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2013-05-25 01:57:51 AM

muck4doo: kazikian: I kinda wanna sum this up before I go to bed.

This is, bottom line, about one thing: spirit if the law vs. letter of the law. We should always strive to make the two as similar as possible. It's clear that here, the law being broken had little or nothing to do with the reason if the law. And that, ladies and gentlement, is the exact definition of "unjust."

Oh shut the fark up. The law is the law. If a man abuses an underaged girl it's against the law. If a woman ubuses an underaged girl it is still against the law. This biatch is trying to get a special exception because she abused her in a homosexual way. That is a bunch of crap. And anyone who thinks this should get special exception  is a tard as well. You aren't above the law for your sexual preferences.


So you make no distinction between just laws and unjust laws? Ok, hope you don't get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time one day.
 
2013-05-25 01:58:09 AM

Puckmarin: We'll never know what the conversation between the two parents was like. It could have been civil or it could have been something akin to "Keep your perverted gay daughter away from our precious, straight snowflake."


Regardless, they didn't go to the police first as many have alleged. What was in the conversation(s) between the parents will always be a he said, she said type of deal however, that they didn't go straight to the police indicates that they at least tried the usual way these types of things are dealt with between parents first. If they were as Mother Hunt said they were then there would have been no conversations at all.

If my 14 year old daughter was just starting to go out with an 18 year old I would be talking to either him or his parents and telling them that if it isn't stopped right away that the police would be getting involved. The responsibility is on the older one to realize what that means and break it off. Hard. A 14 year old may or may not realize what continuing the relationship would mean for her partner and that under the law is not responsible for her actions, but her parents are.
 
2013-05-25 01:58:22 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: Puckmarin: Something tells me that if your parents are going to charge your girlfriend (who you obviously care about & have had a somewhat long relationship with) with statutory rape that your home life probably isn't the best.

No necessarily.  Some 21 year old asshole was diddling my 16 year old, bipolar, substance abusing stepdaughter.  Because of her mental illness, she was completely out of control.   All she wanted was to get drunk and stoned and was willing to fark anyone with a bottle of cheap bourbon or some bud.

/her mother's inability to grow a spine didn't help
//If I had gotten my hands on him, I'd probably be in prison

Yikes sorry, bi-polar is a hell of a thing to deal with and I know, no really I know.


I had a friend who is bipolar.  Because she was medicated properly, she led a mostly normal life, though occasionally her bipolarism would rear it's ugly head and she'd go on a shopping spree from hell (and spend the rent money).  Because she recognized her problem, she accepted that she could not have a credit or debit card in hand that was tied to the primary bank account.  She had her own debit card and was given an "allowance" by her husband.  This was necessary and she knew it.  Unfortunately, she went off her meds.  Then she went off the deep end.  The last time I spoke to her I told her I wanted nothing to do with her until she was back in therapy and on her meds.  I haven't heard from her since.  Lesson learned, dealing with bipolarism is difficult, but not impossible.  But don't ever think you are "cured".  You aren't.

With my stepdaughter, she was prescribed medication, but her mother wouldn't make sure she took it and I was absolutely not allowed any say.  So of course the meds were not taken and of course she did not improve.  The last time I spoke with my ex-wife she boasted how her daughter was no longer bipolar and no longer needed meds.  I said nothing.  That was over five years ago.  I still wonder what happened.  I probably don't want to know.
 
2013-05-25 01:58:49 AM

Puckmarin: Radioactive Ass: kazikian: No, he said 35 and 19 is ok, which it is.

No he did not. I asked if it was ok for a 30 year old and a 14 year old to have sex. he answered in the affirmative. His current girlfriend is 19 and he is 35. Read it again.

She's not really my "girlfriend" per se, more like a friend with benefits.  We're both free to see other people but that's not really important to this discussion.

As someone else put it, my point is that if you're going to give someone control of their sexuality (i.e. it's "OK" for a 14 year old to have sex with another 14 year old) you have to give them complete control over their sexuality.  So, if it's OK for them to have sex with someone their own age then it must be OK for them to have sex with someone older.


How do you feel about child wives, bestiality, and multiple wives? Looks like you are already okay with the child wife thing.
 
2013-05-25 01:59:21 AM

legion_of_doo: kazikian: I kinda wanna sum this up before I go to bed.

This is, bottom line, about one thing: spirit if the law vs. letter of the law. We should always strive to make the two as similar as possible. It's clear that here, the law being broken had little or nothing to do with the reason if the law. And that, ladies and gentlement, is the exact definition of "unjust."

We have laws in a society. If there's grey area, there may as well be no boundary because nobody will understand it & it will be applied without equality.

Bright lines are there for a reason... so that the most stupid understands the rule. (If only we had brighter lines for banking regulations, but I digress)

Even without the bright line, the law seemed to be the last thing the 14-year old's parents turned to in order to address behaviors in their daughter (discipline issues, not lesbianism)... so I don't quite understand your outrage. There's hardly clarity in this issue to call the law unjust.

It's clear that you made up your mind before looking at the entirety of what is out there on this case, and convicted the parents of the 14-year old of being homophobes or ageist or something of that nature. The thing is, you are not emperor of the universe, free to pass your own laws and decisions. To assume that this case is clearly about injustice... it speaks volumes about you.


Well I've read articles dated today that said the younger girls parents never complained and that the Florida ACLU it on the side of the older girl so it's really easy to say stuff without links but well.


Kaitlyn Hunt Refuses Plea Deal

/Also says she would have been charged with a felony on the plea bargain and been on the sex offenders registry.
 
