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2013-05-24 08:24:00 PM
I wish Fark had a "prevent dumbass" feature that would allow us to ask the mods to insert clarifications at the top of the thread, so that morons would see it BEFORE posting stupid crap that has been corrected 5,412 times.
 
2013-05-24 08:24:14 PM

Surool: I don't see any hang wringing over the males convicted of this exact same thing. Must be anti-male bigots.


You're right. Because were it an 18 year old male, and a 14 year old girl, we'd be saying the exact same thing: 14 will get you 25.
 
2013-05-24 08:24:14 PM

TheWhoppah: Maybe she rejected the offer because she WANTS to go to prison?


No, she rejected the plea deal because she thinks she can leverage gay rights and feminists groups to come to her defense.  The problem is that in the eyes of the law she's a child molester/statutory rapist and those groups probably aren't going to want to touch her with a 10 foot pole.

Personally, I don't think what she did was wrong because they were both students in high school.  The situation would be different if she was 18 and out of school...

On the other hand, had she been male there's no doubt in my mind that most people wouldn't think twice about throwing her in jail to rot.  Based on that fact alone I think she needs to be punished in some way.
 
2013-05-24 08:24:21 PM
After seeing the correct info, I retract what I said. Admittedly all I'd seen on it were the stories when it first hit that were being spun by Hunt's parents.

redslippers: They were not "part of the same peer group". How much time have you spent around teenagers lately? How much time immersed in a high school? It is scandalous for a senior to date a freshman.


How long ago did you graduate from high school? I graduated 12 years ago, and this happened all the time. Hell, 2 of my friends, as seniors, dated freshmen and even took them to prom. Of course, we were all 17 at the time (the girls, 14).
 
2013-05-24 08:24:42 PM

hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.


That's about all they can hope for. I loved this part:
FTA: "It's a situation of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship. If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

Darn right there wouldn't. If it was an 18yo guy, he's be in jail+perm sex offender.
 
2013-05-24 08:27:04 PM
Now, if this was an 18 year old boy and a 14 year old girl, people would be up in arms.

Gays want the same rights as everyone else including to marry. You have to abide by the same laws and be prosecuted under those same laws as anybody else. This makes her a child molester, and to be put on the sex offender registry period. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you can hide behind it like a shield too. Suck it up and go to jail pervert.
 
2013-05-24 08:27:15 PM
Puberty is the age limit nature sets.
They were just ding what comes natural.
What's the big deal?
 
2013-05-24 08:27:28 PM

hardinparamedic: Seriously. Sexual behavior, other than masturbation, in someone 10 to 13 years old is typically a pretty big indicator that kid has had something pretty bad happen to them.


Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.
 
2013-05-24 08:28:27 PM

dlp211: But a 14 year old freshman, and an 18 year old senior are. The 14 and 18 year old read the same magazines, watch the same shows, eat at the same places, and hang out with the same people outside of school. And I could go cherry pick a definition for peer group too.


Not trying to gang up here...

Just wanted to say that I'm enjoying watching you scrambling around to defend the very stupid thing you said... and now hafta keep saying.

Other than arriving at the same campus each morning... and possibly going to the same football games... Seniors and Freshman have nothing in common and are NOT in the same peer group.

So... in a K-12 school... which ones are "peers"?
 
2013-05-24 08:28:41 PM

Master P but not that one: meh

I submitted this with a better headline

Women finally win the fight for equal rights.


No.  No you did not.
 
2013-05-24 08:29:34 PM
Anyone who's seen Dazed and Confused tell me this innuendo wasn't HAWT.

www.dvdizzy.com
 
2013-05-24 08:29:57 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?


Don't get caught, but most importantly if you're gonna fark a 14 yr old be 14 yourself.
 
2013-05-24 08:31:02 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: mithras_angel: Because it started as a relationship between a 17 year old and a 14 year old.

Then the older girl turned 18, and the 14 year old's parents waited several months, and ~then~ filed reports with police.

Another sucker for Hunt's moms spin on it. Hint, read the thread and the link to the affidavit.

The affidavit is pretty damning.


If it's actually accurate.

I've run into quite a few affidavits that weren't.  (Including one where, when it was challenged in front of a judge, caused the judge to ask the officer, "Have you learned to tell the difference between March and May yet?  How about left and right?")


The affidavit has at least one conflict in it.  It first states they started a sexual relationship "before Christmas of 2012", and then later states they started a relationship "after Christmas of 2012".  Right now, it's worth taking with a grain of salt, at least.
 
