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2013-05-24 09:34:22 PM  
Wait, wait.  Isn't Florida one of those states where things lesbians do for sex don't even legally count as sex, especially in rape cases?  If what they're doing isn't really sex then it can't be rape.

Hang on, let me answer my own question:
In general, Florida Statute 794.011 defines Sexual Battery and rape as:

Unconsensual oral, anal, or vaginal physical penetration or union with the sexual organ of a person,ORUnconsensual oral, anal, or vaginal penetration of another person with any object.
 So, if the girl used her fingers or tongue which are neither sexual organs or objects in this sense, then she's good to go. Just say they never used dildos.
 
2013-05-24 09:34:35 PM  

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: No because I don't see it that way. I see it as a freshman in HS ran away with a senior in HS and had sex. 14 year olds run away, freshman and seniors have sex, and this stuff has been going on for generations.

And the "15 will get you 20" rule of thumb has also been around for generations. The 18 year olds that you speak of often end up in jail. That's where this girl belongs.


No, some do, most don't and it is stupid.
 
2013-05-24 09:35:13 PM  

redslippers: dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.

The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?

I was talking about the school that redslippers kids go to.  So my point stands, most schools in the US are 9-12 where freshman, soph., juniors and seniors all intermingle, socialize, become friends, have relationships.....

Yet you ignore where I stated that my kids attended Sebastian High, and that in that school, this is not normal and freshmen and seniors are not hanging out. BTW, at this school, electives are separated into ones available for freshmen/sophomores and those for juniors/seniors. So its hallways and sports, otherwise zero fraternization between freshmen and seniors.


Okay, so how did they meet?
 
2013-05-24 09:35:20 PM  

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: No, if the younger girl was 16 this wouldn't be an issue because that is considered the age of consent in Florida. R&J laws carve out exceptions so that those who aren't of the age of consent can still consent within their peer group eg: a 15 year old with an 18 year old. My problem is with using 18 as an arbitrary line as opposed to a grade difference because while age is an ok predictor of development, what grade you are in is even a better measure.

No R&J laws allow for a 14 yo to have sex with a 18 yo. The exceptions are there for kids who have reached a certain age and 14 ain't it.


Did I ever claim that any R&J law did?  No, I said they should though and they shouldn't be based on age, but by grade.
 
2013-05-24 09:35:52 PM  

dlp211: No, some do, most don't and it is stupid.


The ones that get caught and prosecuted do.
 
2013-05-24 09:36:09 PM  

hardinparamedic: And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.


except when it isn't

I've known several people that have been sexually abused. I've also known several people that have been sexually active in this alleged DANGAH ZONE of age where it's perfectly farkign normal for hormones to rage enough that these kids seek out real satisfaction.

Sometimes sex is just sex. I'm not saying your crusade isn't founded in reality, I'm saying you need to recognize for ever case that fits your rule there are many (quite possibly much more) cases where it's perfectly normal.

But this is America, and sex is never just sex. It's somehow supposed to be some shameful solemn act and if you dare to think otherwise you must be some perverted freak.

4 years is nothing at any point of the scale. When I was 15 I'd take whatever I could get in the sex dept. because that's what me and my body decided we were going to do. I was never abused by any sense of the term.

When I was 15 she was 18 and it was normal and great. When I was 17 and she was 24 it was also a very normal, natural and very very fun relationship. When I was 21 and she was 17 it was as normal as normal can get. Both our parents were apprehensive but neither (both severe sex-scared right wingers, her dad a pastor on top of that) ever even insinuated it was inappropriate because it so obviously wasn't.

The focus in these situations should always be one of examining intent, consent and a mature or at least comprehensive understanding on the part of the younger of the two parties. When I was 15, 16, 17, I knew what the hell I was doing and seeking out and so did all the other kids my age, male or female. And I also knew damn well when I was 13 and 14... I just could never find a willing volunteer. Ruining peoples lives for what is an otherwise normal relationship is such an outrageous injustice to both the people in question and to society as a whole that it should never be diminished or forgotten.

The law isn't good at making smart decisions. It just makes decisions. It's up to us to form it into something intelligent and appropriate.

