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2013-05-24 03:26:34 PM
had to kick a homeless guy out of the doorway of my building a few months ago. I mean, it's bad enough that I'm gonna literally have to step over you to get in and out but when you're pissing on my front door, it's time to go
 
2013-05-24 03:27:46 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Street is for driving, not walking. Buy a car or get the fark out.


Use the bumper that's why it's there.
 
2013-05-24 03:28:34 PM

Evil Mackerel: Notabunny: Evil Mackerel: Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?

If your not cop , your little people.

Y'know, I'm pretty pro-cop. But does every single agency have to be sued? Don't they have a listserv or something? Jeesh!

So your not a "Blade Runner" fan.


Sorry, but my brain shut off when Daryl Hannah's Pris walked on purple monkey sponge bat
 
2013-05-24 03:32:10 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: EkimProx: If I'm walking down the street, I really don't like seeing people sleeping on it. Street is for walking, not sleeping. Learn to sleep walk or get the fark out.

If I'm driving down the street, I really don't like seeing people walking on it. Street is for driving, not walking. Buy a car or get the fark out.


As the Arthur theme song goes: "Everyday when you're walking down the street"
 
2013-05-24 03:36:28 PM
The problem is that a lot of long-term homeless people do not want to live any other way. I've talked with people who were homeless for years at a time and they loved not having responsibilities, they felt a certain freedom and enjoyed everything but the insults and degradation heaped on them by others. For them it was a lifestyle choice, a rejection of materialism and a rebellion against a system that they felt had already screwed them over.

Then there were a lot of others who were literally dumped on the streets when the state mental hospital was shut down. Still a lot of them in Indianapolis.

Then there are the short term homeless, often families or women with children. When I was attending college, the dean's office confided in me that 10% of their students were homeless at any given time and 25% of their students would be homeless at some point in their college years. The faculty and staff have an unofficial fund they contribute to so they could help out the occasional student in crisis but there was no way to reach everyone in a meaningful way. Most of the students there were nontraditional and had children. I know that a shockingly high percent of homeless people are actually children whose parents simply lack any sort of financial stability.

The problem is that there isn't any way to fix the problem because there are so many problems. You have to have multiple approaches, but often we want one solution to fit every situation and when it inevitably fails it is always the solution that is the problem, not the understanding of the complexities underlying homelessness.
 
2013-05-24 03:37:25 PM
My neighborhood is wealthy, we pay a shiatton in taxes, we have a lot of great amenities, we also have a shiatton of liberals in my county.  I'm liberal, for the most part, but when five homeless people decided to make the playground their home I did have a problem with it.  Then a few more, and a few more.  It was up to about twenty people living in the playground.  They would hope the fence and bathe in the pool at night, I would see them drunk in the pool chairs, nude, their clothes hanging on the fence to dry.  We would try and ask them to find somewhere else to stay, there are shelters for the homeless not far from there, but they weren't allowed to drink/drug at the shelters, better to live in the playground's castle building.  Then shiat from garages started getting stolen, cars broken into, kids getting harassed.  We had enough, tried to go to the community board meetings and nobody wanted to even talk about it.  Fortunately, we have some friends in the police dept and they persuaded them to leave.  Once they were gone we got to reclaim the playground and all the junk they left there.  We found out that like cats they treated the sandbox as a litter box, poop and sand and mulch stacked high, they would poop off the deck area into the pit.  The fire dept came out and used their hoses to blow it all into one area of the grass where it was left with cones blocking it off.  We went in with bleach and scrubbed it all down, a week later the kids were able to play in the park again.  I felt badly for the homeless, many are just nuts and don't want to live in an asylum, don't blame them, but still, it's not ok to be such a nuisance.  Many of the "homeless" in my area aren't even homeless, they're opportunists, they know they can take the subway to my neighborhood and stand on the median begging from money at all the cars that stop at the light.  Sometimes there are people at all four corners begging.
 
2013-05-24 03:40:52 PM
The whole "bussing people to other cities" has been around, or at least spoken of for some time.

In any place where you have an increase in authority at the expense of individual liberties, you'll get an uptick in abuses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sado,_Niigata

highlight:
A manpower shortage led to a second wave of "exiles" coming to Sado, although this time it was not imposed as a sentence for a committed crime. By sending homeless people (the number of whom was growing in Japanese cities at the time) to Sado from the 18th century, the Shogunate hoped to solve two problems with one move. The homeless were sent as water collectors and worked in extremely hard conditions, with a short life expectancy. The mine at its peak in the Edo era produced around 400 kg of gold a year (as well as some silver).
 
