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2013-05-25 12:27:54 AM  

Christian Bale: Except for when she was 17 and the girl was 14.


That never happened. The mother lied about her daughters age. But even if it were true a 14 year old cannot consent to sex with someone of any age. Including other 14 year olds.
 
2013-05-25 12:27:55 AM  

ciberido: jayphat: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

No it didn't and no they didn't. Go reread the facts of this case please, then comment.


"In statements posted to a, Hunt's parents allege that their daughter's relationship with her girlfriend, who was 14 when they began dating, was known to the other girl's parents. They implied that the other girl's parents waited until Hunt turned 18 to press charges."

So yes, they did, or at least it is alleged that they did.   Go reread the facts of this case please, then comment.


Read the arrest affidavit, or just page one of this thread. Its pretty clear.
 
2013-05-25 12:28:04 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Puckmarin: I'm 35 and I have a 19 year old f*ck buddy.  That's a 16 year old age difference.  I'm technically old enough to be her father.  There's nothing wrong with this scenario legally or morally.

We are freaking out when two people with a 4 year age difference had sex because one of them happened to be past an arbitrary age that was set years ago by people who know nothing about the two girls having sex with each other.  How is that fair?

Ahhh. Now it's clear. You like 'em young. Well currently you're within the law. But what if you were 5 years younger. Are you saying that the 30 year old you should have been able to fark 14 year olds? If yes why. If no why.


I'm saying that I think that a 14 year old should be allowed to make decisions about who they have sex with and their parents shouldn't be able to press charges against their partner.
 
2013-05-25 12:28:21 AM  
Statutory rape is rape because a child is unable to consent to sex with an adult.
 
2013-05-25 12:28:35 AM  

redslippers: For farks sake, it was never 17 and 14, and even if it had been, that is also illegal. Under 16 in Florida is a no go, regardless of the age of the partner.


What happens if two 15 year olds fool around in Florida?  Does the court designate one of them "perpetrator" and the other "victim"?
 
2013-05-25 12:29:10 AM  

ciberido: jayphat: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

No it didn't and no they didn't. Go reread the facts of this case please, then comment.


"In statements posted to a, Hunt's parents allege that their daughter's relationship with her girlfriend, who was 14 when they began dating, was known to the other girl's parents. They implied that the other girl's parents waited until Hunt turned 18 to press charges."

So yes, they did, or at least it is alleged that they did.   Go reread the facts of this case please, then comment.


At what age should you stop protecting your child from older perverts?
 
2013-05-25 12:29:14 AM  

WhippingBoy: I realize the ages are somewhat arbitrary, but I firmly believe that 14 is still a child.


And she was doing childish things:  finger-banging and pussy-licking.  Gotta start somewhere, sometime.
 
2013-05-25 12:29:43 AM  

skozlaw: Ah, yes. The magical ages of 16, then 18, then 21 where you suddenly become responsible enough to engage in behaviors that were completely out of the question the day before.

/ if you have to place an arbitrary age limit on your law to enforce it, it probably shouldn't be a law


But what is the alternative?
 
2013-05-25 12:29:51 AM  

muck4doo: Is there a reason people like Puckmarin can't handle a mature women and prefer little girls instead?


I've dated and will continue to date women my own age.  I have no problem with that.  It just so happens that my current f*ck buddy is 19.
 
2013-05-25 12:29:55 AM  

Christian Bale: jayphat: runescorpio: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

Thats still 2 years of her life for being in a relationship that started out as legal. Letter of the law people are the reason western society is crumbling around the edges. There is no leeway for circumstance. No mercy for petty issues.
Making someones way of life illegal simply because they had a birthday and the law says that makes them an adult to me screams ignorance and for the most part indicates a broken legal system.

Their relationship never started out as legal ever. She was 18, the other girl was 14. At no point in time was this ever legal.

Except for when she was 17 and the girl was 14.


Nope. First, because they didn't actually start seeing each other until Kate was 18. Second, 16 is the minimum age of consent, so even if Kate had been 17 when it started she was still committing statutory rape on a minor.
 
2013-05-25 12:30:37 AM  

muck4doo: ciberido: jayphat: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

No it didn't and no they didn't. Go reread the facts of this case please, then comment.


"In statements posted to a, Hunt's parents allege that their daughter's relationship with her girlfriend, who was 14 when they began dating, was known to the other girl's parents. They implied that the other girl's parents waited until Hunt turned 18 to press charges."

