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2013-05-24 02:38:22 PM  
#$&ing nanny state and their cradle to grave care of people!

Person takes other person's stuff : Theft.
Person with badge takes other person's stuff: Confiscation.
 
2013-05-24 02:54:47 PM  
i411.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-24 02:54:58 PM  
They are still playing nice, in a few years people will just disappear.
 
2013-05-24 02:55:29 PM  
If I'm walking down the street, I really don't like seeing people sleeping on it. Street is for walking, not sleeping. Learn to sleep walk or get the fark out.
 
2013-05-24 02:55:55 PM  
"The public rely on police to reduce the negative impact of rough sleepers"

Take away their stuff and they're still homeless. The only way that this strategy could solve the problem is if the homeless people froze or starved to death.

Sick.
 
2013-05-24 02:56:10 PM  
But this is the UK - The Daily Mail assures me that the welfare administration spends billions of dollars just to  find every last poor person they can, and then showers them in the wealth of the hardworking, unfairly taxed "real" Brits.

I've met too many homeless people who were their own worst enemies to really get up a sense of outrage, though.
 
2013-05-24 02:57:03 PM  
Dear Redbrigde Police: When did you decide not to honor our Veterans?

/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless
 
2013-05-24 02:57:56 PM  
Nothing to see here, just fascism at play
 
2013-05-24 02:58:35 PM  
Yeah I'm actually OK with this.
 
2013-05-24 02:59:27 PM  
I'm not saying you have to go home... but you can't stay here.

img2-1.timeinc.net
 
2013-05-24 02:59:53 PM  
Hey, I used to be homeless, but now I have a home, and you know what? The government still takes my stuff. Well, they take my money before I can buy stuff with it.
 
2013-05-24 03:00:15 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Dear Redbrigde Police: When did you decide not to honor our Veterans?

/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless


www.movievortex.com
 
2013-05-24 03:00:24 PM  
Poverty is a crime.
 
2013-05-24 03:00:24 PM  
Keep your crap off the sidewalk and put it behind the dumpster where it belongs.
 
2013-05-24 03:03:01 PM  
Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?
 
2013-05-24 03:03:06 PM  
Your "heroes" at work, eh?
 
Ehh
2013-05-24 03:05:13 PM  
This is pretty much the approach Orwell described in The Road to Wigan Pier. Some things never change.
 
2013-05-24 03:06:23 PM  
Surely the can't be legally able to do that. That's shocking :/
 
2013-05-24 03:06:31 PM  

Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?


If your not cop , your little people.
 
2013-05-24 03:07:18 PM  
How is this not outright theft? Confiscating food? What. The. FARK.
 
2013-05-24 03:07:20 PM  

Tunney: "The public rely on police to reduce the negative impact of rough sleepers"

Take away their stuff and they're still homeless. The only way that this strategy could solve the problem is if the homeless people froze or starved to death.

Sick.


Sounds like a final solution to the homeless problem.

/ I bet you did nazi that coming

// I keed, I keed
 
2013-05-24 03:08:16 PM  
I don't wanna sound all, like, bleeding heart or anything, but didn't the human race build all this nifty sh*t to serve the human race, not the other way around?
 
2013-05-24 03:11:05 PM  
In 1996 just ahead of the Olympics, Atlanta had a novel solution to the homeless problem, One-Way Bus Tickets anywhere in the US.  To hide the remaining homeless who stayed behind during the games they held a 3 week long party in a warehouse, with food, clothes, showers, booze, and beds.
 
2013-05-24 03:11:07 PM  

Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?


I'm not sure that's a thing in England.

/ not a barrister;

// very tempted to make a reference to Dim of The yard; but, I don't think anybody saw that episode of Monty Python but me
 
2013-05-24 03:12:57 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?

If your not cop , your little people.


Y'know, I'm pretty pro-cop. But does every single agency have to be sued? Don't they have a listserv or something? Jeesh!
 
2013-05-24 03:13:00 PM  

blatz514: The Irresponsible Captain: Dear Redbrigde Police: When did you decide not to honor our Veterans?

/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless

[www.movievortex.com image 445x649]


Where did you get that set of stats from?
 
2013-05-24 03:13:49 PM  

Tom_Slick: In 1996 just ahead of the Olympics, Atlanta had a novel solution to the homeless problem, One-Way Bus Tickets anywhere in the US.  To hide the remaining homeless who stayed behind during the games they held a 3 week long party in a warehouse, with food, clothes, showers, booze, and beds.


yeah but was it an open bar?
 
2013-05-24 03:13:54 PM  
LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God
 
2013-05-24 03:14:09 PM  

NathanAllen: I'm not saying you have to go home... but you can't stay here.

[img2-1.timeinc.net image 352x363]


^^ CAME FOR THIS !! ^^

/you want a war you can't win?
 
2013-05-24 03:16:05 PM  
Following the tradition of police everywhere.    To me they have been criminals with badges for a long time.
 
2013-05-24 03:17:20 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Tom_Slick: In 1996 just ahead of the Olympics, Atlanta had a novel solution to the homeless problem, One-Way Bus Tickets anywhere in the US.  To hide the remaining homeless who stayed behind during the games they held a 3 week long party in a warehouse, with food, clothes, showers, booze, and beds.

yeah but was it an open bar?


Yes, I think they got Budweiser to pay for beer, and since the state of Georgia has the most corrupt hard liquor distribution laws in the country, the disturbers had to pony up Hard Liquor as tribute.
 
2013-05-24 03:17:31 PM  

Notabunny: Evil Mackerel: Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?

If your not cop , your little people.

Y'know, I'm pretty pro-cop. But does every single agency have to be sued? Don't they have a listserv or something? Jeesh!


So your not a "Blade Runner" fan.
 
2013-05-24 03:17:42 PM  

Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?


The article doesn't specify, but if they're anything like our homeless population, they just leave their stuff sitting outside of whatever building they slept next to all day long while they're off doing other things.  So long as they're there with their stuff, I don't see any reason to take it, but if they just leave it on the sidewalk or wherever, then it should be fair game to disappear.
 
2013-05-24 03:18:22 PM  

Askura: blatz514: The Irresponsible Captain: Dear Redbrigde Police: When did you decide not to honor our Veterans?

/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless

[www.movievortex.com image 445x649]

Where did you get that set of stats from?


Fark, it's Friday. 1 in 4 homeless are Veterans. In the U.S. Apparently this is across the pond. I'm going home now. I can't brain anymore.
 
2013-05-24 03:18:48 PM  
THIS IS WHY FARTBONGO WANTS TO TAKE OUR GUNS
 
2013-05-24 03:20:10 PM  
HindiDiscoMonster has trouble reading to the ends of sentences, I think.
 
2013-05-24 03:20:20 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: /1 in 4 Veterans are homeless


There's no way that's true. Are you sure it's not the other way around, that 1 in 4 homeless people are veterans?
 
2013-05-24 03:20:26 PM  
What's all this then?
 
2013-05-24 03:21:33 PM  
I know most of them are addicted or nuts. But if the homeless population ever did become unified. Perhaps a charismatic hobo rises up and teaches them to fight.

society as a whole will regret allowing the gestapo to steal from them. It will regret chasing away people who just tried to feed those folks.

enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all. Hoarding wealth while people hunger is like hoarding water when people are thirsty.

eventually they just kill you and take it
 
2013-05-24 03:21:38 PM  
As if they're going to stop sleeping on the street.
 
2013-05-24 03:21:39 PM  
When you have them live near your house or business and are OK with that or actively work to provide the homeless shelter, food clothes and other services, I'll listen to your outrage over their treatment.

Until then STFU.
 
2013-05-24 03:21:40 PM  
Go be fat homeless somewhere else.
 
2013-05-24 03:21:45 PM  

iheartscotch: Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?

I'm not sure that's a thing in England.

/ not a barrister;

// very tempted to make a reference to Dim of The yard; but, I don't think anybody saw that episode of Monty Python but me


Oh. Yeah. Ok, I admit I skimmed TFA while swilling beer #2. I suck. Hola, los huddled masses of Limies! Come to America. There are laws against this kind of crap here. Also, to us your accent sounds intelligent and persuasive no matter what you say. So we're likely to do what you say and give you stuff. Plus, we have sun.
 
2013-05-24 03:22:05 PM  

Begoggle: THIS IS WHY FARTBONGO WANTS TO TAKE OUR GUNS


I can't really score this but it's got that "I am being ironic" schtick and just enough "explosive fart in church" thing going to get a giggle.
 
2013-05-24 03:22:27 PM  

mathmonkey: HindiDiscoMonster has trouble reading to the ends of sentences, I think.


i am not knowing what you are meaning sir.....
SIR
SIR
 
2013-05-24 03:23:08 PM  
Back in the winter of '88-89 the city of Seattle chartered some buses, lured homeless people onto them with some cynical ruse, drove them down to San Francisco and dropped them off. I thought it was pretty amusing, but I was doing a lot of acid back then so most things were pretty and amusing.
 
2013-05-24 03:23:36 PM  

jaybeezey: What's all this then?


All the poor people that 35 years of "hooray for me, f*ck you" as an economic management scheme created coming back to piss in the petunias.
 