2013-05-24 08:31:13 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?


They get caught?  They get grounded, they learn a lesson, and the world keeps on turning.  We shouldn't try destroying someones life, and being put on the sex offenders list will destroy this girls life, never mind if the judge throws the book at her.  This wasn't a 30 year old, this was someone that went to the same school, hung out with the same people, ate at the same places, reads the same magazines, listens to the same music, and watches the same TV shows.  The problem here is that we are focused on age.  People tend to mature together, this makes her no different then a 17 year old senior.  Of course this is illegal in Florida as well, but again, stupid law.
 
2013-05-24 08:32:57 PM
hardinparamedic:  I also think that it's wrong that a heterosexual couple involved in this could get married and eliminate the issue, and a homosexual couple could not.

Could they, though?  The other girl is only 15.
 
2013-05-24 08:33:51 PM
Pray 4 Mojo: dlp211: 

Other than arriving at the same campus each morning... and possibly going to the same football games... Seniors and Freshman have nothing in common and are NOT in the same peer group.


Not true.

I was in high school in the early/mid-90s and I remember socializing with Freshman all the time was a senior. I think I probably even dated one, even though I was 17 at the time.  Everyone is in the same "peer group" in high school and socializing with Freshman as a Senior isn't all that uncommon.  You are in band together, belong to the same clubs, and sometimes even play on the same sports teams.
 
2013-05-24 08:35:02 PM

Puckmarin: Personally, I don't think what she did was wrong because they were both students in high school. The situation would be different if she was 18 and out of school...

On the other hand, had she been male there's no doubt in my mind that most people wouldn't think twice about throwing her in jail to rot. Based on that fact alone I think she needs to be punished in some way.


I really agree with what you said there.
/Now then ,maybe it is time to rethink the rules but well they are what they are in this case.
 
2013-05-24 08:35:12 PM

mithras_angel: The affidavit has at least one conflict in it. It first states they started a sexual relationship "before Christmas of 2012", and then later states they started a relationship "after Christmas of 2012". Right now, it's worth taking with a grain of salt, at least.


The affidavit says what each party claimed... it's not stating the facts of the relationship.
 
2013-05-24 08:36:08 PM

swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.


And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.
 
2013-05-24 08:36:32 PM

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: Who said they were screwing?
That would be my defense.  Hey, we are friends.  We hold hands.  I can hold hands with a 14 year old if I want to.
Kids are brainless these days.


Who said they were screwing? Well, the accused did for one. You are right about one thing. Kids are brainless these days.
 
2013-05-24 08:36:59 PM

mithras_angel: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: mithras_angel: Because it started as a relationship between a 17 year old and a 14 year old.

Then the older girl turned 18, and the 14 year old's parents waited several months, and ~then~ filed reports with police.

Another sucker for Hunt's moms spin on it. Hint, read the thread and the link to the affidavit.

The affidavit is pretty damning.

If it's actually accurate.

I've run into quite a few affidavits that weren't.  (Including one where, when it was challenged in front of a judge, caused the judge to ask the officer, "Have you learned to tell the difference between March and May yet?  How about left and right?")


The affidavit has at least one conflict in it.  It first states they started a sexual relationship "before Christmas of 2012", and then later states they started a relationship "after Christmas of 2012".  Right now, it's worth taking with a grain of salt, at least.


I agree it's just the cops story and well we here about those all the time on Fark so...
 
2013-05-24 08:37:56 PM

redslippers: I wish Fark had a "prevent dumbass" feature that would allow us to ask the mods to insert clarifications at the top of the thread, so that morons would see it BEFORE posting stupid crap that has been corrected 5,412 times.


Why don't -you- look at the top of the gotdamn thread! We haven't even breached 1000 comments.


/ :)
 
2013-05-24 08:38:32 PM
Why did she admit anything to the police? If the phone was recorded she should have remained silent until she had a lawyer.
Also, why is an 18 year old just entering freshman year?
 
2013-05-24 08:39:06 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: Who said they were screwing?
That would be my defense.  Hey, we are friends.  We hold hands.  I can hold hands with a 14 year old if I want to.
Kids are brainless these days.

Who said they were screwing? Well, the accused did for one. You are right about one thing. Kids are brainless these days.


Kids have been "brainless these days" since parents lived long enough to see there kids make it to their teenage years.
 
rka
2013-05-24 08:39:18 PM

redslippers: They were not "part of the same peer group". How much time have you spent around teenagers lately?