So yes, they did, or at least it is alleged that they did.   Go reread the facts of this case please, then comment.

At what age should you stop protecting your child from older perverts?


Speaking as a parent, the age I think would be appropriate is never.
 
2013-05-25 12:31:28 AM  

redslippers: alienated: redslippers: There was a sexual encounter where Hunt inserted her

sure. bad ancedotal evidence is bad.

Not bad anecdotal evidence. That is straight from the arrest affidavit, and is Ms. Hunt's version of events as well as the victim.


So post a link or back down.
 
2013-05-25 12:32:13 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Christian Bale: Except for when she was 17 and the girl was 14.

That never happened. The mother lied about her daughters age. But even if it were true a 14 year old cannot consent to sex with someone of any age. Including other 14 year olds.


I'm sure that's ever gonna stop them.
 
2013-05-25 12:32:36 AM  

ciberido: "In statements posted to a, Hunt's parents allege that their daughter's relationship with her girlfriend, who was 14 when they began dating, was known to the other girl's parents. They implied that the other girl's parents waited until Hunt turned 18 to press charges."

So yes, they did, or at least it is alleged that they did. Go reread the facts of this case please, then comment.


They lied. Not allegedly lied but actually lied. However because it's not done under oath it's not illegal. But it does give some insight into what might have mind farked their 18 year old daughter enough to go ahead and think that fingerbang a 14 year old was ok.
 
2013-05-25 12:32:54 AM  

ciberido: redslippers: alienated: redslippers: There was a sexual encounter where Hunt inserted her

sure. bad ancedotal evidence is bad.

Not bad anecdotal evidence. That is straight from the arrest affidavit, and is Ms. Hunt's version of events as well as the victim.

So post a link or back down.


There's been several links already posted in this thread.
 
2013-05-25 12:32:55 AM  

muck4doo: Puckmarin: muck4doo: Puckmarin: I'm 35 and I have a 19 year old f*ck buddy.  That's a 16 year old age difference.  I'm technically old enough to be her father.  There's nothing wrong with this scenario legally or morally.

We are freaking out when two people with a 4 year age difference had sex because one of them happened to be past an arbitrary age that was set years ago by people who know nothing about the two girls having sex with each other.  How is that fair?

Yes, we already know you are all for child molesting if the 13 year old or whatever looks like they want it. Listen, go back to your sick little world of molesting the kids is okay.

No.  I'm not advocating for molesting children.  I'd advocating for giving teenagers the right to choose what they do with their bodies and who they have sex with.  I'm also stating that statutory rape laws are stupid because they are all based around an arbitrary age set by people who have no insight on the individual situation.

No, you are advocating adults be allowed what they want to do with kids bodies, and treat the kids like they are adults for your own personal perverted ideals.


I'd argue that 14 year olds are adults and that we expect them to make "adult" decisions at that age (i.e. decisions about academics that will affect the rest of their lives).

Not that long ago (~100-150 years) it was pretty common for people to get married and have kids around the age of 14-16.
 
2013-05-25 12:33:06 AM  

flondrix: redslippers: For farks sake, it was never 17 and 14, and even if it had been, that is also illegal. Under 16 in Florida is a no go, regardless of the age of the partner.

What happens if two 15 year olds fool around in Florida?  Does the court designate one of them "perpetrator" and the other "victim"?


In Florida they both can be designated with both titles.  I do wonder if/when/how many of those cases exist.
 
2013-05-25 12:33:09 AM  

Christian Bale: jayphat: runescorpio: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

Thats still 2 years of her life for being in a relationship that started out as legal. Letter of the law people are the reason western society is crumbling around the edges. There is no leeway for circumstance. No mercy for petty issues.
Making someones way of life illegal simply because they had a birthday and the law says that makes them an adult to me screams ignorance and for the most part indicates a broken legal system.

Their relationship never started out as legal ever. She was 18, the other girl was 14. At no point in time was this ever legal.

Except for when she was 17 and the girl was 14.


The "lewd and lascivious battery" statute under which she is charged does not require the perp to be over 18.
 
2013-05-25 12:33:28 AM  

WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: So if a five year old child (for whatever reason) consents to sex, everything is A-OK!

Oh, man it get's worse than that did you know almost every single newborn was forced to touch a vagina?
/Stop being stupid, I know the booze is probably good but, really.