2013-05-24 03:24:52 PM  

bunner: Begoggle: THIS IS WHY FARTBONGO WANTS TO TAKE OUR GUNS

I can't really score this but it's got that "I am being ironic" schtick and just enough "explosive fart in church" thing going to get a giggle.


rumble farts are much funnier in church... you know the ones that go pop, pop, pop... like 30 times in a row in rapid succession and reverb nicely on those wooden pews....

/huhuhuh PEW...
 
2013-05-24 03:25:05 PM  

EkimProx: If I'm walking down the street, I really don't like seeing people sleeping on it. Street is for walking, not sleeping. Learn to sleep walk or get the fark out.


If I'm driving down the street, I really don't like seeing people walking on it. Street is for driving, not walking. Buy a car or get the fark out.
 
2013-05-24 03:26:08 PM  

wambu: When you have them live near your house or business and are OK with that or actively work to provide the homeless shelter, food clothes and other services, I'll listen to your outrage over their treatment.

Until then STFU.


You statement is ridiculous. STFU.
 
2013-05-24 03:26:34 PM  
had to kick a homeless guy out of the doorway of my building a few months ago. I mean, it's bad enough that I'm gonna literally have to step over you to get in and out but when you're pissing on my front door, it's time to go
 
2013-05-24 03:27:46 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Street is for driving, not walking. Buy a car or get the fark out.


Use the bumper that's why it's there.
 
2013-05-24 03:28:34 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Notabunny: Evil Mackerel: Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?

If your not cop , your little people.

Y'know, I'm pretty pro-cop. But does every single agency have to be sued? Don't they have a listserv or something? Jeesh!

So your not a "Blade Runner" fan.


Sorry, but my brain shut off when Daryl Hannah's Pris walked on purple monkey sponge bat
 
2013-05-24 03:32:10 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: EkimProx: If I'm walking down the street, I really don't like seeing people sleeping on it. Street is for walking, not sleeping. Learn to sleep walk or get the fark out.

If I'm driving down the street, I really don't like seeing people walking on it. Street is for driving, not walking. Buy a car or get the fark out.


As the Arthur theme song goes: "Everyday when you're walking down the street"
 
2013-05-24 03:36:28 PM  
The problem is that a lot of long-term homeless people do not want to live any other way. I've talked with people who were homeless for years at a time and they loved not having responsibilities, they felt a certain freedom and enjoyed everything but the insults and degradation heaped on them by others. For them it was a lifestyle choice, a rejection of materialism and a rebellion against a system that they felt had already screwed them over.

Then there were a lot of others who were literally dumped on the streets when the state mental hospital was shut down. Still a lot of them in Indianapolis.

Then there are the short term homeless, often families or women with children. When I was attending college, the dean's office confided in me that 10% of their students were homeless at any given time and 25% of their students would be homeless at some point in their college years. The faculty and staff have an unofficial fund they contribute to so they could help out the occasional student in crisis but there was no way to reach everyone in a meaningful way. Most of the students there were nontraditional and had children. I know that a shockingly high percent of homeless people are actually children whose parents simply lack any sort of financial stability.

The problem is that there isn't any way to fix the problem because there are so many problems. You have to have multiple approaches, but often we want one solution to fit every situation and when it inevitably fails it is always the solution that is the problem, not the understanding of the complexities underlying homelessness.
 
2013-05-24 03:37:25 PM  
My neighborhood is wealthy, we pay a shiatton in taxes, we have a lot of great amenities, we also have a shiatton of liberals in my county.  I'm liberal, for the most part, but when five homeless people decided to make the playground their home I did have a problem with it.  Then a few more, and a few more.  It was up to about twenty people living in the playground.  They would hope the fence and bathe in the pool at night, I would see them drunk in the pool chairs, nude, their clothes hanging on the fence to dry.  We would try and ask them to find somewhere else to stay, there are shelters for the homeless not far from there, but they weren't allowed to drink/drug at the shelters, better to live in the playground's castle building.  Then shiat from garages started getting stolen, cars broken into, kids getting harassed.  We had enough, tried to go to the community board meetings and nobody wanted to even talk about it.  Fortunately, we have some friends in the police dept and they persuaded them to leave.  Once they were gone we got to reclaim the playground and all the junk they left there.  We found out that like cats they treated the sandbox as a litter box, poop and sand and mulch stacked high, they would poop off the deck area into the pit.  The fire dept came out and used their hoses to blow it all into one area of the grass where it was left with cones blocking it off.  We went in with bleach and scrubbed it all down, a week later the kids were able to play in the park again.  I felt badly for the homeless, many are just nuts and don't want to live in an asylum, don't blame them, but still, it's not ok to be such a nuisance.  Many of the "homeless" in my area aren't even homeless, they're opportunists, they know they can take the subway to my neighborhood and stand on the median begging from money at all the cars that stop at the light.  Sometimes there are people at all four corners begging.
 
2013-05-24 03:40:52 PM  
The whole "bussing people to other cities" has been around, or at least spoken of for some time.

In any place where you have an increase in authority at the expense of individual liberties, you'll get an uptick in abuses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sado,_Niigata

highlight:
A manpower shortage led to a second wave of "exiles" coming to Sado, although this time it was not imposed as a sentence for a committed crime. By sending homeless people (the number of whom was growing in Japanese cities at the time) to Sado from the 18th century, the Shogunate hoped to solve two problems with one move. The homeless were sent as water collectors and worked in extremely hard conditions, with a short life expectancy. The mine at its peak in the Edo era produced around 400 kg of gold a year (as well as some silver).
 
2013-05-24 03:41:18 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I know most of them are addicted or nuts. But if the homeless population ever did become unified. Perhaps a charismatic hobo rises up and teaches them to fight.

society as a whole will regret allowing the gestapo to steal from them. It will regret chasing away people who just tried to feed those folks.

enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all. Hoarding wealth while people hunger is like hoarding water when people are thirsty.

eventually they just kill you and take it


Here in DC they had a guy named IIRC Mitch Snyder. He was a homeless guy that was an advocate for the homless. He had them do marches protests until he killed himself in a shelter I think.
 
2013-05-24 03:43:00 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Dear Redbrigde Police: When did you decide not to honor our Veterans?

/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless


And do not draw first blood.
 
2013-05-24 03:44:52 PM  
Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.
They use drugs, crap everywhere, deter business, camp out in restaurant and store bathrooms, panhandle aggressively and commit all kinds of petty crimes of opportunity.
It used to be an embarrassment to be homeless. The police would arrest and charge the homeless with vagrancy.
Nowadays everybody is in such a hurry to beat the next Prius over to the corner pan handling bum to give him an organic banana that nobody realizes what a bunch of self entitled a!*holes modern homeless people are. Go buy lunch in San Francisco and go sit down to eat at the park if you don't believe me. In fact, you probably can't get down to the park because the escalator is clogged with homeless people's feces and won't work anymore. (Happens all the time)

A missing sleeping bag would be the least of a homeless person's concerns if I had my way. I work hard every day to take care of myself and my family so I don't have to impose on others. I have no respect or empathy for people who leech off of society. Disabled veterans are a different story, of course.
 
2013-05-24 03:44:57 PM  

Tom_Slick: In 1996 just ahead of the Olympics, Atlanta had a novel solution to the homeless problem, One-Way Bus Tickets anywhere in the US.  To hide the remaining homeless who stayed behind during the games they held a 3 week long party in a warehouse, with food, clothes, showers, booze, and beds.


For years, our town used that same same bus-ticket solution...so did a number of other towns in the area.  I don't think they thought their clever plan through.
 
2013-05-24 03:46:19 PM  

Mad-n-FL: The Irresponsible Captain: Dear Redbrigde Police: When did you decide not to honor our Veterans?

/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless

And do not draw first blood.


Maybe there's a connection?
 
2013-05-24 03:48:36 PM  
enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all.

People in the US already pay enough in taxes to take care of basics (food, medical, a place to sleep) for everyone in need.

Perhaps Mr Obama could end these stupid wars, and use that money ?

Regardless, the homeless shouldn't be out there. They fall into three categories:
1. Mentally ill, who should be in group homes.
2. People who enjoy such "camping", yet who are trespassing. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.
3. Those who have farked up their lives from drugs, who should be in group homes.
4. Those temporarily without a home. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.

Ta-farking-da, as they say. Homeless people and beggars suck balls, and they screw things up wherever they go. People who beg at highway interchanges and Walmart parking lots ALL have homes, they're just in it for the easy tax-free bucks.

Again, STFU if you're a liberal and you support President Drone and you complain there's no money for the poor. Stop the wars.
 
2013-05-24 03:49:19 PM  

armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.


Any numbers on that?  Cause that sounds seriously " last option before eating a gun" level regarding life choices.
 
2013-05-24 03:50:05 PM  

relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God


I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.
 
2013-05-24 03:51:14 PM  
OK, let's go, move it out! You don't have to go home but you can't......oh.
 
2013-05-24 03:57:05 PM  

armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.


bzzzt.  Wrong.  No more than 10~15% of homeless are homeless because they like the free and easy lifestyle.
 
2013-05-24 03:58:44 PM  

hailin: relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God

I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.


I have always wondered, if you opened a shelter that allows say alcohol and pot, nothing harder, and offered low end jobs (say the guy who stands at road construction holding the "slow/stop' sign) as condition to live there (they get paid minimum wage and get to keep it all)  Would there be any takers?
 
2013-05-24 03:59:47 PM  

TheSwissNavy: enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all.