2013-05-24 03:41:18 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I know most of them are addicted or nuts. But if the homeless population ever did become unified. Perhaps a charismatic hobo rises up and teaches them to fight.

society as a whole will regret allowing the gestapo to steal from them. It will regret chasing away people who just tried to feed those folks.

enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all. Hoarding wealth while people hunger is like hoarding water when people are thirsty.

eventually they just kill you and take it


Here in DC they had a guy named IIRC Mitch Snyder. He was a homeless guy that was an advocate for the homless. He had them do marches protests until he killed himself in a shelter I think.
 
2013-05-24 03:43:00 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Dear Redbrigde Police: When did you decide not to honor our Veterans?

/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless


And do not draw first blood.
 
2013-05-24 03:44:52 PM
Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.
They use drugs, crap everywhere, deter business, camp out in restaurant and store bathrooms, panhandle aggressively and commit all kinds of petty crimes of opportunity.
It used to be an embarrassment to be homeless. The police would arrest and charge the homeless with vagrancy.
Nowadays everybody is in such a hurry to beat the next Prius over to the corner pan handling bum to give him an organic banana that nobody realizes what a bunch of self entitled a!*holes modern homeless people are. Go buy lunch in San Francisco and go sit down to eat at the park if you don't believe me. In fact, you probably can't get down to the park because the escalator is clogged with homeless people's feces and won't work anymore. (Happens all the time)

A missing sleeping bag would be the least of a homeless person's concerns if I had my way. I work hard every day to take care of myself and my family so I don't have to impose on others. I have no respect or empathy for people who leech off of society. Disabled veterans are a different story, of course.
 
2013-05-24 03:44:57 PM

Tom_Slick: In 1996 just ahead of the Olympics, Atlanta had a novel solution to the homeless problem, One-Way Bus Tickets anywhere in the US.  To hide the remaining homeless who stayed behind during the games they held a 3 week long party in a warehouse, with food, clothes, showers, booze, and beds.


For years, our town used that same same bus-ticket solution...so did a number of other towns in the area.  I don't think they thought their clever plan through.
 
2013-05-24 03:46:19 PM

Mad-n-FL: The Irresponsible Captain: Dear Redbrigde Police: When did you decide not to honor our Veterans?

/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless

And do not draw first blood.


Maybe there's a connection?
 
2013-05-24 03:48:36 PM
enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all.

People in the US already pay enough in taxes to take care of basics (food, medical, a place to sleep) for everyone in need.

Perhaps Mr Obama could end these stupid wars, and use that money ?

Regardless, the homeless shouldn't be out there. They fall into three categories:
1. Mentally ill, who should be in group homes.
2. People who enjoy such "camping", yet who are trespassing. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.
3. Those who have farked up their lives from drugs, who should be in group homes.
4. Those temporarily without a home. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.

Ta-farking-da, as they say. Homeless people and beggars suck balls, and they screw things up wherever they go. People who beg at highway interchanges and Walmart parking lots ALL have homes, they're just in it for the easy tax-free bucks.

Again, STFU if you're a liberal and you support President Drone and you complain there's no money for the poor. Stop the wars.
 
2013-05-24 03:49:19 PM

armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.


Any numbers on that?  Cause that sounds seriously " last option before eating a gun" level regarding life choices.
 
2013-05-24 03:50:05 PM

relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God


I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.
 
2013-05-24 03:51:14 PM
OK, let's go, move it out! You don't have to go home but you can't......oh.
 
2013-05-24 03:57:05 PM

armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.


bzzzt.  Wrong.  No more than 10~15% of homeless are homeless because they like the free and easy lifestyle.
 
2013-05-24 03:58:44 PM

hailin: relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God

I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.


I have always wondered, if you opened a shelter that allows say alcohol and pot, nothing harder, and offered low end jobs (say the guy who stands at road construction holding the "slow/stop' sign) as condition to live there (they get paid minimum wage and get to keep it all)  Would there be any takers?
 
2013-05-24 03:59:47 PM

TheSwissNavy: enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all.

People in the US already pay enough in taxes to take care of basics (food, medical, a place to sleep) for everyone in need.

Perhaps Mr Obama could end these stupid wars, and use that money ?

Regardless, the homeless shouldn't be out there. They fall into three categories:
1. Mentally ill, who should be in group homes.
2. People who enjoy such "camping", yet who are trespassing. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.
3. Those who have farked up their lives from drugs, who should be in group homes.
4. Those temporarily without a home. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.