How is this stupid? There's an age of consent for a reason. If someone is under the age of consent, why does it matter how much they are under? I realize that there's a difference between a 5 year old and a 14 year old, but how far back do you go?

Well I wasn't gonna play you're absurd argument, but well a 5 yr old has not sexually developed a 14 yr old has for the most part well at least I was. Granted I didn't make wise or good decisions back then but who does. And it could be argued that I still don't.

So you didn't answer about the booze, what are you drinking? I might need to stay away from it : )

Homemade bourbon.

And sexual development does not equal sexual maturity. I realize the ages are somewhat arbitrary, but I firmly believe that 14 is still a child.


Well at no point have I said this is right, as in a 14 yr old with a 18 yr old, but I know what I was doing at that age. Also a 14 yr old is a teen not a child of 5, do I need to add in stuff about fetuses of 3 weeks?

/And damn that homemade bourbon must be good
 
2013-05-25 12:33:28 AM  

OregonVet: jst3p: I would say it would be probable, but I could imagine some scenario's where I wouldn't call the cops

Well, I'm clean, I like to take long walks on the beach, I work out, I wear a tie sometimes. Uhhhh. I like the beach?



Do you like piña coladas or getting caught in the rain?
 
2013-05-25 12:33:37 AM  

ciberido: redslippers: alienated: redslippers: There was a sexual encounter where Hunt inserted her

sure. bad ancedotal evidence is bad.

Not bad anecdotal evidence. That is straight from the arrest affidavit, and is Ms. Hunt's version of events as well as the victim.

So post a link or back down.


The link has been posted REPEATEDLY. Are you incapable of reading?
 
2013-05-25 12:35:22 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

If they both state that they stopped having sex after Hunt turned 18 because they were fearful of the legal consequences how are they going to prove otherwise?


They both stated that they did have sex after Kaitlyn turned 18.
 
2013-05-25 12:35:44 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: do I need to add in stuff about fetuses of 3 weeks?


Only if it's sexy!

/yeah, I'll stop drinking now
 
2013-05-25 12:36:10 AM  

ciberido: redslippers: alienated: redslippers: There was a sexual encounter where Hunt inserted her

sure. bad ancedotal evidence is bad.

Not bad anecdotal evidence. That is straight from the arrest affidavit, and is Ms. Hunt's version of events as well as the victim.

So post a link or back down.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted
 
2013-05-25 12:36:58 AM  

Puckmarin: muck4doo: Puckmarin: muck4doo: Puckmarin: I'm 35 and I have a 19 year old f*ck buddy.  That's a 16 year old age difference.  I'm technically old enough to be her father.  There's nothing wrong with this scenario legally or morally.

We are freaking out when two people with a 4 year age difference had sex because one of them happened to be past an arbitrary age that was set years ago by people who know nothing about the two girls having sex with each other.  How is that fair?

Yes, we already know you are all for child molesting if the 13 year old or whatever looks like they want it. Listen, go back to your sick little world of molesting the kids is okay.

No.  I'm not advocating for molesting children.  I'd advocating for giving teenagers the right to choose what they do with their bodies and who they have sex with.  I'm also stating that statutory rape laws are stupid because they are all based around an arbitrary age set by people who have no insight on the individual situation.

No, you are advocating adults be allowed what they want to do with kids bodies, and treat the kids like they are adults for your own personal perverted ideals.

I'd argue that 14 year olds are adults and that we expect them to make "adult" decisions at that age (i.e. decisions about academics that will affect the rest of their lives).

Not that long ago (~100-150 years) it was pretty common for people to get married and have kids around the age of 14-16.


In that same time frame of 150 year ago it was common for slavery to take place.
 
2013-05-25 12:37:40 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Arthur Jumbles: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

If they both state that they stopped having sex after Hunt turned 18 because they were fearful of the legal consequences how are they going to prove otherwise?

They both stated that they did have sex after Kaitlyn turned 18.


The absurd thing about this whole case is that they could have legally had sex the night before Kaitlyn's 18th birthday but not the next day.
 
2013-05-25 12:37:47 AM  

Puckmarin: muck4doo: Puckmarin: muck4doo: Puckmarin: I'm 35 and I have a 19 year old f*ck buddy.  That's a 16 year old age difference.  I'm technically old enough to be her father.  There's nothing wrong with this scenario legally or morally.

