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2013-05-24 09:00:17 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And if you would have read all my posts you would realize that I never questioned the current legality, but claimed that it should be changed and that parents should take charge here. You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school. An 18 year old just starting their senior year of high school is not even the same as a 17 starting college yet we treat the former as an adult and the latter as a child.

And using your example of a 17 and 18 yo the relationship that we are discussing would be legal between them. Nowhere in the US is a sexual relationship between a 14 and 18 yo legally acceptable (Indian reservations may be an exception due to their unique situations, however I doubt it).


That wasn't the example that I was making at all, my point is that you can be more mature, in a more responsible status and still be considered a child or you could be less emotionally and psychologically mature and be considered an adult all because of age instead of development.  And to your second point, you are right, and that is stupid.  Not recognizing that an 18 and 14 year old may be a part of the same peer group and thus should be covered under a R&J exception is what I take issue with.
 
2013-05-24 09:01:14 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: mithras_angel: The affidavit has at least one conflict in it. It first states they started a sexual relationship "before Christmas of 2012", and then later states they started a relationship "after Christmas of 2012". Right now, it's worth taking with a grain of salt, at least.

The affidavit says what each party claimed... it's not stating the facts of the relationship.


Yeah, more importantly they both admit the sexual encounters occur and don't disagree on the details.
 
2013-05-24 09:02:13 PM

dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.


And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?
 
2013-05-24 09:03:07 PM
Late one night a cop sees a car parked at the back of a dark parking lot. When the cop approaches the car he sees a man in the front seat and a woman in the back.

The man rolled down his window and the cop asked "what are you doing here?"

The man said "I'm reading a magazine and she's doing a crossword puzzle"

The cop said "Let me see your ID. How old are you?"

They guy handed the cop his driver's license and said "I'm 21."

The cop asked "what about her?"

The guy looked at his watch and said "in about five minutes she'll be 18."
 
2013-05-24 09:03:23 PM
I'm a big believer in equal rights.... if a 18 year old boy had been having sex with my 14 year old daughter, I'd had pressed charges too.  Boy, girl, don't matter, leave your adult hormones away from my underage daughter.
 
2013-05-24 09:04:02 PM

BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?


The law is supposed to prevent it. Knowledge that you go to jail if you bang jail bait is enough to keep most people out of 14 year olds' panties.
 
2013-05-24 09:04:28 PM

Farxist: AbbeySomeone:

Also, why is an 18 year old just entering freshman year?

I think you meant senior year.  But it is a good question.  Seems like she is older than most seniors.


I was 18 when I was in senior year.  It happens when you're birthday is august (which I'm pretty sure it said she was too) and the cutoff point from joining school is.  Basically parents have to decide if they want their kid to be the youngest in the grade or oldest.  Since I'm an irish twin (brother 11 months after), they had us both go to the same grade.

I didn't try boinking Freshmen.  And those that make the "peer group" comments are idiots.  If the younger was a freshman and she was a senior they were a "peer group" for all of a few months (since she was 18 1/2 when charged).

I'm sure this is where those same people support freshman in high school boinking 6th graders, after all, January -> june they were in the same peer group!
 
2013-05-24 09:04:30 PM

dlp211: Juries determine guilt, not punishment.


Exactly. Juries apply the law to a real life specific situation.
 
2013-05-24 09:04:53 PM

Descartes: I'm a big believer in equal rights.... if a 18 year old boy had been having sex with my 14 year old daughter, I'd had pressed charges too.  Boy, girl, don't matter, leave your adult hormones away from my underage daughter.


This. So much this.
 
2013-05-24 09:05:26 PM

redslippers: I wish Fark had a "prevent dumbass" feature that would allow us to ask the mods to insert clarifications at the top of the thread, so that morons would see it BEFORE posting stupid crap that has been corrected 5,412 times.


The worst part is that you don't even have to read the first half of the thread to get the facts. The facts are repeated every 20 posts or so. But some people just come in here, don't read anything and drop an opinion like a turd. Thank you for your original post by the way. If even half of that is presented at trial, she should be toast. I still can't believe she didn't take that gift the prosecutor gave her. She looks a lot less sympathetic when you take away the spin.
 
