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2013-05-24 05:25:16 PM  

relaxitsjustme: armor helix: relaxitsjustme: armor helix: relaxitsjustme: armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.

bzzzt.  Wrong.  No more than 10~15% of homeless are homeless because they like the free and easy lifestyle.

Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

Now go get back into your Prius and take your smug half-assed smile someplace else.

Well I guess if you get to make up your own definitions then you're always going to be correct.  Brilliant!

/doesn't own a Prius and I'm in a shaitty mode today so fark you too.

Hopefully in the near future you will either be the victim of a petty crime of opportunity, or find a used syringe on your property when letting your dog out, or maybe discover some human feces surrounded by poopy Wendy's napkins that some crack-headed bum used to wipe with. Then you will realize what an idiot you are for thinking that all homeless people are downtrodden victims that need our hard-earned food and money.

And hopefully in the near future you or somebody you care about will find themselves homeless and in need of a place to shait but with zero public bathroom options or so tormented by PTSD that getting high or drunk is the best medication.  Maybe then you will realize what an idiot you are for thinking all homeless people are there because 'Hey free sandwiches at the Salvation Army'

/two can play this game
//but I'm done.


There's one minor problem with your argument. There are programs available for people with military-related issues like PTSD. So if they decide to use drugs and become homeless it is their choice to do so. And when they need money for more drugs and alcohol I hope they break into your Honda hybrid and steal your goodies while you are home at 11AM drinking organic rooibos tea instead of breaking into my house at that same time while I am at work.
 
2013-05-24 05:28:31 PM  
dopekitty74:
It appears there's a pretty wide variation with the pay (Had a cousin that worked for the county for a while that made "around $40")

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_money_do_flaggers_in_Washington_s ta te_make_an_hour
Depends on your company and what county you work in. For example: private pay non union companies are usually $10-$13 an hour. Counties in washington are usually between $24-$36 an hour non union prevailing wage job. If u are union your highest pay is usually $25 an hour plus benefits.
 
2013-05-24 05:38:56 PM  

armor helix: Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.


When you first start abusing the drug or drink it is a choice. However, no one wakes up one day and decides to start sucking dicks behind the Circle K to get what they need. No one thinks they'll be hooked, but it happens gradually like the famous frog in heating water. Once the addiction takes hold, it's no longer a choice. Many of these folks started their drug of choice while having a job, a home, etc. Do you think they just decided to give that all away?

And then there's detox. Unsupervised, a severe addict can die. Seizures, etc. And given the dearth of free medical service for addicts, the problem is perpetual. Don't hand me any sh*t about "You have to want to quit." When the addiction is strong enough you HAVE to do it. It's an actual medical problem, beyond matters of willpower.

Before anyone responds with a generic story about "Well I quit cold turkey!," ask yourself - were you medically supervised to avoid massive trembling, seizures and such? Or were you just someone who drank too much on weekends but could survive 24 hours without a drink? Or crack pipe, whatever. All addictions are similar. Your friend who wears the lampshade because his drug or alcohol use is too high isn't the same as someone who has consumed daily for so long that his body will revolt if he suddenly stops.
 
2013-05-24 05:40:23 PM  
I am no longer donating to the homeless, as this makes the problem worse, not better.
It is like having a bird feeder, when the feeder is full the lazy birds swarm around it, making noise, defecating on everything, and being a nuisance...
Stop filling the feeder and the weak birds die off, the strong birds go out and find what nature provides and the nuisance factor goes away...
 
2013-05-24 05:40:41 PM  
armor helix:

There's one minor problem with your argument. There are programs available for people with military-related issues like PTSD. So if they decide to use drugs and become homeless it is their choice to do so.

