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2013-05-24 07:20:32 PM

Jument: On the other hand, how would you earn money?


Yeah, I have absolutely no idea how one would earn money. With a home computer. And a camera. And, uh, BRB.
 
2013-05-24 07:20:55 PM
www.wusa9.com

Words to groom by.
 
2013-05-24 07:21:21 PM

redslippers: The law doesn't need to be changed, as there is a major difference in development from 14 to 18. An 18 year old is light years ahead of a 14 year old. I know, I have a 14 year old, and raised my sister from age 12 to 19. If this was my daughter, I'd prosecute as well. It is just not excusable.


I don't necessarily think that is true.  My first two years of high school were spent at a high school with a total of ~500 students.  So everyone intermixed and it was one big peer group, not a big deal if you dated outside of your grade.  Then my parents moved to district were I had 663 kids in my graduating class.  There it was considered unaccepted to date more than one grade above or below your class, since the freshmen were these aliens who were housed in an entirely different wing.  At lot of the differences really are going to be based on the environment you're raising the kids in.
 
2013-05-24 07:22:32 PM
BTW, in every pic of this chick on the Googles,  she has those same guilty eyes.
 
2013-05-24 07:22:37 PM
I would also like to add that things may have changed but it was kind of socially frowned upon for seniors to date freshmen. Worlds of difference between the two normally.
 
2013-05-24 07:23:37 PM

hardinparamedic: alienated: What whould we do to a 13 yr old and a 14 yr old ? Do you think that there would have been any charges ? If both parties are minors, exactly what is the crime ?

We'd look at the parents of the 13 year old and wonder what they've done/allowed to be done to the kid to make them act out sexually.

Seriously. Sexual behavior, other than masturbation, in someone 10 to 13 years old is typically a pretty big indicator that kid has had something pretty bad happen to them.


Wtf? I dont know about that one. I was 11 when I got my first bj. Due to a game of truth or dare.
had my first girlfriend. If you can call it that from 9 till 11.
we werent really sexual aside from make out sessions.

Yep about the age of 11 was when the first group of kids I saw started being sexual with eachother. It was a smallish town.
moved to toronto. And suddenly everyone is back at the ew gross cooties stage.

anyways nothing terrible ever happend to me. most of the guys came from single mothers.
I think your theory is flawed
 
2013-05-24 07:23:37 PM

ha-ha-guy: redslippers: The law doesn't need to be changed, as there is a major difference in development from 14 to 18. An 18 year old is light years ahead of a 14 year old. I know, I have a 14 year old, and raised my sister from age 12 to 19. If this was my daughter, I'd prosecute as well. It is just not excusable.

I don't necessarily think that is true.  My first two years of high school were spent at a high school with a total of ~500 students.  So everyone intermixed and it was one big peer group, not a big deal if you dated outside of your grade.  Then my parents moved to district were I had 663 kids in my graduating class.  There it was considered unaccepted to date more than one grade above or below your class, since the freshmen were these aliens who were housed in an entirely different wing.  At lot of the differences really are going to be based on the environment you're raising the kids in.


It's true just as often as it isn't, and the idea here is to protect the vulnerable. I think it better to safeguard a few who may not need it than to leave exposed those who do.
 
2013-05-24 07:25:07 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Wtf? I dont know about that one. I was 11 when I got my first bj. Due to a game of truth or dare.


Did it taste as bad as you thought it would?

/I kid
//but you should recognize that you are an outlier.
 
2013-05-24 07:25:09 PM
My son's senior year of high school was to be no fun for him.  two days before school started, he turned 18.  Took him aside and pointed at all his female friends and reminded him, "Them thar are forbidden fruit.  Piss the wrong parent off or something similar, your life is over. Happy Birthday."

He started dating a college girlie and came home and said "college girls, do you even remember what they can do?"  (with the biggest shiat eat'n grin)

/I nearly shed a tear over being so proud....then i started crying cause I couldn't remember.....
 
2013-05-24 07:26:30 PM

toetag: /I nearly shed a tear over being so proud....then i started crying cause I couldn't remember.....


I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
 
2013-05-24 07:27:14 PM

RenownedCurator: TyrantII: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

14-17 legal then vs 15-18 not now.  What a difference a year makes (in the eyes of the law)

Word is the parent of the "victim" waited to file charges as soon as the accused was 18.