2013-05-25 01:59:59 AM

Puckmarin: bigwf2007: Puckmarin: Radioactive Ass: Apparently the parents of the 14 year old tried to settle this by talking to the other parents first. It's only when that failed did they go to the police. So I'm guessing that gay wasn't really a huge part of it. The mother of the 18 year old is the one who made a big deal out of it after her daughter was arrested. Most of what she has said was refuted by the police report.

We'll never know what the conversation between the two parents was like.  It could have been civil or it could have been something akin to "Keep your perverted gay daughter away from our precious, straight snowflake."

Hunt's family tried to claim that the other girl's parents never even contacted them before she was arrested. Sort of undercuts their credibility doesn't it?

Their credibility has nothing to do with what actually happened or didn't happen.


They are the only ones saying the only reason the other girl's parents complained is because it was a lesbian relationship.
 
2013-05-25 02:00:27 AM

legion_of_doo: kazikian: I kinda wanna sum this up before I go to bed.

This is, bottom line, about one thing: spirit if the law vs. letter of the law. We should always strive to make the two as similar as possible. It's clear that here, the law being broken had little or nothing to do with the reason if the law. And that, ladies and gentlement, is the exact definition of "unjust."

We have laws in a society. If there's grey area, there may as well be no boundary because nobody will understand it & it will be applied without equality.

Bright lines are there for a reason... so that the most stupid understands the rule. (If only we had brighter lines for banking regulations, but I digress)

Even without the bright line, the law seemed to be the last thing the 14-year old's parents turned to in order to address behaviors in their daughter (discipline issues, not lesbianism)... so I don't quite understand your outrage. There's hardly clarity in this issue to call the law unjust.

It's clear that you made up your mind before looking at the entirety of what is out there on this case, and convicted the parents of the 14-year old of being homophobes or ageist or something of that nature. The thing is, you are not emperor of the universe, free to pass your own laws and decisions. To assume that this case is clearly about injustice... it speaks volumes about you.


It is true that I was talking much more about the laws in general than this case in particular, and I apologize if I was unclear on that.
 
2013-05-25 02:01:15 AM

kazikian: muck4doo: kazikian: I kinda wanna sum this up before I go to bed.

This is, bottom line, about one thing: spirit if the law vs. letter of the law. We should always strive to make the two as similar as possible. It's clear that here, the law being broken had little or nothing to do with the reason if the law. And that, ladies and gentlement, is the exact definition of "unjust."

Oh shut the fark up. The law is the law. If a man abuses an underaged girl it's against the law. If a woman ubuses an underaged girl it is still against the law. This biatch is trying to get a special exception because she abused her in a homosexual way. That is a bunch of crap. And anyone who thinks this should get special exception  is a tard as well. You aren't above the law for your sexual preferences.

So you make no distinction between just laws and unjust laws? Ok, hope you don't get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time one day.


That's funny that you are siding on just laws as those that support multiple wives and abuse. Tell me more about your views. I dare you to tell me about Islam.
 
2013-05-25 02:02:02 AM
I work with a bunch of "teenagers". Even if their IDs say they are 18, 19, 20 and 21. They still have that High School mentality I find a lot of older people have long into their thirties and sometimes forties.

I asked one of them, the 18 year old, when he felt like an adult. He said he felt like an adult at 16 but he had been growing a mustache since 10! He felt he was an adult because he was capable of growing a full beard at 16.

Having been around him for a bit, he has that youthful 'I can get away with half-assing it' so called young punk attitude. I feel it is because of his mental age, not physical age, that he behaves the way he does.

The point is physical and mental are two different things. And really the fact of the matter is, most laws are NOT TO HELP YOU.

They are to punish and control your actions. We make things illegal and people still do them. We have a semi-orderly society because of the benefits most of us enjoy as a result of not letting things decay to the point of a majority just killing anyone at anytime for dumb reasons.

The only reason things work as well as they do is because we want them to. We literally as humans can do just about anything we want if we would cut the BS and just do it!

In this case I am in agreement with the majority, punishment is needed for elder girl. This is based because on what I know. Not what has come out in court so my opinion can change. So two things need to be covered.

1. Older girl broke the "Campground Rule". According to sources, again not dealing with all the facts since I have not heard from the other party involved. She left the younger girl in worse condition than she found her. That is leaving her vulnerable to future psychological issues due to how society will view and treat her based on her seeing this older girl. If things were different the situation would not have gotten as out of control as it has.

2. She actually had sex while not protected by any laws with a minor supposedly. Though age laws are bull shiate due to mental and physical being a whole mess of differing factors in my book. The thing is we have this arbitrary age line for a couple of important reasons. Most to give the majority of kids a chance to at least reach a point where we can honestly say as a society "We tried to give them time before the world ate them alive" pun not intended. But not completely try and screw kids over while they are young and are wanting to experience things they have heard about. Adults who are honest with themselves understand and know exactly what kids have gone through.

But still, even I at 17 did not fark my 15 year old girlfriend. Who turned 16, still did not fark her, three weeks after I turned 18. It would have been legal according to state law at that point. And at that age yea I was down with getting down but only once she was ready. I actually managed to keep my hormones in check because I let reason overcome lust. Plus it helped that I loved her and cared about her feelings.

Not many people have empathy, and as a teenager having it is a biatch because you do not want to inflict what has been inflicted on you. So yea respect played a big part in my choices concerning my gf.

This 18 year old honestly seems to have not given two craps about the well being of the younger girl according to what we know. So fark her. Seriously, if what has been said in the many repeatedly provided links in this thread are true. She should have just kept it platonic until she hit that magic mostly majority agreed on number for consensual sex.

But I know how hormones are and now I hope she does not get the book thrown at her.
 
2013-05-25 02:02:47 AM
In the same state we're talking about it is perfectly legal for a 16 year old young woman to go out and have sex with a 52 year old man, but a 14 year old young woman having sex with an 18 year old partner is a felony. If that is not enough of an illustration for anyone as to how goddamn stupid this is, I don't know what else to say to you.
 