That's so cute. You're such an expert. You think PTSD is caused by "military related issues" not things like; rape, violence of any sort, chronic stress. What about schizophrenia doctor, what are people doing to cause that? What about schizoaffective disorders? What are people doing to cause that to themselves? What about organic brain diseases, what about frontal lobe trauma, what about any other number of physiological and psychiatric disorders that people "cause themselves" mr expert? Please tell me? Oh yeah, I'm a nurse practitioner and as I said, I've been working with these issues for 20 years, so why don't you tell me the secrets to free healthcare, free prescription medication, etc, etc? Please, tell me all about the "foundation assistance" that tends to be used up within the first 30 days of the fiscal year. Tell me all about how easy it is to get medicare/medicaid disability for a mentally ill person because keeping appointments and bouncing back and forth for the 1-2 years and mandatory 2-3 appeals that it typically takes to qualify for any type of non-TERI disability is so easily navigable when you have a chorus of voices in your head telling you to rip out your eyes. Go ahead, oh learned and compassionate one, I know about 45 people that I can help tomorrow with your expertise.
 
2013-05-24 05:42:07 PM  
rather than donating food, clothing and sleeping bags, donate firearms so they can protect their property from theft...
 
2013-05-24 05:47:42 PM  
I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous
 
2013-05-24 05:48:25 PM  
When I walk the streets, I always give a bit to the homeless.  It makes me feel better to support the performing arts.
 
2013-05-24 05:52:52 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous


You're a fortunate person with little imagination or motivation to satisfy curiosity.
 
2013-05-24 05:52:53 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous


Mental illness is funny.
 
2013-05-24 05:55:13 PM  

Bender The Offender: armor helix:

There's one minor problem with your argument. There are programs available for people with military-related issues like PTSD. So if they decide to use drugs and become homeless it is their choice to do so.

That's so cute. You're such an expert. You think PTSD is caused by "military related issues" not things like; rape, violence of any sort, chronic stress. What about schizophrenia doctor, what are people doing to cause that? What about schizoaffective disorders? What are people doing to cause that to themselves? What about organic brain diseases, what about frontal lobe trauma, what about any other number of physiological and psychiatric disorders that people "cause themselves" mr expert? Please tell me? Oh yeah, I'm a nurse practitioner and as I said, I've been working with these issues for 20 years, so why don't you tell me the secrets to free healthcare, free prescription medication, etc, etc? Please, tell me all about the "foundation assistance" that tends to be used up within the first 30 days of the fiscal year. Tell me all about how easy it is to get medicare/medicaid disability for a mentally ill person because keeping appointments and bouncing back and forth for the 1-2 years and mandatory 2-3 appeals that it typically takes to qualify for any type of non-TERI disability is so easily navigable when you have a chorus of voices in your head telling you to rip out your eyes. Go ahead, oh learned and compassionate one, I know about 45 people that I can help tomorrow with your expertise.


I'll tell you what. I'll continue to pay my own way through life and disregard people who don't. You can sit here on Yelp and chastise people like me for not wiping homeless people's butts because they refuse to do it themselves. After all, you're a nurse practitioner and that makes you an expert on homeless people.

Here's a medical fact for you - leaving spent hypodermic needles laying around is dangerous! You can choose to subsidize this type of activity by giving the crackhead on the corner $5 if you want. Me? Not so much.

BTW, I was referring to military veterans as it relates to PTSD, not every homeless heroin addict who got raped by a third guy after selling blowjobs to his two friends.
 
2013-05-24 05:56:29 PM  

macadamnut: Back in the winter of '88-89 the city of Seattle chartered some buses


I hear that Portland is now the desired haven for the homeless on the west coast.  They get a lot of services there.

Seems that no good deed goes unpunished when helping the homeless.  If you make things too nice, you tend to attract homeless from other areas.  Since many of them suffer from drug addiction and mental illness, the locals end up suffering as a result.  Which sucks, because it becomes a disincentive to improve services.  Cities become jaded and label the homeless as persons-non-grata.
 
2013-05-24 05:59:19 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States
 
2013-05-24 06:16:24 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous

You're a fortunate person with little imagination or motivation to satisfy curiosity.


Well I mean I can envision scenarios where people have severe mental illnesses, but at the same time I do know people with debilitating mental illnesses that manage to not be homeless

I'm in the south and most people at least have some family around here so that's probably part of it I guess.

Motivation I guess your right I could look it up but was hoping maybe for some quick first hand experience from the farkers
 
2013-05-24 06:35:17 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: BarkingUnicorn: GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous

You're a fortunate person with little imagination or motivation to satisfy curiosity.