I like 4 year gap laws (as long as they are within 4 years) but again you'll find cases where even that is too strictly applied to an otherwise natural and normal relationship.

You'll also find cases of inappropriate relationships that fit within the wording of the law. It goes both ways.

I'm not sure why it's such taboo to point out the ages at which we've been naturally procreating for the last few hundred thousand years. Yes, we're more civilized today and yes the intentions of many of our laws are good and right. This will never change the fact that nothing magical happens to you the night you turn 18 and that laws designed by humans will never be successful in forcing nature to conform.

People are going to be attracted to each other, they are going to get it on and it may frequently happen under situations something don't agree with or find distasteful. This doesn't in and of itself make it criminal or some warning flag. No matter  how many horror stories you can point to to make your case. At least, it doesn't have to be criminal.

And if we are going to have a crusade to de-sexualize everything under 18... it's time to get rid of the internet. Because if you think exposure and participation in sexual activity is wrong under 18, the only responsible thing a civilized society would do considering the availability/accessibility of porn on the internet is to shut the internet down. I mean, are we or are we not permitting the corruption of an entire generation of youth? Is making those images available any less criminal than flashing a kid? Is it ok because there is that "you must be 18" disclaimer?

Oh, but wait, masturbation and checking out porn are the staples of adolescence... however when one of them gets the wise idea to actually DO it, look out. End of the world. They're obviously sex abused mentally ill perverts and/or victims that are going to infect all the other youth with their sex disease!!
 
2013-05-24 09:36:51 PM  

gadian: Wait, wait.  Isn't Florida one of those states where things lesbians do for sex don't even legally count as sex, especially in rape cases?  If what they're doing isn't really sex then it can't be rape.

Hang on, let me answer my own question:
In general, Florida Statute 794.011 defines Sexual Battery and rape as:

Unconsensual oral, anal, or vaginal physical penetration or union with the sexual organ of a person,ORUnconsensual oral, anal, or vaginal penetration of another person with any object.
 So, if the girl used her fingers or tongue which are neither sexual organs or objects in this sense, then she's good to go. Just say they never used dildos.


Florida statute 800.04. Please read it, particularly paragraph (5) Lewd and Lascivious Molestation.
 
2013-05-24 09:36:53 PM  
Don't be surprised that, turning down the deal, the minor involved may not cooperate...and if the family is religious....they may not be able to handle the pre-trial hearings... the depositions...the sexual nature of the case...the discussion of their minor daughter's vajayjay. Don't be surprised the defense may already be aware of this
 
2013-05-24 09:37:26 PM  

skozlaw: Ah, yes. The magical ages of 16, then 18, then 21 where you suddenly become responsible enough to engage in behaviors that were completely out of the question the day before.

/ if you have to place an arbitrary age limit on your law to enforce it, it probably shouldn't be a law


You're right, let me run out and get my 8yr nephew a handgun.
 
2013-05-24 09:38:11 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: redslippers: dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.

The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?

I was talking about the school that redslippers kids go to.  So my point stands, most schools in the US are 9-12 where freshman, soph., juniors and seniors all intermingle, socialize, become friends, have relationships.....

Yet you ignore where I stated that my kids attended Sebastian High, and that in that school, this is not normal and freshmen and seniors are not hanging out. BTW, at this school, electives are separated into ones available for freshmen/sophomores and those for juniors/seniors. So its hallways and sports, otherwise zero fraternization between freshmen and seniors.

Okay, so how did they meet?


Sports.
 
2013-05-24 09:38:36 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: redslippers: dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.

The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?

I was talking about the school that redslippers kids go to.  So my point stands, most schools in the US are 9-12 where freshman, soph., juniors and seniors all intermingle, socialize, become friends, have relationships.....

Yet you ignore where I stated that my kids attended Sebastian High, and that in that school, this is not normal and freshmen and seniors are not hanging out. BTW, at this school, electives are separated into ones available for freshmen/sophomores and those for juniors/seniors. So its hallways and sports, otherwise zero fraternization between freshmen and seniors.

Okay, so how did they meet?