We are freaking out when two people with a 4 year age difference had sex because one of them happened to be past an arbitrary age that was set years ago by people who know nothing about the two girls having sex with each other.  How is that fair?

Yes, we already know you are all for child molesting if the 13 year old or whatever looks like they want it. Listen, go back to your sick little world of molesting the kids is okay.

No.  I'm not advocating for molesting children.  I'd advocating for giving teenagers the right to choose what they do with their bodies and who they have sex with.  I'm also stating that statutory rape laws are stupid because they are all based around an arbitrary age set by people who have no insight on the individual situation.

No, you are advocating adults be allowed what they want to do with kids bodies, and treat the kids like they are adults for your own personal perverted ideals.

I'd argue that 14 year olds are adults and that we expect them to make "adult" decisions at that age (i.e. decisions about academics that will affect the rest of their lives).

Not that long ago (~100-150 years) it was pretty common for people to get married and have kids around the age of 14-16.


Uhm, no. Kids that age are not making decisions that would affect the rest of their lives. They chose electives, clothing and hair with guidelines, and sports. Beyond that kids that age make few decisions of consequence because they are children, and anybody who spends 10 minutes with a kid that age would not classify them as anything but children.
 
2013-05-25 12:38:23 AM  
muck4doo:

In that same time frame of 150 year ago it was common for slavery to take place.


Yes, back in the good old days.
 
2013-05-25 12:39:49 AM  

Puckmarin: BarkingUnicorn: Arthur Jumbles: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

If they both state that they stopped having sex after Hunt turned 18 because they were fearful of the legal consequences how are they going to prove otherwise?

They both stated that they did have sex after Kaitlyn turned 18.

The absurd thing about this whole case is that they could have legally had sex the night before Kaitlyn's 18th birthday but not the next day.


Only if they had a time machine. Since they only met after Kaitlyn turned 18.
 
2013-05-25 12:39:50 AM  

ciberido: redslippers: alienated: redslippers: There was a sexual encounter where Hunt inserted her

sure. bad ancedotal evidence is bad.

Not bad anecdotal evidence. That is straight from the arrest affidavit, and is Ms. Hunt's version of events as well as the victim.

So post a link or back down.


It's here hold on....
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted
Granted it's the cop version but it seems the younger girl did help in getting the evidence.
 
2013-05-25 12:40:08 AM  

Puckmarin: BarkingUnicorn: Arthur Jumbles: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

If they both state that they stopped having sex after Hunt turned 18 because they were fearful of the legal consequences how are they going to prove otherwise?

They both stated that they did have sex after Kaitlyn turned 18.

The absurd thing about this whole case is that they could have legally had sex the night before Kaitlyn's 18th birthday but not the next day.


No, they could not have. It is still illegal. Read the statute for the love of all things holy.
 
2013-05-25 12:40:27 AM  

redslippers: Fourteen year olds are still children. They are children just figuring out how to deal with periods and excited about their first crush. Their breasts are still developing. They are still children, just wearing bras and learning how to be responsible enough to make it to class on time. They aren't ready for sex.


That's a pretty vast and rather stupid generalization.
 
2013-05-25 12:40:42 AM  

Puckmarin: BarkingUnicorn: Arthur Jumbles: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

If they both state that they stopped having sex after Hunt turned 18 because they were fearful of the legal consequences how are they going to prove otherwise?

They both stated that they did have sex after Kaitlyn turned 18.

The absurd thing about this whole case is that they could have legally had sex the night before Kaitlyn's 18th birthday but not the next day.


Actually second degree felony the night before, third degree felony the night after.
 
2013-05-25 12:40:51 AM  

redslippers: ciberido: jayphat: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

No it didn't and no they didn't. Go reread the facts of this case please, then comment.


"In statements posted to a, Hunt's parents allege that their daughter's relationship with her girlfriend, who was 14 when they began dating, was known to the other girl's parents. They implied that the other girl's parents waited until Hunt turned 18 to press charges."

So yes, they did, or at least it is alleged that they did.   Go reread the facts of this case please, then comment.

Read the arrest affidavit, or just page one of this thread. Its pretty clear.


The parents may well have waited until Kaitlyn turned 18, erroneously thinking that made a legal difference.  It doesn't with this particular statute.  But  a ton of people think "over 18" is a requirement in every sex-with-a-minor case.
 
2013-05-25 12:40:55 AM  

Puckmarin: BarkingUnicorn: Arthur Jumbles: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

If they both state that they stopped having sex after Hunt turned 18 because they were fearful of the legal consequences how are they going to prove otherwise?