2013-05-24 09:06:23 PM

redslippers: I wish Fark had a "prevent dumbass" feature that would allow us to ask the mods to insert clarifications at the top of the thread, so that morons would see it BEFORE posting stupid crap that has been corrected 5,412 times.


I'm pretty much with you, pal, but keep in mind that MOST folks (me included) don't read long threads from start-to-finish unless, of course, obsessed or OCD.

Give folks a break lest you be seen as an "internets-weirdo".  Just sayin.....
 
2013-05-24 09:06:53 PM
The parents of the 18 year-old really did their daughter a disservice by not doing the right thing in telling their daughter to leave the younger kid alone. And the daughter is stupid to not take the deal as she's going to get convicted.
 
2013-05-24 09:07:10 PM

BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?


So instead let's throw one in jail.  If you are that hell bent on being a dick of a parent, figure it out and be a parent, you are just going to destroy your relationship with your kid.
 
2013-05-24 09:07:20 PM

redslippers: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

The law is supposed to prevent it. Knowledge that you go to jail if you bang jail bait is enough to keep most people out of 14 year olds' panties.


My point is that parents have great difficulty handling these things without the law's help.  "Just keep your daughter from seeing the other girl" is easier said than done.
 
2013-05-24 09:07:45 PM

redslippers: Igor Jakovsky: Vector R: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

That's about all they can hope for. I loved this part:
FTA: "It's a situation of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship. If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

Darn right there wouldn't. If it was an 18yo guy, he's be in jail+perm sex offender.

Yup and that right there would be enough for me to consider a conviction. Her lawyer isn't doing her any favors with that argument.

And trying to pull this with this SA and the judges in this county is self sabatoge. That's why there is no local legal counsel. This is going to be a bloodbath when it hits trial. Brian Workman is no pussy and neither Judge Wild nor Judge Morgan tolerates bullshiat.


I live one county below you. I've heard about those judges being pretty much hardasses.
 
2013-05-24 09:08:02 PM

OgreMagi: heidinoele: Somthing similar happened to a friend of mine. He started dating a girl when he was 17 and she was 15. When he turned 19 and the girl was 17 the parents got mad and had him prosecuted. He's still trying to get off the sex offender list. It is bullshiat for him and it's bullshiat for this girl.

There was a similar case here in California.  Guy turned 18, his girlfriend was a year younger.  The father pressed charges.  Normally the police would have not bothered, but in this case the father was a cop, so his buddy network took care of things.

Last I heard, the couple is now married with a baby.  The guy is stuck on the sex offender's list so his job prospects are severely limited.  I doubt they have any interaction with daddy dearest.


Who gives a flying fark about THAT guy! He wasn't an attractive lesbian!

/fark our legal system and double standards
 
2013-05-24 09:08:13 PM
I'm finding it very interesting how easily it is to discern parents of teenagers from those who are not from the comments. Those without teenagers don't seem to grasp certain aspects of this at all.
 
2013-05-24 09:08:14 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?

Don't get caught, but most importantly if you're gonna fark a 14 yr old be 14 yourself.

That's fine until a prosecutor with a bug up his ass decides to go full on against the teenagers.  Hell, it's happened to teenagers who sent "randy" pictures of themselves to friends.  Permanently ruining the life of a teenage girl by putting her on the sex offender list for life because she did something stupid as a child seems about as far from justice as you can get, yet it has happened.

Well there's definitely some crazy stuff happening and hell technically I was a criminal up until the SCOTUS decision on sodomy( yes that was about more than anal) so I don't know the world it's crazy sometimes.


Go on ....
 
2013-05-24 09:08:17 PM

Befuddled: The parents of the 18 year-old really did their daughter a disservice by not doing the right thing in telling their daughter to leave the younger kid alone. And the daughter is stupid to not take the deal as she's going to get convicted.


Bottom line  =  THIS.
 
2013-05-24 09:08:34 PM

redslippers: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

The law is supposed to prevent it. Knowledge that you go to jail if you bang jail bait is enough to keep most people out of 14 year olds' panties.


You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.
 