Basketball practice. The older girl played varsity, the younger went out for JV. They met at practice.
 
2013-05-24 09:39:13 PM  

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: No, some do, most don't and it is stupid.

The ones that get caught and prosecuted do.


What is your point?  I said some 18 year olds get caught, I also said it was stupid because most don't.  If you are that hellbent on punishing some 18 year old kid, and they are still a kid if they are in high school, make it a misdemeanor, not a felony with a requirement to be a registered sex offender.
 
2013-05-24 09:40:05 PM  

dlp211: Did I ever claim that any R&J law did? No, I said they should though and they shouldn't be based on age, but by grade.


Do you realize how stupid that sounds?  There are some kids who are 12 YO going into high school and there are definitely some 19 year olds in the 12th grade. Using your logic it's OK for a 19 YO to have sex with a 12 YO. Age is used for a reason. The only people who complain about it are members of NAMBLA.
 
2013-05-24 09:41:06 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Don't be surprised that, turning down the deal, the minor involved may not cooperate...and if the family is religious....they may not be able to handle the pre-trial hearings... the depositions...the sexual nature of the case...the discussion of their minor daughter's vajayjay. Don't be surprised the defense may already be aware of this


Nope. I know the players involved. They have a solid case and the younger girl is the "cooperating complaining witness" meaning she, not her parents, decided to press charges.
 
2013-05-24 09:41:12 PM  

IronOcelot: This is bullshiat since they waited until she was 18 to press charges.
However, I see no way this can work out in favor for the girl.


Legally, probably not.  Financially, on the other hand, this -- especially if she's convicted -- is worth a Lifetime movie, a book deal, and a round on the talk show and speech circuit for LGBT rights. If she's savvy about leveraging this and with her finances, she's set for life.
 
2013-05-24 09:42:17 PM  
She needs to go to jail.

The same an 18 yr old man would go to jail for having sex with a 14 yr old girl.
 
2013-05-24 09:42:32 PM  

redslippers: Florida statute 800.04. Please read it, particularly paragraph (5) Lewd and Lascivious Molestation.


That very much depends on your definition of lewd and lascivious, doesn't it?

I just so much get a kick out of these states who won't define rape as any object or any part of a person coming into any sexual contact with any non-consensual person.  That way rape would be rape no matter the gender or age of the perpetrator.  It's so easy, but noooo.
 
2013-05-24 09:42:54 PM  
Hold on folks---I was suddenly reminded of  "JAMES AT 15"!

/remember the episode with that Swedish girl?
//I'll be in my memory-bunk
 
2013-05-24 09:43:48 PM  
And I should at that filing a no information and dropping the case when the witness/victim is reluctant is standard operating procedure in Workman's office. This is going to trial.
 
2013-05-24 09:45:23 PM  

gadian: redslippers: Florida statute 800.04. Please read it, particularly paragraph (5) Lewd and Lascivious Molestation.

That very much depends on your definition of lewd and lascivious, doesn't it?

I just so much get a kick out of these states who won't define rape as any object or any part of a person coming into any sexual contact with any non-consensual person.  That way rape would be rape no matter the gender or age of the perpetrator.  It's so easy, but noooo.


Lewd and lascivious is explicitly defined in paragraph (1).
 
2013-05-24 09:45:27 PM  
I guess I don't understand the whole situation...starting with the retarded absolutes some farkers love to posit. Two consenting kids farking one another is not rape, statutory or otherwise. While the law may say an 18 year old is an adult, go hang out with one some time - they clearly are not. Also, they go to the same farking high school. HIGH SCHOOL. I am unaware of any actual **adults** attending high school. Those of you yammering your moral outrage remind me of the Harvard homosexuality experiment - the stronger your moral outrage, the more likely you are to need to have a seat with Chris Hanson, right over here.

It can be easily proven the older kid isn't an adult - she still believes in love, and that honesty and good intentions will reign over police and politics. It seems  this could have been avoided by complete, pure denial of the alleged sexual encounter; or, better yet, not a word of anything at all. Any attorneys care to chime in regarding a situationof "she said, she said" in a case like this?
 
