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(Planet Ivy)   Police solve homelessness once and for all. Key strategy: Take sleeping bags, food, and any other possessions and move them on   (planetivy.com) divider line 31
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2013-05-24 02:55:55 PM
3 votes:
"The public rely on police to reduce the negative impact of rough sleepers"

Take away their stuff and they're still homeless. The only way that this strategy could solve the problem is if the homeless people froze or starved to death.

Sick.
2013-05-24 02:54:58 PM
3 votes:
They are still playing nice, in a few years people will just disappear.
2013-05-24 03:23:36 PM
2 votes:

jaybeezey: What's all this then?


All the poor people that 35 years of "hooray for me, f*ck you" as an economic management scheme created coming back to piss in the petunias.
2013-05-24 03:21:33 PM
2 votes:
I know most of them are addicted or nuts. But if the homeless population ever did become unified. Perhaps a charismatic hobo rises up and teaches them to fight.

society as a whole will regret allowing the gestapo to steal from them. It will regret chasing away people who just tried to feed those folks.

enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all. Hoarding wealth while people hunger is like hoarding water when people are thirsty.

eventually they just kill you and take it
2013-05-24 03:16:05 PM
2 votes:
Following the tradition of police everywhere.    To me they have been criminals with badges for a long time.
2013-05-24 03:11:07 PM
2 votes:

Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?


I'm not sure that's a thing in England.

/ not a barrister;

// very tempted to make a reference to Dim of The yard; but, I don't think anybody saw that episode of Monty Python but me
2013-05-24 03:07:18 PM
2 votes:
How is this not outright theft? Confiscating food? What. The. FARK.
2013-05-24 02:54:47 PM
2 votes:
i411.photobucket.com
2013-05-24 02:38:22 PM
2 votes:
#$&ing nanny state and their cradle to grave care of people!

Person takes other person's stuff : Theft.
Person with badge takes other person's stuff: Confiscation.
2013-05-24 07:05:46 PM
1 votes:

GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous


im a canadian. But it was 09 and wound up on the street because of a biatch ex and a prejudiced family court and legal system. Even when homeless I had a job.

many people become homeless due to mental health issues.
other people dont have family to fall back on when times get tough. If your a single guy they have next to zero resources to help you. Nor do they care to.

many people are addicts. Doesnt mean they like being addicted or homeless. What has happend is that chemicals have fried their brains. In that state they are in capable of finding or holding a job. Or even using whatever meager social assistance they get to find a room to rent.

Doing good for myself now. Since being homeless Ive increased my income substantially every year since. Even straightend out my goofy ex once I got the court system out of our business.

for people that think the homeless like it and want to be their.
your a goof eat a dick and feel free to walk down to the homeless shelter or nearest back alley and say so to those peoples faces.
2013-05-24 05:40:41 PM
1 votes:
armor helix:

There's one minor problem with your argument. There are programs available for people with military-related issues like PTSD. So if they decide to use drugs and become homeless it is their choice to do so.

That's so cute. You're such an expert. You think PTSD is caused by "military related issues" not things like; rape, violence of any sort, chronic stress. What about schizophrenia doctor, what are people doing to cause that? What about schizoaffective disorders? What are people doing to cause that to themselves? What about organic brain diseases, what about frontal lobe trauma, what about any other number of physiological and psychiatric disorders that people "cause themselves" mr expert? Please tell me? Oh yeah, I'm a nurse practitioner and as I said, I've been working with these issues for 20 years, so why don't you tell me the secrets to free healthcare, free prescription medication, etc, etc? Please, tell me all about the "foundation assistance" that tends to be used up within the first 30 days of the fiscal year. Tell me all about how easy it is to get medicare/medicaid disability for a mentally ill person because keeping appointments and bouncing back and forth for the 1-2 years and mandatory 2-3 appeals that it typically takes to qualify for any type of non-TERI disability is so easily navigable when you have a chorus of voices in your head telling you to rip out your eyes. Go ahead, oh learned and compassionate one, I know about 45 people that I can help tomorrow with your expertise.
2013-05-24 05:07:16 PM
1 votes:

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I know most of them are addicted or nuts. But if the homeless population ever did become unified. Perhaps a charismatic hobo rises up and teaches them to fight.


He might rally a miinority of the chronically homeless - those who've been homeless a year or more.  Chronically homeless were about 16% of 632K total in 2011, so roughly 100K.  The rest don't have strong investment in homeless issues - they're just "temporarily down on our luck" - so they won't join a movement.

http://www.endhomelessness.org/pages/snapshot_of_homelessness

FWIW, 16% of homeless adults were vets in that one-day snapshot, not 1 in 4.  Homeless vet pop decreased 7% from 2010.