"Word" is wrong. If you read the affidavit, the girls weren't even involved when the accused turned 18. She was 18 1/2 when arrested.


Looks like I have to retract my earlier statement about the parents purposely wating for her to turn 18.  Damn it.  This means I have to admit I was wrong ... ON FARK.  That's not right.
 
2013-05-24 07:32:26 PM

OgreMagi: RenownedCurator: TyrantII: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

14-17 legal then vs 15-18 not now.  What a difference a year makes (in the eyes of the law)

Word is the parent of the "victim" waited to file charges as soon as the accused was 18.

"Word" is wrong. If you read the affidavit, the girls weren't even involved when the accused turned 18. She was 18 1/2 when arrested.

Looks like I have to retract my earlier statement about the parents purposely wating for her to turn 18.  Damn it.  This means I have to admit I was wrong ... ON FARK.  That's not right.


Truthfully, I can't figure out whats going on in this case, every single article I've read on it says something different.
 
2013-05-24 07:32:32 PM
Ah, fark TFA.  Kaitlyn is not charged with "child abuse" as it says.  She's charged with two counts of "lewd or lascivious molestation" against a child age 12 to 16.  They've got her.

LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS MOLESTATION.-

(a)A person who intentionally touches in a lewd or lascivious manner the breasts, genitals, genital area, or buttocks, or the clothing covering them, of a person less than 16 years of age, or forces or entices a person under 16 years of age to so touch the perpetrator, commits lewd or lascivious molestation.....

2.An offender 18 years of age or older who commits lewd or lascivious molestation against a victim 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of age  commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
 
2013-05-24 07:33:40 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: OgreMagi: RenownedCurator: TyrantII: hardinparamedic: lotus: An 18 year old and a 14 year old. I don't understand what the discussion is about. Seems like that was a pretty sweet plea deal.

Apparently the parents of the 18 year old are trying to turn this into a case of judicial revenge because the 14 year old was involved with someone of the same sex, rather than the fact it was someone of age with someone very much not of age of consent.

The hope  is that by going for the bigotry/discrimination angle, they can get public and popular opinion to either pressure the DA into dropping the charges, or influence the jury not to convict.

14-17 legal then vs 15-18 not now.  What a difference a year makes (in the eyes of the law)

Word is the parent of the "victim" waited to file charges as soon as the accused was 18.

"Word" is wrong. If you read the affidavit, the girls weren't even involved when the accused turned 18. She was 18 1/2 when arrested.

Looks like I have to retract my earlier statement about the parents purposely wating for her to turn 18.  Damn it.  This means I have to admit I was wrong ... ON FARK.  That's not right.

Truthfully, I can't figure out whats going on in this case, every single article I've read on it says something different.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted

Does that help?
 
2013-05-24 07:33:44 PM
The child in me can't stop laughing at her name.  The last place my husband worked at, there was a guy there named Todd Watkins.  His company-created email address turned out to be twatkin­s[nospam-﹫-backwards]em­a­n­y­n­apm­oc*com (which also made me giggle).  This woman's name would be khunt.

/ok, I think maybe it's just the meds?
//or I just have a ten year old's sense of humor..
 
2013-05-24 07:34:22 PM
I don't see any hang wringing over the males convicted of this exact same thing. Must be anti-male bigots.
 
2013-05-24 07:34:32 PM
To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.
 
2013-05-24 07:34:41 PM
Case is confusing like a blind lesbian in a tuna factory.

"...If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case. "  Yah, and there's that.
 
2013-05-24 07:36:30 PM

Amusement: Case is confusing like a blind lesbian in a tuna factory.

"...If this case involved a boy and a girl, we don't believe there'd be the media attention to this case. "  Yah, and there's that.


It's true.  There would be no media attention because it would be a simple case hardly worth reporting about.  Just another idiot guy going to jail for a very long time.
 
2013-05-24 07:37:27 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: [i.imgur.com image 850x733]


The Facebook activity of that TV station is comedy gold. "Man accidentally shoots himself while bowling". Seriously, who does that?
 
