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2013-05-24 10:32:36 PM  

muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?


Well truthfully when you start acting like one, but using that some people would never be adults. So well in this case they were in the same school. The older girl hadn't graduated so really no she wasn't an adult but I'm not proposing legislation here just saying. I don't know really it sounds like the younger girl freaked when rumors got started and helped turn evidence on here older girl twirl. And now is in a world of shiat even worse. There is no good answer here if you see what I mean.

It's just a sad situation all around.
 
2013-05-24 10:33:00 PM  

dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.


I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.
 
2013-05-24 10:33:21 PM  

cybrwzrd: Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.


Well, conventional wisdom has it that teen sex farks you up for life, somehow, even you avoid pregnancy and STDs.
 
2013-05-24 10:34:07 PM  

hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.


FTFY
 
2013-05-24 10:34:42 PM  

dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.


Law doesn't work that way though, does is it? At any rate, 14 years old should tell you that this person isn't old enough to understand what she is doing with anyone 18 or above in a sexual relationship. It doesn't matter if the relationship is hetero or homo sexual in nature. The fact the 18 year old is playing the homosexual card shouldn't matter.
 
2013-05-24 10:35:52 PM  
"Next week's 'To Catch A Predator' features something other than a pathetic 40 year old guy! Tune in to find out what!"
 
2013-05-24 10:36:37 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: cybrwzrd: Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.

Well, conventional wisdom has it that teen sex farks you up for life, somehow, even you avoid pregnancy and STDs.


Conventional wisdom?   This is news to me.
 
2013-05-24 10:38:19 PM  

muck4doo: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

Law doesn't work that way though, does is it? At any rate, 14 years old should tell you that this person isn't old enough to understand what she is doing with anyone 18 or above in a sexual relationship. It doesn't matter if the relationship is hetero or homo sexual in nature. The fact the 18 year old is playing the homosexual card shouldn't matter.


Again with homo/hetero shiat.  I am not arguing that.  I am not arguing that what she did is legal.  My argument is that it should be legal and the law can work that way.  I promise you, we have the capabilities to write intelligent laws.
 
2013-05-24 10:38:32 PM  

dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.


And there's that sophistication again. You'd get rid of clear and easily communicated laws for some mashed up swill of exceptions, exemptions, allowances and small print which would be entirely subject to individual whims of authority.

Incidentally, you've let the janitor screw the kids without penalty. Afterwards I'm sure you'd write it into your exceptions but then there will be the next case you didn't think of.
 
2013-05-24 10:39:09 PM  

dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.

FTFY



How so?  Your conditions were a) Wouldn't meet under normal circumstances, being a neighbor is a normal one more so than only knowing each other because of a particular sport or because the other is a girl genious and b) an authority figure, which I am not.  I am just the friend of the parents.

So, I'm cool right?
 
2013-05-24 10:39:22 PM  

that bosnian sniper: tinfoil-hat maggie: What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

A stupid teen who probably wouldn't have been prosecuted, or seriously investigated, unless the "victim's" parents were cops, politicians, rich, or knew one of the above groups?

Well if the parent's disapprove they can mess you up. That said, I actually knew of a 13 yr old that was going to marry a 30 yr old man when she turned 14 and well that was the earliest they could marry with her parents consent.
/Yea I thought that was farked up.
 
2013-05-24 10:39:33 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: redslippers: doglover: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

And that's why almost all our current DAs should be shot into the sun.

Our legal system is so farked up pleading guilty to something that is only illegal because lawmakers are farking retarded is better and cheaper than being innocent of wrong doing.

FARK THAT. We need to fix this system so plea deals and settlements are never the best option.

Only she's not innocent of wrongdoing. She was having sex with a very underage girl, was warned more than once, then convinced the kid to run away for a night of hot lesbian love. The plea was a gift.

Well, that's for a jury to decide now. Oh and I got arrested in my bed at home for being a runaway when I was 16 so well. Oh and it was cause I left the house the night before for hot lesbian sex without permission : )
/Crazy times


I don't think this can be repeated too often....