Ta-farking-da, as they say. Homeless people and beggars suck balls, and they screw things up wherever they go. People who beg at highway interchanges and Walmart parking lots ALL have homes, they're just in it for the easy tax-free bucks.

Again, STFU if you're a liberal and you support President Drone and you complain there's no money for the poor. Stop the wars.


Wow, just wow.

/not going to bother with this
 
2013-05-24 04:03:02 PM
Pffft... half-measures. Why don't the cops just shoot them in the head while they're at it?

/am i kidding or serious?
//discuss...
 
2013-05-24 04:05:14 PM

Tom_Slick: hailin: relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God

I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.

I have always wondered, if you opened a shelter that allows say alcohol and pot, nothing harder, and offered low end jobs (say the guy who stands at road construction holding the "slow/stop' sign) as condition to live there (they get paid minimum wage and get to keep it all)  Would there be any takers?


I'd be willing to bet there would be some takers.  The problem is a majority of the homeless are unemployable due to mental health issues or drug and alcohol addiction.  Be interesting to see whether allowing somebody to have some hooch in their 8x8 plywood area would get them on the path to recovery or if they would still drink themselves into a stupor.  Seems like the homeless who are homeless simply because they can't afford a place to live would be all over it.
 
2013-05-24 04:08:29 PM
I really do try to be compassionate with the homeless, since really, at the end of the day, I'm the one going home to a nice, warm, dry home with food in the fridge and a proper bathroom, and they're sleeping in the Métro station or underneath a bridge.  But my tolerance runs out when they block the sidewalk with their garbage nests, smoke crack in the bus shelters, and shiat in the station escalators.
 
2013-05-24 04:14:05 PM

wambu: When you have them live near your house or business and are OK with that or actively work to provide the homeless shelter, food clothes and other services, I'll listen to your outrage over their treatment.

Until then STFU.


Note to the homeless: you're not qualified to speak on the subject.

/Heh. The homeless think they're people like you and me.
 
2013-05-24 04:15:07 PM

TheSwissNavy: enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all.

People in the US already pay enough in taxes to take care of basics (food, medical, a place to sleep) for everyone in need.

Perhaps Mr Obama could end these stupid wars, and use that money ?

Regardless, the homeless shouldn't be out there. They fall into three categories:
1. Mentally ill, who should be in group homes.
2. People who enjoy such "camping", yet who are trespassing. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.
3. Those who have farked up their lives from drugs, who should be in group homes.
4. Those temporarily without a home. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.

Ta-farking-da, as they say. Homeless people and beggars suck balls, and they screw things up wherever they go. People who beg at highway interchanges and Walmart parking lots ALL have homes, they're just in it for the easy tax-free bucks.

Again, STFU if you're a liberal and you support President Drone and you complain there's no money for the poor. Stop the wars.


I... wow. Brilliant. Nearly bought it hook, line & sinker.
 
2013-05-24 04:19:55 PM

TheSwissNavy: enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all.

People in the US already pay enough in taxes to take care of basics (food, medical, a place to sleep) for everyone in need.

Perhaps Mr Obama could end these stupid wars, and use that money ?

Regardless, the homeless shouldn't be out there. They fall into three categories:
1. Mentally ill, who should be in group homes.
2. People who enjoy such "camping", yet who are trespassing. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.
3. Those who have farked up their lives from drugs, who should be in group homes.
4. Those temporarily without a home. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.

Ta-farking-da, as they say. Homeless people and beggars suck balls, and they screw things up wherever they go. People who beg at highway interchanges and Walmart parking lots ALL have homes, they're just in it for the easy tax-free bucks.

Again, STFU if you're a liberal and you support President Drone and you complain there's no money for the poor. Stop the wars.


You realize Iraq has ended, Afghanistan ends next year, and "President Drone" is actively campaigning for the repeal of the AUMF, right?

/other than that, yeah, we definitely should be doing more for the homeless
 
2013-05-24 04:21:44 PM

relaxitsjustme: armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.

bzzzt.  Wrong.  No more than 10~15% of homeless are homeless because they like the free and easy lifestyle.


Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

Now go get back into your Prius and take your smug half-assed smile someplace else.
 
2013-05-24 04:23:44 PM
That is very Republican of them, though it is hard to pull yourself up by your boot straps if they have been confiscated.
 
2013-05-24 04:24:34 PM
Next step: import plague-bearing rats to take care of the poor for us.
 