People in the US already pay enough in taxes to take care of basics (food, medical, a place to sleep) for everyone in need.

Perhaps Mr Obama could end these stupid wars, and use that money ?

Regardless, the homeless shouldn't be out there. They fall into three categories:
1. Mentally ill, who should be in group homes.
2. People who enjoy such "camping", yet who are trespassing. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.
3. Those who have farked up their lives from drugs, who should be in group homes.
4. Those temporarily without a home. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.

Ta-farking-da, as they say. Homeless people and beggars suck balls, and they screw things up wherever they go. People who beg at highway interchanges and Walmart parking lots ALL have homes, they're just in it for the easy tax-free bucks.

Again, STFU if you're a liberal and you support President Drone and you complain there's no money for the poor. Stop the wars.


Wow, just wow.

/not going to bother with this
 
2013-05-24 04:03:02 PM  
Pffft... half-measures. Why don't the cops just shoot them in the head while they're at it?

/am i kidding or serious?
//discuss...
 
2013-05-24 04:05:14 PM  

Tom_Slick: hailin: relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God

I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.

I have always wondered, if you opened a shelter that allows say alcohol and pot, nothing harder, and offered low end jobs (say the guy who stands at road construction holding the "slow/stop' sign) as condition to live there (they get paid minimum wage and get to keep it all)  Would there be any takers?


I'd be willing to bet there would be some takers.  The problem is a majority of the homeless are unemployable due to mental health issues or drug and alcohol addiction.  Be interesting to see whether allowing somebody to have some hooch in their 8x8 plywood area would get them on the path to recovery or if they would still drink themselves into a stupor.  Seems like the homeless who are homeless simply because they can't afford a place to live would be all over it.
 
2013-05-24 04:08:29 PM  
I really do try to be compassionate with the homeless, since really, at the end of the day, I'm the one going home to a nice, warm, dry home with food in the fridge and a proper bathroom, and they're sleeping in the Métro station or underneath a bridge.  But my tolerance runs out when they block the sidewalk with their garbage nests, smoke crack in the bus shelters, and shiat in the station escalators.
 
2013-05-24 04:14:05 PM  

wambu: When you have them live near your house or business and are OK with that or actively work to provide the homeless shelter, food clothes and other services, I'll listen to your outrage over their treatment.

Until then STFU.


Note to the homeless: you're not qualified to speak on the subject.

/Heh. The homeless think they're people like you and me.
 
2013-05-24 04:15:07 PM  

TheSwissNavy: enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all.

People in the US already pay enough in taxes to take care of basics (food, medical, a place to sleep) for everyone in need.

Perhaps Mr Obama could end these stupid wars, and use that money ?

Regardless, the homeless shouldn't be out there. They fall into three categories:
1. Mentally ill, who should be in group homes.
2. People who enjoy such "camping", yet who are trespassing. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.
3. Those who have farked up their lives from drugs, who should be in group homes.
4. Those temporarily without a home. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.

Ta-farking-da, as they say. Homeless people and beggars suck balls, and they screw things up wherever they go. People who beg at highway interchanges and Walmart parking lots ALL have homes, they're just in it for the easy tax-free bucks.

Again, STFU if you're a liberal and you support President Drone and you complain there's no money for the poor. Stop the wars.


I... wow. Brilliant. Nearly bought it hook, line & sinker.
 
2013-05-24 04:19:55 PM  

TheSwissNavy: enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all.

People in the US already pay enough in taxes to take care of basics (food, medical, a place to sleep) for everyone in need.

Perhaps Mr Obama could end these stupid wars, and use that money ?

Regardless, the homeless shouldn't be out there. They fall into three categories:
1. Mentally ill, who should be in group homes.
2. People who enjoy such "camping", yet who are trespassing. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.
3. Those who have farked up their lives from drugs, who should be in group homes.
4. Those temporarily without a home. Give them a cot in a warehouse or similar barracks-style accomodation.

Ta-farking-da, as they say. Homeless people and beggars suck balls, and they screw things up wherever they go. People who beg at highway interchanges and Walmart parking lots ALL have homes, they're just in it for the easy tax-free bucks.

Again, STFU if you're a liberal and you support President Drone and you complain there's no money for the poor. Stop the wars.


You realize Iraq has ended, Afghanistan ends next year, and "President Drone" is actively campaigning for the repeal of the AUMF, right?

/other than that, yeah, we definitely should be doing more for the homeless
 
2013-05-24 04:21:44 PM  

relaxitsjustme: armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.

bzzzt.  Wrong.  No more than 10~15% of homeless are homeless because they like the free and easy lifestyle.


Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

Now go get back into your Prius and take your smug half-assed smile someplace else.
 
2013-05-24 04:23:44 PM  
That is very Republican of them, though it is hard to pull yourself up by your boot straps if they have been confiscated.
 
2013-05-24 04:24:34 PM  
Next step: import plague-bearing rats to take care of the poor for us.
 
2013-05-24 04:25:59 PM  

dv-ous: But this is the UK - The Daily Mail assures me that the welfare administration spends billions of dollars just to  find every last poor person they can, and then showers them in the wealth of the hardworking, unfairly taxed "real" Brits.

I've met too many homeless people who were their own worst enemies to really get up a sense of outrage, though.


You are just supposed to hate poor people, not think this through.
 
2013-05-24 04:27:52 PM  

EkimProx: If I'm walking down the street, I really don't like seeing people sleeping on it. Street is for walking, not sleeping. Learn to sleep walk or get the fark out.


I bet you hate when people graze their sheep on your land too.
 
2013-05-24 04:28:13 PM  
It's about damn time. Fark those smelly bums. Go find somewhere else to be drunk and annoying.
 
2013-05-24 04:31:29 PM  

armor helix: relaxitsjustme: armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.

bzzzt.  Wrong.  No more than 10~15% of homeless are homeless because they like the free and easy lifestyle.

Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

Now go get back into your Prius and take your smug half-assed smile someplace else.


Well I guess if you get to make up your own definitions then you're always going to be correct.  Brilliant!

/doesn't own a Prius and I'm in a shaitty mode today so fark you too.
 
2013-05-24 04:33:09 PM  

hailin: relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God

I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.


Well it's more like if you screw up just once you lose your spot and god help you getting anywhere because there are waiting lists.Very long waiting lists. the shelters without waiting lists you have to leave with all your stuff on your most of the day and get back in line later in the evening. You will have your things on you and still be homeless.

I'm more of an expert on youth homelessness. If you are a homeless teenager in DC there are waiting lists 8-12 months long just to get in somewhere. There are about 100 beds, both emergency housing and long term shelter, in this city. The one place with  emergency beds is not LGBT friendly (and by friendly I mean staff is hostile and some turn away openly gay kids) and roughly 40% of homeless youth are such, We have a homeless youth population of 800-1400. Yes they turn to drugs and alcohol because they are farking homeless and you can get a high and forget way cheaper and easier than you can find a place to live.Especially when a number of them are turning to prostitution. If you had to let some 55 year old guy fark your ass so you could get some food would you want to be sober for it?
 
2013-05-24 04:36:20 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Dear Redbrigde Police: When did you decide not to honor our Veterans?

/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless


In  America.  This happened in the UK. Vets were 6% of the homeless pop. there  in 2008, down  from 20% in 1999.

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/media/31582/LitRev_UKVetsHomelessnes s. pdf
 
2013-05-24 04:38:24 PM  

Tom_Slick: hailin: relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God

I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.

I have always wondered, if you opened a shelter that allows say alcohol and pot, nothing harder, and offered low end jobs (say the guy who stands at road construction holding the "slow/stop' sign) as condition to live there (they get paid minimum wage and get to keep it all)  Would there be any takers?


That sign holding job pays over $40 an hour. Most homeless are unemployable because of mental health and/or addiction and/or legal issues. Unlike the learned genius' in the thread going off their "gut" feeling that their is plenty of shelter space or homelessness is a choice, I have spent 20 years working directly with various federal programs attempting to obtain grant moneys. I have written several grants specifically for substance abuse rehabilitation for the homeless, mental health services (specifically crisis intervention and stabilization), and emergency health intervention and placement. The resources available (and, I'm using a perfect model) may be sufficient to meet 20% of the need with private and religious foundations capable of meeting maybe 10-15% (once again, best case scenario). To claim anything else is remarkable ignorant or dishonest, and it's heartless whichever side of the coin you land on. America is a terrible place to be a needy person, that is the bottom line. Maybe not as bad as Somalia, but is that the standard we want to be measured to? Now, I'm sure we'll have plenty of bootstrappy people with horror stories about the poors peeing in public, sleeping in doorsteps, and all the other things that offend their delicately sensibilities because people with mental illness are to be scorned, punished, and derided for their refusal to embrace the gift of self sufficiency that Saint Regan's gutting of our mental healthcare system has given them. It gives you a pretty disgusting glimpse into the the cruel nature of our "christian conservative" nation.
 
2013-05-24 04:44:54 PM  

relaxitsjustme: armor helix: relaxitsjustme: armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.

bzzzt.  Wrong.  No more than 10~15% of homeless are homeless because they like the free and easy lifestyle.

Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

Now go get back into your Prius and take your smug half-assed smile someplace else.

Well I guess if you get to make up your own definitions then you're always going to be correct.  Brilliant!