2013-05-24 07:37:50 PM
This is stupid, and so are the laws around HS/teenage/young adult relationships.  Girl shouldn't be charged with anything.  If this was a guy he shouldn't be charged with anything.  Seniors date freshman all the time and guess what, teenagers have sex.
 
2013-05-24 07:38:50 PM

bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.


Exactly. Perfectly stated.
 
2013-05-24 07:40:53 PM

bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.


(1) There is no such thing as a rule-less game.
(2) All rules are inherently arbitrary.
 
2013-05-24 07:41:02 PM
I like how they refer to the 'criminal' as 18 yrs old but refer to the 'victim' as 14 yrs old....when in fact the 'criminal' was 17 yrs old when it started (which is okay by law; with a 14 yr old) and the 'victim' is currently 15 yrs old. So it's a 18 yr old and a 15 yr old, 3 year difference. Hope she 'wins'.
 
2013-05-24 07:41:41 PM

worlddan: (1) There is no such thing as a rule-less game


Calvin-ball.
 
2013-05-24 07:41:52 PM

hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.


This would allow the parents of the other girl to file in civil against her and her parents.  Safer for her family for her to fight and lose then put it on appeal.  She is STILL a minor in Florida at this time.  The law is very arbitrary and not actually constitutional because the state has chosen to break it in the past.

She will not win, but her family will be safe.
 
2013-05-24 07:41:56 PM

ferretman: I like how they refer to the 'criminal' as 18 yrs old but refer to the 'victim' as 14 yrs old....when in fact the 'criminal' was 17 yrs old when it started (which is okay by law; with a 14 yr old) and the 'victim' is currently 15 yrs old. So it's a 18 yr old and a 15 yr old, 3 year difference. Hope she 'wins'.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted

You should really read.
 
2013-05-24 07:42:01 PM

IamAwake: Ahem...

794.05Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-

(1)A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.So...as long as they simply say they're not eating each other out, it's...perfectly legal.  They can tussle around in bed, make out, do everything...so long as they don't do any carpet munching (or, so long as they say they aren't doing any...).  That seems like a pretty easy way to win this, really...as lesbians, they are actually at a bit of an advantage in the situation.  Simply going on dates, kissing, making out, that sort of thing?  Not illegal.


Which one is 24 or older? The 18 year old or the 14 year old?
 
2013-05-24 07:42:31 PM

runescorpio: hardinparamedic: FTFA:  By accepting the plea deal, Hunt would have been placed on house arrest for two years.

House arrest for two years, no felony conviction, and no requirement to register as a sex offender? I understand the want to fight for a statement, but I have to say that in that position, I might just take the deal.

Thats still 2 years of her life for being in a relationship that started out as legal. Letter of the law people are the reason western society is crumbling around the edges. There is no leeway for circumstance. No mercy for petty issues.
Making someones way of life illegal simply because they had a birthday and the law says that makes them an adult to me screams ignorance and for the most part indicates a broken legal system.


It does not look like it was ever a legal relationship in Florida

It started as a third degree felony, and became second degree if it continued after the older girl's 18th birthday.  Which is as silly as you point out above.

Also, if these kids would stop documenting all of the personal details of their lives, the younger girl's parents would not be able to pursue prosecution without her cooperation.

/totally guessing that text messages and FB posts are being used for evidence.
//Get of my lawn!
 
2013-05-24 07:42:57 PM

Master P but not that one: meh

I submitted this with a better headline

Women finally win the fight for equal rights.


No, that is above the 3rd grade level of reading comprehension. Bad headline.
 
2013-05-24 07:43:06 PM

redslippers: bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.

Exactly. Perfectly stated.


NO 14 YEAR OLDS HAD SEX WITH 18 YEAR OLDS.  Younger turned 15 before older turned 18.
Some important things to remember seem to have slipped your ability to read facts.
 
2013-05-24 07:43:16 PM
I wonder how Hunts mother would be reacting if her little Katlin was the 14 year old and an 18 year old student (regardless of gender) started feeling her daughter up and penetrating her with her finger in a high school bathroom then enticed her daughter to run away with the 18 yo for a night of sex. She of course would be perfectly fine with this right? RIGHT?

\why are you guys laughing at me like that?
 