2013-05-24 09:45:36 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Huntington Post has a different take on the deal:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/05/24/kaitlyn-hunt-refus e s-plea-deal-gay-teen-charged_n_3331434.html?ir=Gay+Voices


she should have taken the deal. those backwater farks in Fla are going to send her to prison.
 
2013-05-24 09:46:45 PM  

Radioactive Ass: You are starting to sound like a kiddie diddler yourself.


Yeah, I'm thinking it's plonk time, here. "Forget all context, one girl is 18 and the other's 15, and therefore it's a-jailin' time for her, and if you disagree with me you're a child molester!".
 
2013-05-24 09:46:53 PM  

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: Did I ever claim that any R&J law did? No, I said they should though and they shouldn't be based on age, but by grade.

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?  There are some kids who are 12 YO going into high school and there are definitely some 19 year olds in the 12th grade. Using your logic it's OK for a 19 YO to have sex with a 12 YO. Age is used for a reason. The only people who complain about it are members of NAMBLA.


Wow, we are robots and we can't think through situations, everything must be black and white and there is no way that we can think about these scenarios on there own merits and legislate them.  Nope no way whatsoever.  Or you know, we can recognize this and use a sliding age scale, since the max difference should be 4 years in the normal case, let's go with that.  I never have sat down and thought about all the scenario's, but the one that plays out all to often is a senior 18 year old with some 14/15 year old freshman having the rest of his, and in this instance her life ruined and this is dumb.
 
2013-05-24 09:47:20 PM  

gadian: I just so much get a kick out of these states who won't define rape as any object or any part of a person coming into any sexual contact with any non-consensual person. That way rape would be rape no matter the gender or age of the perpetrator. It's so easy, but noooo.


So an accidental elbow to the boob would make someone a sex offender. No thanks.
 
2013-05-24 09:47:49 PM  

Holographic Shimmering Pork: I guess I don't understand the whole situation...starting with the retarded absolutes some farkers love to posit. Two consenting kids farking one another is not rape, statutory or otherwise. While the law may say an 18 year old is an adult, go hang out with one some time - they clearly are not. Also, they go to the same farking high school. HIGH SCHOOL. I am unaware of any actual **adults** attending high school. Those of you yammering your moral outrage remind me of the Harvard homosexuality experiment - the stronger your moral outrage, the more likely you are to need to have a seat with Chris Hanson, right over here.

It can be easily proven the older kid isn't an adult - she still believes in love, and that honesty and good intentions will reign over police and politics. It seems  this could have been avoided by complete, pure denial of the alleged sexual encounter; or, better yet, not a word of anything at all. Any attorneys care to chime in regarding a situationof "she said, she said" in a case like this?


And some adults are so immature they might as well be children.

So let's just have some 30 year old farking 15 year olds because hey, same mentality.

And every teacher that ever farked a student should be let off cause SAME HIGH SCHOOL
 
2013-05-24 09:49:19 PM  

gadian: redslippers: Florida statute 800.04. Please read it, particularly paragraph (5) Lewd and Lascivious Molestation.

That very much depends on your definition of lewd and lascivious, doesn't it?

I just so much get a kick out of these states who won't define rape as any object or any part of a person coming into any sexual contact with any non-consensual person.  That way rape would be rape no matter the gender or age of the perpetrator.  It's so easy, but noooo.


This also has nothing to do with consent. Florida has very clear rape statutes. This covers sexual contact with a party under the age of consent.

/law. It's not THAT complicated.
//there are thousands of statutes
///forcible rape and sex with a child are not the same and governed under different statutes.
 
2013-05-24 09:49:26 PM  
I see it this way...

Two young women (yes, there was a 4-year gap) started a physical relationship.

The rumor-mill did it's job by making sure that every body in school knew that two girls are having sex.  The younger of the two was hurt by the rumors, and certainly taunted.

The coach and other students told the younger girl's parents what was happening.  Young girl is hurt that everybody knows, and feels betrayed by older girl.

Parents involve the law.

Honestly I do not think the parents are doing young girl any favors.  Now this is going to be a lengthy process during which everyone in that high school will know who she is and what she did with the older girl.  She is not going to live this down while still knowing anyone from high school.