2013-05-24 09:09:58 PM

Begoggle: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: Is Kaitlyn Hunt's father named Mike?

I know you're joking, but seriously her uncle is Gene Masseth.


Oh my... are we doing that again?
 
2013-05-24 09:12:19 PM

Igor Jakovsky: redslippers: I wish Fark had a "prevent dumbass" feature that would allow us to ask the mods to insert clarifications at the top of the thread, so that morons would see it BEFORE posting stupid crap that has been corrected 5,412 times.

The worst part is that you don't even have to read the first half of the thread to get the facts. The facts are repeated every 20 posts or so. But some people just come in here, don't read anything and drop an opinion like a turd. Thank you for your original post by the way. If even half of that is presented at trial, she should be toast. I still can't believe she didn't take that gift the prosecutor gave her. She looks a lot less sympathetic when you take away the spin.


Thanks. I've been following this for a while on local news and with people discussing it locally on facebook, and was very skeptical with the Hunt's version, mostly because I know and have worked with literally all the authorities involved. They worked that rumor mill like a stripper on a pole and it's going to bite them in the ass.
 
2013-05-24 09:13:10 PM

redslippers: I'm finding it very interesting how easily it is to discern parents of teenagers from those who are not from the comments. Those without teenagers don't seem to grasp certain aspects of this at all.


Or perhaps some of us don't white wash our high school years and see everything through rose colored glasses.  I don't have any teenage daughters but I do have two daughters.  I also have a sister-in-law that I have known since she was 9, and she is 16 now who I have spent an immense amount of time around being that my wife's family is Italian.
 
2013-05-24 09:13:34 PM

dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

So instead let's throw one in jail.  If you are that hell bent on being a dick of a parent, figure it out and be a parent, you are just going to destroy your relationship with your kid.


You do realize the 18 got the 14 year old to run away, right? What are you supposed to do at that point but get the law involved?
 
2013-05-24 09:13:39 PM

dlp211: That wasn't the example that I was making at all, my point is that you can be more mature, in a more responsible status and still be considered a child or you could be less emotionally and psychologically mature and be considered an adult all because of age instead of development. And to your second point, you are right, and that is stupid. Not recognizing that an 18 and 14 year old may be a part of the same peer group and thus should be covered under a R&J exception is what I take issue with.


Age and development are almost universally related in the age groups that we are talking about here. Biology is a biatch. Romeo and Juliet laws are written with that in mind. That's why if the younger girl was 16 this would not be an issue. The R&J laws are there to prevent someone who is nominally of age as being considered jailbait right from the start for people a couple of years older than they are. There has to be a lower limit and that limit is 16 years old in most places (although 17 and 18 are the limits in some other states).
 
2013-05-24 09:15:05 PM

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?

Don't get caught, but most importantly if you're gonna fark a 14 yr old be 14 yourself.

That's fine until a prosecutor with a bug up his ass decides to go full on against the teenagers.  Hell, it's happened to teenagers who sent "randy" pictures of themselves to friends.  Permanently ruining the life of a teenage girl by putting her on the sex offender list for life because she did something stupid as a child seems about as far from justice as you can get, yet it has happened.

Well there's definitely some crazy stuff happening and hell technically I was a criminal up until the SCOTUS decision on sodomy( yes that was about more than anal) so I don't know the world it's crazy sometimes.

Go on ....


Well, let's just say what these to girls did is really tame. Granted I always dated people my on age, well till I was in my twenties and started playing with 30 yr olds.
 
2013-05-24 09:15:38 PM

jayphat: dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

So instead let's throw one in jail.  If you are that hell bent on being a dick of a parent, figure it out and be a parent, you are just going to destroy your relationship with your kid.

You do realize the 18 got the 14 year old to run away, right? What are you supposed to do at that point but get the law involved?


OMG a 14 year old ran away because that has never happened in the history of teenagers.
 
2013-05-24 09:16:00 PM

Igor Jakovsky: redslippers: Igor Jakovsky: Vector R: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

That's about all they can hope for. I loved this part:
FTA: "It's a situation of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship. If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

Darn right there wouldn't. If it was an 18yo guy, he's be in jail+perm sex offender.

