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2013-05-24 11:03:56 PM  

cybrwzrd: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Yes. Because you are not the morality police and arbitrary laws controlling "minors" as property of their parents are stupid. Alcohol and voting laws based on age are just as irrational. I don't see how a person emerges from the chrysalis of irresponsible child to responsible adult during the 60 seconds between 17 years, 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 18 years 0 days 0 minutes. Some 14 year olds are older mentally than some 20 year olds. Base the laws around cognizance, even if it is harder.


^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

cybrwzrd wants to bang 14 year olds, but is mad he can't legally.
 
2013-05-24 11:04:05 PM  

Diagonal: At what in any of this has anyone said that "they had sex"? Where is the evidence that intercourse or other similarly intimate contact was made?

Without evidence of sexual activity beyond "necking," then there is no case.


How about insertion of finger into vagina. Does that work for you?
 
2013-05-24 11:04:20 PM  

muck4doo: BarkingUnicorn: muck4doo: cybrwzrd: I don't think any of us were looking for someone to stay with forever. What's your point?

If you have the morals of a banana slug there I guess that is fine. Most of us like to find someone we can be happy with.

So marry your kids off when they're nine, or earlier if someone will have them.

How do you find someone you can be happy with if you don't shop around?

Most of us would like to find someone we can be happy with = Marry your kids at nine!


Kids are happy with their shiat until they learn there's better  stuff out there.  Lock 'em in young and they'll stay happy for life.
 
2013-05-24 11:04:36 PM  

Diagonal: At what in any of this has anyone said that "they had sex"? Where is the evidence that intercourse or other similarly intimate contact was made?

Without evidence of sexual activity beyond "necking," then there is no case.


Both the victim and the defendant have admitted to having sex. In fact, they have the 18 year old on tape admitting to the instances of sexual contact.
 
2013-05-24 11:04:42 PM  

WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?


Only if the guy pees in her mouth first.
 
2013-05-24 11:05:03 PM  

hammer85: Uh...it was never legal


Not legal in that state at the time and never legal are two very different statements.

This is exactly the same as the shiat where that kid went to jail for 10 years because his long time girlfriend was underage and he had a birthday. The laws were re-written in many places specifically to avoid just a waste of resources and ruination of someone's life.

This case is the same kind of harmless fling that became a felony only because one person had a birthday. It's a waste of the courts' time.
 
2013-05-24 11:05:25 PM  
This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.
 
2013-05-24 11:05:28 PM  
Slicker Smith: You're 40 years-old and you're in love with this little girl that's 10 years-old. You're four times as old as that girl and you couldn't marry her, could you?

Herbie Brown: Not unless I come from the mountains.

Slicker Smith: All right - you're 40 years-old, you're four times as old as this girl, and you can't marry her, so you wait five years. By that time the little girl's 15 and you're 45. You're only three times as old as that little girl. So you wait 15 years and when the girl is 30, you're at 60. You're only twice as old as that little girl.

Herbie Brown: She's catching up.

Slicker Smith: Yes, yes. Now here's the question. How long do you have to wait until you and that little girl are the same age?

Herbie Brown: Now what kinda question is that? That's ridiculous!

Slicker Smith: Ridiculous or not, answer the question.

Herbie Brown: If I wait for that girl she'll pass me up. She'll wind up older than I am.

Slicker Smith: What are you talking about?

Herbie Brown: She'll have to wait for me!

Slicker Smith: Why should she wait for you?

Herbie Brown: ...I was nice enough to wait for her!
 
2013-05-24 11:06:06 PM  

that bosnian sniper: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Only if the guy pees in her mouth first.


media.concreteloop.com
 
2013-05-24 11:06:36 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: BTW, what psychological disorder do you currently suffer from?

Depression/anxiety oh and a willingness to post on Fark ; )


A close friend suffers the worse anxiety attacks I have ever seen.  Fortunately, she's seeing a therapist.  No, not a girlfriend and never will be.

My sister claims I could go to a party filled with perfectly normal people and the one crazy girl at the party will somehow find me and have me convinced she is perfectly normal before the night is over.
 
2013-05-24 11:06:53 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?