How is prosecuting a high school senior (male of female) going to help any freshman get on with her life?

I feel for the freshman.  I was kinda slutty at that age, and I lived with the rumors.  No amount of legal action would have made my life easier.  It was my own actions that put me in that situation, and, even at 14, I knew that at the time.
 
2013-05-24 09:49:41 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Yeah, I'm thinking it's plonk time, here. "Forget all context, one girl is 18 and the other's 15, and therefore it's a-jailin' time for her, and if you disagree with me you're a child molester!".


Fourteen. Read the thread.
 
2013-05-24 09:50:28 PM  

hammer85: Holographic Shimmering Pork: I guess I don't understand the whole situation...starting with the retarded absolutes some farkers love to posit. Two consenting kids farking one another is not rape, statutory or otherwise. While the law may say an 18 year old is an adult, go hang out with one some time - they clearly are not. Also, they go to the same farking high school. HIGH SCHOOL. I am unaware of any actual **adults** attending high school. Those of you yammering your moral outrage remind me of the Harvard homosexuality experiment - the stronger your moral outrage, the more likely you are to need to have a seat with Chris Hanson, right over here.

It can be easily proven the older kid isn't an adult - she still believes in love, and that honesty and good intentions will reign over police and politics. It seems  this could have been avoided by complete, pure denial of the alleged sexual encounter; or, better yet, not a word of anything at all. Any attorneys care to chime in regarding a situationof "she said, she said" in a case like this?

And some adults are so immature they might as well be children.

So let's just have some 30 year old farking 15 year olds because hey, same mentality.

And every teacher that ever farked a student should be let off cause SAME HIGH SCHOOL


Are you retarded, do you lack critical thinking skills.
 
2013-05-24 09:51:14 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Radioactive Ass: You are starting to sound like a kiddie diddler yourself.

Yeah, I'm thinking it's plonk time, here. "Forget all context, one girl is 18 and the other's 15, and therefore it's a-jailin' time for her, and if you disagree with me you're a child molester!".


The kid was FOURTEEN. That isn't legal anywhere. How hard is this to grasp?
 
2013-05-24 09:52:01 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Igor Jakovsky: In florida the r&j law is 23-16. I think 23 is pretty generous on the high end. Think about that. A person a year out of college can be consensually involved with a high school junior (maybe sophmore even).

The laws are there to protect the younger person from being predated upon. The law assumes that by age 16 the person is able to make that decision. 16 is not 14. This is where you're missing the mark and several people (not just myself) have pointed this out to you. You are starting to sound like a kiddie diddler yourself.


What are you talking about. I think she should be in jail just like any other 18 year old who is shtupping a 14 year old. Either you have me confused with someone else or are not reading my posts. I only brought up Florida's 23-16 law was because I thought the upper limit was to high. My second point was that I found it bizarre that someone out of college could legally have sex with a high school sophomore.
 
2013-05-24 09:52:06 PM  

Loris: I see it this way...

Two young women (yes, there was a 4-year gap) started a physical relationship.


Nothing you said after this matters.
 
2013-05-24 09:52:08 PM  
Apparently the 14 year old parent spoke up about this relationship. They said the relationship didn't start until she was 18 and they told her a couple of time to knock it off.
Beware this is The blaze website, so feel free to flame it all you want but it's the parent side of the affair.If this is accurate and with gays demanding equal rights in society, great I'm all in for it but live like the rest of us in the eyes of the law.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/24/theres-a-major-twist-in-t he -story-about-a-high-school-students-lesbian-relationship-with-a-minor- as-younger-teens-parents-drop-alleged-bombshell/
 
2013-05-24 09:53:06 PM  

Radioactive Ass: gadian: I just so much get a kick out of these states who won't define rape as any object or any part of a person coming into any sexual contact with any non-consensual person. That way rape would be rape no matter the gender or age of the perpetrator. It's so easy, but noooo.

So an accidental elbow to the boob would make someone a sex offender. No thanks.