Federal housing assistance for the homeless was $1.9 billion; it would take about $20 billion to house all the homeless for a year.  I'd say it's doable and should be done.

These UK cops should be buried atop the shredded corpse of their chief.
2013-05-24 04:53:18 PM
1 votes:

Intrepid00: teenage mutant ninja rapist: I know most of them are addicted or nuts. But if the homeless population ever did become unified. Perhaps a charismatic hobo rises up and teaches them to fight.

society as a whole will regret allowing the gestapo to steal from them. It will regret chasing away people who just tried to feed those folks.

enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all. Hoarding wealth while people hunger is like hoarding water when people are thirsty.

eventually they just kill you and take it

Chronic homeless is like 128k people at a given time in the USA.

What is an 00.03% population going to do everyone in the USA. That is effectively 0%.

If you throw in people mooching off government housing you get maybe 0.2% of the population. Still not a sizable amount of people to cause a problem.


You're a liar. Per the 2009 Annual Homeless Assessment Report there are 650,000 absolute homeless homeless on any given night in america. As many as 3.5 million experience homelessness in a given year. (1% of the entire population). Jesus christ, how evil do you have to be to lie about statistics like that?
2013-05-24 04:50:59 PM
1 votes:

Evil Mackerel: Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?

If your not cop , your little people.


Umm... How did you mess up "you're" twice?
2013-05-24 04:38:24 PM
1 votes:

Tom_Slick: hailin: relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God

I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.

I have always wondered, if you opened a shelter that allows say alcohol and pot, nothing harder, and offered low end jobs (say the guy who stands at road construction holding the "slow/stop' sign) as condition to live there (they get paid minimum wage and get to keep it all)  Would there be any takers?


That sign holding job pays over $40 an hour. Most homeless are unemployable because of mental health and/or addiction and/or legal issues. Unlike the learned genius' in the thread going off their "gut" feeling that their is plenty of shelter space or homelessness is a choice, I have spent 20 years working directly with various federal programs attempting to obtain grant moneys. I have written several grants specifically for substance abuse rehabilitation for the homeless, mental health services (specifically crisis intervention and stabilization), and emergency health intervention and placement. The resources available (and, I'm using a perfect model) may be sufficient to meet 20% of the need with private and religious foundations capable of meeting maybe 10-15% (once again, best case scenario). To claim anything else is remarkable ignorant or dishonest, and it's heartless whichever side of the coin you land on. America is a terrible place to be a needy person, that is the bottom line. Maybe not as bad as Somalia, but is that the standard we want to be measured to? Now, I'm sure we'll have plenty of bootstrappy people with horror stories about the poors peeing in public, sleeping in doorsteps, and all the other things that offend their delicately sensibilities because people with mental illness are to be scorned, punished, and derided for their refusal to embrace the gift of self sufficiency that Saint Regan's gutting of our mental healthcare system has given them. It gives you a pretty disgusting glimpse into the the cruel nature of our "christian conservative" nation.
2013-05-24 03:57:05 PM
1 votes:

armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.


bzzzt.  Wrong.  No more than 10~15% of homeless are homeless because they like the free and easy lifestyle.
2013-05-24 03:49:19 PM
1 votes:

armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.


Any numbers on that?  Cause that sounds seriously " last option before eating a gun" level regarding life choices.
2013-05-24 03:48:36 PM
1 votes:
enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all.

People in the US already pay enough in taxes to take care of basics (food, medical, a place to sleep) for everyone in need.

Perhaps Mr Obama could end these stupid wars, and use that money ?

Regardless, the homeless shouldn't be out there. They fall into three categories:
1. Mentally ill, who should be in group homes.
2. People who enjoy such "camping", yet who are trespassing. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.
3. Those who have farked up their lives from drugs, who should be in group homes.
4. Those temporarily without a home. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.

Ta-farking-da, as they say. Homeless people and beggars suck balls, and they screw things up wherever they go. People who beg at highway interchanges and Walmart parking lots ALL have homes, they're just in it for the easy tax-free bucks.