Well I mean I can envision scenarios where people have severe mental illnesses, but at the same time I do know people with debilitating mental illnesses that manage to not be homeless

I'm in the south and most people at least have some family around here so that's probably part of it I guess.

Motivation I guess your right I could look it up but was hoping maybe for some quick first hand experience from the farkers


So, like the voluntarily homeless, you choose to sponge off other people rather than work for the knowledge you want.  You admit to not reading TFA and apparently haven't read this thread before asking us to repeat ourselves.

Or you're trying to avoid saying, "I see no excuse for being homeless, so fark 'em."  That seems more plausible coming from Mississippi.
 
2013-05-24 06:42:39 PM  
The Irresponsible Captain:
/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless

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So right now there are (+/-) 20,000,000 veterans.  That would mean 5,000,000 were homeless.  Looking at various sites, there are maybe 750,000 homeless persons in the US.  That would mean that if every person who was homeless was a veteran the number would be maybe 1 in 26 veterans were homeless

Do not sell the veterans short
 
2013-05-24 06:48:49 PM  
From a town with a lot of programs for the homeless, and mild weather. Consequently we have a fark ton of homeless, I wouldn't care if they just slept in public places but I get harassed for change and smokes constantly. I wish our police would do the same damn thing.
 
2013-05-24 06:50:42 PM  

Tom_Slick: In 1996 just ahead of the Olympics, Atlanta had a novel solution to the homeless problem, One-Way Bus Tickets anywhere in the US.  To hide the remaining homeless who stayed behind during the games they held a 3 week long party in a warehouse, with food, clothes, showers, booze, and beds.


Man. For that kinda gig I would pretend to be homeless for 3 weeks.

vancouver did basically the same shiat with it's hobos during olympic time.

woulda been funny for the IOC to see hasting & main in all its splendor. psycho junkie hell it is
 
2013-05-24 06:53:17 PM  

JohnCarter: The Irresponsible Captain:
/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless

So right now there are (+/-) 20,000,000 veterans.  That would mean 5,000,000 were homeless.  Looking at various sites, there are maybe 750,000 homeless persons in the US.  That would mean that if every person who was homeless was a veteran the number would be maybe 1 in 26 veterans were homeless

Do not sell the veterans short


He has it reversed, 1 in 4 homeless person is a veteran. http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/veterans.html
 
2013-05-24 07:04:13 PM  

nucular bum: Pffft... half-measures. Why don't the cops just shoot them in the head while they're at it?

/am i kidding or serious?
//discuss...


That was Brazil's solution.
 
2013-05-24 07:05:46 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous


im a canadian. But it was 09 and wound up on the street because of a biatch ex and a prejudiced family court and legal system. Even when homeless I had a job.

many people become homeless due to mental health issues.
other people dont have family to fall back on when times get tough. If your a single guy they have next to zero resources to help you. Nor do they care to.

many people are addicts. Doesnt mean they like being addicted or homeless. What has happend is that chemicals have fried their brains. In that state they are in capable of finding or holding a job. Or even using whatever meager social assistance they get to find a room to rent.

Doing good for myself now. Since being homeless Ive increased my income substantially every year since. Even straightend out my goofy ex once I got the court system out of our business.

for people that think the homeless like it and want to be their.
your a goof eat a dick and feel free to walk down to the homeless shelter or nearest back alley and say so to those peoples faces.
 
2013-05-24 07:18:28 PM  
Police thrive on confiscation. Theft under badge.
 
2013-05-24 07:25:34 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: GrizzlyPouch: BarkingUnicorn: GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous

You're a fortunate person with little imagination or motivation to satisfy curiosity.

Well I mean I can envision scenarios where people have severe mental illnesses, but at the same time I do know people with debilitating mental illnesses that manage to not be homeless

I'm in the south and most people at least have some family around here so that's probably part of it I guess.

Motivation I guess your right I could look it up but was hoping maybe for some quick first hand experience from the farkers

So, like the voluntarily homeless, you choose to sponge off other people rather than work for the knowledge you want.  You admit to not reading TFA and apparently haven't read this thread before asking us to repeat ourselves.