/doesn't own a Prius and I'm in a shaitty mode today so fark you too.


Hopefully in the near future you will either be the victim of a petty crime of opportunity, or find a used syringe on your property when letting your dog out, or maybe discover some human feces surrounded by poopy Wendy's napkins that some crack-headed bum used to wipe with. Then you will realize what an idiot you are for thinking that all homeless people are downtrodden victims that need our hard-earned food and money.
 
2013-05-24 04:45:17 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I know most of them are addicted or nuts. But if the homeless population ever did become unified. Perhaps a charismatic hobo rises up and teaches them to fight.

society as a whole will regret allowing the gestapo to steal from them. It will regret chasing away people who just tried to feed those folks.

enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all. Hoarding wealth while people hunger is like hoarding water when people are thirsty.

eventually they just kill you and take it


Chronic homeless is like 128k people at a given time in the USA.

What is an 00.03% population going to do everyone in the USA. That is effectively 0%.

If you throw in people mooching off government housing you get maybe 0.2% of the population. Still not a sizable amount of people to cause a problem.
 
2013-05-24 04:50:59 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?

If your not cop , your little people.


Umm... How did you mess up "you're" twice?
 
2013-05-24 04:52:45 PM  

MethylTryp: Yeah I'm actually OK with this.


May you end up homeless and have to learn a hard lesson.
 
2013-05-24 04:53:05 PM  

Texas Gabe: How is this not outright theft? Confiscating food? What. The. FARK.


It's only stealing if you take things from people. The homeless don't count, silly.

*shrugs*

Power tends to abuse the politically convenient. The homeless are about as convenient a target as you can pick. Cops do shiat like this because they can, without fear of push back. The homeless themselves aren't going to do anything about it. And if broader society actually cared anything about the homeless, they probably wouldn't be in the position to have their stuff stolen by the cops in the first place. "Rights" are just a meaningless abstraction if there is no actual way of enforcing them. The homeless? Pretty much farked.

blog.ascentis.com
 
2013-05-24 04:53:18 PM  

Intrepid00: teenage mutant ninja rapist: I know most of them are addicted or nuts. But if the homeless population ever did become unified. Perhaps a charismatic hobo rises up and teaches them to fight.

society as a whole will regret allowing the gestapo to steal from them. It will regret chasing away people who just tried to feed those folks.

enough wealth exists in the world where not a single person should go without food or shelter. And yes the super wealthy should pay for it all. Hoarding wealth while people hunger is like hoarding water when people are thirsty.

eventually they just kill you and take it

Chronic homeless is like 128k people at a given time in the USA.

What is an 00.03% population going to do everyone in the USA. That is effectively 0%.

If you throw in people mooching off government housing you get maybe 0.2% of the population. Still not a sizable amount of people to cause a problem.


You're a liar. Per the 2009 Annual Homeless Assessment Report there are 650,000 absolute homeless homeless on any given night in america. As many as 3.5 million experience homelessness in a given year. (1% of the entire population). Jesus christ, how evil do you have to be to lie about statistics like that?
 
2013-05-24 04:57:09 PM  

Notabunny: iheartscotch: Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?

I'm not sure that's a thing in England.

/ not a barrister;

// very tempted to make a reference to Dim of The yard; but, I don't think anybody saw that episode of Monty Python but me

Oh. Yeah. Ok, I admit I skimmed TFA while swilling beer #2. I suck. Hola, los huddled masses of Limies! Come to America. There are laws against this kind of crap here. Also, to us your accent sounds intelligent and persuasive no matter what you say. So we're likely to do what you say and give you stuff. Plus, we have sun.


Do you seriously want to move them here just because you like their accent? I don't want to sound harsh or anything but we have plenty of our own that need to be taken care of before we go inviting more. It's sort of like that pet conversation your parents probably had with you when you asked for a second dog.
 
2013-05-24 05:01:53 PM  

armor helix: relaxitsjustme: armor helix: relaxitsjustme: armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.

bzzzt.  Wrong.  No more than 10~15% of homeless are homeless because they like the free and easy lifestyle.

Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

Now go get back into your Prius and take your smug half-assed smile someplace else.

Well I guess if you get to make up your own definitions then you're always going to be correct.  Brilliant!

/doesn't own a Prius and I'm in a shaitty mode today so fark you too.

Hopefully in the near future you will either be the victim of a petty crime of opportunity, or find a used syringe on your property when letting your dog out, or maybe discover some human feces surrounded by poopy Wendy's napkins that some crack-headed bum used to wipe with. Then you will realize what an idiot you are for thinking that all homeless people are downtrodden victims that need our hard-earned food and money.


And hopefully in the near future you or somebody you care about will find themselves homeless and in need of a place to shait but with zero public bathroom options or so tormented by PTSD that getting high or drunk is the best medication.  Maybe then you will realize what an idiot you are for thinking all homeless people are there because 'Hey free sandwiches at the Salvation Army'

/two can play this game
//but I'm done.
 
2013-05-24 05:06:55 PM  
"The police. Saviours of society, defenders of our liberties, protectors of the poor... "

L.O.L.
 
2013-05-24 05:07:16 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I know most of them are addicted or nuts. But if the homeless population ever did become unified. Perhaps a charismatic hobo rises up and teaches them to fight.


He might rally a miinority of the chronically homeless - those who've been homeless a year or more.  Chronically homeless were about 16% of 632K total in 2011, so roughly 100K.  The rest don't have strong investment in homeless issues - they're just "temporarily down on our luck" - so they won't join a movement.

http://www.endhomelessness.org/pages/snapshot_of_homelessness

FWIW, 16% of homeless adults were vets in that one-day snapshot, not 1 in 4.  Homeless vet pop decreased 7% from 2010.

Federal housing assistance for the homeless was $1.9 billion; it would take about $20 billion to house all the homeless for a year.  I'd say it's doable and should be done.

These UK cops should be buried atop the shredded corpse of their chief.
 
2013-05-24 05:09:59 PM  

Gwendolyn: If you had to let some 55 year old guy fark your ass so you could get some food would you want to be sober for it?


Yes. I'm not sober for much but I'd want to be sober for that.

Well, probably not the second or third time. The first time I'd want to be sober though.
 
2013-05-24 05:10:07 PM  
On the internet, people love the homeless, gays, atheists, minorities, special needs children , etc.....

In real life, not so much.
 
2013-05-24 05:19:13 PM  

wambu: When you have them live near your house or business and are OK with that or actively work to provide the homeless shelter, food clothes and other services, I'll listen to your outrage over their treatment.

Until then STFU.


It's cute how people like yourself, wambu, tend to think OTHER anonymous strangers on the internet want to live up to your expectations, or even care what you want to hear/read from the others. It's a bit of egocentric tripe, don't you think? (Of course you don't.)
 
2013-05-24 05:19:57 PM  

Bender The Offender: Tom_Slick: hailin: relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God

I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.

I have always wondered, if you opened a shelter that allows say alcohol and pot, nothing harder, and offered low end jobs (say the guy who stands at road construction holding the "slow/stop' sign) as condition to live there (they get paid minimum wage and get to keep it all)  Would there be any takers?

That sign holding job pays over $40 an hour. Most homeless are unemployable because of mental health and/or addiction and/or legal issues. Unlike the learned genius' in the thread going off their "gut" feeling that their is plenty of shelter space or homelessness is a choice, I have spent 20 years working directly with various federal programs attempting to obtain grant moneys. I have written several grants specifically for substance abuse rehabilitation for the homeless, mental health services (specifically crisis intervention and stabilization), and emergency health intervention and placement. The resources available (and, I'm using a perfect model) may be sufficient to meet 20% of the need with private and religious foundations capable of meeting maybe 10-15% (once again, best case scenario). To claim anything else is remarkable ignorant or dishonest, and it's heartless whichever side of the coin you land on. America is a terrible place to be a needy person, that is the bottom line. Maybe not as bad as Somalia, but is that the standard we want to be measured to? Now, I'm sure we'll have plenty of bootstrappy people with horror stories about the poors peeing in public, sleeping in doorsteps, and all the other things that offend their delicately sensibilities because people with mental illness are to be scorned, punished, and derided for their refusal to embrace the gift of self sufficiency that Saint Regan's gutting of our mental healthcare system has given them. It gives you a pretty disgusting glimpse into the the cruel nature of our "christian conservative" nation.


Flaggers make at best 20 an hour in Canada, and that's really experienced ones and depends where you live. I work in New Brunswick, just got my certification for the first time and make $10.25 an hour. I think 40 an hour is a bit high...
 
2013-05-24 05:20:40 PM  

TheSwissNavy: Again, STFU if you're a liberal and you support President Drone and you complain there's no money for the poor. Stop the wars.


Problem is that the money saved on wars would not be put to use on services for the poor.

Your warehouse/group home solutions solve only the problem of getting homeless people out of sight.
 
2013-05-24 05:25:16 PM  

relaxitsjustme: armor helix: relaxitsjustme: armor helix: relaxitsjustme: armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.

bzzzt.  Wrong.  No more than 10~15% of homeless are homeless because they like the free and easy lifestyle.

Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

Now go get back into your Prius and take your smug half-assed smile someplace else.

Well I guess if you get to make up your own definitions then you're always going to be correct.  Brilliant!