2013-05-25 02:04:39 AM

muck4doo: kazikian: muck4doo: kazikian: I kinda wanna sum this up before I go to bed.

This is, bottom line, about one thing: spirit if the law vs. letter of the law. We should always strive to make the two as similar as possible. It's clear that here, the law being broken had little or nothing to do with the reason if the law. And that, ladies and gentlement, is the exact definition of "unjust."

Oh shut the fark up. The law is the law. If a man abuses an underaged girl it's against the law. If a woman ubuses an underaged girl it is still against the law. This biatch is trying to get a special exception because she abused her in a homosexual way. That is a bunch of crap. And anyone who thinks this should get special exception  is a tard as well. You aren't above the law for your sexual preferences.

So you make no distinction between just laws and unjust laws? Ok, hope you don't get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time one day.

That's funny that you are siding on just laws as those that support multiple wives and abuse. Tell me more about your views. I dare you to tell me about Islam.


I never even mentioned multiple wives. Or abuse.
 
2013-05-25 02:04:52 AM

muck4doo: How do you feel about child wives, bestiality, and multiple wives? Looks like you are already okay with the child wife thing.


Nothing you've listed here has anything to do with the discussion at hand.  There's a HUGE difference between a 14 year old willingly have sex with someone and someone being forced to be a "child wife."

Bestiality isn't even in the same ball park.

As for multiple wives, It's really no different than polyamory, which people don't seem to mind, although it's not for me.

Point being, if everyone is a 100% willing paticipant then who am I to judge?
 
2013-05-25 02:05:30 AM
Kazikian and fellow Fark idiots: We read "House of Saud, House of Bush", so we think there is all there is to know now about the Arab World.

/Can we stop being a nation of hypocrites?
 
2013-05-25 02:05:43 AM

Internet Meme Rogers: In the same state we're talking about it is perfectly legal for a 16 year old young woman to go out and have sex with a 52 year old man, but a 14 year old young woman having sex with an 18 year old partner is a felony. If that is not enough of an illustration for anyone as to how goddamn stupid this is, I don't know what else to say to you.


There. Yes. Good. I'm done now, for real.

/outie 5000. Peace, biatches
 
2013-05-25 02:06:19 AM

muck4doo: Kazikian and fellow Fark idiots: We read "House of Saud, House of Bush", so we think there is all there is to know now about the Arab World.

/Can we stop being a nation of hypocrites?


I'm not arab.
 
2013-05-25 02:07:33 AM

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: Puckmarin: Something tells me that if your parents are going to charge your girlfriend (who you obviously care about & have had a somewhat long relationship with) with statutory rape that your home life probably isn't the best.

No necessarily.  Some 21 year old asshole was diddling my 16 year old, bipolar, substance abusing stepdaughter.  Because of her mental illness, she was completely out of control.   All she wanted was to get drunk and stoned and was willing to fark anyone with a bottle of cheap bourbon or some bud.

/her mother's inability to grow a spine didn't help
//If I had gotten my hands on him, I'd probably be in prison

Yikes sorry, bi-polar is a hell of a thing to deal with and I know, no really I know.

I had a friend who is bipolar.  Because she was medicated properly, she led a mostly normal life, though occasionally her bipolarism would rear it's ugly head and she'd go on a shopping spree from hell (and spend the rent money).  Because she recognized her problem, she accepted that she could not have a credit or debit card in hand that was tied to the primary bank account.  She had her own debit card and was given an "allowance" by her husband.  This was necessary and she knew it.  Unfortunately, she went off her meds.  Then she went off the deep end.  The last time I spoke to her I told her I wanted nothing to do with her until she was back in therapy and on her meds.  I haven't heard from her since.  Lesson learned, dealing with bipolarism is difficult, but not impossible.  But don't ever think you are "cured".  You aren't.

With my stepdaughter, she was prescribed medication, but her mother wouldn't make sure she took it and I was absolutely not allowed any say.  So of course the meds were not taken and of course she did not improve.  The last time I spoke with my ex-wife she boasted how her daughter was no longer bipolar and no longer needed meds.  I said nothing.  That was over five years ago.  I still wonder what ...


My Aunt was diagnosed when she was in here 20's that was prior to Lithium BTW, or any other meds she had to go through a bunch including electroshock she's awesome but yea her husband controls her meds and I don't blame him. My brother is also bi-polar. Damn so many stories I ain't tellen'.

/And people wonder why I don't want kids.
 
2013-05-25 02:08:39 AM

Puckmarin: Radioactive Ass: kazikian: No, he said 35 and 19 is ok, which it is.

No he did not. I asked if it was ok for a 30 year old and a 14 year old to have sex. he answered in the affirmative. His current girlfriend is 19 and he is 35. Read it again.

She's not really my "girlfriend" per se, more like a friend with benefits.  We're both free to see other people but that's not really important to this discussion.

As someone else put it, my point is that if you're going to give someone control of their sexuality (i.e. it's "OK" for a 14 year old to have sex with another 14 year old) you have to give them complete control over their sexuality.  So, if it's OK for them to have sex with someone their own age then it must be OK for them to have sex with someone older.


A 14 year old should not be having sex (boy or girl).  How the law handles it when it's two teens versus an adult and a teen is entirely different for good reasons.  Teenagers make shiat poor choices.  An adult is supposed to know better.

/yes, I know teens want to have sex and fighting nature is difficult
 
2013-05-25 02:09:44 AM

Christian Bale: jayphat: runescorpio: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

Thats still 2 years of her life for being in a relationship that started out as legal. Letter of the law people are the reason western society is crumbling around the edges. There is no leeway for circumstance. No mercy for petty issues.
Making someones way of life illegal simply because they had a birthday and the law says that makes them an adult to me screams ignorance and for the most part indicates a broken legal system.