Or you're trying to avoid saying, "I see no excuse for being homeless, so fark 'em."  That seems more plausible coming from Mississippi.


Jeez project your intolerance of other people much?

I skimmed the thread didnt see anything other than its pretty much voluntary. Just asking a question home slice
 
2013-05-24 08:00:32 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: BarkingUnicorn: GrizzlyPouch: BarkingUnicorn: GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous

You're a fortunate person with little imagination or motivation to satisfy curiosity.

Well I mean I can envision scenarios where people have severe mental illnesses, but at the same time I do know people with debilitating mental illnesses that manage to not be homeless

I'm in the south and most people at least have some family around here so that's probably part of it I guess.

Motivation I guess your right I could look it up but was hoping maybe for some quick first hand experience from the farkers

So, like the voluntarily homeless, you choose to sponge off other people rather than work for the knowledge you want.  You admit to not reading TFA and apparently haven't read this thread before asking us to repeat ourselves.

Or you're trying to avoid saying, "I see no excuse for being homeless, so fark 'em."  That seems more plausible coming from Mississippi.

Jeez project your intolerance of other people much?

I skimmed the thread didnt see anything other than its pretty much voluntary. Just asking a question home slice


And the answer is, "Study it out" if you really give a fark.  Everything you've posted indicates you don't, so why should anyone bother trying to educate  you?

You can't even "skim" competently, if I believe you did.  But I don't.  Yeah, I'm intolerant of the disingenuous.  The most annoying thing about bullshiat is the author's insinuation that his audience is stupid.
 
2013-05-24 08:18:35 PM  
www.uproxx.com
 
2013-05-24 08:48:54 PM  

Doink_Boink: My neighborhood is wealthy, we pay a shiatton in taxes, we have a lot of great amenities, we also have a shiatton of liberals in my county.  I'm liberal, for the most part, but when five homeless people decided to make the playground their home I did have a problem with it.  Then a few more, and a few more.  It was up to about twenty people living in the playground.  They would hope the fence and bathe in the pool at night, I would see them drunk in the pool chairs, nude, their clothes hanging on the fence to dry.  We would try and ask them to find somewhere else to stay, there are shelters for the homeless not far from there, but they weren't allowed to drink/drug at the shelters, better to live in the playground's castle building.  Then shiat from garages started getting stolen, cars broken into, kids getting harassed.  We had enough, tried to go to the community board meetings and nobody wanted to even talk about it.  Fortunately, we have some friends in the police dept and they persuaded them to leave.  Once they were gone we got to reclaim the playground and all the junk they left there.  We found out that like cats they treated the sandbox as a litter box, poop and sand and mulch stacked high, they would poop off the deck area into the pit.  The fire dept came out and used their hoses to blow it all into one area of the grass where it was left with cones blocking it off.  We went in with bleach and scrubbed it all down, a week later the kids were able to play in the park again.  I felt badly for the homeless, many are just nuts and don't want to live in an asylum, don't blame them, but still, it's not ok to be such a nuisance.  Many of the "homeless" in my area aren't even homeless, they're opportunists, they know they can take the subway to my neighborhood and stand on the median begging from money at all the cars that stop at the light.  Sometimes there are people at all four corners begging.


www.tonyrogers.com
the homeless don't respect authoritay!
 
2013-05-24 08:56:03 PM  
jpegy.com
 
2013-05-24 09:10:11 PM  

Zombalupagus: [jpegy.com image 500x500]


I see it differently.

99.8% of people not homeless + our society feeds people from other societies around the world for free with the excess food we produce = society is an amazingly unqualified resounding success.

/Sometimes I admit to being a glass half full kinda guy.
 
2013-05-24 09:10:25 PM  

Zombalupagus: [jpegy.com image 500x500]


"Use it or lose it" fails too.
 
2013-05-24 09:17:56 PM  

hailin: relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God

I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.


Yet I can be drunk and high in my own home. Shrug.
 
2013-05-24 09:18:02 PM  

Tunney: "The public rely on police to reduce the negative impact of rough sleepers"

Take away their stuff and they're still homeless. The only way that this strategy could solve the problem is if the homeless people froze or starved to death.