Only if you did it in such a way that made someone scream rape (Joking).  Seriously though, I wasn't using precise language and meant penetration when I said contact. I was more roughly, vaguely describing the newer federal definition of rape, which, in my opinion, every state should be required to adopt immediately.  There should be no dispute of what rape is anywhere, at any time.
 
2013-05-24 09:53:57 PM  

dlp211: Wow, we are robots and we can't think through situations, everything must be black and white and there is no way that we can think about these scenarios on there own merits and legislate them. Nope no way whatsoever. Or you know, we can recognize this and use a sliding age scale, since the max difference should be 4 years in the normal case, let's go with that. I never have sat down and thought about all the scenario's, but the one that plays out all to often is a senior 18 year old with some 14/15 year old freshman having the rest of his, and in this instance her life ruined and this is dumb.


So a 16 year old should be able to have sex with a 12 year old? How about 14-10? The laws are set at 16 for a reason. It's assumed that by age 16 someone has enough sense to make that decision. Why don't you go find some child psychologists that support your stance.
 
2013-05-24 09:54:51 PM  

Brostorm: Loris: I see it this way...

Two young women (yes, there was a 4-year gap) started a physical relationship.

Nothing you said after this matters.


She talked about being a slutty 14yo... that matters.
 
2013-05-24 09:55:08 PM  

dlp211: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: No, if the younger girl was 16 this wouldn't be an issue because that is considered the age of consent in Florida. R&J laws carve out exceptions so that those who aren't of the age of consent can still consent within their peer group eg: a 15 year old with an 18 year old. My problem is with using 18 as an arbitrary line as opposed to a grade difference because while age is an ok predictor of development, what grade you are in is even a better measure.

No R&J laws allow for a 14 yo to have sex with a 18 yo. The exceptions are there for kids who have reached a certain age and 14 ain't it.

Did I ever claim that any R&J law did?  No, I said they should though and they shouldn't be based on age, but by grade.


Why grade? What of the 19 or 20 year old senior who was held back. What of a 13 year old freshman who skipped a grade?
 
2013-05-24 09:55:26 PM  

redslippers: Basketball practice. The older girl played varsity, the younger went out for JV. They met at practice.


Okay, I read that in an article awhile back but well with all the crazy non-facts out there, well wasn't sure anymore.
 
2013-05-24 09:55:49 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Radioactive Ass: Igor Jakovsky: In florida the r&j law is 23-16. I think 23 is pretty generous on the high end. Think about that. A person a year out of college can be consensually involved with a high school junior (maybe sophmore even).

The laws are there to protect the younger person from being predated upon. The law assumes that by age 16 the person is able to make that decision. 16 is not 14. This is where you're missing the mark and several people (not just myself) have pointed this out to you. You are starting to sound like a kiddie diddler yourself.

What are you talking about. I think she should be in jail just like any other 18 year old who is shtupping a 14 year old. Either you have me confused with someone else or are not reading my posts. I only brought up Florida's 23-16 law was because I thought the upper limit was to high. My second point was that I found it bizarre that someone out of college could legally have sex with a high school sophomore.


You do realize that 16 is the age of consent in most states and that there is no upper bound on the age.
 
2013-05-24 09:56:56 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: dlp211: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: No, if the younger girl was 16 this wouldn't be an issue because that is considered the age of consent in Florida. R&J laws carve out exceptions so that those who aren't of the age of consent can still consent within their peer group eg: a 15 year old with an 18 year old. My problem is with using 18 as an arbitrary line as opposed to a grade difference because while age is an ok predictor of development, what grade you are in is even a better measure.

No R&J laws allow for a 14 yo to have sex with a 18 yo. The exceptions are there for kids who have reached a certain age and 14 ain't it.

Did I ever claim that any R&J law did?  No, I said they should though and they shouldn't be based on age, but by grade.

Why grade? What of the 19 or 20 year old senior who was held back. What of a 13 year old freshman who skipped a grade?


Read my other posts, I addressed this already.
 