Their relationship never started out as legal ever. She was 18, the other girl was 14. At no point in time was this ever legal.

Except for when she was 17 and the girl was 14.


Arghhhh!  Would you read the article, read the comments, and read the statutes that state the age of consent in Florida is 16, and then tell me where you're getting the idea that 17 and 14 is legal

.  Even if the older girl had been 17, she was breaking the law being sexually involved with the younger girl. Anyone in Florida having sex with a 14 year old is breaking the law.
 
2013-05-25 02:11:16 AM

kazikian: muck4doo: kazikian: muck4doo: kazikian: I kinda wanna sum this up before I go to bed.

This is, bottom line, about one thing: spirit if the law vs. letter of the law. We should always strive to make the two as similar as possible. It's clear that here, the law being broken had little or nothing to do with the reason if the law. And that, ladies and gentlement, is the exact definition of "unjust."

Oh shut the fark up. The law is the law. If a man abuses an underaged girl it's against the law. If a woman ubuses an underaged girl it is still against the law. This biatch is trying to get a special exception because she abused her in a homosexual way. That is a bunch of crap. And anyone who thinks this should get special exception  is a tard as well. You aren't above the law for your sexual preferences.

So you make no distinction between just laws and unjust laws? Ok, hope you don't get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time one day.

That's funny that you are siding on just laws as those that support multiple wives and abuse. Tell me more about your views. I dare you to tell me about Islam.

I never even mentioned multiple wives. Or abuse.


Puckmarin: muck4doo: How do you feel about child wives, bestiality, and multiple wives? Looks like you are already okay with the child wife thing.

Nothing you've listed here has anything to do with the discussion at hand.  There's a HUGE difference between a 14 year old willingly have sex with someone and someone being forced to be a "child wife."

Bestiality isn't even in the same ball park.

As for multiple wives, It's really no different than polyamory, which people don't seem to mind, although it's not for me.

Point being, if everyone is a 100% willing paticipant then who am I to judge?


The obvious ugly point I've seen here is perverts saying girls as young as 12-14 should be free to have have sex with any perverted adult they run across, without the adult facing any consequences. You aren't fooling anyone why you feel this way. Most adults will always not perverts take advantage of children, no matter where you go, or where you try to do it. 12 to 17 year old girls are still children.
 
2013-05-25 02:11:27 AM

Internet Meme Rogers: In the same state we're talking about it is perfectly legal for a 16 year old young woman to go out and have sex with a 52 year old man, but a 14 year old young woman having sex with an 18 year old partner is a felony. If that is not enough of an illustration for anyone as to how goddamn stupid this is, I don't know what else to say to you.


16-23 age range not 16-52. 16-52 will get you 20 as well. 18 is the cutoff where everyone is fair game with a few exceptions regarding people in a position of authority over the person aged 18 if they are still in high school (aka teachers farking students), even then 19 years old and the teacher can go to town if they can make it happen in a legal manner (no roofies or things of that nature).
 
2013-05-25 02:11:56 AM

Internet Meme Rogers: In the same state we're talking about it is perfectly legal for a 16 year old young woman to go out and have sex with a 52 year old man, but a 14 year old young woman having sex with an 18 year old partner is a felony. If that is not enough of an illustration for anyone as to how goddamn stupid this is, I don't know what else to say to you.


22 , yes, that would be allowed under Florida's close-in-age exception. But 52? No, that is illegal.
 
2013-05-25 02:13:34 AM

muck4doo: kazikian: muck4doo: kazikian: muck4doo: kazikian: I kinda wanna sum this up before I go to bed.

This is, bottom line, about one thing: spirit if the law vs. letter of the law. We should always strive to make the two as similar as possible. It's clear that here, the law being broken had little or nothing to do with the reason if the law. And that, ladies and gentlement, is the exact definition of "unjust."

Oh shut the fark up. The law is the law. If a man abuses an underaged girl it's against the law. If a woman ubuses an underaged girl it is still against the law. This biatch is trying to get a special exception because she abused her in a homosexual way. That is a bunch of crap. And anyone who thinks this should get special exception  is a tard as well. You aren't above the law for your sexual preferences.

So you make no distinction between just laws and unjust laws? Ok, hope you don't get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time one day.

That's funny that you are siding on just laws as those that support multiple wives and abuse. Tell me more about your views. I dare you to tell me about Islam.

I never even mentioned multiple wives. Or abuse.

Puckmarin: muck4doo: How do you feel about child wives, bestiality, and multiple wives? Looks like you are already okay with the child wife thing.

Nothing you've listed here has anything to do with the discussion at hand.  There's a HUGE difference between a 14 year old willingly have sex with someone and someone being forced to be a "child wife."

Bestiality isn't even in the same ball park.

As for multiple wives, It's really no different than polyamory, which people don't seem to mind, although it's not for me.

Point being, if everyone is a 100% willing paticipant then who am I to judge?

The obvious ugly point I've seen here is perverts saying girls as young as 12-14 should be free to have have sex with any perverted adult they run across, without the adult facing any consequences. You aren't fooling anyone why you feel this way. Most adults will always not perverts take advantage of children, no matter where you go, or where you try to do it. 12 to 17 year old girls are still children.


I just realized that you're confusing at least some of my replies with someone else's.
 
2013-05-25 02:14:34 AM

kazikian: muck4doo: Kazikian and fellow Fark idiots: We read "House of Saud, House of Bush", so we think there is all there is to know now about the Arab World.

/Can we stop being a nation of hypocrites?

I'm not arab.