Yeah. It's a bit of hyperbole I know. But seriously, most people who go well out of their way to defend the indefensible usually have a stake in it somehow. Hell most of the people who are the most vocally against pot laws are usually potheads. A person who is meh on the laws one way or the other is probably not a pot head and the ones who are for them are not potheads.

These laws are designed to protect the young from predators. Who would stand to benefit the most from the legal ages being lowered? Not the kids.

WhippingBoy: What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.


Exactly.
 
2013-05-24 11:06:59 PM  
I'm just glad I was a teenager long ago.  It was hard enough talking my senior girlfriend into bjs when I was a freshman back then.
 
2013-05-24 11:07:03 PM  

that bosnian sniper: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Only if the guy pees in her mouth first.


And this is why, no matter how many times I try, I can't stop coming back to Fark.
 
2013-05-24 11:08:02 PM  

doglover: Not legal in that state at the time and never legal are two very different statements.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-24 11:08:20 PM  

cybrwzrd: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Yes. Because you are not the morality police and arbitrary laws controlling "minors" as property of their parents are stupid. Alcohol and voting laws based on age are just as irrational. I don't see how a person emerges from the chrysalis of irresponsible child to responsible adult during the 60 seconds between 17 years, 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 18 years 0 days 0 minutes. Some 14 year olds are older mentally than some 20 year olds. Base the laws around cognizance, even if it is harder.


Got a better and practical way to test on a regular basis every single person within a certain age group to determine who is mature enough to do any given number of activities and who is not?
 
2013-05-24 11:09:40 PM  

WhippingBoy: This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.


Oh, it wrong for her to break the law.  And by wrong I mean, "not in her self-interest."

Did you have anything else in mind?
 
2013-05-24 11:10:32 PM  

doglover: Brostorm: doglover: redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl

Not under any sane legal system.

ok "doglover"  sane is subjective.

When something is perfectly legal the year before, it shouldn't magically become illegal the next year just because some subjective age limit was reached. That's why most places have a close age exception if they have age of consent laws.


Actually they are objective age limits because they apply to everyone - created after debate and majority approval by elected representatives.

See also : owning firearms, driving, voting, entering contracts, buying alcohol, buying tobacco, serving on a jury, working, being able to be found criminally liable, serving in the armed forces etc..

Do we want a society that allows child workers and child soldiers or is it just child sexual partners ??
 
2013-05-24 11:10:36 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.

Oh, it wrong for her to break the law.  And by wrong I mean, "not in her self-interest."

Did you have anything else in mind?


Yeah, that whole pesky child abuse thing.
 
2013-05-24 11:11:08 PM  

Mock26: cybrwzrd: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Yes. Because you are not the morality police and arbitrary laws controlling "minors" as property of their parents are stupid. Alcohol and voting laws based on age are just as irrational. I don't see how a person emerges from the chrysalis of irresponsible child to responsible adult during the 60 seconds between 17 years, 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 18 years 0 days 0 minutes. Some 14 year olds are older mentally than some 20 year olds. Base the laws around cognizance, even if it is harder.

Got a better and practical way to test on a regular basis every single person within a certain age group to determine who is mature enough to do any given number of activities and who is not?


Because what you suggest is not possible, the law has to specify an age.  In some places they are reasonable about it (e.g. within 2 years, not a crime, etc).  In some places a single day can be the difference between a scolding or prison.

California is a hard 18 years old.  Except they are rather arbitrary about enforcement.
 
2013-05-24 11:11:32 PM  

Diagonal: At what in any of this has anyone said that "they had sex"? Where is the evidence that intercourse or other similarly intimate contact was made?

Without evidence of sexual activity beyond "necking," then there is no case.


The brilliant accused and admitted to penetration.  There are several links to an affidavit around here.
 
2013-05-24 11:11:44 PM  

WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.

Oh, it wrong for her to break the law.  And by wrong I mean, "not in her self-interest."

Did you have anything else in mind?

Yeah, that whole pesky child abuse thing.


What child abuse?
 
2013-05-24 11:12:44 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.

Oh, it wrong for her to break the law.  And by wrong I mean, "not in her self-interest."

Did you have anything else in mind?