Go on.
 
2013-05-24 10:39:42 PM  
If it's wrong for a male 18+ years old to have sex with 14 year old girls, it's wrong for a woman of 18+ years old to have sex with a 14 year old girl. You don't get an exception because you use your tongue instead of a peener.
 
2013-05-24 10:40:02 PM  

Brostorm: doglover: redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl

Not under any sane legal system.

ok "doglover"  sane is subjective.


When something is perfectly legal the year before, it shouldn't magically become illegal the next year just because some subjective age limit was reached. That's why most places have a close age exception if they have age of consent laws.
 
2013-05-24 10:41:02 PM  

dlp211: My argument is that it should be legal and the law can work that way.


I will disagree with you every step of the way.
 
2013-05-24 10:41:11 PM  

doglover: Brostorm: doglover: redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl

Not under any sane legal system.

ok "doglover"  sane is subjective.

When something is perfectly legal the year before, it shouldn't magically become illegal the next year just because some subjective age limit was reached. That's why most places have a close age exception if they have age of consent laws.


Which as has been posted probably 3 pages worth in this thread, was not the case.  14 and 18 is not close and also just illegal in all ways.
 
2013-05-24 10:41:27 PM  

muck4doo: cybrwzrd: Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.

Wonder why none of them stayed with you.


I don't think any of us were looking for someone to stay with forever. What's your point?

BarkingUnicorn:

Well, conventional wisdom has it that teen sex farks you up for life, somehow, even you avoid pregnancy and STDs.

It must have somehow... I ended up with a nice house, a great job, and a loving family. True signs of failure.
 
2013-05-24 10:41:56 PM  

dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion. Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.

FTFY


It's taken two posts to utterly shred your point, and it was mortally wounded in that first one. Quit while you're behind.
 
2013-05-24 10:42:02 PM  

Molavian: http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit-R e dacted

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/05/21/us/hunt-arrest-affidav it .html?_r=0

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=564_1369419007&comments=1


I don't know. I'm still waiting for the long form Arrest Affidavit.

/Why 0bama Why
 
2013-05-24 10:42:06 PM  

hammer85: dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion.  Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.

FTFY


How so?  Your conditions were a) Wouldn't meet under normal circumstances, being a neighbor is a normal one more so than only knowing each other because of a particular sport or because the other is a girl genious and b) an authority figure, which I am not.  I am just the friend of the parents.

So, I'm cool right?


I know this hard for you to understand, but again, I am not writing a piece of legislation, I am simply stating how to solve the most obvious case, a freshman and senior relationship.  I didn't not define all the rules so you can make up all the hypotheticals you want and no they aren't cool.  Jesus you people are dense.
 
rka
2013-05-24 10:42:37 PM  

dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: cybrwzrd: Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.

Well, conventional wisdom has it that teen sex farks you up for life, somehow, even you avoid pregnancy and STDs.

Conventional wisdom?   This is news to me.


That's why it's called conventional wisdom. It's never meant as a positive.
 
2013-05-24 10:44:08 PM  

rka: dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: cybrwzrd: Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.

Well, conventional wisdom has it that teen sex farks you up for life, somehow, even you avoid pregnancy and STDs.

Conventional wisdom?   This is news to me.

That's why it's called conventional wisdom. It's never meant as a positive.


Ah, got ya.
 
2013-05-24 10:44:14 PM  

dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion.  Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.

FTFY


How so?  Your conditions were a) Wouldn't meet under normal circumstances, being a neighbor is a normal one more so than only knowing each other because of a particular sport or because the other is a girl genious and b) an authority figure, which I am not.  I am just the friend of the parents.

So, I'm cool right?

I know this hard for you to understand, but again, I am not writing a piece of legislation, I am simply stating how to solve the most obvious case, a freshman and senior relationship.  I didn't not define all the rules so you can make up all the hypotheticals you want and no they aren't cool.  Jesus you people are dense.


Why is me being 22 an edge case and 14 not?  STOP BEING SUBJECTIVE AND MAKING ARBITRARY LIMITS!
 