2013-05-24 07:43:58 PM

dlp211: This is stupid, and so are the laws around HS/teenage/young adult relationships.  Girl shouldn't be charged with anything.  If this was a guy he shouldn't be charged with anything.  Seniors date freshman all the time and guess what, teenagers have sex.


Seniors do not date freshman "all the time". And yes, there should be laws on the books to prevent older, more mature kids from having sexual encounters with kids who are not old enough to drive a car, let alone determine whether or not they are ready to have sex.

When is the last time you had a conversation with a fourteen year old girl? My daughter is very mature for her age. She gets good grades, talks to me about things going on socially, boys, even told me openly that she is a little confused about her sexuality and thinks she may be a lesbian. She is incredibly smart, and for her age, very well reasoned. But she isn't old enough to decide whether or not to have sex. And an older person, boy or girl, who is a legal adult, should have no interest in a fourteen year old. The vast majority of these situations are predatory. There is a grossly uneven power dynamic between the parties and the younger is at a significant disadvantage. The law recognizes this, and the law is there because society recognizes this.
 
2013-05-24 07:44:06 PM
If this was a male senior buggering some freshman kid in the back of the band bus... would we be having a different conversation?
 
2013-05-24 07:44:12 PM

redslippers: bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.

Exactly. Perfectly stated.


I don't know. The problem with the law is that there's no grey area, but in the real world there is. There are age gaps where it starts to get kinda creepy and maybe sorta inappropriate, but to the law, you are either guilty as sin or pure as the driven snow. Over 20 with a 14 year old and I'd say lock her up, and I'd dare anyone to try to make it about homophobia. But at the same time, if this was 17/14 I don't think anyone would care. The power balance in their relationship didn't suddenly, dramatically shift on the day this girl turned 18.
 
2013-05-24 07:44:15 PM

OgreMagi: worlddan: (1) There is no such thing as a rule-less game

Calvin-ball.


???

http://calvinandhobbes.wikia.com/wiki/Calvinball
 
2013-05-24 07:44:18 PM

Empty H: Double standards aside and all, 2 years house arrest is a very sweet deal to say no to. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.


she will get a good bit of money from the gay community to fight it.  Ching.

I have never much been into kiddy diddling... but what happens if a 15 year old is banging the 17 year old.. and the 17 year old has a birthday....do they get credit for banging the person previously, when they were legal?

in my state, if you are 2 or fewer years apart.. it does not matter how old you are.
 
2013-05-24 07:44:50 PM

ferretman: I like how they refer to the 'criminal' as 18 yrs old but refer to the 'victim' as 14 yrs old....when in fact the 'criminal' was 17 yrs old when it started (which is okay by law; with a 14 yr old) and the 'victim' is currently 15 yrs old. So it's a 18 yr old and a 15 yr old, 3 year difference. Hope she 'wins'.


I can see that someone is still falling for the original "Spin" put out by Hunts mother...
 
2013-05-24 07:46:27 PM

prjindigo: redslippers: bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.

Exactly. Perfectly stated.

NO 14 YEAR OLDS HAD SEX WITH 18 YEAR OLDS.  Younger turned 15 before older turned 18.
Some important things to remember seem to have slipped your ability to read facts.


Funny, because you are incorrect. Like, grossly incorrect. Please read the thread. Read the arrest affidavit. But for G-d's sake, READ before you go acting as if others are dumbasses when you are the one being a dumbass.
 
2013-05-24 07:47:13 PM
K. Hunt will not take the plea deal?
 
2013-05-24 07:47:18 PM

prjindigo: NO 14 YEAR OLDS HAD SEX WITH 18 YEAR OLDS.  Younger turned 15 before older turned 18.


Read this

http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted

you f*cking idiot.
 
2013-05-24 07:47:32 PM
There are like 5 different replies to this repeated 50 times. Does anyone read a thread before replying? Damn. Hot Penthouse letter that wouldn't be illegal if one of them lied and signed a consent form. End of story.
 
2013-05-24 07:47:37 PM

prjindigo: redslippers: bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.

Exactly. Perfectly stated.

NO 14 YEAR OLDS HAD SEX WITH 18 YEAR OLDS.  Younger turned 15 before older turned 18.
Some important things to remember seem to have slipped your ability to read facts.