Sick.


arrest the police for theft of property
hold them in jail without bail until the property is returned and the a proper penalty is paid to the citizen
PROFIT!!
 
2013-05-24 09:20:10 PM  

mochunk: I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.

Yet I can be drunk and high in my own home. Shrug.


Invite 'em all over.  Shrug.
 
2013-05-24 09:33:54 PM  

dickfreckle: armor helix: Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

When you first start abusing the drug or drink it is a choice. However, no one wakes up one day and decides to start sucking dicks behind the Circle K to get what they need. No one thinks they'll be hooked, but it happens gradually like the famous frog in heating water. Once the addiction takes hold, it's no longer a choice. Many of these folks started their drug of choice while having a job, a home, etc. Do you think they just decided to give that all away?

And then there's detox. Unsupervised, a severe addict can die. Seizures, etc. And given the dearth of free medical service for addicts, the problem is perpetual. Don't hand me any sh*t about "You have to want to quit." When the addiction is strong enough you HAVE to do it. It's an actual medical problem, beyond matters of willpower.

Before anyone responds with a generic story about "Well I quit cold turkey!," ask yourself - were you medically supervised to avoid massive trembling, seizures and such? Or were you just someone who drank too much on weekends but could survive 24 hours without a drink? Or crack pipe, whatever. All addictions are similar. Your friend who wears the lampshade because his drug or alcohol use is too high isn't the same as someone who has consumed daily for so long that his body will revolt if he suddenly stops.


s3.amazonaws.com

"DERPA DERP!! One second I was using marijuana in high school, the next thing I know here I am! I am not this way due to my own bad decision making processes, whatsoever. If only more people would give me $5 when I am panhandling at the corner maybe my life will somehow turn out different. If only the government would have thrown slightly more money into my local homeless shelter maybe I would be a CEO or something today! I am in no way responsible for the way I turned out. One day it was marijuana, the next day I was blowing some guy behind Circle-K because I didn't have access to a clean enough place to detox! DERPA-DERP-DERP!!!!111 lol!!111"

P.S. Somebody stole my sleeping bag! Wtfx!?!?!?
 
2013-05-24 09:57:15 PM  

armor helix: dickfreckle: armor helix: Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

When you first start abusing the drug or drink it is a choice. However, no one wakes up one day and decides to start sucking dicks behind the Circle K to get what they need. No one thinks they'll be hooked, but it happens gradually like the famous frog in heating water. Once the addiction takes hold, it's no longer a choice. Many of these folks started their drug of choice while having a job, a home, etc. Do you think they just decided to give that all away?

And then there's detox. Unsupervised, a severe addict can die. Seizures, etc. And given the dearth of free medical service for addicts, the problem is perpetual. Don't hand me any sh*t about "You have to want to quit." When the addiction is strong enough you HAVE to do it. It's an actual medical problem, beyond matters of willpower.

Before anyone responds with a generic story about "Well I quit cold turkey!," ask yourself - were you medically supervised to avoid massive trembling, seizures and such? Or were you just someone who drank too much on weekends but could survive 24 hours without a drink? Or crack pipe, whatever. All addictions are similar. Your friend who wears the lampshade because his drug or alcohol use is too high isn't the same as someone who has consumed daily for so long that his body will revolt if he suddenly stops.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 361x480]

"DERPA DERP!! One second I was using marijuana in high school, the next thing I know here I am! I am not this way due to my own bad decision making processes, whatsoever. If only more people would give me $5 when I am panhandling at the corner maybe my life will somehow turn out different. If only the government would have thrown slightly more money into my local homeless shelter maybe I would be a CEO or something today! I am i ...


You're a terrible human being.

I just wanted you to know that.
 
2013-05-24 10:14:04 PM  

HeartBurnKid: You realize Iraq has ended, Afghanistan ends next year, and "President Drone" is actively campaigning for the repeal of the AUMF, right?

/other than that, yeah, we definitely should be doing more for the homeless


zOMG SOOOOOOOOCIALISM!
 
2013-05-24 10:17:29 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?

If your not cop , your little people.


If yew kan't spel, yu went too publik skool.
 