2013-05-24 04:25:59 PM

dv-ous: But this is the UK - The Daily Mail assures me that the welfare administration spends billions of dollars just to  find every last poor person they can, and then showers them in the wealth of the hardworking, unfairly taxed "real" Brits.

I've met too many homeless people who were their own worst enemies to really get up a sense of outrage, though.


You are just supposed to hate poor people, not think this through.
 
2013-05-24 04:27:52 PM

EkimProx: If I'm walking down the street, I really don't like seeing people sleeping on it. Street is for walking, not sleeping. Learn to sleep walk or get the fark out.


I bet you hate when people graze their sheep on your land too.
 
2013-05-24 04:28:13 PM
It's about damn time. Fark those smelly bums. Go find somewhere else to be drunk and annoying.
 
2013-05-24 04:31:29 PM

armor helix: relaxitsjustme: armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.

bzzzt.  Wrong.  No more than 10~15% of homeless are homeless because they like the free and easy lifestyle.

Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

Now go get back into your Prius and take your smug half-assed smile someplace else.


Well I guess if you get to make up your own definitions then you're always going to be correct.  Brilliant!

/doesn't own a Prius and I'm in a shaitty mode today so fark you too.
 
2013-05-24 04:33:09 PM

hailin: relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God

I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.


Well it's more like if you screw up just once you lose your spot and god help you getting anywhere because there are waiting lists.Very long waiting lists. the shelters without waiting lists you have to leave with all your stuff on your most of the day and get back in line later in the evening. You will have your things on you and still be homeless.

I'm more of an expert on youth homelessness. If you are a homeless teenager in DC there are waiting lists 8-12 months long just to get in somewhere. There are about 100 beds, both emergency housing and long term shelter, in this city. The one place with  emergency beds is not LGBT friendly (and by friendly I mean staff is hostile and some turn away openly gay kids) and roughly 40% of homeless youth are such, We have a homeless youth population of 800-1400. Yes they turn to drugs and alcohol because they are farking homeless and you can get a high and forget way cheaper and easier than you can find a place to live.Especially when a number of them are turning to prostitution. If you had to let some 55 year old guy fark your ass so you could get some food would you want to be sober for it?
 
2013-05-24 04:36:20 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Dear Redbrigde Police: When did you decide not to honor our Veterans?

/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless


In  America.  This happened in the UK. Vets were 6% of the homeless pop. there  in 2008, down  from 20% in 1999.

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/media/31582/LitRev_UKVetsHomelessnes s. pdf
 
2013-05-24 04:38:24 PM

Tom_Slick: hailin: relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God

I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.

I have always wondered, if you opened a shelter that allows say alcohol and pot, nothing harder, and offered low end jobs (say the guy who stands at road construction holding the "slow/stop' sign) as condition to live there (they get paid minimum wage and get to keep it all)  Would there be any takers?


That sign holding job pays over $40 an hour. Most homeless are unemployable because of mental health and/or addiction and/or legal issues. Unlike the learned genius' in the thread going off their "gut" feeling that their is plenty of shelter space or homelessness is a choice, I have spent 20 years working directly with various federal programs attempting to obtain grant moneys. I have written several grants specifically for substance abuse rehabilitation for the homeless, mental health services (specifically crisis intervention and stabilization), and emergency health intervention and placement. The resources available (and, I'm using a perfect model) may be sufficient to meet 20% of the need with private and religious foundations capable of meeting maybe 10-15% (once again, best case scenario). To claim anything else is remarkable ignorant or dishonest, and it's heartless whichever side of the coin you land on. America is a terrible place to be a needy person, that is the bottom line. Maybe not as bad as Somalia, but is that the standard we want to be measured to? Now, I'm sure we'll have plenty of bootstrappy people with horror stories about the poors peeing in public, sleeping in doorsteps, and all the other things that offend their delicately sensibilities because people with mental illness are to be scorned, punished, and derided for their refusal to embrace the gift of self sufficiency that Saint Regan's gutting of our mental healthcare system has given them. It gives you a pretty disgusting glimpse into the the cruel nature of our "christian conservative" nation.
 
2013-05-24 04:44:54 PM

relaxitsjustme: armor helix: relaxitsjustme: armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.

bzzzt.  Wrong.  No more than 10~15% of homeless are homeless because they like the free and easy lifestyle.

Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

Now go get back into your Prius and take your smug half-assed smile someplace else.