/doesn't own a Prius and I'm in a shaitty mode today so fark you too.

Hopefully in the near future you will either be the victim of a petty crime of opportunity, or find a used syringe on your property when letting your dog out, or maybe discover some human feces surrounded by poopy Wendy's napkins that some crack-headed bum used to wipe with. Then you will realize what an idiot you are for thinking that all homeless people are downtrodden victims that need our hard-earned food and money.

And hopefully in the near future you or somebody you care about will find themselves homeless and in need of a place to shait but with zero public bathroom options or so tormented by PTSD that getting high or drunk is the best medication.  Maybe then you will realize what an idiot you are for thinking all homeless people are there because 'Hey free sandwiches at the Salvation Army'

/two can play this game
//but I'm done.


There's one minor problem with your argument. There are programs available for people with military-related issues like PTSD. So if they decide to use drugs and become homeless it is their choice to do so. And when they need money for more drugs and alcohol I hope they break into your Honda hybrid and steal your goodies while you are home at 11AM drinking organic rooibos tea instead of breaking into my house at that same time while I am at work.
 
2013-05-24 05:28:31 PM  
dopekitty74:
It appears there's a pretty wide variation with the pay (Had a cousin that worked for the county for a while that made "around $40")

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_money_do_flaggers_in_Washington_s ta te_make_an_hour
Depends on your company and what county you work in. For example: private pay non union companies are usually $10-$13 an hour. Counties in washington are usually between $24-$36 an hour non union prevailing wage job. If u are union your highest pay is usually $25 an hour plus benefits.
 
2013-05-24 05:38:56 PM  

armor helix: Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.


When you first start abusing the drug or drink it is a choice. However, no one wakes up one day and decides to start sucking dicks behind the Circle K to get what they need. No one thinks they'll be hooked, but it happens gradually like the famous frog in heating water. Once the addiction takes hold, it's no longer a choice. Many of these folks started their drug of choice while having a job, a home, etc. Do you think they just decided to give that all away?

And then there's detox. Unsupervised, a severe addict can die. Seizures, etc. And given the dearth of free medical service for addicts, the problem is perpetual. Don't hand me any sh*t about "You have to want to quit." When the addiction is strong enough you HAVE to do it. It's an actual medical problem, beyond matters of willpower.

Before anyone responds with a generic story about "Well I quit cold turkey!," ask yourself - were you medically supervised to avoid massive trembling, seizures and such? Or were you just someone who drank too much on weekends but could survive 24 hours without a drink? Or crack pipe, whatever. All addictions are similar. Your friend who wears the lampshade because his drug or alcohol use is too high isn't the same as someone who has consumed daily for so long that his body will revolt if he suddenly stops.
 
2013-05-24 05:40:23 PM  
I am no longer donating to the homeless, as this makes the problem worse, not better.
It is like having a bird feeder, when the feeder is full the lazy birds swarm around it, making noise, defecating on everything, and being a nuisance...
Stop filling the feeder and the weak birds die off, the strong birds go out and find what nature provides and the nuisance factor goes away...
 
2013-05-24 05:40:41 PM  
armor helix:

There's one minor problem with your argument. There are programs available for people with military-related issues like PTSD. So if they decide to use drugs and become homeless it is their choice to do so.

That's so cute. You're such an expert. You think PTSD is caused by "military related issues" not things like; rape, violence of any sort, chronic stress. What about schizophrenia doctor, what are people doing to cause that? What about schizoaffective disorders? What are people doing to cause that to themselves? What about organic brain diseases, what about frontal lobe trauma, what about any other number of physiological and psychiatric disorders that people "cause themselves" mr expert? Please tell me? Oh yeah, I'm a nurse practitioner and as I said, I've been working with these issues for 20 years, so why don't you tell me the secrets to free healthcare, free prescription medication, etc, etc? Please, tell me all about the "foundation assistance" that tends to be used up within the first 30 days of the fiscal year. Tell me all about how easy it is to get medicare/medicaid disability for a mentally ill person because keeping appointments and bouncing back and forth for the 1-2 years and mandatory 2-3 appeals that it typically takes to qualify for any type of non-TERI disability is so easily navigable when you have a chorus of voices in your head telling you to rip out your eyes. Go ahead, oh learned and compassionate one, I know about 45 people that I can help tomorrow with your expertise.
 
2013-05-24 05:42:07 PM  
rather than donating food, clothing and sleeping bags, donate firearms so they can protect their property from theft...
 
2013-05-24 05:47:42 PM  
I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous
 
2013-05-24 05:48:25 PM  
When I walk the streets, I always give a bit to the homeless.  It makes me feel better to support the performing arts.
 
2013-05-24 05:52:52 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous


You're a fortunate person with little imagination or motivation to satisfy curiosity.
 
2013-05-24 05:52:53 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous


Mental illness is funny.
 
2013-05-24 05:55:13 PM  

Bender The Offender: armor helix:

There's one minor problem with your argument. There are programs available for people with military-related issues like PTSD. So if they decide to use drugs and become homeless it is their choice to do so.

That's so cute. You're such an expert. You think PTSD is caused by "military related issues" not things like; rape, violence of any sort, chronic stress. What about schizophrenia doctor, what are people doing to cause that? What about schizoaffective disorders? What are people doing to cause that to themselves? What about organic brain diseases, what about frontal lobe trauma, what about any other number of physiological and psychiatric disorders that people "cause themselves" mr expert? Please tell me? Oh yeah, I'm a nurse practitioner and as I said, I've been working with these issues for 20 years, so why don't you tell me the secrets to free healthcare, free prescription medication, etc, etc? Please, tell me all about the "foundation assistance" that tends to be used up within the first 30 days of the fiscal year. Tell me all about how easy it is to get medicare/medicaid disability for a mentally ill person because keeping appointments and bouncing back and forth for the 1-2 years and mandatory 2-3 appeals that it typically takes to qualify for any type of non-TERI disability is so easily navigable when you have a chorus of voices in your head telling you to rip out your eyes. Go ahead, oh learned and compassionate one, I know about 45 people that I can help tomorrow with your expertise.


I'll tell you what. I'll continue to pay my own way through life and disregard people who don't. You can sit here on Yelp and chastise people like me for not wiping homeless people's butts because they refuse to do it themselves. After all, you're a nurse practitioner and that makes you an expert on homeless people.

Here's a medical fact for you - leaving spent hypodermic needles laying around is dangerous! You can choose to subsidize this type of activity by giving the crackhead on the corner $5 if you want. Me? Not so much.

BTW, I was referring to military veterans as it relates to PTSD, not every homeless heroin addict who got raped by a third guy after selling blowjobs to his two friends.
 
2013-05-24 05:56:29 PM  

macadamnut: Back in the winter of '88-89 the city of Seattle chartered some buses


I hear that Portland is now the desired haven for the homeless on the west coast.  They get a lot of services there.

Seems that no good deed goes unpunished when helping the homeless.  If you make things too nice, you tend to attract homeless from other areas.  Since many of them suffer from drug addiction and mental illness, the locals end up suffering as a result.  Which sucks, because it becomes a disincentive to improve services.  Cities become jaded and label the homeless as persons-non-grata.
 
2013-05-24 05:59:19 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States
 
2013-05-24 06:16:24 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous

You're a fortunate person with little imagination or motivation to satisfy curiosity.


Well I mean I can envision scenarios where people have severe mental illnesses, but at the same time I do know people with debilitating mental illnesses that manage to not be homeless

I'm in the south and most people at least have some family around here so that's probably part of it I guess.

Motivation I guess your right I could look it up but was hoping maybe for some quick first hand experience from the farkers
 
2013-05-24 06:35:17 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: BarkingUnicorn: GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous

You're a fortunate person with little imagination or motivation to satisfy curiosity.

Well I mean I can envision scenarios where people have severe mental illnesses, but at the same time I do know people with debilitating mental illnesses that manage to not be homeless

I'm in the south and most people at least have some family around here so that's probably part of it I guess.

Motivation I guess your right I could look it up but was hoping maybe for some quick first hand experience from the farkers


So, like the voluntarily homeless, you choose to sponge off other people rather than work for the knowledge you want.  You admit to not reading TFA and apparently haven't read this thread before asking us to repeat ourselves.

Or you're trying to avoid saying, "I see no excuse for being homeless, so fark 'em."  That seems more plausible coming from Mississippi.
 
2013-05-24 06:42:39 PM  
The Irresponsible Captain:
/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless

fayinc.files.wordpress.com


So right now there are (+/-) 20,000,000 veterans.  That would mean 5,000,000 were homeless.  Looking at various sites, there are maybe 750,000 homeless persons in the US.  That would mean that if every person who was homeless was a veteran the number would be maybe 1 in 26 veterans were homeless

Do not sell the veterans short
 
2013-05-24 06:48:49 PM  
From a town with a lot of programs for the homeless, and mild weather. Consequently we have a fark ton of homeless, I wouldn't care if they just slept in public places but I get harassed for change and smokes constantly. I wish our police would do the same damn thing.
 
2013-05-24 06:50:42 PM  

Tom_Slick: In 1996 just ahead of the Olympics, Atlanta had a novel solution to the homeless problem, One-Way Bus Tickets anywhere in the US.  To hide the remaining homeless who stayed behind during the games they held a 3 week long party in a warehouse, with food, clothes, showers, booze, and beds.


