first step is admitting that you are a ephebophile, the next is to stop watching "teen" porn. Let me break it to you, those teens are in their mid-late twenties.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-25 03:12:54 AM

hammer85: Z-clipped: hammer85: Z-clipped: To all of the "law is the law" knuckleheads, I'll say the same thing I said in the last thread:

If you think that a high school student having consensual sex with another high school student warrants a felony conviction for any reason whatsoever, REGARDLESS of their ages, you've either lost all sense of perspective, or you're batshiat crazy.

So lets all get ready for

http://deadspin.com/5980849/fiba-no-dc-high-school-basketball-star-ju n ior-etou-really-is-20-years-old-it-says-so-on-his-birth-certificate

This soon to be 21 year old boy to have sex with

http://ghostsofdc.org/2013/05/10/10-year-old-girl-enters-central-high - school/

A 10 year old girl!

They're both in high school, totes legit

Hey look, a stupid one-in-a-million exception...

That totes justifies making felons out of millions of kids every day for perfectly normal behavior.

Exceptions are everything. Tell me, are you fine with that 21 year old having sex with a 10 year old?

After all, they're both in high school.

And if not, why not?

Challenge: can't use arbitrary age limits


First of all, no, exceptions are NOT everything when determining the overall impact of a law on society.

Second, in answer to your question, it would depend entirely on the two people involved, and the circumstances under which they had sex.

Third, and most importantly, whether I'm "OK with it" and whether it should be a FELONY under the law are two entirely separate questions.
 
2013-05-25 03:15:07 AM

Z-clipped: hammer85: Z-clipped: hammer85: Z-clipped: To all of the "law is the law" knuckleheads, I'll say the same thing I said in the last thread:

If you think that a high school student having consensual sex with another high school student warrants a felony conviction for any reason whatsoever, REGARDLESS of their ages, you've either lost all sense of perspective, or you're batshiat crazy.

So lets all get ready for

http://deadspin.com/5980849/fiba-no-dc-high-school-basketball-star-ju n ior-etou-really-is-20-years-old-it-says-so-on-his-birth-certificate

This soon to be 21 year old boy to have sex with

http://ghostsofdc.org/2013/05/10/10-year-old-girl-enters-central-high - school/

A 10 year old girl!

They're both in high school, totes legit

Hey look, a stupid one-in-a-million exception...

That totes justifies making felons out of millions of kids every day for perfectly normal behavior.

Exceptions are everything. Tell me, are you fine with that 21 year old having sex with a 10 year old?

After all, they're both in high school.

And if not, why not?

Challenge: can't use arbitrary age limits

First of all, no, exceptions are NOT everything when determining the overall impact of a law on society.

Second, in answer to your question, it would depend entirely on the two people involved, and the circumstances under which they had sex.

Third, and most importantly, whether I'm "OK with it" and whether it should be a FELONY under the law are two entirely separate questions.


Jesus Christ you just admitted its okay for a 21 year old to fark a 10 year old.

Sick, twisted farks. But at least you're honest and consistent
 
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