Well I guess if you get to make up your own definitions then you're always going to be correct.  Brilliant!

/doesn't own a Prius and I'm in a shaitty mode today so fark you too.


Hopefully in the near future you will either be the victim of a petty crime of opportunity, or find a used syringe on your property when letting your dog out, or maybe discover some human feces surrounded by poopy Wendy's napkins that some crack-headed bum used to wipe with. Then you will realize what an idiot you are for thinking that all homeless people are downtrodden victims that need our hard-earned food and money.
 
2013-05-24 04:45:17 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I know most of them are addicted or nuts. But if the homeless population ever did become unified. Perhaps a charismatic hobo rises up and teaches them to fight.

society as a whole will regret allowing the gestapo to steal from them. It will regret chasing away people who just tried to feed those folks.

enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all. Hoarding wealth while people hunger is like hoarding water when people are thirsty.

eventually they just kill you and take it


Chronic homeless is like 128k people at a given time in the USA.

What is an 00.03% population going to do everyone in the USA. That is effectively 0%.

If you throw in people mooching off government housing you get maybe 0.2% of the population. Still not a sizable amount of people to cause a problem.
 
2013-05-24 04:50:59 PM

Evil Mackerel: Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?

If your not cop , your little people.


Umm... How did you mess up "you're" twice?
 
2013-05-24 04:52:45 PM

MethylTryp: Yeah I'm actually OK with this.


May you end up homeless and have to learn a hard lesson.
 
2013-05-24 04:53:05 PM

Texas Gabe: How is this not outright theft? Confiscating food? What. The. FARK.


It's only stealing if you take things from people. The homeless don't count, silly.

*shrugs*

Power tends to abuse the politically convenient. The homeless are about as convenient a target as you can pick. Cops do shiat like this because they can, without fear of push back. The homeless themselves aren't going to do anything about it. And if broader society actually cared anything about the homeless, they probably wouldn't be in the position to have their stuff stolen by the cops in the first place. "Rights" are just a meaningless abstraction if there is no actual way of enforcing them. The homeless? Pretty much farked.

blog.ascentis.com
 
2013-05-24 04:53:18 PM

Intrepid00: teenage mutant ninja rapist: I know most of them are addicted or nuts. But if the homeless population ever did become unified. Perhaps a charismatic hobo rises up and teaches them to fight.

society as a whole will regret allowing the gestapo to steal from them. It will regret chasing away people who just tried to feed those folks.

enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all. Hoarding wealth while people hunger is like hoarding water when people are thirsty.

eventually they just kill you and take it

Chronic homeless is like 128k people at a given time in the USA.

What is an 00.03% population going to do everyone in the USA. That is effectively 0%.

If you throw in people mooching off government housing you get maybe 0.2% of the population. Still not a sizable amount of people to cause a problem.


You're a liar. Per the 2009 Annual Homeless Assessment Report there are 650,000 absolute homeless homeless on any given night in america. As many as 3.5 million experience homelessness in a given year. (1% of the entire population). Jesus christ, how evil do you have to be to lie about statistics like that?
 
2013-05-24 04:57:09 PM

Notabunny: iheartscotch: Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?

I'm not sure that's a thing in England.

/ not a barrister;

// very tempted to make a reference to Dim of The yard; but, I don't think anybody saw that episode of Monty Python but me

Oh. Yeah. Ok, I admit I skimmed TFA while swilling beer #2. I suck. Hola, los huddled masses of Limies! Come to America. There are laws against this kind of crap here. Also, to us your accent sounds intelligent and persuasive no matter what you say. So we're likely to do what you say and give you stuff. Plus, we have sun.


Do you seriously want to move them here just because you like their accent? I don't want to sound harsh or anything but we have plenty of our own that need to be taken care of before we go inviting more. It's sort of like that pet conversation your parents probably had with you when you asked for a second dog.
 
2013-05-24 05:01:53 PM

armor helix: relaxitsjustme: armor helix: relaxitsjustme: armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.

bzzzt.  Wrong.  No more than 10~15% of homeless are homeless because they like the free and easy lifestyle.

Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

Now go get back into your Prius and take your smug half-assed smile someplace else.

Well I guess if you get to make up your own definitions then you're always going to be correct.  Brilliant!

/doesn't own a Prius and I'm in a shaitty mode today so fark you too.

Hopefully in the near future you will either be the victim of a petty crime of opportunity, or find a used syringe on your property when letting your dog out, or maybe discover some human feces surrounded by poopy Wendy's napkins that some crack-headed bum used to wipe with. Then you will realize what an idiot you are for thinking that all homeless people are downtrodden victims that need our hard-earned food and money.