Man. For that kinda gig I would pretend to be homeless for 3 weeks.

vancouver did basically the same shiat with it's hobos during olympic time.

woulda been funny for the IOC to see hasting & main in all its splendor. psycho junkie hell it is
 
2013-05-24 06:53:17 PM  

JohnCarter: The Irresponsible Captain:
/1 in 4 Veterans are homeless



So right now there are (+/-) 20,000,000 veterans.  That would mean 5,000,000 were homeless.  Looking at various sites, there are maybe 750,000 homeless persons in the US.  That would mean that if every person who was homeless was a veteran the number would be maybe 1 in 26 veterans were homeless

Do not sell the veterans short


He has it reversed, 1 in 4 homeless person is a veteran. http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/veterans.html
 
2013-05-24 07:04:13 PM  

nucular bum: Pffft... half-measures. Why don't the cops just shoot them in the head while they're at it?

/am i kidding or serious?
//discuss...


That was Brazil's solution.
 
2013-05-24 07:05:46 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous


im a canadian. But it was 09 and wound up on the street because of a biatch ex and a prejudiced family court and legal system. Even when homeless I had a job.

many people become homeless due to mental health issues.
other people dont have family to fall back on when times get tough. If your a single guy they have next to zero resources to help you. Nor do they care to.

many people are addicts. Doesnt mean they like being addicted or homeless. What has happend is that chemicals have fried their brains. In that state they are in capable of finding or holding a job. Or even using whatever meager social assistance they get to find a room to rent.

Doing good for myself now. Since being homeless Ive increased my income substantially every year since. Even straightend out my goofy ex once I got the court system out of our business.

for people that think the homeless like it and want to be their.
your a goof eat a dick and feel free to walk down to the homeless shelter or nearest back alley and say so to those peoples faces.
 
2013-05-24 07:18:28 PM  
Police thrive on confiscation. Theft under badge.
 
2013-05-24 07:25:34 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: GrizzlyPouch: BarkingUnicorn: GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous

You're a fortunate person with little imagination or motivation to satisfy curiosity.

Well I mean I can envision scenarios where people have severe mental illnesses, but at the same time I do know people with debilitating mental illnesses that manage to not be homeless

I'm in the south and most people at least have some family around here so that's probably part of it I guess.

Motivation I guess your right I could look it up but was hoping maybe for some quick first hand experience from the farkers

So, like the voluntarily homeless, you choose to sponge off other people rather than work for the knowledge you want.  You admit to not reading TFA and apparently haven't read this thread before asking us to repeat ourselves.

Or you're trying to avoid saying, "I see no excuse for being homeless, so fark 'em."  That seems more plausible coming from Mississippi.


Jeez project your intolerance of other people much?

I skimmed the thread didnt see anything other than its pretty much voluntary. Just asking a question home slice
 
2013-05-24 08:00:32 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: BarkingUnicorn: GrizzlyPouch: BarkingUnicorn: GrizzlyPouch: I'm curious how people become homeless in America in 2013. I would think it would almost have to be by choice

/don't know any homeless people, genuinely curious
//DNRTFA but if headline is accurate that's pretty ridiculous

You're a fortunate person with little imagination or motivation to satisfy curiosity.

Well I mean I can envision scenarios where people have severe mental illnesses, but at the same time I do know people with debilitating mental illnesses that manage to not be homeless

I'm in the south and most people at least have some family around here so that's probably part of it I guess.

Motivation I guess your right I could look it up but was hoping maybe for some quick first hand experience from the farkers

So, like the voluntarily homeless, you choose to sponge off other people rather than work for the knowledge you want.  You admit to not reading TFA and apparently haven't read this thread before asking us to repeat ourselves.

Or you're trying to avoid saying, "I see no excuse for being homeless, so fark 'em."  That seems more plausible coming from Mississippi.

Jeez project your intolerance of other people much?

I skimmed the thread didnt see anything other than its pretty much voluntary. Just asking a question home slice


And the answer is, "Study it out" if you really give a fark.  Everything you've posted indicates you don't, so why should anyone bother trying to educate  you?

You can't even "skim" competently, if I believe you did.  But I don't.  Yeah, I'm intolerant of the disingenuous.  The most annoying thing about bullshiat is the author's insinuation that his audience is stupid.
 
2013-05-24 08:18:35 PM  
www.uproxx.com
 
2013-05-24 08:48:54 PM  

Doink_Boink: My neighborhood is wealthy, we pay a shiatton in taxes, we have a lot of great amenities, we also have a shiatton of liberals in my county.  I'm liberal, for the most part, but when five homeless people decided to make the playground their home I did have a problem with it.  Then a few more, and a few more.  It was up to about twenty people living in the playground.  They would hope the fence and bathe in the pool at night, I would see them drunk in the pool chairs, nude, their clothes hanging on the fence to dry.  We would try and ask them to find somewhere else to stay, there are shelters for the homeless not far from there, but they weren't allowed to drink/drug at the shelters, better to live in the playground's castle building.  Then shiat from garages started getting stolen, cars broken into, kids getting harassed.  We had enough, tried to go to the community board meetings and nobody wanted to even talk about it.  Fortunately, we have some friends in the police dept and they persuaded them to leave.  Once they were gone we got to reclaim the playground and all the junk they left there.  We found out that like cats they treated the sandbox as a litter box, poop and sand and mulch stacked high, they would poop off the deck area into the pit.  The fire dept came out and used their hoses to blow it all into one area of the grass where it was left with cones blocking it off.  We went in with bleach and scrubbed it all down, a week later the kids were able to play in the park again.  I felt badly for the homeless, many are just nuts and don't want to live in an asylum, don't blame them, but still, it's not ok to be such a nuisance.  Many of the "homeless" in my area aren't even homeless, they're opportunists, they know they can take the subway to my neighborhood and stand on the median begging from money at all the cars that stop at the light.  Sometimes there are people at all four corners begging.


www.tonyrogers.com
the homeless don't respect authoritay!
 
2013-05-24 08:56:03 PM  
jpegy.com
 
2013-05-24 09:10:11 PM  

Zombalupagus: [jpegy.com image 500x500]


I see it differently.

99.8% of people not homeless + our society feeds people from other societies around the world for free with the excess food we produce = society is an amazingly unqualified resounding success.

/Sometimes I admit to being a glass half full kinda guy.
 
2013-05-24 09:10:25 PM  

Zombalupagus: [jpegy.com image 500x500]


"Use it or lose it" fails too.
 
2013-05-24 09:17:56 PM  

hailin: relaxitsjustme: LA tried this and the 9th court said nope (2-1 decision IIRC).  Unless you have enough shelter beds you can't kick confiscate property.  Honolulu is getting ready to do the same thing and I can't help but wonder if the courts won't tell them the same thing.  Since this is England I don't know what the laws are but I'm guessing they are walking a fine line.

/Matthew 25:31~46
//Things like this make me hope there is a God

I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.


Yet I can be drunk and high in my own home. Shrug.
 
2013-05-24 09:18:02 PM  

Tunney: "The public rely on police to reduce the negative impact of rough sleepers"

Take away their stuff and they're still homeless. The only way that this strategy could solve the problem is if the homeless people froze or starved to death.

Sick.


arrest the police for theft of property
hold them in jail without bail until the property is returned and the a proper penalty is paid to the citizen
PROFIT!!
 
2013-05-24 09:20:10 PM  

mochunk: I wonder about the shelter beds. We have more than enough for our population, but the rules are they can't be drunk or high in order to use the shelter which means most of ours stay on the streets.

Yet I can be drunk and high in my own home. Shrug.


Invite 'em all over.  Shrug.
 
2013-05-24 09:33:54 PM  

dickfreckle: armor helix: Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

When you first start abusing the drug or drink it is a choice. However, no one wakes up one day and decides to start sucking dicks behind the Circle K to get what they need. No one thinks they'll be hooked, but it happens gradually like the famous frog in heating water. Once the addiction takes hold, it's no longer a choice. Many of these folks started their drug of choice while having a job, a home, etc. Do you think they just decided to give that all away?

And then there's detox. Unsupervised, a severe addict can die. Seizures, etc. And given the dearth of free medical service for addicts, the problem is perpetual. Don't hand me any sh*t about "You have to want to quit." When the addiction is strong enough you HAVE to do it. It's an actual medical problem, beyond matters of willpower.

Before anyone responds with a generic story about "Well I quit cold turkey!," ask yourself - were you medically supervised to avoid massive trembling, seizures and such? Or were you just someone who drank too much on weekends but could survive 24 hours without a drink? Or crack pipe, whatever. All addictions are similar. Your friend who wears the lampshade because his drug or alcohol use is too high isn't the same as someone who has consumed daily for so long that his body will revolt if he suddenly stops.


s3.amazonaws.com

"DERPA DERP!! One second I was using marijuana in high school, the next thing I know here I am! I am not this way due to my own bad decision making processes, whatsoever. If only more people would give me $5 when I am panhandling at the corner maybe my life will somehow turn out different. If only the government would have thrown slightly more money into my local homeless shelter maybe I would be a CEO or something today! I am in no way responsible for the way I turned out. One day it was marijuana, the next day I was blowing some guy behind Circle-K because I didn't have access to a clean enough place to detox! DERPA-DERP-DERP!!!!111 lol!!111"

P.S. Somebody stole my sleeping bag! Wtfx!?!?!?
 