I went to a school where the entire 9-12 enrollment is normally less than 250. Everyone was in the same peer group. Hell, if you were an exceptionally athletic 7th or 8th grader you were on varsity sports teams and you were even part of the peer group. If you were from one of the surrounding schools with even less enrollment you were in our peer group. Hell, even some of the former students that stayed in town to go to the small 2 year college were still in our peer group.

Small town fun.

/dated a freshman as a senior, but I wasn't 18.
 
2013-05-24 08:39:55 PM

hardinparamedic: swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.

And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.


I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.
 
2013-05-24 08:41:02 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hardinparamedic: swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.

And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.

I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.


Go on...
 
2013-05-24 08:41:20 PM

dlp211: They get caught? They get grounded, they learn a lesson, and the world keeps on turning. We shouldn't try destroying someones life, and being put on the sex offenders list will destroy this girls life, never mind if the judge throws the book at her. This wasn't a 30 year old, this was someone that went to the same school, hung out with the same people, ate at the same places, reads the same magazines, listens to the same music, and watches the same TV shows. The problem here is that we are focused on age. People tend to mature together, this makes her no different then a 17 year old senior. Of course this is illegal in Florida as well, but again, stupid law.


For adults the legal definition of "Getting grounded" is jail. You do know this right? The boundaries are set at what they are for a reason, you obviously disagree with those reasons but that has nothing to do with what Hunt did.

Mock26: Could they, though? The other girl is only 15.


14, not 16. Read the thread from the start.
 
2013-05-24 08:41:23 PM

AbbeySomeone: Why did she admit anything to the police? If the phone was recorded she should have remained silent until she had a lawyer.
Also, why is an 18 year old just entering freshman year?


It happens sometimes.  I turned 18 October of my senior year, there were people older then me.  there was even a 19 year old.  Laws with regard to at what age a child starts kindergarten differ and can sometimes cause a delay or force a child to be left back.
 
2013-05-24 08:43:03 PM

ObeliskToucher: tinfoil-hat maggie: hardinparamedic: swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.

And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.

I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.

Go on...


No you'll touch your obelisk or something : )
 
2013-05-24 08:43:29 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.


Go on...
 
2013-05-24 08:44:27 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hardinparamedic: swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.

And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.

I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.


If both are the same age or close to it, its not that big of a deal as neither party is at a significant advantage.
 
2013-05-24 08:44:31 PM

Mock26: hardinparamedic:  I also think that it's wrong that a heterosexual couple involved in this could get married and eliminate the issue, and a homosexual couple could not.

Could they, though?  The other girl is only 15.


Florida just needs to legalize gay marriage.

The lives of both of these girls have been ruined by what should have been a private matter. The younger one will be harrassed by her peers and bullied on the likes of FB, Ms. Hunt will be destroyed by predatorial dykes in the slammer. FAIL all around.
 
2013-05-24 08:45:26 PM

dlp211: They get caught?  They get grounded, they learn a lesson, and the world keeps on turning.  We shouldn't try destroying someones life, and being put on the sex offenders list will destroy this girls life, never mind if the judge throws the book at her.  This wasn't a 30 year old, this was someone that went to the same school, hung out with the same people, ate at the same places, reads the same magazines, listens to the same music, and watches the same TV shows.  The problem here is that we are focused on age.  People tend to mature together, this makes her no different then a 17 year old senior.  Of course this is illegal in Florida as well, but again, stupid law.


Hey, if illegal same sex relationships (which this was) opens the door for dialogue on how we should not be putting teenagers on the sex offender registry for life for diddling someone a few years younger than them, then so be it.  Why the kid's parents didn't give her the "14 will give you 25-30" talk (assuming they knew about the relationship at some point ) is beyond me.  I would have hoped that counsel would have informed her of the possible consequences if this case goes to trial.  That being said, being an idiot (or in this case gay) does not give you a "get out of jail free" card.  I have been happily been following the slow reversal of public opinion concerning same sex marriage, and openess to the idea that same sex have rights too.  I also will happily watch the justice system step on this particular teenager if she continues to take the path she is striding down.
 
2013-05-24 08:45:54 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: ObeliskToucher: tinfoil-hat maggie: hardinparamedic: swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.

And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.

I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.

Go on...

No you'll touch your obelisk or something : )


Go on...
 