And hopefully in the near future you or somebody you care about will find themselves homeless and in need of a place to shait but with zero public bathroom options or so tormented by PTSD that getting high or drunk is the best medication.  Maybe then you will realize what an idiot you are for thinking all homeless people are there because 'Hey free sandwiches at the Salvation Army'

/two can play this game
//but I'm done.
 
2013-05-24 05:06:55 PM
"The police. Saviours of society, defenders of our liberties, protectors of the poor... "

L.O.L.
 
2013-05-24 05:07:16 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I know most of them are addicted or nuts. But if the homeless population ever did become unified. Perhaps a charismatic hobo rises up and teaches them to fight.


He might rally a miinority of the chronically homeless - those who've been homeless a year or more.  Chronically homeless were about 16% of 632K total in 2011, so roughly 100K.  The rest don't have strong investment in homeless issues - they're just "temporarily down on our luck" - so they won't join a movement.

http://www.endhomelessness.org/pages/snapshot_of_homelessness

FWIW, 16% of homeless adults were vets in that one-day snapshot, not 1 in 4.  Homeless vet pop decreased 7% from 2010.

Federal housing assistance for the homeless was $1.9 billion; it would take about $20 billion to house all the homeless for a year.  I'd say it's doable and should be done.

These UK cops should be buried atop the shredded corpse of their chief.
 
2013-05-24 05:09:59 PM

Gwendolyn: If you had to let some 55 year old guy fark your ass so you could get some food would you want to be sober for it?


Yes. I'm not sober for much but I'd want to be sober for that.

Well, probably not the second or third time. The first time I'd want to be sober though.
 
2013-05-24 05:10:07 PM
On the internet, people love the homeless, gays, atheists, minorities, special needs children , etc.....

In real life, not so much.
 
2013-05-24 05:19:13 PM

wambu: When you have them live near your house or business and are OK with that or actively work to provide the homeless shelter, food clothes and other services, I'll listen to your outrage over their treatment.

Until then STFU.


It's cute how people like yourself, wambu, tend to think OTHER anonymous strangers on the internet want to live up to your expectations, or even care what you want to hear/read from the others. It's a bit of egocentric tripe, don't you think? (Of course you don't.)
 
2013-05-24 05:19:57 PM

Bender The Offender: Tom_Slick: hailin: relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God

I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.

I have always wondered, if you opened a shelter that allows say alcohol and pot, nothing harder, and offered low end jobs (say the guy who stands at road construction holding the "slow/stop' sign) as condition to live there (they get paid minimum wage and get to keep it all)  Would there be any takers?

That sign holding job pays over $40 an hour. Most homeless are unemployable because of mental health and/or addiction and/or legal issues. Unlike the learned genius' in the thread going off their "gut" feeling that their is plenty of shelter space or homelessness is a choice, I have spent 20 years working directly with various federal programs attempting to obtain grant moneys. I have written several grants specifically for substance abuse rehabilitation for the homeless, mental health services (specifically crisis intervention and stabilization), and emergency health intervention and placement. The resources available (and, I'm using a perfect model) may be sufficient to meet 20% of the need with private and religious foundations capable of meeting maybe 10-15% (once again, best case scenario). To claim anything else is remarkable ignorant or dishonest, and it's heartless whichever side of the coin you land on. America is a terrible place to be a needy person, that is the bottom line. Maybe not as bad as Somalia, but is that the standard we want to be measured to? Now, I'm sure we'll have plenty of bootstrappy people with horror stories about the poors peeing in public, sleeping in doorsteps, and all the other things that offend their delicately sensibilities because people with mental illness are to be scorned, punished, and derided for their refusal to embrace the gift of self sufficiency that Saint Regan's gutting of our mental healthcare system has given them. It gives you a pretty disgusting glimpse into the the cruel nature of our "christian conservative" nation.


Flaggers make at best 20 an hour in Canada, and that's really experienced ones and depends where you live. I work in New Brunswick, just got my certification for the first time and make $10.25 an hour. I think 40 an hour is a bit high...
 
2013-05-24 05:20:40 PM

TheSwissNavy: Again, STFU if you're a liberal and you support President Drone and you complain there's no money for the poor. Stop the wars.


Problem is that the money saved on wars would not be put to use on services for the poor.

Your warehouse/group home solutions solve only the problem of getting homeless people out of sight.
 
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