They both stated that they did have sex after Kaitlyn turned 18.

The absurd thing about this whole case is that they could have legally had sex the night before Kaitlyn's 18th birthday but not the next day.


No. 16 is the lower bound on Florida's age of consent. At no point in the past, and not until sometime in 2014 would it have been legal for Kate Hunt to have sex with the younger girl.
 
2013-05-25 12:41:28 AM  

ciberido: OregonVet: jst3p: I would say it would be probable, but I could imagine some scenario's where I wouldn't call the cops

Well, I'm clean, I like to take long walks on the beach, I work out, I wear a tie sometimes. Uhhhh. I like the beach?


Do you like piña coladas or getting caught in the rain?


The raain is good but rum drinks and I don't agree.
 
2013-05-25 12:41:32 AM  
Actually I think we've reached a kind of enlightenment because everyone is arguing about the girls' ages not their sexuality.
 
2013-05-25 12:41:38 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: //This isn't a statutory rape charge.


You're right. I phrased it incorrectly. Molest, not statutory rape. It's picking nits if you ask me. A guy would have probably gotten a statutory rape charge out of this.

Puckmarin: I'm saying that I think that a 14 year old should be allowed to make decisions about who they have sex with and their parents shouldn't be able to press charges against their partner.


So you think that A 30 year old should be allowed to have sex with a 14 year old if he\she "Consents"? That is your position?

BarkingUnicorn: And she was doing childish things: finger-banging and pussy-licking. Gotta start somewhere, sometime.


And then they moved on to jamming vibrators onto each other.
 
2013-05-25 12:41:52 AM  
redslippers:
Uhm, no. Kids that age are not making decisions that would affect the rest of their lives. They chose electives, clothing and hair with guidelines, and sports. Beyond that kids that age make few decisions of consequence because they are children, and anybody who spends 10 minutes with a kid that age would not classify them as anything but children.

Really?  So the decision that I made to actually apply myself at school instead of being lazy had no effect on the rest of my life?  The hard work that I decided to do had no effect?  How about all of the volunteer work that I decided to do?  At 14 I knew full well that the decisions I was making would affect the rest of my life.
 
2013-05-25 12:42:03 AM  

Loris: Puckmarin: BarkingUnicorn: Arthur Jumbles: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

If they both state that they stopped having sex after Hunt turned 18 because they were fearful of the legal consequences how are they going to prove otherwise?

They both stated that they did have sex after Kaitlyn turned 18.

The absurd thing about this whole case is that they could have legally had sex the night before Kaitlyn's 18th birthday but not the next day.

Actually second degree felony the night before, third degree felony the night after.


Sorry.  Backwards.  Third degree before, second degree after.
/Yay scotch!
 
2013-05-25 12:42:46 AM  

Internet Meme Rogers: redslippers: Fourteen year olds are still children. They are children just figuring out how to deal with periods and excited about their first crush. Their breasts are still developing. They are still children, just wearing bras and learning how to be responsible enough to make it to class on time. They aren't ready for sex.

That's a pretty vast and rather stupid generalization.


No, it isn't. You will never find anyone who deals with kids that age to disagree with that. Unless you've taught, counseled, or parented kids that age you have no idea what they are or are nit capable of or ready for.
 
2013-05-25 12:42:59 AM  

Internet Meme Rogers: redslippers: Fourteen year olds are still children. They are children just figuring out how to deal with periods and excited about their first crush. Their breasts are still developing. They are still children, just wearing bras and learning how to be responsible enough to make it to class on time. They aren't ready for sex.

That's a pretty vast and rather stupid generalization.


As I stated before, the ones mature enough to be ready for sex, are mature enough to wait until they aren't a legal danger to their partner.
 
2013-05-25 12:43:06 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: redslippers: ciberido: jayphat: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

No it didn't and no they didn't. Go reread the facts of this case please, then comment.


"In statements posted to a, Hunt's parents allege that their daughter's relationship with her girlfriend, who was 14 when they began dating, was known to the other girl's parents. They implied that the other girl's parents waited until Hunt turned 18 to press charges."

So yes, they did, or at least it is alleged that they did.   Go reread the facts of this case please, then comment.

Read the arrest affidavit, or just page one of this thread. Its pretty clear.