2013-05-24 09:57:15 PM  

armor helix: dickfreckle: armor helix: Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

When you first start abusing the drug or drink it is a choice. However, no one wakes up one day and decides to start sucking dicks behind the Circle K to get what they need. No one thinks they'll be hooked, but it happens gradually like the famous frog in heating water. Once the addiction takes hold, it's no longer a choice. Many of these folks started their drug of choice while having a job, a home, etc. Do you think they just decided to give that all away?

And then there's detox. Unsupervised, a severe addict can die. Seizures, etc. And given the dearth of free medical service for addicts, the problem is perpetual. Don't hand me any sh*t about "You have to want to quit." When the addiction is strong enough you HAVE to do it. It's an actual medical problem, beyond matters of willpower.

Before anyone responds with a generic story about "Well I quit cold turkey!," ask yourself - were you medically supervised to avoid massive trembling, seizures and such? Or were you just someone who drank too much on weekends but could survive 24 hours without a drink? Or crack pipe, whatever. All addictions are similar. Your friend who wears the lampshade because his drug or alcohol use is too high isn't the same as someone who has consumed daily for so long that his body will revolt if he suddenly stops.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 361x480]

"DERPA DERP!! One second I was using marijuana in high school, the next thing I know here I am! I am not this way due to my own bad decision making processes, whatsoever. If only more people would give me $5 when I am panhandling at the corner maybe my life will somehow turn out different. If only the government would have thrown slightly more money into my local homeless shelter maybe I would be a CEO or something today! I am i ...


You're a terrible human being.

I just wanted you to know that.
 
2013-05-24 10:14:04 PM  

HeartBurnKid: You realize Iraq has ended, Afghanistan ends next year, and "President Drone" is actively campaigning for the repeal of the AUMF, right?

/other than that, yeah, we definitely should be doing more for the homeless


zOMG SOOOOOOOOCIALISM!
 
2013-05-24 10:17:29 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Notabunny: Unreasonable search and seizure, anyone?

If your not cop , your little people.


If yew kan't spel, yu went too publik skool.
 
2013-05-24 10:57:19 PM  

HeartBurnKid: armor helix: dickfreckle: armor helix: Sorry but I don't consider being homeless because of a substance abuse problem to be "involuntarily homeless". I believe if you ruin your life with drugs than you are very much making a choice.

When you first start abusing the drug or drink it is a choice. However, no one wakes up one day and decides to start sucking dicks behind the Circle K to get what they need. No one thinks they'll be hooked, but it happens gradually like the famous frog in heating water. Once the addiction takes hold, it's no longer a choice. Many of these folks started their drug of choice while having a job, a home, etc. Do you think they just decided to give that all away?

And then there's detox. Unsupervised, a severe addict can die. Seizures, etc. And given the dearth of free medical service for addicts, the problem is perpetual. Don't hand me any sh*t about "You have to want to quit." When the addiction is strong enough you HAVE to do it. It's an actual medical problem, beyond matters of willpower.

Before anyone responds with a generic story about "Well I quit cold turkey!," ask yourself - were you medically supervised to avoid massive trembling, seizures and such? Or were you just someone who drank too much on weekends but could survive 24 hours without a drink? Or crack pipe, whatever. All addictions are similar. Your friend who wears the lampshade because his drug or alcohol use is too high isn't the same as someone who has consumed daily for so long that his body will revolt if he suddenly stops.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 361x480]

"DERPA DERP!! One second I was using marijuana in high school, the next thing I know here I am! I am not this way due to my own bad decision making processes, whatsoever. If only more people would give me $5 when I am panhandling at the corner maybe my life will somehow turn out different. If only the government would have thrown slightly more money into my local homeless shelter maybe I would be a CEO or something today! I am i ...

You're a terrible human being.

I just wanted you to know that.


And you're a naive dumbass. I'd prefer the former any day.
 
2013-05-24 11:00:49 PM  
I discovered this was England, and then I stopped caring.
 
2013-05-24 11:17:32 PM  

Stoker: Police thrive on confiscation. Theft under badge.


Yes, nothing makes cops rich like stealing a cart full of dirty rags, broken bottles and empty cans, and half a dozen old newspapers.

You are thinking of the wrong confiscation, bubba, the kind that has nothing to do with either homelessness or the law under discussion here.
 
2013-05-24 11:20:37 PM  
It's natural to want to believe that people are homeless by choice. Because if it were true, we wouldn't have to feel bad for them. They must like it at some level or they wouldn't have chosen it in the first place. Also, we also don't have to be afraid of it happening to us, because, Good Grief, we're never going to choose to be homeless! No sir! Not something we have to plan against or lose sleep over.

Frequently question whether you believe something just because you want to.
 
2013-05-24 11:50:43 PM  

LindenFark: It's natural to want to believe that people are homeless by choice. Because if it were true, we wouldn't have to feel bad for them. They must like it at some level or they wouldn't have chosen it in the first place. Also, we also don't have to be afraid of it happening to us, because, Good Grief, we're never going to choose to be homeless! No sir! Not something we have to plan against or lose sleep over.

Frequently question whether you believe something just because you want to.


Some people are homeless by choice. Some people are homeless by necessity. Some just can't negotiate the endless confusion of paperwork and clerks talking gibberish and intimidating waiting rooms needed to get out of homelessness. Some don't like being told when and how they have to dress, sleep, eat and bathe, and so they stay homeless as preferable to having some young punk order them around. Some have had their brains turned to mush by too many years of alcohol or drugs; some never had brains to begin with. And some aren't really homeless, they're just in transition and will be back among society before too long.

The idea that there is one cause of homelessness, or one type of homeless person, is probably more corrosive to ending homelessness than poverty or drug addiction or apathy. If people see a bum on the street and instantly think (as some do right here on Fark) "Oh, he just wants to be homeless," then that negates any other explanation of his condition, and thus any other solution: That he might be mentally retarded, for instance, or illiterate, or simply be lost and confused while traveling. But by the same token, thinking "Oh, he's mentally ill and unable to fend for himself" negates the concept that maybe he's a scam artist who likes living off the public dole.

But overgeneralizing is a lot easier than having to think about these things.
 
2013-05-24 11:58:49 PM  

relaxitsjustme: /Things like this make me hope there is a God


Despite being an atheist the idea of homeless cops in the afterlife dumpster diving outside the pearly gates has merit.
 
2013-05-25 12:22:02 AM  

Gyrfalcon: LindenFark: It's natural to want to believe that people are homeless by choice. Because if it were true, we wouldn't have to feel bad for them. They must like it at some level or they wouldn't have chosen it in the first place. Also, we also don't have to be afraid of it happening to us, because, Good Grief, we're never going to choose to be homeless! No sir! Not something we have to plan against or lose sleep over.

Frequently question whether you believe something just because you want to.

Some people are homeless by choice. Some people are homeless by necessity. Some just can't negotiate the endless confusion of paperwork and clerks talking gibberish and intimidating waiting rooms needed to get out of homelessness. Some don't like being told when and how they have to dress, sleep, eat and bathe, and so they stay homeless as preferable to having some young punk order them around. Some have had their brains turned to mush by too many years of alcohol or drugs; some never had brains to begin with. And some aren't really homeless, they're just in transition and will be back among society before too long.

The idea that there is one cause of homelessness, or one type of homeless person, is probably more corrosive to ending homelessness than poverty or drug addiction or apathy. If people see a bum on the street and instantly think (as some do right here on Fark) "Oh, he just wants to be homeless," then that negates any other explanation of his condition, and thus any other solution: That he might be mentally retarded, for instance, or illiterate, or simply be lost and confused while traveling. But by the same token, thinking "Oh, he's mentally ill and unable to fend for himself" negates the concept that maybe he's a scam artist who likes living off the public dole.

But overgeneralizing is a lot easier than having to think about these things.


ok, so do we solve the problem by focusing on those who are homeless "by necessity" or are we required to treat the rest of them respectfully?
 
2013-05-25 12:48:30 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Hoarding wealth while people hunger is like hoarding water when people are thirsty.


Except people don't make water.  They do, however, make wealth.  Well, some of them do.
 
2013-05-25 12:59:10 AM  
skullkrusher: ok, so do we solve the problem by focusing on those who are homeless "by necessity" or are we required to treat the rest of them respectfully?

Why can't you treat them all respectfully? How does it diminish you at all to treat every human being with respect?
 
2013-05-25 01:02:34 AM  

Bender The Offender: skullkrusher: ok, so do we solve the problem by focusing on those who are homeless "by necessity" or are we required to treat the rest of them respectfully?

Why can't you treat them all respectfully? How does it diminish you at all to treat every human being with respect?


because if you're homeless because you want to be, get the fark off my steps? It doesn't diminish me to want people who have a choice but choose to litter my stoop to get the fark off my stoop.
I dunno, seems pretty obvious
 
2013-05-25 02:28:49 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-25 02:35:09 AM  
Only a brain-dead douchebag cop would think this is a good idea.
 