2013-05-24 08:47:05 PM

Radioactive Ass: dlp211: They get caught? They get grounded, they learn a lesson, and the world keeps on turning. We shouldn't try destroying someones life, and being put on the sex offenders list will destroy this girls life, never mind if the judge throws the book at her. This wasn't a 30 year old, this was someone that went to the same school, hung out with the same people, ate at the same places, reads the same magazines, listens to the same music, and watches the same TV shows. The problem here is that we are focused on age. People tend to mature together, this makes her no different then a 17 year old senior. Of course this is illegal in Florida as well, but again, stupid law.

For adults the legal definition of "Getting grounded" is jail. You do know this right? The boundaries are set at what they are for a reason, you obviously disagree with those reasons but that has nothing to do with what Hunt did.


And if you would have read all my posts you would realize that I never questioned the current legality, but claimed that it should be changed and that parents should take charge here.  You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school.  An 18 year old just starting their senior year of high school is not even the same as a 17 starting college yet we treat the former as an adult and the latter as a child.
 
2013-05-24 08:47:06 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?

Don't get caught, but most importantly if you're gonna fark a 14 yr old be 14 yourself.


That's fine until a prosecutor with a bug up his ass decides to go full on against the teenagers.  Hell, it's happened to teenagers who sent "randy" pictures of themselves to friends.  Permanently ruining the life of a teenage girl by putting her on the sex offender list for life because she did something stupid as a child seems about as far from justice as you can get, yet it has happened.
 
2013-05-24 08:48:15 PM

Vector R: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

That's about all they can hope for. I loved this part:
FTA: "It's a situation of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship. If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

Darn right there wouldn't. If it was an 18yo guy, he's be in jail+perm sex offender.


Yup and that right there would be enough for me to consider a conviction. Her lawyer isn't doing her any favors with that argument.
 
2013-05-24 08:49:59 PM
While we're on the subject... does anybody know the statute of limitations for sexual assault of a minor in the State of Texas?

Just curious...
 
2013-05-24 08:50:00 PM

redslippers: tinfoil-hat maggie: hardinparamedic: swaxhog: Yeah, they got on the Internet. Kids aren't sneaking pics from dad's Playboy anymore and confused at what they are looking at. They are flooded with hardcore sex in every combination and kink possible. A 13 year old these days has seen debauchery in all it's splendor.

And most 13 year olds play with sally palms, or experiment with a friend. When I was 13, I downloaded porn off of DALNet, but I did not go out and try to stick it into another 13 year old. They don't go out and ride the pony with other pre-teens, and especially don't go out and seek out sexual partners.

And yes, I'm serious. Overt, sexualized behavior in that age group is a major symptom of sexual abuse and /or mental illness in modern western societies.

I was never sexually abused and first had sex with another girl at 14. It happens, just saying.

If both are the same age or close to it, its not that big of a deal as neither party is at a significant advantage.


True, and well as far as I know we were but granted I don't think I ever asked to be sure, we were in the same grade though.
 
2013-05-24 08:51:03 PM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: Is Kaitlyn Hunt's father named Mike?


I know you're joking, but seriously her uncle is Gene Masseth.
 
2013-05-24 08:51:50 PM

Xavier99: dlp211: They get caught?  They get grounded, they learn a lesson, and the world keeps on turning.  We shouldn't try destroying someones life, and being put on the sex offenders list will destroy this girls life, never mind if the judge throws the book at her.  This wasn't a 30 year old, this was someone that went to the same school, hung out with the same people, ate at the same places, reads the same magazines, listens to the same music, and watches the same TV shows.  The problem here is that we are focused on age.  People tend to mature together, this makes her no different then a 17 year old senior.  Of course this is illegal in Florida as well, but again, stupid law.

Hey, if illegal same sex relationships (which this was) opens the door for dialogue on how we should not be putting teenagers on the sex offender registry for life for diddling someone a few years younger than them, then so be it.  Why the kid's parents didn't give her the "14 will give you 25-30" talk (assuming they knew about the relationship at some point ) is beyond me.  I would have hoped that counsel would have informed her of the possible consequences if this case goes to trial.  That being said, being an idiot (or in this case gay) does not give you a "get out of jail free" card.  I have been happily been following the slow reversal of public opinion concerning same sex marriage, and openess to the idea that same sex have rights too.  I also will happily watch the justice system step on this particular teenager if she continues to take the path she is striding down.


I never claimed her being gay has anything to do about why this is stupid.  I specifically pointed out this is stupid whether it is a older guy and girl, or an older girl and a guy, or an older guy and a guy, or an older girl and a girl.
 
2013-05-24 08:52:49 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Vector R: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

That's about all they can hope for. I loved this part:
FTA: "It's a situation of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship. If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

Darn right there wouldn't. If it was an 18yo guy, he's be in jail+perm sex offender.