2013-05-24 10:45:13 PM  

dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion.  Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.

FTFY


How so?  Your conditions were a) Wouldn't meet under normal circumstances, being a neighbor is a normal one more so than only knowing each other because of a particular sport or because the other is a girl genious and b) an authority figure, which I am not.  I am just the friend of the parents.

So, I'm cool right?

I know this hard for you to understand, but again, I am not writing a piece of legislation, I am simply stating how to solve the most obvious case, a freshman and senior relationship.  I didn't not define all the rules so you can make up all the hypotheticals you want and no they aren't cool.  Jesus you people are dense.


He didn't resort to name calling. No need for you to do so.
 
2013-05-24 10:46:57 PM  
Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?
 
2013-05-24 10:47:31 PM  

dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: cybrwzrd: Why have we become such prudes as a society? I don't remember this much abuse of statutory rape charges when I was growing up 15 years ago. I dated and slept with plenty of freshmen girls as a Junior and Senior - and I was never their first. I even had a fling over a summer break when I was in college with a girl still in high school who was part of my social group when I was in High School.

Well, conventional wisdom has it that teen sex farks you up for life, somehow, even you avoid pregnancy and STDs.

Conventional wisdom?   This is news to me.


Science ain't conventional wisdom.

I really think the taboo against banging teenagers stems from their parents' secret desires to do so.
 
2013-05-24 10:47:36 PM  

dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: hammer85: dlp211: muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: that bosnian sniper: You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.

When a person repeatedly supports kiddie diddlers then perhaps they are a kiddie diddler as well. By all reputable accounts Hunt is a kiddie diddler as it is well defined by law. You do the math.

No, she's a stupid teen, but really a kiddie diddler?

What would she be if she were an 18 year old guy? Be honest.

A stupid teen, really and I am being honest.

When does the adult age start to you?

When the two wouldn't meet under normal circumstances or the person is an authority figure, eg: a freshman in college and a freshman in HS wouldn't meet and share the same social circles, a substitute teacher and a junior in HS would violate the authority portion.  Obviously there are edge cases that would be exceptions which I have partially addressed.

I'm gonna go bang my 12 year old neighbor!  We meet under normal circumstances all the time.  I'm dumb and can't read well.

FTFY


How so?  Your conditions were a) Wouldn't meet under normal circumstances, being a neighbor is a normal one more so than only knowing each other because of a particular sport or because the other is a girl genious and b) an authority figure, which I am not.  I am just the friend of the parents.

So, I'm cool right?

I know this hard for you to understand, but again, I am not writing a piece of legislation, I am simply stating how to solve the most obvious case, a freshman and senior relationship.  I didn't not define all the rules so you can make up all the hypotheticals you want and no they aren't cool.  Jesus you people are dense.


Or, you could, you know, not fark jailbait. Much simpler.
 
2013-05-24 10:47:47 PM  

Loren: birdistasty: The child in me can't stop laughing at her name.  The last place my husband worked at, there was a guy there named Todd Watkins.  His company-created email address turned out to be twatkins[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]emanynapmoc[* image 7x13]com (which also made me giggle).  This woman's name would be khunt.

/ok, I think maybe it's just the meds?
//or I just have a ten year old's sense of humor..

Not as bad as the doc I encountered with an e-mail of kum.

redslippers: And an older person, boy or girl, who is a legal adult, should have no interest in a fourteen year old. The vast majority of these situations are predatory. There is a grossly uneven power dynamic between the parties and the younger is at a significant disadvantage. The law recognizes this, and the law is there because society recognizes this.

Usually there is a power problem.  However, these two were peers because the younger one was well above her grade level.

Tommy Moo: I don't know. The problem with the law is that there's no grey area, but in the real world there is. There are age gaps where it starts to get kinda creepy and maybe sorta inappropriate, but to the law, you are either guilty as sin or pure as the driven snow. Over 20 with a 14 year old and I'd say lock her up, and I'd dare anyone to try to make it about homophobia. But at the same time, if this was 17/14 I don't think anyone would care. The power balance in their relationship didn't suddenly, dramatically shift on the day this girl turned 18.