Mentioned it because there are still idiots out there who want to blame things on Islam. Muslims suffer more than anyone else from the fundie Wahhabi idiots, but still get get blamed from the know nothings in the west.
 
2013-05-25 02:15:53 AM

OgreMagi: Puckmarin: Radioactive Ass: kazikian: No, he said 35 and 19 is ok, which it is.

No he did not. I asked if it was ok for a 30 year old and a 14 year old to have sex. he answered in the affirmative. His current girlfriend is 19 and he is 35. Read it again.

She's not really my "girlfriend" per se, more like a friend with benefits.  We're both free to see other people but that's not really important to this discussion.

As someone else put it, my point is that if you're going to give someone control of their sexuality (i.e. it's "OK" for a 14 year old to have sex with another 14 year old) you have to give them complete control over their sexuality.  So, if it's OK for them to have sex with someone their own age then it must be OK for them to have sex with someone older.

A 14 year old should not be having sex (boy or girl).  How the law handles it when it's two teens versus an adult and a teen is entirely different for good reasons.  Teenagers make shiat poor choices.  An adult is supposed to know better.

/yes, I know teens want to have sex and fighting nature is difficult


Wait a minute, were you not one of those asking me to "go on" when I said I had sex at 14.
I know a few here did and well isn't that asking for child porn?
/Just saying
//and hell yea, I knew what I was doing back then.
 
2013-05-25 02:16:57 AM

muck4doo: The obvious ugly point I've seen here is perverts saying girls as young as 12-14 should be free to have have sex with any perverted adult they run across, without the adult facing any consequences. You aren't fooling anyone why you feel this way. Most adults will always not perverts take advantage of children, no matter where you go, or where you try to do it. 12 to 17 year old girls are still children.


I'm pretty open about the fact that i think statutory rape laws are bullshiat and that men/women of high school age should have complete control over their bodies, lives, and sexuality.  If that means that you think I'm a pervert then you can go right on thinking that I'm a pervert.  Your opinion doesn't affect me one way or the other.

People need to learn to mind their own business, especially when it comes to other people's sex lives.  As long as all parties are consenting I could care less what you do.
 
2013-05-25 02:17:01 AM

Radioactive Ass: Internet Meme Rogers: In the same state we're talking about it is perfectly legal for a 16 year old young woman to go out and have sex with a 52 year old man, but a 14 year old young woman having sex with an 18 year old partner is a felony. If that is not enough of an illustration for anyone as to how goddamn stupid this is, I don't know what else to say to you.

16-23 age range not 16-52. 16-52 will get you 20 as well. 18 is the cutoff where everyone is fair game with a few exceptions regarding people in a position of authority over the person aged 18 if they are still in high school (aka teachers farking students), even then 19 years old and the teacher can go to town if they can make it happen in a legal manner (no roofies or things of that nature).


You asked me to describe child porn.
/Just saying.
 
2013-05-25 02:18:01 AM

Puckmarin: BarkingUnicorn: Arthur Jumbles: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

If they both state that they stopped having sex after Hunt turned 18 because they were fearful of the legal consequences how are they going to prove otherwise?

They both stated that they did have sex after Kaitlyn turned 18.

The absurd thing about this whole case is that they could have legally had sex the night before Kaitlyn's 18th birthday but not the next day.


Tell me you really aren't this stupid.
 
2013-05-25 02:19:01 AM

kazikian: muck4doo: Kazikian and fellow Fark idiots: We read "House of Saud, House of Bush", so we think there is all there is to know now about the Arab World.

/Can we stop being a nation of hypocrites?

I'm not arab.


Kazikian,

You are dealing with idiots who are incapable of reason and only blindly follow what their "betters" tell them is right. Conservatives.

Arguing with them is what Mark Twain meant when he said "Never argue with stupid people, they pull you down to their level and beat you with experience".

These people seriously think that puberty ends and begins in the split second between 17 and 18 and any sexual activity before then is pedophilia and anyone who says otherwise wants to have sex with infants, since everyone under 18 is still a child.
 
2013-05-25 02:20:36 AM

Puckmarin: muck4doo: The obvious ugly point I've seen here is perverts saying girls as young as 12-14 should be free to have have sex with any perverted adult they run across, without the adult facing any consequences. You aren't fooling anyone why you feel this way. Most adults will always not perverts take advantage of children, no matter where you go, or where you try to do it. 12 to 17 year old girls are still children.

I'm pretty open about the fact that i think statutory rape laws are bullshiat and that men/women of high school age should have complete control over their bodies, lives, and sexuality.  If that means that you think I'm a pervert then you can go right on thinking that I'm a pervert.  Your opinion doesn't affect me one way or the other.

People need to learn to mind their own business, especially when it comes to other people's sex lives.  As long as all parties are consenting I could care less what you do.


The 12 year old was willing! Believe me officer!
 
2013-05-25 02:21:46 AM

cybrwzrd: kazikian: muck4doo: Kazikian and fellow Fark idiots: We read "House of Saud, House of Bush", so we think there is all there is to know now about the Arab World.

/Can we stop being a nation of hypocrites?

I'm not arab.

Kazikian,

You are dealing with idiots who are incapable of reason and only blindly follow what their "betters" tell them is right. Conservatives.

Arguing with them is what Mark Twain meant when he said "Never argue with stupid people, they pull you down to their level and beat you with experience".

These people seriously think that puberty ends and begins in the split second between 17 and 18 and any sexual activity before then is pedophilia and anyone who says otherwise wants to have sex with infants, since everyone under 18 is still a child.


Crazy world, crazy thread.
/No I don't know the right answers or even the right questions.
 
2013-05-25 02:21:51 AM
Lets break down the pro-child porn arguments:

The argument:
Sex between 14 and 18 year old is okay.