2013-05-24 10:57:19 PM  

HeartBurnKid: armor helix: dickfreckle: armor helix: Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

When you first start abusing the drug or drink it is a choice. However, no one wakes up one day and decides to start sucking dicks behind the Circle K to get what they need. No one thinks they'll be hooked, but it happens gradually like the famous frog in heating water. Once the addiction takes hold, it's no longer a choice. Many of these folks started their drug of choice while having a job, a home, etc. Do you think they just decided to give that all away?

And then there's detox. Unsupervised, a severe addict can die. Seizures, etc. And given the dearth of free medical service for addicts, the problem is perpetual. Don't hand me any sh*t about "You have to want to quit." When the addiction is strong enough you HAVE to do it. It's an actual medical problem, beyond matters of willpower.

Before anyone responds with a generic story about "Well I quit cold turkey!," ask yourself - were you medically supervised to avoid massive trembling, seizures and such? Or were you just someone who drank too much on weekends but could survive 24 hours without a drink? Or crack pipe, whatever. All addictions are similar. Your friend who wears the lampshade because his drug or alcohol use is too high isn't the same as someone who has consumed daily for so long that his body will revolt if he suddenly stops.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 361x480]

"DERPA DERP!! One second I was using marijuana in high school, the next thing I know here I am! I am not this way due to my own bad decision making processes, whatsoever. If only more people would give me $5 when I am panhandling at the corner maybe my life will somehow turn out different. If only the government would have thrown slightly more money into my local homeless shelter maybe I would be a CEO or something today! I am i ...

You're a terrible human being.

I just wanted you to know that.


And you're a naive dumbass. I'd prefer the former any day.
 
2013-05-24 11:00:49 PM  
I discovered this was England, and then I stopped caring.
 
2013-05-24 11:17:32 PM  

Stoker: Police thrive on confiscation. Theft under badge.


Yes, nothing makes cops rich like stealing a cart full of dirty rags, broken bottles and empty cans, and half a dozen old newspapers.

You are thinking of the wrong confiscation, bubba, the kind that has nothing to do with either homelessness or the law under discussion here.
 
2013-05-24 11:20:37 PM  
It's natural to want to believe that people are homeless by choice. Because if it were true, we wouldn't have to feel bad for them. They must like it at some level or they wouldn't have chosen it in the first place. Also, we also don't have to be afraid of it happening to us, because, Good Grief, we're never going to choose to be homeless! No sir! Not something we have to plan against or lose sleep over.

Frequently question whether you believe something just because you want to.
 
2013-05-24 11:50:43 PM  

LindenFark: It's natural to want to believe that people are homeless by choice. Because if it were true, we wouldn't have to feel bad for them. They must like it at some level or they wouldn't have chosen it in the first place. Also, we also don't have to be afraid of it happening to us, because, Good Grief, we're never going to choose to be homeless! No sir! Not something we have to plan against or lose sleep over.

Frequently question whether you believe something just because you want to.


Some people are homeless by choice. Some people are homeless by necessity. Some just can't negotiate the endless confusion of paperwork and clerks talking gibberish and intimidating waiting rooms needed to get out of homelessness. Some don't like being told when and how they have to dress, sleep, eat and bathe, and so they stay homeless as preferable to having some young punk order them around. Some have had their brains turned to mush by too many years of alcohol or drugs; some never had brains to begin with. And some aren't really homeless, they're just in transition and will be back among society before too long.

The idea that there is one cause of homelessness, or one type of homeless person, is probably more corrosive to ending homelessness than poverty or drug addiction or apathy. If people see a bum on the street and instantly think (as some do right here on Fark) "Oh, he just wants to be homeless," then that negates any other explanation of his condition, and thus any other solution: That he might be mentally retarded, for instance, or illiterate, or simply be lost and confused while traveling. But by the same token, thinking "Oh, he's mentally ill and unable to fend for himself" negates the concept that maybe he's a scam artist who likes living off the public dole.

But overgeneralizing is a lot easier than having to think about these things.
 
2013-05-24 11:58:49 PM  

relaxitsjustme: /Things like this make me hope there is a God


Despite being an atheist the idea of homeless cops in the afterlife dumpster diving outside the pearly gates has merit.
 