THIS.

I think what she did was wrong but I don't think it warrants anything like the punishment the law dictates.

redslippers: They were not "part of the same peer group". How much time have you spent around teenagers lately? How much time immersed in a high school? It is scandalous for a senior to date a freshman. These girls were not buddies all along, they JUST MET. Seniors and freshmen do not share classes, they do not haunt the same social circles, they are not "peers". Seniors and Juniors, that argument holds valid. Juniors and sophomores, there is overlap. Sophomores and freshmen, some overlap. And there is the occasional senior dating an older sophomore.

A 14 year old on the same team as an 18 year old.  Not to mention the 14 year old was in some classes well above her grade level.

As a freshman I had a class in which everyone else was a junior or senior.  As a sophomore I was taking two classes at the community college.

bigwf2007: I'd say jury nullification is her only hope. I can see maybe convincing one or two jurors that this really is all about her being a lesbian and not about her being an adult molesting a 14-year-old. But I just can't see her convincing an entire jury, even in Florida, to overlook both the law and the facts of the case.

All it takes is one to hang the jury.  It also isn't just a matter of overlooking the facts--I would probably vote not guilty because I feel the law dictates a punishment that's far too harsh for what she did.


My kindergartner is learning her multiplication tables. That doesn't put her on par with third graders. My 14 year old is taking college level literature and history. That doesn't put her on par with college kids. My 17 year old is about to finish her BS. That doesn't mean she's ready to play with the big boys.

There is a hell of a lot more to development than curriculum. And nowhere have I seen it stated that the 14 year old was taking senior classes.
 
2013-05-24 10:49:34 PM  

cybrwzrd: I don't think any of us were looking for someone to stay with forever. What's your point?


If you have the morals of a banana slug there I guess that is fine. Most of us like to find someone we can be happy with.
 
2013-05-24 10:51:05 PM  

muck4doo: cybrwzrd: I don't think any of us were looking for someone to stay with forever. What's your point?

If you have the morals of a banana slug there I guess that is fine. Most of us like to find someone we can be happy with.


At least for the night, anyway.
 
2013-05-24 10:51:12 PM  

hammer85: Which as has been posted probably 3 pages worth in this thread, was not the case.


The legal system is broken. Of course the laws on the books aren't ideal. That's why we have trials. Laws suck, people point it out in court, and the courts strike those laws down.

What you have is two teens in the same high school. Close enough. It was legal when they were both underage. It ought to stay legal now. There's people out there right now shooting people down in the streets. That's where the legal system should be focusing its efforts. This? This is between two families. Should not be part of the courts at all.
 
2013-05-24 10:51:22 PM  

muck4doo: cybrwzrd: I don't think any of us were looking for someone to stay with forever. What's your point?

If you have the morals of a banana slug there I guess that is fine. Most of us like to find someone we can be happy with.


So marry your kids off when they're nine, or earlier if someone will have them.

How do you find someone you can be happy with if you don't shop around?
 
2013-05-24 10:53:02 PM  

doglover: hammer85: Which as has been posted probably 3 pages worth in this thread, was not the case.

The legal system is broken. Of course the laws on the books aren't ideal. That's why we have trials. Laws suck, people point it out in court, and the courts strike those laws down.

What you have is two teens in the same high school. Close enough. It was legal when they were both underage. It ought to stay legal now. There's people out there right now shooting people down in the streets. That's where the legal system should be focusing its efforts. This? This is between two families. Should not be part of the courts at all.


Uh...it was never legal, see the 100 or so posts with links to the affadavit or whatever.  I know that requires reading which I assume someone who thinks its okay for 18 year olds to fark 14 year olds can't do, but do please try and keep up.

You can have your own opinions, you can't have your own facts.
 
2013-05-24 10:53:14 PM  
I see how this works:

- 18 year old man sleeps with 14 year old girl: "Castrate the perv! Death is to good for him"
- 18 year old woman sleeps with 14 year old girl: "The legal system is broken!"