Now lets look at the reasons why:
-Age restrictions are arbitrary:
Okay then so how do we determine the proper age?

Two main ideas have been proposed:
-willing and consenting
If this is true then they are admitting a 45 year old can have sex with a 14 year old

If they argue that 45 is not okay then they have made an arbitrary age limit and break their argument entirely. It also goes the other way, an 8 year old with an 18 year old, why is 8 too low but 14 okay?

-peer group
If this is the argument how do you define peer group

Lets first discuss time:
In this case these girls knew each other for less than a few months before dating, is that adequate time to be "peers"?

Lets say September - November is your limit, when school began and the younger started in high school, so 3 months.

In this any freshman in high school can have sex with anyone from middle school, as they spent the same amount of time before they graduated middle school

If this is not the case, then you are once again setting arbitrary limits and defeat your own argument

Lets figure out WHAT a peer group is.

From wiki "A peer group is both a social group and a primary group of people. Peer group may be defined as a group of people who, through homophily, share similarities such as age, background, and social status. The members of this group are likely to influence the person's beliefs and behaviour.[1] Peer groups contain hierarchies and distinct patterns of behavior."

So lets start with age:

If a 4 year difference is considered a peer group, 14 year olds can now fark 8 year olds, or you have defeated your own argument

Backgrounds:

Can't really comment on this because I don't care to delve into personal lives.

Social status:

Senior and freshman do not overlap, so no go here.

Influential people:

The 18 year old was clearly influential enough to get the 14 year old to run away.

What about parents, teachers, brothers, police, neighbors, Justin beiber? All of these are also influential people, should they be allowed to fark the little girl? If not, then once again you are defeating your own argument by either age or authority.


In summary: if you argue an 18 year old can fark a 14 year old, you're arguing for no limits at all, and child porn should now be legal, else you are just arbitrarily making laws like you are arguing against
 
2013-05-25 02:22:42 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: You asked me to describe child porn.
/Just saying.


What? You need to reread that exchange. I was joking about the Obelisk comment. Not your comment.
 
2013-05-25 02:22:46 AM

muck4doo: I'm pretty open about the fact that i think statutory rape laws are bullshiat and that men/women of high school age should have complete control over their bodies, lives, and sexuality.  If that means that you think I'm a pervert then you can go right on thinking that I'm a pervert.  Your opinion doesn't affect me one way or the other.

People need to learn to mind their own business, especially when it comes to other people's sex lives.  As long as all parties are consenting I could care less what you do.

The 12 year old was willing! Believe me officer!


I think it's funny that I clearly state "high school age" which implies 14+  and you immediately use a 12 year old in an example to refute me.
 
2013-05-25 02:23:09 AM

cybrwzrd: kazikian: muck4doo: Kazikian and fellow Fark idiots: We read "House of Saud, House of Bush", so we think there is all there is to know now about the Arab World.

/Can we stop being a nation of hypocrites?

I'm not arab.

Kazikian,

You are dealing with idiots who are incapable of reason and only blindly follow what their "betters" tell them is right. Conservatives.

Arguing with them is what Mark Twain meant when he said "Never argue with stupid people, they pull you down to their level and beat you with experience".

These people seriously think that puberty ends and begins in the split second between 17 and 18 and any sexual activity before then is pedophilia and anyone who says otherwise wants to have sex with infants, since everyone under 18 is still a child.


Bless your soul for saying so.

The sad thing is these people, "black and white" kind of thinkers, are often the greater part of the lawmaking process. Which sort of brings the whole thing full-circle.
 
2013-05-25 02:23:50 AM

cybrwzrd: kazikian: muck4doo: Kazikian and fellow Fark idiots: We read "House of Saud, House of Bush", so we think there is all there is to know now about the Arab World.

/Can we stop being a nation of hypocrites?

I'm not arab.

Kazikian,

You are dealing with idiots who are incapable of reason and only blindly follow what their "betters" tell them is right. Conservatives.

Arguing with them is what Mark Twain meant when he said "Never argue with stupid people, they pull you down to their level and beat you with experience".

These people seriously think that puberty ends and begins in the split second between 17 and 18 and any sexual activity before then is pedophilia and anyone who says otherwise wants to have sex with infants, since everyone under 18 is still a child.


While you and your ilk think as long as their is a little grass on the field it is plowing time? I can play those games with you too, or you can act like an adult.

Puckmarin: As long as all parties are consenting I could care less what you do.


SMH
 
2013-05-25 02:24:23 AM

muck4doo: Puckmarin: muck4doo: The obvious ugly point I've seen here is perverts saying girls as young as 12-14 should be free to have have sex with any perverted adult they run across, without the adult facing any consequences. You aren't fooling anyone why you feel this way. Most adults will always not perverts take advantage of children, no matter where you go, or where you try to do it. 12 to 17 year old girls are still children.

I'm pretty open about the fact that i think statutory rape laws are bullshiat and that men/women of high school age should have complete control over their bodies, lives, and sexuality.  If that means that you think I'm a pervert then you can go right on thinking that I'm a pervert.  Your opinion doesn't affect me one way or the other.

People need to learn to mind their own business, especially when it comes to other people's sex lives.  As long as all parties are consenting I could care less what you do.

The 12 year old was willing! Believe me officer!


Because it's the exact same thing? Really?
/Go fark your chicken.
//That's what you're doing right?
 
2013-05-25 02:25:43 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: Puckmarin: Radioactive Ass: kazikian: No, he said 35 and 19 is ok, which it is.

No he did not. I asked if it was ok for a 30 year old and a 14 year old to have sex. he answered in the affirmative. His current girlfriend is 19 and he is 35. Read it again.