Again, STFU if you're a liberal and you support President Drone and you complain there's no money for the poor. Stop the wars.
2013-05-24 03:44:52 PM
1 votes:
Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.
They use drugs, crap everywhere, deter business, camp out in restaurant and store bathrooms, panhandle aggressively and commit all kinds of petty crimes of opportunity.
It used to be an embarrassment to be homeless. The police would arrest and charge the homeless with vagrancy.
Nowadays everybody is in such a hurry to beat the next Prius over to the corner pan handling bum to give him an organic banana that nobody realizes what a bunch of self entitled a!*holes modern homeless people are. Go buy lunch in San Francisco and go sit down to eat at the park if you don't believe me. In fact, you probably can't get down to the park because the escalator is clogged with homeless people's feces and won't work anymore. (Happens all the time)

A missing sleeping bag would be the least of a homeless person's concerns if I had my way. I work hard every day to take care of myself and my family so I don't have to impose on others. I have no respect or empathy for people who leech off of society. Disabled veterans are a different story, of course.
2013-05-24 03:36:28 PM
1 votes:
The problem is that a lot of long-term homeless people do not want to live any other way. I've talked with people who were homeless for years at a time and they loved not having responsibilities, they felt a certain freedom and enjoyed everything but the insults and degradation heaped on them by others. For them it was a lifestyle choice, a rejection of materialism and a rebellion against a system that they felt had already screwed them over.

Then there were a lot of others who were literally dumped on the streets when the state mental hospital was shut down. Still a lot of them in Indianapolis.

Then there are the short term homeless, often families or women with children. When I was attending college, the dean's office confided in me that 10% of their students were homeless at any given time and 25% of their students would be homeless at some point in their college years. The faculty and staff have an unofficial fund they contribute to so they could help out the occasional student in crisis but there was no way to reach everyone in a meaningful way. Most of the students there were nontraditional and had children. I know that a shockingly high percent of homeless people are actually children whose parents simply lack any sort of financial stability.

The problem is that there isn't any way to fix the problem because there are so many problems. You have to have multiple approaches, but often we want one solution to fit every situation and when it inevitably fails it is always the solution that is the problem, not the understanding of the complexities underlying homelessness.
2013-05-24 03:26:08 PM
1 votes:

wambu: When you have them live near your house or business and are OK with that or actively work to provide the homeless shelter, food clothes and other services, I'll listen to your outrage over their treatment.

Until then STFU.


You statement is ridiculous. STFU.
2013-05-24 03:25:05 PM
1 votes:

EkimProx: If I'm walking down the street, I really don't like seeing people sleeping on it. Street is for walking, not sleeping. Learn to sleep walk or get the fark out.


If I'm driving down the street, I really don't like seeing people walking on it. Street is for driving, not walking. Buy a car or get the fark out.
2013-05-24 03:20:20 PM
1 votes:

The Irresponsible Captain: /1 in 4 Veterans are homeless


There's no way that's true. Are you sure it's not the other way around, that 1 in 4 homeless people are veterans?
2013-05-24 03:18:22 PM
1 votes:

Askura: blatz514: The Irresponsible Captain: Dear Redbrigde Police: When did you decide not to honor our Veterans?

/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless

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Where did you get that set of stats from?


Fark, it's Friday. 1 in 4 homeless are Veterans. In the U.S. Apparently this is across the pond. I'm going home now. I can't brain anymore.
2013-05-24 03:11:05 PM
1 votes:
In 1996 just ahead of the Olympics, Atlanta had a novel solution to the homeless problem, One-Way Bus Tickets anywhere in the US.  To hide the remaining homeless who stayed behind during the games they held a 3 week long party in a warehouse, with food, clothes, showers, booze, and beds.
2013-05-24 03:08:16 PM
1 votes:
I don't wanna sound all, like, bleeding heart or anything, but didn't the human race build all this nifty sh*t to serve the human race, not the other way around?
Ehh
2013-05-24 03:05:13 PM
1 votes:
This is pretty much the approach Orwell described in The Road to Wigan Pier. Some things never change.
2013-05-24 03:00:24 PM
1 votes:
Keep your crap off the sidewalk and put it behind the dumpster where it belongs.
2013-05-24 02:59:53 PM
1 votes:
Hey, I used to be homeless, but now I have a home, and you know what? The government still takes my stuff. Well, they take my money before I can buy stuff with it.
2013-05-24 02:57:03 PM
1 votes:
Dear Redbrigde Police: When did you decide not to honor our Veterans?

/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless
2013-05-24 02:55:29 PM
1 votes:
If I'm walking down the street, I really don't like seeing people sleeping on it. Street is for walking, not sleeping. Learn to sleep walk or get the fark out.
 
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