Yup and that right there would be enough for me to consider a conviction. Her lawyer isn't doing her any favors with that argument.

And trying to pull this with this SA and the judges in this county is self sabatoge. That's why there is no local legal counsel. This is going to be a bloodbath when it hits trial. Brian Workman is no pussy and neither Judge Wild nor Judge Morgan tolerates bullshiat.

I live one county below you. I've heard about those judges being pretty much hardasses.


That is because they are. Red counties like their judges harsh. I've seen Wild sentence a kid to 3 years for having vicodin that he was prescribed in his shirt pocket at a party and not in the bottle. Intent to distribute. I've seen Morgan do similar. They don't like it when counsel gets cute.
 
2013-05-24 09:17:12 PM

dlp211: jayphat: dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

So instead let's throw one in jail.  If you are that hell bent on being a dick of a parent, figure it out and be a parent, you are just going to destroy your relationship with your kid.

You do realize the 18 got the 14 year old to run away, right? What are you supposed to do at that point but get the law involved?

OMG a 14 year old ran away because that has never happened in the history of teenagers.


A 14 year old ran away with a legal adult and performed sex acts on one another. You don't see a problem there?
 
2013-05-24 09:18:43 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?

Don't get caught, but most importantly if you're gonna fark a 14 yr old be 14 yourself.

That's fine until a prosecutor with a bug up his ass decides to go full on against the teenagers.  Hell, it's happened to teenagers who sent "randy" pictures of themselves to friends.  Permanently ruining the life of a teenage girl by putting her on the sex offender list for life because she did something stupid as a child seems about as far from justice as you can get, yet it has happened.

Well there's definitely some crazy stuff happening and hell technically I was a criminal up until the SCOTUS decision on sodomy( yes that was about more than anal) so I don't know the world it's crazy sometimes.

Go on ....

Well, let's just say what these to girls did is really tame. Granted I always dated people my on age, well till I was in my twenties and started playing with 30 yr olds.


Don't think you can shock me.  My second (ex)wife was my ex-girlfriend's girlfriend before we met.  San Francisco.  What can I say?  :D
 
2013-05-24 09:18:57 PM

dlp211: OMG a 14 year old ran away because that has never happened in the history of teenagers.


True... guess we won't worry about it then.

Hey... where does your sister-in-law go to school? No big deal right?!?!
 
2013-05-24 09:19:22 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: That wasn't the example that I was making at all, my point is that you can be more mature, in a more responsible status and still be considered a child or you could be less emotionally and psychologically mature and be considered an adult all because of age instead of development. And to your second point, you are right, and that is stupid. Not recognizing that an 18 and 14 year old may be a part of the same peer group and thus should be covered under a R&J exception is what I take issue with.

Age and development are almost universally related in the age groups that we are talking about here. Biology is a biatch. Romeo and Juliet laws are written with that in mind. That's why if the younger girl was 16 this would not be an issue. The R&J laws are there to prevent someone who is nominally of age as being considered jailbait right from the start for people a couple of years older than they are. There has to be a lower limit and that limit is 16 years old in most places (although 17 and 18 are the limits in some other states).


No, if the younger girl was 16 this wouldn't be an issue because that is considered the age of consent in Florida.  R&J laws carve out exceptions so that those who aren't of the age of consent can still consent within their peer group eg: a 15 year old with an 18 year old.  My problem is with using 18 as an arbitrary line as opposed to a grade difference because while age is an ok predictor of development, what grade you are in is even a better measure.
 
2013-05-24 09:21:43 PM

dlp211: redslippers: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

The law is supposed to prevent it. Knowledge that you go to jail if you bang jail bait is enough to keep most people out of 14 year olds' panties.

You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.


The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?
 
2013-05-24 09:21:47 PM
All I know is that whenever someone claims that they want "equality", the last thing they actually want is "equality".
 
2013-05-24 09:22:22 PM
I swear to Christ there hasn't been an original thought on this subject since the 10th post in the last thread.
 
2013-05-24 09:22:27 PM

jayphat: dlp211: jayphat: dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

So instead let's throw one in jail.  If you are that hell bent on being a dick of a parent, figure it out and be a parent, you are just going to destroy your relationship with your kid.