She's not really my "girlfriend" per se, more like a friend with benefits.  We're both free to see other people but that's not really important to this discussion.

As someone else put it, my point is that if you're going to give someone control of their sexuality (i.e. it's "OK" for a 14 year old to have sex with another 14 year old) you have to give them complete control over their sexuality.  So, if it's OK for them to have sex with someone their own age then it must be OK for them to have sex with someone older.

A 14 year old should not be having sex (boy or girl).  How the law handles it when it's two teens versus an adult and a teen is entirely different for good reasons.  Teenagers make shiat poor choices.  An adult is supposed to know better.

/yes, I know teens want to have sex and fighting nature is difficult

Wait a minute, were you not one of those asking me to "go on" when I said I had sex at 14.
I know a few here did and well isn't that asking for child porn?
/Just saying
//and hell yea, I knew what I was doing back then.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/joke

Come on Maggie.  This is FARK!
 
2013-05-25 02:25:56 AM

Radioactive Ass: tinfoil-hat maggie: You asked me to describe child porn.
/Just saying.

What? You need to reread that exchange. I was joking about the Obelisk comment. Not your comment.


I can misinterpret things to say otherwise.
 
2013-05-25 02:26:01 AM

hammer85: Lets break down the pro-child porn arguments:

The argument:
Sex between 14 and 18 year old is okay.

Now lets look at the reasons why:
-Age restrictions are arbitrary:
Okay then so how do we determine the proper age?

Two main ideas have been proposed:
-willing and consenting
If this is true then they are admitting a 45 year old can have sex with a 14 year old

If they argue that 45 is not okay then they have made an arbitrary age limit and break their argument entirely. It also goes the other way, an 8 year old with an 18 year old, why is 8 too low but 14 okay?

-peer group
If this is the argument how do you define peer group

Lets first discuss time:
In this case these girls knew each other for less than a few months before dating, is that adequate time to be "peers"?

Lets say September - November is your limit, when school began and the younger started in high school, so 3 months.

In this any freshman in high school can have sex with anyone from middle school, as they spent the same amount of time before they graduated middle school

If this is not the case, then you are once again setting arbitrary limits and defeat your own argument

Lets figure out WHAT a peer group is.

From wiki "A peer group is both a social group and a primary group of people. Peer group may be defined as a group of people who, through homophily, share similarities such as age, background, and social status. The members of this group are likely to influence the person's beliefs and behaviour.[1] Peer groups contain hierarchies and distinct patterns of behavior."

So lets start with age:

If a 4 year difference is considered a peer group, 14 year olds can now fark 8 year olds, or you have defeated your own argument

Backgrounds:

Can't really comment on this because I don't care to delve into personal lives.

Social status:

Senior and freshman do not overlap, so no go here.

Influential people:

The 18 year old was clearly influential enough to get the 14 year old to run away.

What about parents, teachers, brothers, police, neighbors, Justin beiber? All of these are also influential people, should they be allowed to fark the little girl? If not, then once again you are defeating your own argument by either age or authority.


In summary: if you argue an 18 year old can fark a 14 year old, you're arguing for no limits at all, and child porn should now be legal, else you are just arbitrarily making laws like you are arguing against


You are so obtuse! All I advocate is flexible arbitrary limits (an age range) vs. hard and set ones. It's such a logical, obvious solution.
 
2013-05-25 02:27:04 AM

hammer85: Lets break down the pro-child porn arguments:


Are you high right now?

I see I've been refuted about how the age of consent works in Florida. Very well. I will merely remark that as a woman I find how it works to be an affront and wrong and further ridiculousness.
 
2013-05-25 02:27:22 AM

cybrwzrd: These people seriously think that puberty ends and begins in the split second between 17 and 18 and any sexual activity before then is pedophilia and anyone who says otherwise wants to have sex with infants, since everyone under 18 is still a child.


The law says that. If you want to go down the "Conservative" path then you should know that California state laws are almost exactly the same as Florida's. That state legislature is dominated by "Liberals". Using your logic then the "idiots who are incapable of reason and only blindly follow what their "betters" tell them is right." are also liberals. This is not a right vs. left issue. It's a right vs. wrong issue.
 
2013-05-25 02:28:13 AM

kazikian: hammer85: Lets break down the pro-child porn arguments:

The argument:
Sex between 14 and 18 year old is okay.

Now lets look at the reasons why:
-Age restrictions are arbitrary:
Okay then so how do we determine the proper age?

Two main ideas have been proposed:
-willing and consenting
If this is true then they are admitting a 45 year old can have sex with a 14 year old

If they argue that 45 is not okay then they have made an arbitrary age limit and break their argument entirely. It also goes the other way, an 8 year old with an 18 year old, why is 8 too low but 14 okay?

-peer group
If this is the argument how do you define peer group

Lets first discuss time:
In this case these girls knew each other for less than a few months before dating, is that adequate time to be "peers"?

Lets say September - November is your limit, when school began and the younger started in high school, so 3 months.

In this any freshman in high school can have sex with anyone from middle school, as they spent the same amount of time before they graduated middle school

If this is not the case, then you are once again setting arbitrary limits and defeat your own argument

Lets figure out WHAT a peer group is.

From wiki "A peer group is both a social group and a primary group of people. Peer group may be defined as a group of people who, through homophily, share similarities such as age, background, and social status. The members of this group are likely to influence the person's beliefs and behaviour.[1] Peer groups contain hierarchies and distinct patterns of behavior."

So lets start with age:

If a 4 year difference is considered a peer group, 14 year olds can now fark 8 year olds, or you have defeated your own argument

Backgrounds:

Can't really comment on this because I don't care to delve into personal lives.

Social status:

Senior and freshman do not overlap, so no go here.

Influential people:

The 18 year old was clearly influential enough to get the 14 year old to run away.