No. FARK NO. Jesus you are wrong.  Here read this
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit- Re dacted
 
2013-05-24 07:48:03 PM

worlddan: OgreMagi: worlddan: (1) There is no such thing as a rule-less game

Calvin-ball.

???

http://calvinandhobbes.wikia.com/wiki/Calvinball


There are common elements in each game of Calivin-ball, but there are no rules.

Ok, One rule.  Have fun.
 
2013-05-24 07:48:17 PM
www.wusa9.com

Who said they were screwing?
That would be my defense.  Hey, we are friends.  We hold hands.  I can hold hands with a 14 year old if I want to.
Kids are brainless these days.
 
2013-05-24 07:48:37 PM

BolloxReader: ///had a mother literally offer me the choice between her 17 year old daughter and her 14 year old daughter, because she figured I was going to college and could support one of her children easily. Declined offer. WTF.


Would you have taken the offer if it was for both of them?
 
2013-05-24 07:48:37 PM

dlp211: This is stupid, and so are the laws around HS/teenage/young adult relationships.  Girl shouldn't be charged with anything.  If this was a guy he shouldn't be charged with anything.  Loser Seniors date freshman all the time and guess what, teenagers have sex.


FTFY
 
2013-05-24 07:49:57 PM

Nutsac_Jim: but what happens if a 15 year old is banging the 17 year old.. and the 17 year old has a birthday


What happens is the very Sicilian father of the girl finds out and threatens the young guy with death AND prison.  Then the guy realizes the danger and stops seeing her.

/this really happened to me
 
2013-05-24 07:51:07 PM

Tommy Moo: redslippers: bukijin: To all that say that the law is just an arbitrary standard - that's all a law can ever be.

But the intent is simple: a 14 yr old is not capable of consenting to sex with an 18 yr old because of the uneven power dynamic.

Exactly. Perfectly stated.

I don't know. The problem with the law is that there's no grey area, but in the real world there is. There are age gaps where it starts to get kinda creepy and maybe sorta inappropriate, but to the law, you are either guilty as sin or pure as the driven snow. Over 20 with a 14 year old and I'd say lock her up, and I'd dare anyone to try to make it about homophobia. But at the same time, if this was 17/14 I don't think anyone would care. The power balance in their relationship didn't suddenly, dramatically shift on the day this girl turned 18.


That is where parenting comes in. The law has to delineate something, and this is a hell of a sight better than an unenforceable law on the books that reads "If everybody is creeped out, it's illegal". Or that leaves prosecution solely up to the discretion of the parents.

The law in Florida us clear that under 18 is jail bait. And if you are under a specific age, under 16 is jail bait. All teenagers know this law. In Indian River, it is actually taught in health class.

This law stands to protect kids with parents who don't care enough to, as well as provide teeth for parents to protect their children.

And you'd be hard pressed to find a parent of a fourteen year old girl who thinks this is "no big deal".
 
2013-05-24 07:51:21 PM

redslippers: dlp211: This is stupid, and so are the laws around HS/teenage/young adult relationships.  Girl shouldn't be charged with anything.  If this was a guy he shouldn't be charged with anything.  Seniors date freshman all the time and guess what, teenagers have sex.

Seniors do not date freshman "all the time". And yes, there should be laws on the books to prevent older, more mature kids from having sexual encounters with kids who are not old enough to drive a car, let alone determine whether or not they are ready to have sex.

When is the last time you had a conversation with a fourteen year old girl? My daughter is very mature for her age. She gets good grades, talks to me about things going on socially, boys, even told me openly that she is a little confused about her sexuality and thinks she may be a lesbian. She is incredibly smart, and for her age, very well reasoned. But she isn't old enough to decide whether or not to have sex. And an older person, boy or girl, who is a legal adult, should have no interest in a fourteen year old. The vast majority of these situations are predatory. There is a grossly uneven power dynamic between the parties and the younger is at a significant disadvantage. The law recognizes this, and the law is there because society recognizes this.



Sorry to bust your bubble, but seniors date freshman all the time, more specifically, senior boys date freshman girls, and this isn't even new, this has been going on since at least my grandparents generation.  This wasn't someone in college dating a freshman in high school.  This was a senior dating a freshman.  They were a part of the same peer group.
 
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