Yeah, that whole pesky child abuse thing.

What child abuse?


Sorry. My mistake. What a complete idiot I am.
 
2013-05-24 11:12:51 PM  

doglover: It was legal when they were both underage.


No.It.Was.Not. 15 and under can never, under any circumstances, consent to sex. The closest you can get is if they are married (at 15) and even that requires adult consent in the form of her parents consenting to the marriage.
 
2013-05-24 11:13:10 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: redslippers: There is a hell of a lot more to development than curriculum. And nowhere have I seen it stated that the 14 year old was taking senior classes.

There was one article (the one that mentioned the sports thing that said the younger girl was taking "IR" classes, I don't know what that is but it mentioned they had classes together.
/No idea and still not saying it's right.


The only classes I know of are IB and they aren't comprised of that big of an age spread normally. Maybe in the community service portion, but not classes. I haven't heard that from any local sources.
 
2013-05-24 11:14:15 PM  
hardinparamedic:

Ah, I see now why you're not allowed within a hundred feet of the local playground now.

Derp.

Seriously, where did I say it is OK for a 34 year old to be chasing a 14 year old? My point is that when dealing with this issue you can't base it on arbitrary dates. Test the younger girl. If she didn't understand what she was doing it is one thing, but I think it is fair to say she was a willing partner and was able to consent to sex acts with her lover.
 
2013-05-24 11:15:59 PM  

WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.

Oh, it wrong for her to break the law.  And by wrong I mean, "not in her self-interest."

Did you have anything else in mind?

Yeah, that whole pesky child abuse thing.

What child abuse?

Sorry. My mistake. What a complete idiot I am.


I thought the charges against Kaitlyn were "child abuse" because TFA sucks, and they aren't.  If there was child abuse, why isn't she charged with it?

Come on, tell me how this 14 year-old  child was abused.
 
2013-05-24 11:16:23 PM  

cybrwzrd: hardinparamedic:

Ah, I see now why you're not allowed within a hundred feet of the local playground now.

Derp.

Seriously, where did I say it is OK for a 34 year old to be chasing a 14 year old? My point is that when dealing with this issue you can't base it on arbitrary dates. Test the younger girl. If she didn't understand what she was doing it is one thing, but I think it is fair to say she was a willing partner and was able to consent to sex acts with her lover.


How the hell could you possibly know that? It's just as valid to say that she was coerced/manipulated/taken advantage of.
 
2013-05-24 11:16:27 PM  

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: BTW, what psychological disorder do you currently suffer from?

Depression/anxiety oh and a willingness to post on Fark ; )

A close friend suffers the worse anxiety attacks I have ever seen.  Fortunately, she's seeing a therapist.  No, not a girlfriend and never will be.

My sister claims I could go to a party filled with perfectly normal people and the one crazy girl at the party will somehow find me and have me convinced she is perfectly normal before the night is over.


Sometimes I feel like that but I generally now date the people with the qualities I wish I had. You know sane responsible,etc.. But yea, I do seem to find the crazies at times
/Oh and I see my therapist monthly.
//It sorta helps.
 
2013-05-24 11:17:07 PM  

cybrwzrd: hardinparamedic:

Ah, I see now why you're not allowed within a hundred feet of the local playground now.

Derp.

Seriously, where did I say it is OK for a 34 year old to be chasing a 14 year old? My point is that when dealing with this issue you can't base it on arbitrary dates. Test the younger girl. If she didn't understand what she was doing it is one thing, but I think it is fair to say she was a willing partner and was able to consent to sex acts with her lover.


Oh wow. I bet you're a hit at parties.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-24 11:17:59 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.

Oh, it wrong for her to break the law.  And by wrong I mean, "not in her self-interest."

Did you have anything else in mind?

Yeah, that whole pesky child abuse thing.

What child abuse?

Sorry. My mistake. What a complete idiot I am.

I thought the charges against Kaitlyn were "child abuse" because TFA sucks, and they aren't.  If there was child abuse, why isn't she charged with it?

Come on, tell me how this 14 year-old  child was abused.


You mean apart from an adult admitting that she inserted a finger into her vagina?
 