What about parents, teachers, brothers, police, neighbors, Justin beiber? All of these are also influential people, should they be allowed to fark the little girl? If not, then once again you are defeating your own argument by either age or authority.


In summary: if you argue an 18 year old can fark a 14 year old, you're arguing for no limits at all, and child porn should now be legal, else you are just arbitrarily making laws like you are arguing against

You are so obtuse! All I advocate is flexible arbitrary limits (an age range) vs. hard and set ones. It's such a logical, obvious solution.


How is an age range any less arbitrary than the arbitrary ones set now?
 
2013-05-25 02:28:21 AM

Puckmarin: muck4doo: I'm pretty open about the fact that i think statutory rape laws are bullshiat and that men/women of high school age should have complete control over their bodies, lives, and sexuality.  If that means that you think I'm a pervert then you can go right on thinking that I'm a pervert.  Your opinion doesn't affect me one way or the other.

People need to learn to mind their own business, especially when it comes to other people's sex lives.  As long as all parties are consenting I could care less what you do.

The 12 year old was willing! Believe me officer!

I think it's funny that I clearly state "high school age" which implies 14+  and you immediately use a 12 year old in an example to refute me.


The funny part is you see nothing wrong with using high schoolers in pornorgraphy or the sex industry. Glad you approve of "Freshman" year in high school as sexual adults. They should all be legal by then, right?
 
2013-05-25 02:28:32 AM
When you spend 14 years raising a child as a continuation of your material and find that shes decided to engage in a behavior in which continuation is not likely, you get mad.  Throw in some religious justification and you got yourself a heap of trouble. Yup.

Laws are straight lines in a world that curves.  A lot of this comes down to the little details.  Either side could be reasonable or perhaps even both.  Maybe neither.
 
2013-05-25 02:30:06 AM

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: Puckmarin: Radioactive Ass: kazikian: No, he said 35 and 19 is ok, which it is.

No he did not. I asked if it was ok for a 30 year old and a 14 year old to have sex. he answered in the affirmative. His current girlfriend is 19 and he is 35. Read it again.

She's not really my "girlfriend" per se, more like a friend with benefits.  We're both free to see other people but that's not really important to this discussion.

As someone else put it, my point is that if you're going to give someone control of their sexuality (i.e. it's "OK" for a 14 year old to have sex with another 14 year old) you have to give them complete control over their sexuality.  So, if it's OK for them to have sex with someone their own age then it must be OK for them to have sex with someone older.

A 14 year old should not be having sex (boy or girl).  How the law handles it when it's two teens versus an adult and a teen is entirely different for good reasons.  Teenagers make shiat poor choices.  An adult is supposed to know better.

/yes, I know teens want to have sex and fighting nature is difficult

Wait a minute, were you not one of those asking me to "go on" when I said I had sex at 14.
I know a few here did and well isn't that asking for child porn?
/Just saying
//and hell yea, I knew what I was doing back then.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/joke

Come on Maggie.  This is FARK!


I know I'm just feeling biatchy right now, I think I'm gonna go take a hot bath and cool off, this thread has gotten me all stabby.
/Sorry.
 
2013-05-25 02:30:18 AM
I think I found a picture of hammer85.

blogs.oc.edu

He finds sensible laws INCONCEIVABLE!
 
2013-05-25 02:30:42 AM

muck4doo: The funny part is you see nothing wrong with using high schoolers in pornorgraphy or the sex industry. Glad you approve of "Freshman" year in high school as sexual adults. They should all be legal by then, right?


At what point did I ever say that I approved of using high schoolers in porn?  I  didn't say that.

What I did say was that high schoolers should be able to decide who they have sex with and have complete control of their bodies.  That's a lot different than saying that high schoolers should be used in porn.
 
2013-05-25 02:30:52 AM
Right, I'm gonna try once more to end my role in this discussion for the night.

Muck4doo: I hope you get arrested for soliciting a prostitute.
 
2013-05-25 02:30:54 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: Puckmarin: Radioactive Ass: kazikian: No, he said 35 and 19 is ok, which it is.

No he did not. I asked if it was ok for a 30 year old and a 14 year old to have sex. he answered in the affirmative. His current girlfriend is 19 and he is 35. Read it again.

She's not really my "girlfriend" per se, more like a friend with benefits.  We're both free to see other people but that's not really important to this discussion.

As someone else put it, my point is that if you're going to give someone control of their sexuality (i.e. it's "OK" for a 14 year old to have sex with another 14 year old) you have to give them complete control over their sexuality.  So, if it's OK for them to have sex with someone their own age then it must be OK for them to have sex with someone older.

A 14 year old should not be having sex (boy or girl).  How the law handles it when it's two teens versus an adult and a teen is entirely different for good reasons.  Teenagers make shiat poor choices.  An adult is supposed to know better.

/yes, I know teens want to have sex and fighting nature is difficult

Wait a minute, were you not one of those asking me to "go on" when I said I had sex at 14.
I know a few here did and well isn't that asking for child porn?
/Just saying
//and hell yea, I knew what I was doing back then.


I should clarify.  I believe the majority of 14 year olds aren't ready for sex and the potential consequences.  Some are.  However, the law can't make that distinction, so (as I previously stated) an age of consent is decided upon.

And in the interest of full disclosure, at the age of 14 the ONLY thing I wanted was to touch an actual real live boobie and have sex.  That doesn't mean I was ready to knock up a girl and be a daddy.
 
2013-05-25 02:31:15 AM

doglover: I think I found a picture of hammer85.



He finds sensible laws INCONCEIVABLE!


Which sensible ones are we talking about? The pro-child rape or the current walks to prevent that sorta thing?

I'm pretty much for the latter
 
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