You do realize the 18 got the 14 year old to run away, right? What are you supposed to do at that point but get the law involved?

OMG a 14 year old ran away because that has never happened in the history of teenagers.

A 14 year old ran away with a legal adult and performed sex acts on one another. You don't see a problem there?


No because I don't see it that way.  I see it as a freshman in HS ran away with a senior in HS and had sex.  14 year olds run away, freshman and seniors have sex, and this stuff has been going on for generations.
 
2013-05-24 09:22:43 PM
Should I be sad that there was absolutely no chance I'd have gotten into the same predicament when I was 18? I mean, one has to have sex to get in trouble. In high school, I'd have settled for a date.

/tiny violin
 
2013-05-24 09:23:44 PM

dlp211: redslippers: I'm finding it very interesting how easily it is to discern parents of teenagers from those who are not from the comments. Those without teenagers don't seem to grasp certain aspects of this at all.

Or perhaps some of us don't white wash our high school years and see everything through rose colored glasses.  I don't have any teenage daughters but I do have two daughters.  I also have a sister-in-law that I have known since she was 9, and she is 16 now who I have spent an immense amount of time around being that my wife's family is Italian.


Until you parent teenagers, or work with them daily, you can't claim to understand them.

I've whitewashed nothing, and you don't know me from Adam, but your supposition that 14 and 18 are not vastly different is stupid.

And up until last November, my older kids WENT TO THE SCHOOL THIS HAPPENED AT.

You are being belligerent. I'm not the only one who disagrees with you. Yet you are getting awfully prickly with me.

And newsflash: while sex happens, there are very few sexually active 14 year olds. Do a little research. I think you'd be surprised.
 
2013-05-24 09:23:45 PM

jayphat: dlp211: jayphat: dlp211: BarkingUnicorn: dlp211: You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.

And how shall parents prevent kids who attend the same school from seeing each other?  Restraining order that forces one girl to switch schools?

So instead let's throw one in jail.  If you are that hell bent on being a dick of a parent, figure it out and be a parent, you are just going to destroy your relationship with your kid.

You do realize the 18 got the 14 year old to run away, right? What are you supposed to do at that point but get the law involved?

OMG a 14 year old ran away because that has never happened in the history of teenagers.

A 14 year old  was encouraged by an adult to run away with a legal adult and performed sex acts on one another. You don't see a problem there?


added some detail.
 
2013-05-24 09:24:10 PM
Where are all these people who are defending this girl in the threads where it's about an older guy and a younger girl?

/probably calling for castration of the guy and/or death, I'd imagine
 
2013-05-24 09:25:40 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: dlp211: OMG a 14 year old ran away because that has never happened in the history of teenagers.

True... guess we won't worry about it then.

Hey... where does your sister-in-law go to school? No big deal right?!?!


If you were a senior in HS or a freshman in college, no big deal.  I know she's had sex, I know who's she's had sex with, and there is nothing me, her father, or her mom could do to stop it, because she is a teenage girl.  You may be able to make it very difficult, but there is no way to stop it completely.

Also considering that the age of consent is 16 in my state, there is actually no legal recourse that I could take.
 
2013-05-24 09:26:38 PM

OgreMagi: Don't think you can shock me. My second (ex)wife was my ex-girlfriend's girlfriend before we met. San Francisco. What can I say? :D


Life it's meant to be fun and lived. Same thing kinda happened to me only with a guy, what can I say : )
 
2013-05-24 09:27:11 PM

dlp211: No, if the younger girl was 16 this wouldn't be an issue because that is considered the age of consent in Florida. R&J laws carve out exceptions so that those who aren't of the age of consent can still consent within their peer group eg: a 15 year old with an 18 year old. My problem is with using 18 as an arbitrary line as opposed to a grade difference because while age is an ok predictor of development, what grade you are in is even a better measure.


No R&J laws allow for a 14 yo to have sex with a 18 yo. The exceptions are there for kids who have reached a certain age and 14 ain't it.
 