/don't blame me, blame the bourbon
 
2013-05-24 10:53:55 PM  

doglover: hammer85: Which as has been posted probably 3 pages worth in this thread, was not the case.

The legal system is broken. Of course the laws on the books aren't ideal. That's why we have trials. Laws suck, people point it out in court, and the courts strike those laws down.

What you have is two teens in the same high school. Close enough. It was legal when they were both underage. It ought to stay legal now. There's people out there right now shooting people down in the streets. That's where the legal system should be focusing its efforts. This? This is between two families. Should not be part of the courts at all.


Psst! It was always between an adult and a child......
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit -Redacted

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/05/21/us/hunt-arrest-affidav it.html?_r=0

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=564_1369419007&comments=1
 
2013-05-24 10:55:56 PM  

WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?


Dunno. Will they be departing on different trains, heading in opposite directions, at different rates of speed?

I was told that there would be no math.
 
2013-05-24 10:57:00 PM  

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: redslippers: doglover: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

And that's why almost all our current DAs should be shot into the sun.

Our legal system is so farked up pleading guilty to something that is only illegal because lawmakers are farking retarded is better and cheaper than being innocent of wrong doing.

FARK THAT. We need to fix this system so plea deals and settlements are never the best option.

Only she's not innocent of wrongdoing. She was having sex with a very underage girl, was warned more than once, then convinced the kid to run away for a night of hot lesbian love. The plea was a gift.

Well, that's for a jury to decide now. Oh and I got arrested in my bed at home for being a runaway when I was 16 so well. Oh and it was cause I left the house the night before for hot lesbian sex without permission : )
/Crazy times

I don't think this can be repeated too often....

Go on.


Well as I said crazy times, she was a fun girl but equally crazy and I regret the day I met her but well, we stayed off and on for about 4 years.
 
2013-05-24 10:57:19 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: muck4doo: cybrwzrd: I don't think any of us were looking for someone to stay with forever. What's your point?

If you have the morals of a banana slug there I guess that is fine. Most of us like to find someone we can be happy with.

So marry your kids off when they're nine, or earlier if someone will have them.

How do you find someone you can be happy with if you don't shop around?


Most of us would like to find someone we can be happy with = Marry your kids at nine!
 
2013-05-24 10:58:43 PM  

doglover: Brostorm: doglover: redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl

Not under any sane legal system.

ok "doglover"  sane is subjective.

When something is perfectly legal the year before, it shouldn't magically become illegal the next year just because some subjective age limit was reached. That's why most places have a close age exception if they have age of consent laws.


So, how young is too young? Fourteen is awfully young, and I I find your use of "sane" quite odd. So, should it be 13? 12? 11?

A LOT of 14 year old girls haven't even started their menstrual cycles yet. Think about that.
 
2013-05-24 10:59:00 PM  

Bumblefark: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Dunno. Will they be departing on different trains, heading in opposite directions, at different rates of speed?

I was told that there would be no math.


They're taking the midnight trains going anywhere.
 
2013-05-24 10:59:05 PM  

Bumblefark: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Dunno. Will they be departing on different trains, heading in opposite directions, at different rates of speed?

I was told that there would be no math.


No. The same speed: the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow.
 
2013-05-24 10:59:14 PM  

WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?


Yes. Because you are not the morality police and arbitrary laws controlling "minors" as property of their parents are stupid. Alcohol and voting laws based on age are just as irrational. I don't see how a person emerges from the chrysalis of irresponsible child to responsible adult during the 60 seconds between 17 years, 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 18 years 0 days 0 minutes. Some 14 year olds are older mentally than some 20 year olds. Base the laws around cognizance, even if it is harder.
 
2013-05-24 10:59:31 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: redslippers: doglover: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

And that's why almost all our current DAs should be shot into the sun.

Our legal system is so farked up pleading guilty to something that is only illegal because lawmakers are farking retarded is better and cheaper than being innocent of wrong doing.

FARK THAT. We need to fix this system so plea deals and settlements are never the best option.