2013-05-24 09:57:30 PM  

Sagus: Apparently the 14 year old parent spoke up about this relationship. They said the relationship didn't start until she was 18 and they told her a couple of time to knock it off.
Beware this is The blaze website, so feel free to flame it all you want but it's the parent side of the affair.If this is accurate and with gays demanding equal rights in society, great I'm all in for it but live like the rest of us in the eyes of the law.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/24/theres-a-major-twist-in-t he -story-about-a-high-school-students-lesbian-relationship-with-a-minor- as-younger-teens-parents-drop-alleged-bombshell/


That is similar to what I have heard from people who work at the school and neighbors of the parents, for a while, so I don't doubt the accuracy. People who know then have been very confused by claims that they are antigay bigots.
 
2013-05-24 09:58:29 PM  

Loris: I see it this way...

Two young women (yes, there was a 4-year gap) started a physical relationship.

The rumor-mill did it's job by making sure that every body in school knew that two girls are having sex.  The younger of the two was hurt by the rumors, and certainly taunted.

The coach and other students told the younger girl's parents what was happening.  Young girl is hurt that everybody knows, and feels betrayed by older girl.

Parents involve the law.

Honestly I do not think the parents are doing young girl any favors.  Now this is going to be a lengthy process during which everyone in that high school will know who she is and what she did with the older girl.  She is not going to live this down while still knowing anyone from high school.

How is prosecuting a high school senior (male of female) going to help any freshman get on with her life?

I feel for the freshman.  I was kinda slutty at that age, and I lived with the rumors.  No amount of legal action would have made my life easier.  It was my own actions that put me in that situation, and, even at 14, I knew that at the time.


Well said, the whole situation is sad.
 
2013-05-24 09:59:02 PM  

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: Wow, we are robots and we can't think through situations, everything must be black and white and there is no way that we can think about these scenarios on there own merits and legislate them. Nope no way whatsoever. Or you know, we can recognize this and use a sliding age scale, since the max difference should be 4 years in the normal case, let's go with that. I never have sat down and thought about all the scenario's, but the one that plays out all to often is a senior 18 year old with some 14/15 year old freshman having the rest of his, and in this instance her life ruined and this is dumb.

So a 16 year old should be able to have sex with a 12 year old? How about 14-10? The laws are set at 16 for a reason. It's assumed that by age 16 someone has enough sense to make that decision. Why don't you go find some child psychologists that support your stance.


Wow, did you read my post.  What I write is not meant to be complete legislation.  In order to do that would require people to sit down and discuss all these issues and actually craft intelligent legislation instead of just saying "18 go to jail".
 
2013-05-24 09:59:20 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: While we're on the subject... does anybody know the statute of limitations for sexual assault of a minor in the State of Texas?

Just curious...


In Texas? No limitation. It's forever.
 
2013-05-24 10:01:24 PM  

hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.


And that's why almost all our current DAs should be shot into the sun.

Our legal system is so farked up pleading guilty to something that is only illegal because lawmakers are farking retarded is better and cheaper than being innocent of wrong doing.

FARK THAT. We need to fix this system so plea deals and settlements are never the best option.
 
2013-05-24 10:03:39 PM  

Holographic Shimmering Pork: Two consenting kids farking one another is not rape, statutory or otherwise.


You do understand what "statutory rape" means, don't you?
 
2013-05-24 10:03:50 PM  

redslippers: I'm going to ignore what  that bosnian sniperactually had to say and go full asspie over a typo.


You know, my response -- and the reason I plonked that person -- was over accusing people of being child molesters for saying the context does, and ought to, matter here. But hey, thanks for playing.
 
2013-05-24 10:04:16 PM  

doglover: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

And that's why almost all our current DAs should be shot into the sun.

Our legal system is so farked up pleading guilty to something that is only illegal because lawmakers are farking retarded is better and cheaper than being innocent of wrong doing.

FARK THAT. We need to fix this system so plea deals and settlements are never the best option.


Only she's not innocent of wrongdoing. She was having sex with a very underage girl, was warned more than once, then convinced the kid to run away for a night of hot lesbian love. The plea was a gift.
 
2013-05-24 10:05:15 PM  
Switch this with 18 year old black guy has sex with 14 year old girl, and why it should be okay in that case. Have some one your own age, biatch.
 
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