2013-05-24 11:19:02 PM  
If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

... what media attention?  This is the first I've heard of this, most school-related rape stuff (usually teacher/student) gets a lot more than that.

Our client's a model citizen.

What, you mean except for the rape?  I'm sure the Unabomber was a model citizen except for the bombing as well.

//Florida has a close-age exception, by the way.  This girl violated it.  For reference, 18 and 14 is someone that's graduated high school dating a junior high/middle school kid in most situations.
 
2013-05-24 11:19:09 PM  

cybrwzrd: hardinparamedic:

Ah, I see now why you're not allowed within a hundred feet of the local playground now.

Derp.

Seriously, where did I say it is OK for a 34 year old to be chasing a 14 year old? My point is that when dealing with this issue you can't base it on arbitrary dates. Test the younger girl. If she didn't understand what she was doing it is one thing, but I think it is fair to say she was a willing partner and was able to consent to sex acts with her lover.


Arbitrary dates, finding out what her sexual understanding is, all in the name of 14 year old girls should be able to have sex with adult men or women? I think you are really getting twisted here. You should just stop.
 
2013-05-24 11:19:28 PM  

doglover: hammer85: Which as has been posted probably 3 pages worth in this thread, was not the case.

The legal system is broken. Of course the laws on the books aren't ideal. That's why we have trials. Laws suck, people point it out in court, and the courts strike those laws down.

What you have is two teens in the same high school. Close enough. It was legal when they were both underage. It ought to stay legal now. There's people out there right now shooting people down in the streets. That's where the legal system should be focusing its efforts. This? This is between two families. Should not be part of the courts at all.


for the 9000th time it was never legal.
misinfo pls go
 
2013-05-24 11:19:29 PM  

pute kisses like a man: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

well, it also matters what the law there is regarding young person with young person.  most states allow either 3 or 4 year age gaps so it's not child rape for an 18 y/o to be with a 16 y/o.  I'm assuming they have  4 year window, it the younger is off by a couple months.  sometimes, the law came feel a little arbitrary, when, for example, you either did something totally lawful, or child rape worst felony ever because someone was born on a monday instead of a tuesday.

/ dnrtfa


Wikipedia claims Florida's law allows people up to 24 to have sex with 16 & 17 year olds, but otherwise it's 18 and up. Doesn't look good for her unless their evidence is circumstantial.
 
2013-05-24 11:19:32 PM  

cybrwzrd: hardinparamedic:

Ah, I see now why you're not allowed within a hundred feet of the local playground now.

Derp.

Seriously, where did I say it is OK for a 34 year old to be chasing a 14 year old? My point is that when dealing with this issue you can't base it on arbitrary dates. Test the younger girl. If she didn't understand what she was doing it is one thing, but I think it is fair to say she was a willing partner and was able to consent to sex acts with her lover.


That isn't possible to do in every case. The law is 16 for a reason. For crying out loud, 14 is not old enough to even drive to school. At that age, no kid can consent. There's a lot more to sex than the act itself. The kid in this case is effed up. As in, intensive therapy, antidepressants messed up. Is that not enough for you? Kids that age are not prepared for the emotional consequences of sex. Period.
 
2013-05-24 11:19:59 PM  

WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: BarkingUnicorn: WhippingBoy: This must be so hard on some Farkers. They so desperately want to believe that Ms. Hunt did nothing wrong. But they know in their hearts that she did.

Oh, it wrong for her to break the law.  And by wrong I mean, "not in her self-interest."

Did you have anything else in mind?

Yeah, that whole pesky child abuse thing.

What child abuse?

Sorry. My mistake. What a complete idiot I am.

I thought the charges against Kaitlyn were "child abuse" because TFA sucks, and they aren't.  If there was child abuse, why isn't she charged with it?

Come on, tell me how this 14 year-old  child was abused.

You mean apart from an adult admitting that she inserted a finger into her vagina?


How does that constitute abuse?  She liked it enough to come back for more.
 
2013-05-24 11:20:11 PM  
Actually the point is that a 14 yr old is unable to consent to sex acts.
 
2013-05-24 11:21:37 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Come on, tell me how this 14 year-old child was abused.