Only she's not innocent of wrongdoing. She was having sex with a very underage girl, was warned more than once, then convinced the kid to run away for a night of hot lesbian love. The plea was a gift.

Well, that's for a jury to decide now. Oh and I got arrested in my bed at home for being a runaway when I was 16 so well. Oh and it was cause I left the house the night before for hot lesbian sex without permission : )
/Crazy times

I don't think this can be repeated too often....

Go on.

Well as I said crazy times, she was a fun girl but equally crazy and I regret the day I met her but well, we stayed off and on for about 4 years.


Crazy in the head, crazy in the bed.  That's probably why I keep ending up with crazy girlfriends.

BTW, what psychological disorder do you currently suffer from?
 
2013-05-24 11:00:01 PM  

redslippers: There is a hell of a lot more to development than curriculum. And nowhere have I seen it stated that the 14 year old was taking senior classes.


There was one article (the one that mentioned the sports thing that said the younger girl was taking "IR" classes, I don't know what that is but it mentioned they had classes together.
/No idea and still not saying it's right.
 
2013-05-24 11:00:30 PM  

redslippers: doglover: Brostorm: doglover: redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl

Not under any sane legal system.

ok "doglover"  sane is subjective.

When something is perfectly legal the year before, it shouldn't magically become illegal the next year just because some subjective age limit was reached. That's why most places have a close age exception if they have age of consent laws.

So, how young is too young? Fourteen is awfully young, and I I find your use of "sane" quite odd. So, should it be 13? 12? 11?

A LOT of 14 year old girls haven't even started their menstrual cycles yet. Think about that.


Amazing isn't it, how many Farkers are all for kids getting sexually exploited.
 
2013-05-24 11:01:30 PM  

muck4doo: redslippers: doglover: Brostorm: doglover: redslippers: She was having sex with a very underage girl

Not under any sane legal system.

ok "doglover"  sane is subjective.

When something is perfectly legal the year before, it shouldn't magically become illegal the next year just because some subjective age limit was reached. That's why most places have a close age exception if they have age of consent laws.

So, how young is too young? Fourteen is awfully young, and I I find your use of "sane" quite odd. So, should it be 13? 12? 11?

A LOT of 14 year old girls haven't even started their menstrual cycles yet. Think about that.

Amazing isn't it, how many Farkers are all for kids getting sexually exploited.


Yes. Disgusting is more like it.
 
2013-05-24 11:01:42 PM  

cybrwzrd: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Yes. Because you are not the morality police and arbitrary laws controlling "minors" as property of their parents are stupid. Alcohol and voting laws based on age are just as irrational. I don't see how a person emerges from the chrysalis of irresponsible child to responsible adult during the 60 seconds between 17 years, 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 18 years 0 days 0 minutes. Some 14 year olds are older mentally than some 20 year olds. Base the laws around cognizance, even if it is harder.


0.tqn.com
 
2013-05-24 11:02:48 PM  

OgreMagi: BTW, what psychological disorder do you currently suffer from?


Depression/anxiety oh and a willingness to post on Fark ; )
 
2013-05-24 11:03:10 PM  
At what in any of this has anyone said that "they had sex"? Where is the evidence that intercourse or other similarly intimate contact was made?

Without evidence of sexual activity beyond "necking," then there is no case.
 
2013-05-24 11:03:37 PM  

cybrwzrd: WhippingBoy: Consider this situation:

- a guy who turns 19 tomorrow
- a girl who turned 14 yesterday
- they have sex today

Is this OK?

Yes. Because you are not the morality police and arbitrary laws controlling "minors" as property of their parents are stupid. Alcohol and voting laws based on age are just as irrational. I don't see how a person emerges from the chrysalis of irresponsible child to responsible adult during the 60 seconds between 17 years, 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 18 years 0 days 0 minutes. Some 14 year olds are older mentally than some 20 year olds. Base the laws around cognizance, even if it is harder.


Ah, I see now why you're not allowed within a hundred feet of the local playground now.
 
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