The parents may well have waited until Kaitlyn turned 18, erroneously thinking that made a legal difference.  It doesn't with this particular statute.  But  a ton of people think "over 18" is a requirement in every sex-with-a-minor case.


Holy fark. They didn't wait until Kaitlyn turned 18, because before Kaitlyn turned 18, the two girls in question had no idea that the other one existed.
 
2013-05-25 12:43:35 AM  

Puckmarin: Not that long ago (~100-150 years) it was pretty common for people to get married and have kids around the age of 14-16.


Not that long ago (~100-150 years) it was ok to own slaves, keep women from voting, use children for forced labor and a host of other things too. Should we go back to that as well?
 
2013-05-25 12:43:43 AM  

Puckmarin: BarkingUnicorn: Arthur Jumbles: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

If they both state that they stopped having sex after Hunt turned 18 because they were fearful of the legal consequences how are they going to prove otherwise?

They both stated that they did have sex after Kaitlyn turned 18.

The absurd thing about this whole case is that they could have legally had sex the night before Kaitlyn's 18th birthday but not the next day.


Nope.  The "lewd and lascivious battery" statute under which she is charged makes no reference to the offender's age.  That's in  other statutes pertaining to sex with minors.
 
2013-05-25 12:43:58 AM  

Puckmarin: muck4doo:

In that same time frame of 150 year ago it was common for slavery to take place.


Yes, back in the good old days.


Looks like you have no problem with 12, 13, and 14 year olds having sex and getting ready to be mothers again.  Statutory rape is bullshiat. It wouldn't be so funny if you were the one constantly getting raped as a willing 13 year old.
 
2013-05-25 12:44:13 AM  

Internet Meme Rogers: redslippers: Fourteen year olds are still children. They are children just figuring out how to deal with periods and excited about their first crush. Their breasts are still developing. They are still children, just wearing bras and learning how to be responsible enough to make it to class on time. They aren't ready for sex.

That's a pretty vast and rather stupid generalization.


He or she is out to protect their precious snowflake. Let them believe it will keep their 14 yr old from having this problem.
 
2013-05-25 12:44:21 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Arthur Jumbles: Neums: The relationship had been going on for some time, when they were 14 and 17. The parents of the then-14-year-old waited until the day Hunt turned 18 to file charges. From what I've read, they're religious, blamed Hunt for coercing and turning their child gay, and planned for the birthday to punish them. But can they prove that they were together once Hunt turned 18? Seems to me that Hunt and the girlfriend could have decided to cool thing down until the girlfriend became legal. If all the activity happened prior to Hunt turning 18, then it's not statutory rape, is it?

If they both state that they stopped having sex after Hunt turned 18 because they were fearful of the legal consequences how are they going to prove otherwise?

They both stated that they did have sex after Kaitlyn turned 18.


Well.... the kid should go to jail for simple for that.... don't talk to the police without a lawyer, don't admit to crimes to the police unless your lawyer gets you a deal. Simple.
 
2013-05-25 12:44:31 AM  

Loris: World Traveling Navy Vet: tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: itsaidwhat: You are all missing the point: NOT sending a lesbian to a women's prison is the WIN.

-"Pleeeaaaase don't throw me in that briar 'patch'..

Yes, because what lesbians want more than anything in the world is to be raped in prison.

I'm afraid you just stepped into a world filled with idiocy, welcome to the Fark Zone.

Another reason to have you favorited.  I enjoy following all of your posts when I see them as they appear to me to be pure and from the heart, no derp or snark.

Seconded.


Hey, I had Maggie favorited first!
 
2013-05-25 12:45:36 AM  

redslippers: OgreMagi: People arguing that teenagers should be allowed to make their own decisions about sex obviously have never dealt with a teenager and don't remember being one.  Few teenagers have developed good decision making skills.  Most don't understand that actions can have long term consequences.  So we set an age when we call them "adult" and let them sink or swim.  We can't create a "maturity test" and have everyone take it each year when they enter high school because the test would be far too subjective.  Can you imagine a system where the government has final say on when you are a legal adult?  Look up "voting literacy tests" for an example of the type of abuse that would occur.

As for an older man or women getting with a teenager, I can't even imagine the attraction.  I can barely stand most women in their twenties and teenagers are quite possibly the most annoying creatures on the face of the planet.

You, sir, are a voice of reason in a sea of bullshiat.


You, obviously, have not seen my posts in the politics tab.
 
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