2013-05-24 09:27:28 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: That wasn't the example that I was making at all, my point is that you can be more mature, in a more responsible status and still be considered a child or you could be less emotionally and psychologically mature and be considered an adult all because of age instead of development. And to your second point, you are right, and that is stupid. Not recognizing that an 18 and 14 year old may be a part of the same peer group and thus should be covered under a R&J exception is what I take issue with.

Age and development are almost universally related in the age groups that we are talking about here. Biology is a biatch. Romeo and Juliet laws are written with that in mind. That's why if the younger girl was 16 this would not be an issue. The R&J laws are there to prevent someone who is nominally of age as being considered jailbait right from the start for people a couple of years older than they are. There has to be a lower limit and that limit is 16 years old in most places (although 17 and 18 are the limits in some other states).


In florida the r&j law is 23-16. I think 23 is pretty generous on the high end. Think about that. A person a year out of college can be consensually involved with a high school junior (maybe sophmore even).
 
2013-05-24 09:28:18 PM

Igor Jakovsky: You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.

The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?


I was talking about the school that redslippers kids go to.  So my point stands, most schools in the US are 9-12 where freshman, soph., juniors and seniors all intermingle, socialize, become friends, have relationships.....
 
2013-05-24 09:29:52 PM

dlp211: No because I don't see it that way. I see it as a freshman in HS ran away with a senior in HS and had sex. 14 year olds run away, freshman and seniors have sex, and this stuff has been going on for generations.


And the "15 will get you 20" rule of thumb has also been around for generations. The 18 year olds that you speak of often end up in jail. That's where this girl belongs.
 
2013-05-24 09:31:03 PM

dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.

The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?

I was talking about the school that redslippers kids go to.  So my point stands, most schools in the US are 9-12 where freshman, soph., juniors and seniors all intermingle, socialize, become friends, have relationships.....


Read reds newer post. Her kids went to THAT school.
 
2013-05-24 09:32:32 PM

dlp211: Igor Jakovsky: You actually believe that.  Guess what, your little K-12 school isn't the norm in the US or the world for that matter.  You better start busting all these kids having sex.

The high school this girl went to is grades 9-12. It has almost 2000 students enrolled. What are you going on about?

I was talking about the school that redslippers kids go to.  So my point stands, most schools in the US are 9-12 where freshman, soph., juniors and seniors all intermingle, socialize, become friends, have relationships.....


Yet you ignore where I stated that my kids attended Sebastian High, and that in that school, this is not normal and freshmen and seniors are not hanging out. BTW, at this school, electives are separated into ones available for freshmen/sophomores and those for juniors/seniors. So its hallways and sports, otherwise zero fraternization between freshmen and seniors.
 
2013-05-24 09:33:55 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: That wasn't the example that I was making at all, my point is that you can be more mature, in a more responsible status and still be considered a child or you could be less emotionally and psychologically mature and be considered an adult all because of age instead of development. And to your second point, you are right, and that is stupid. Not recognizing that an 18 and 14 year old may be a part of the same peer group and thus should be covered under a R&J exception is what I take issue with.

Age and development are almost universally related in the age groups that we are talking about here. Biology is a biatch. Romeo and Juliet laws are written with that in mind. That's why if the younger girl was 16 this would not be an issue. The R&J laws are there to prevent someone who is nominally of age as being considered jailbait right from the start for people a couple of years older than they are. There has to be a lower limit and that limit is 16 years old in most places (although 17 and 18 are the limits in some other states).

In florida the r&j law is 23-16. I think 23 is pretty generous on the high end. Think about that. A person a year out of college can be consensually involved with a high school junior (maybe sophmore even).


Actually that isn't a R&J law.  That is an extension to the age of consent law.  R&J laws make exceptions to the age of consent laws:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape#Romeo_and_Juliet_laws
 
2013-05-24 09:33:55 PM

Igor Jakovsky: In florida the r&j law is 23-16. I think 23 is pretty generous on the high end. Think about that. A person a year out of college can be consensually involved with a high school junior (maybe sophmore even).


The laws are there to protect the younger person from being predated upon. The law assumes that by age 16 the person is able to make that decision. 16 is not 14. This is where you're missing the mark and several people (not just myself) have pointed this out to you. You are starting to sound like a kiddie diddler yourself.
 
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