2013-05-25 12:22:02 AM  

Gyrfalcon: LindenFark: It's natural to want to believe that people are homeless by choice. Because if it were true, we wouldn't have to feel bad for them. They must like it at some level or they wouldn't have chosen it in the first place. Also, we also don't have to be afraid of it happening to us, because, Good Grief, we're never going to choose to be homeless! No sir! Not something we have to plan against or lose sleep over.

Frequently question whether you believe something just because you want to.

Some people are homeless by choice. Some people are homeless by necessity. Some just can't negotiate the endless confusion of paperwork and clerks talking gibberish and intimidating waiting rooms needed to get out of homelessness. Some don't like being told when and how they have to dress, sleep, eat and bathe, and so they stay homeless as preferable to having some young punk order them around. Some have had their brains turned to mush by too many years of alcohol or drugs; some never had brains to begin with. And some aren't really homeless, they're just in transition and will be back among society before too long.

The idea that there is one cause of homelessness, or one type of homeless person, is probably more corrosive to ending homelessness than poverty or drug addiction or apathy. If people see a bum on the street and instantly think (as some do right here on Fark) "Oh, he just wants to be homeless," then that negates any other explanation of his condition, and thus any other solution: That he might be mentally retarded, for instance, or illiterate, or simply be lost and confused while traveling. But by the same token, thinking "Oh, he's mentally ill and unable to fend for himself" negates the concept that maybe he's a scam artist who likes living off the public dole.

But overgeneralizing is a lot easier than having to think about these things.


ok, so do we solve the problem by focusing on those who are homeless "by necessity" or are we required to treat the rest of them respectfully?
 
2013-05-25 12:48:30 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Hoarding wealth while people hunger is like hoarding water when people are thirsty.


Except people don't make water.  They do, however, make wealth.  Well, some of them do.
 
2013-05-25 12:59:10 AM  
skullkrusher: ok, so do we solve the problem by focusing on those who are homeless "by necessity" or are we required to treat the rest of them respectfully?

Why can't you treat them all respectfully? How does it diminish you at all to treat every human being with respect?
 
2013-05-25 01:02:34 AM  

Bender The Offender: skullkrusher: ok, so do we solve the problem by focusing on those who are homeless "by necessity" or are we required to treat the rest of them respectfully?

Why can't you treat them all respectfully? How does it diminish you at all to treat every human being with respect?


because if you're homeless because you want to be, get the fark off my steps? It doesn't diminish me to want people who have a choice but choose to litter my stoop to get the fark off my stoop.
I dunno, seems pretty obvious
 
2013-05-25 02:28:49 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-25 02:35:09 AM  
Only a brain-dead douchebag cop would think this is a good idea.
 
2013-05-25 02:54:19 AM  

Tom_Slick: In 1996 just ahead of the Olympics, Atlanta had a novel solution to the homeless problem, One-Way Bus Tickets anywhere in the US.  To hide the remaining homeless who stayed behind during the games they held a 3 week long party in a warehouse, with food, clothes, showers, booze, and beds.


so did salt lake city, during their olymp ic run.
/though they were one way tickets to las vegas
 
2013-05-25 03:00:50 AM  

skullkrusher: Bender The Offender: skullkrusher: ok, so do we solve the problem by focusing on those who are homeless "by necessity" or are we required to treat the rest of them respectfully?

Why can't you treat them all respectfully? How does it diminish you at all to treat every human being with respect?

because if you're homeless because you want to be, get the fark off my steps? It doesn't diminish me to want people who have a choice but choose to litter my stoop to get the fark off my stoop.
I dunno, seems pretty obvious


I don't think that being homeless is an "obvious" reason for being worthy of disrespect. I also don't think people want to be homeless. I've worked with the homeless for 20 years. In that time, not once has any of them said "hey, I want to be homeless". I don't want to get into any pointless arguments though, you tend to be fixed in your belief systems. I will honestly say that I hope that should any misfortune befall you that puts you in a similar position, that society looks upon you with more kindness, compassion, and understanding. I really mean it.
 
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