Have you ever had a 14 year old kid?
 
2013-05-24 11:21:48 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Wikipedia claims Florida's law allows people up to 24 to have sex with 16 & 17 year olds, but otherwise it's 18 and up. Doesn't look good for her unless their evidence is circumstantial.


It does not. The Romeo and Juliet law allows them to stay off the Sex Offender registry after conviction.
 
2013-05-24 11:21:55 PM  

cybrwzrd: hardinparamedic:

Ah, I see now why you're not allowed within a hundred feet of the local playground now.

Derp.

Seriously, where did I say it is OK for a 34 year old to be chasing a 14 year old? My point is that when dealing with this issue you can't base it on arbitrary dates. Test the younger girl. If she didn't understand what she was doing it is one thing, but I think it is fair to say she was a willing partner and was able to consent to sex acts with her lover.


Isn't saying a 34 year old not okay to be chasing a 14 year old setting an arbitrary date?  After all, she could be a willing partner and able to consent to sex acts with her lover, even then.
 
2013-05-24 11:23:05 PM  

bukijin: Actually the point is that a 14 yr old is unable to consent to sex acts.


Thank you. We seem to have a large number of pervs who think that a 14 year old is fine to hsve sex with as long as she's not mentally disabled.
 
2013-05-24 11:23:29 PM  
Are you people going to repeat the same 5 comments indefinitely or are you going to make with the hot teen lesbian pics?
 
2013-05-24 11:24:31 PM  
muck4doo:
cybrwzrd wants to bang 14 year olds, but is mad he can't legally.

^^^^^^
Derp.


Mock26:

Got a better and practical way to test on a regular basis every single person within a certain age group to determine who is mature enough to do any given number of activities and who is not?

We test them already for academics. I think this could be done as well.
 
2013-05-24 11:25:04 PM  
The sad thing about this is that this would be completely legal in my state.

The age of consent here is 18.  There's a 4 year close in age exception, so 14 & 18 is not only not a felony, it's completely legal.
 
2013-05-24 11:25:10 PM  

bukijin: Actually the point is that a 14 yr old is unable to consent to sex acts.


No matter how much a 14 year-old begs for it.

It's a convenient fiction.
 
2013-05-24 11:25:40 PM  
I always wonder what the angle is when adults argue that the age of consent should be lowered.
 
2013-05-24 11:27:25 PM  

cybrwzrd: muck4doo:
cybrwzrd wants to bang 14 year olds, but is mad he can't legally.

^^^^^^
Derp.


Mock26:

Got a better and practical way to test on a regular basis every single person within a certain age group to determine who is mature enough to do any given number of activities and who is not?

We test them already for academics. I think this could be done as well.


Why? Other than to issue a license to have sex? Do you have no perspective on how stupid and wrong that very premise is?

You want to change the law from protecting children to identifying which ones it would be permissible to diddle?

How on earth is that not disgusting and perverted?
 
2013-05-24 11:27:55 PM  

muck4doo: BarkingUnicorn: Come on, tell me how this 14 year-old child was abused.

Have you ever had a 14 year old kid?


Not recently.
 
2013-05-24 11:28:28 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: bukijin: Actually the point is that a 14 yr old is unable to consent to sex acts.

No matter how much a 14 year-old begs for it.

It's a convenient fiction.


True, when I was 14 well...
/Thank goodness that was before texting and the internet.
 
2013-05-24 11:29:27 PM  

redslippers: cybrwzrd: muck4doo:
cybrwzrd wants to bang 14 year olds, but is mad he can't legally.

^^^^^^
Derp.


Mock26:

Got a better and practical way to test on a regular basis every single person within a certain age group to determine who is mature enough to do any given number of activities and who is not?

We test them already for academics. I think this could be done as well.

Why? Other than to issue a license to have sex? Do you have no perspective on how stupid and wrong that very premise is?

You want to change the law from protecting children to identifying which ones it would be permissible to diddle?

How on earth is that not disgusting and perverted?


I don't know, I would love to take a diddling exam.

Question 1:

Is it okay to fark a 14 year old.

1) Yes
2) No
3) ______

And about 1/4 of the people in this thread fail
 
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