Yup and that right there would be enough for me to consider a conviction. Her lawyer isn't doing her any favors with that argument.


Especially considering the Hunt's brought on the media attention intentionally. Serious chutzpah, but it's probably going to end up with Kaitlyn in prison for quite some time.
 
2013-05-24 08:53:52 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Vector R: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

That's about all they can hope for. I loved this part:
FTA: "It's a situation of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship. If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case.

Darn right there wouldn't. If it was an 18yo guy, he's be in jail+perm sex offender.

Yup and that right there would be enough for me to consider a conviction. Her lawyer isn't doing her any favors with that argument.


And trying to pull this with this SA and the judges in this county is self sabatoge. That's why there is no local legal counsel. This is going to be a bloodbath when it hits trial. Brian Workman is no pussy and neither Judge Wild nor Judge Morgan tolerates bullshiat.
 
2013-05-24 08:54:17 PM

dlp211: And if you would have read all my posts you would realize that I never questioned the current legality, but claimed that it should be changed and that parents should take charge here. You want to prevent your daughter from seeing the other girl fine, but don't go ruining peoples lives because they happened to go to the same school. An 18 year old just starting their senior year of high school is not even the same as a 17 starting college yet we treat the former as an adult and the latter as a child.


And using your example of a 17 and 18 yo the relationship that we are discussing would be legal between them. Nowhere in the US is a sexual relationship between a 14 and 18 yo legally acceptable (Indian reservations may be an exception due to their unique situations, however I doubt it).
 
2013-05-24 08:54:29 PM

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: Radioactive Ass: dlp211: And yet 14 year olds do things that there parents wouldn't consent to and make stupid decisions all the time and the world keeps turning. And guess what, this has been going on forever.

And what happens when they get caught?

Don't get caught, but most importantly if you're gonna fark a 14 yr old be 14 yourself.

That's fine until a prosecutor with a bug up his ass decides to go full on against the teenagers.  Hell, it's happened to teenagers who sent "randy" pictures of themselves to friends.  Permanently ruining the life of a teenage girl by putting her on the sex offender list for life because she did something stupid as a child seems about as far from justice as you can get, yet it has happened.


Well there's definitely some crazy stuff happening and hell technically I was a criminal up until the SCOTUS decision on sodomy( yes that was about more than anal) so I don't know the world it's crazy sometimes.
 
2013-05-24 08:54:56 PM
AbbeySomeone:

Also, why is an 18 year old just entering freshman year?

I think you meant senior year.  But it is a good question.  Seems like she is older than most seniors.
 
2013-05-24 08:56:24 PM

Puckmarin: On the other hand, had she been male there's no doubt in my mind that most people wouldn't think twice about throwing her in jail to rot.  Based on that fact alone I think she needs to be punished in some way.


The biggest threat people perceive in boy-girl relationships is the possibility of pregnancy.  Maybe lesbian relationships with the young should be viewed as a lesser crime.  Child neglect laws distinguish between negligence that puts children at greater and lesser risks.

But yeah, after reading that affidavit and the law, I'd say Kaitlyn's going down (in a new way).  If she maintains her denial that she did anything culpable, her sentence will be harsher.
 
2013-05-24 08:59:38 PM

AbbeySomeone: Mock26: hardinparamedic:  I also think that it's wrong that a heterosexual couple involved in this could get married and eliminate the issue, and a homosexual couple could not.

Could they, though?  The other girl is only 15.

Florida just needs to legalize gay marriage.

The lives of both of these girls have been ruined by what should have been a private matter. The younger one will be harrassed by her peers and bullied on the likes of FB, Ms. Hunt will be destroyed by predatorial dykes in the slammer. FAIL all around.


The other girl is 14. Even in states where marriage by teens is legal, 14 year olds are to young to marry without parental consent. Good lord this has nothing to do with farking gay marriage (which I support). This has everything to do with an 18 yo. Finger banging a 14 yo in a school bathroom and later getting her to run away to have sex.

How about this...if you are 18 dont fark around with 14 year olds.
 
2013-05-24 08:59:40 PM

Farxist: AbbeySomeone:

Also, why is an 18 year old just entering freshman year?

I think you meant senior year.  But it is a good question.  Seems like she is older than most seniors.


Seems about right to me. My best friend was 18 a few days after we started school our senior year. Mine wasn't until March. The first girl I slept with(and graduated with mind you) wasn't 18 until August of the same year as me. So there is a good mix out there. And this was the 90's.
 
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