2013-05-25 02:54:19 AM  

Tom_Slick: In 1996 just ahead of the Olympics, Atlanta had a novel solution to the homeless problem, One-Way Bus Tickets anywhere in the US.  To hide the remaining homeless who stayed behind during the games they held a 3 week long party in a warehouse, with food, clothes, showers, booze, and beds.


so did salt lake city, during their olymp ic run.
/though they were one way tickets to las vegas
 
2013-05-25 03:00:50 AM  

skullkrusher: Bender The Offender: skullkrusher: ok, so do we solve the problem by focusing on those who are homeless "by necessity" or are we required to treat the rest of them respectfully?

Why can't you treat them all respectfully? How does it diminish you at all to treat every human being with respect?

because if you're homeless because you want to be, get the fark off my steps? It doesn't diminish me to want people who have a choice but choose to litter my stoop to get the fark off my stoop.
I dunno, seems pretty obvious


I don't think that being homeless is an "obvious" reason for being worthy of disrespect. I also don't think people want to be homeless. I've worked with the homeless for 20 years. In that time, not once has any of them said "hey, I want to be homeless". I don't want to get into any pointless arguments though, you tend to be fixed in your belief systems. I will honestly say that I hope that should any misfortune befall you that puts you in a similar position, that society looks upon you with more kindness, compassion, and understanding. I really mean it.
 
2013-05-25 03:36:00 AM  

Gyrfalcon: LindenFark: It's natural to want to believe that people are homeless by choice. Because if it were true, we wouldn't have to feel bad for them. They must like it at some level or they wouldn't have chosen it in the first place. Also, we also don't have to be afraid of it happening to us, because, Good Grief, we're never going to choose to be homeless! No sir! Not something we have to plan against or lose sleep over.

Frequently question whether you believe something just because you want to.

Some people are homeless by choice. Some people are homeless by necessity. Some just can't negotiate the endless confusion of paperwork and clerks talking gibberish and intimidating waiting rooms needed to get out of homelessness. Some don't like being told when and how they have to dress, sleep, eat and bathe, and so they stay homeless as preferable to having some young punk order them around. Some have had their brains turned to mush by too many years of alcohol or drugs; some never had brains to begin with. And some aren't really homeless, they're just in transition and will be back among society before too long.

The idea that there is one cause of homelessness, or one type of homeless person, is probably more corrosive to ending homelessness than poverty or drug addiction or apathy. If people see a bum on the street and instantly think (as some do right here on Fark) "Oh, he just wants to be homeless," then that negates any other explanation of his condition, and thus any other solution: That he might be mentally retarded, for instance, or illiterate, or simply be lost and confused while traveling. But by the same token, thinking "Oh, he's mentally ill and unable to fend for himself" negates the concept that maybe he's a scam artist who likes living off the public dole.

But overgeneralizing is a lot easier than having to think about these things.


I like your post. I think the majority of homeless people are homeless by choice but I like your post anyhow.
 
2013-05-25 03:41:34 AM  

skullkrusher: ok, so do we solve the problem by focusing on those who are homeless "by necessity" or are we required to treat the rest of them respectfully?


Well....Maybe by treating homelessness not so much as "a problem" first of all? Why is it "a problem"? What is so "problematic" about people choosing not to live in houses?

If we could differentiate between the ones who DO prefer a gypsy lifestyle and would rather not be bothered with the whole housing thing--gave them an area of town to live in, for instance, or set aside public land for them to camp on for free--and then yes, treat the rest of them like human beings and not semi-sub-human freaks of nature.

Hobos, bums and "homeless" all have one thing in common with other human detritus throughout history--they don't really do anything objectionable except fail to follow social norms and for that everyone runs around in circles as if it was "a problem." What does it harm YOU if they prefer to sleep in a tent in the park? Assuming they commit no crimes and don't actively panhandle you, why shouldn't they be allowed to do so?
 
2013-05-25 07:17:59 AM  
Homelessness wouldn't be as much of an issue if we just, you know, gave people places to stay without onerous requirements. A rich fark can come and go when he pleases, get up at 3 pm if he wants, guzzle a bottle of wine a day and nobody is going to force him out of his house. Heck, if he wants to snort blow all day, as long as he doesn't bother the neighbors and does it inside, probably nothing will happen.

Yet somehow homeless people are expected to get up very early at shelters, are not allowed to drink or do drugs, etc. Basically, we expect them to act like angels before we give them mercy. Oh, and I forgot - they get to share space with tons of other homeless people. This is okay for families, actually, it keeps the most unstable out so they can get on their feet and it's safe for the kids, but the chronically homeless tend to not be like that. Ironically, it's been found that giving people a place to live means they tend to moderate their own bad behavior - they drink less, their health is better (which saves tremendous amounts of money), obviously they get arrested less, and suddenly they aren't relieving themselves on the street.

The easiest fix is just to give people places to live, without unreasonable expectations. This is called "housing first" and is catching on, slowly.
 
2013-05-25 09:41:05 AM  

adamatari: The easiest fix is just to give people places to live, without unreasonable expectations. This is called "housing first" and is catching on, slowly.


Are there no prisons?  Are there no workhouses?
 
2013-05-25 11:49:12 AM  

armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.
They use drugs, crap everywhere, deter business, camp out in restaurant and store bathrooms, panhandle aggressively and commit all kinds of petty crimes of opportunity.
It used to be an embarrassment to be homeless. The police would arrest and charge the homeless with vagrancy.
Nowadays everybody is in such a hurry to beat the next Prius over to the corner pan handling bum to give him an organic banana that nobody realizes what a bunch of self entitled a!*holes modern homeless people are. Go buy lunch in San Francisco and go sit down to eat at the park if you don't believe me. In fact, you probably can't get down to the park because the escalator is clogged with homeless people's feces and won't work anymore. (Happens all the time)

A missing sleeping bag would be the least of a homeless person's concerns if I had my way. I work hard every day to take care of myself and my family so I don't have to impose on others. I have no respect or empathy for people who leech off of society. Disabled veterans are a different story, of course.


Well... there  are homeless out there who work very hard to get out of that situation; spend their every waking moment looking for a place to live, or at least be out of everybody's way; plus a job if they're not disabled.

These (somewhat) rare homeless abstain from alcohol, drugs and do their very best to be presentable to the public; they might even store most of their crap at friends/family members' places so they don't clog the bus or subway... Most likely, you've walked right by, stood next to or even (GASP!!!)  spoken witha homeless person and never been the wiser.

Any respect for someone like that? Someone who's going through a rough patch in life and just wants to become stable again? Or do you just want to shoot them before they have the chance to get their shiat together?

After all, they might end up living in the same neighborhood as you... and living as productive members of society!!

/quick, ship them off before they have the chance to live a respectable life!
//stay down, bum!!
///Stay down in the gutter so I can piss on your head!
 
2013-05-25 12:36:48 PM  

0z79: /quick, ship them off before they have the chance to live a respectable life!
//stay down, bum!!
///Stay down in the gutter so I can piss on your head!


Well, how else are you going to remind yourself that if you have food and shelter, you're a winner!
 
2013-05-25 12:40:25 PM  

Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: ok, so do we solve the problem by focusing on those who are homeless "by necessity" or are we required to treat the rest of them respectfully?

Well....Maybe by treating homelessness not so much as "a problem" first of all? Why is it "a problem"? What is so "problematic" about people choosing not to live in houses?

If we could differentiate between the ones who DO prefer a gypsy lifestyle and would rather not be bothered with the whole housing thing--gave them an area of town to live in, for instance, or set aside public land for them to camp on for free--and then yes, treat the rest of them like human beings and not semi-sub-human freaks of nature.

Hobos, bums and "homeless" all have one thing in common with other human detritus throughout history--they don't really do anything objectionable except fail to follow social norms and for that everyone runs around in circles as if it was "a problem." What does it harm YOU if they prefer to sleep in a tent in the park? Assuming they commit no crimes and don't actively panhandle you, why shouldn't they be allowed to do so?


Why is it a problem? Because nobody wants to go to a park that homeless people have been sleeping in. Can you honestly say that you would? Nobody would want to live next to an area "set aside" for homeless use. How would you feel if the city decided to put a homeless camp near your house (assuming you own a house and don't want the value to plummet).

I'll agree that homeless people aren't a problem for everyone - they are just a problem for anybody living anywhere near them.
 
2013-05-25 12:44:53 PM  

0z79: armor helix: Most of the homeless are homeless by choice. Not all, but most.
They use drugs, crap everywhere, deter business, camp out in restaurant and store bathrooms, panhandle aggressively and commit all kinds of petty crimes of opportunity.
It used to be an embarrassment to be homeless. The police would arrest and charge the homeless with vagrancy.
Nowadays everybody is in such a hurry to beat the next Prius over to the corner pan handling bum to give him an organic banana that nobody realizes what a bunch of self entitled a!*holes modern homeless people are. Go buy lunch in San Francisco and go sit down to eat at the park if you don't believe me. In fact, you probably can't get down to the park because the escalator is clogged with homeless people's feces and won't work anymore. (Happens all the time)

A missing sleeping bag would be the least of a homeless person's concerns if I had my way. I work hard every day to take care of myself and my family so I don't have to impose on others. I have no respect or empathy for people who leech off of society. Disabled veterans are a different story, of course.

Well... there  are homeless out there who work very hard to get out of that situation; spend their every waking moment looking for a place to live, or at least be out of everybody's way; plus a job if they're not disabled.

These (somewhat) rare homeless abstain from alcohol, drugs and do their very best to be presentable to the public; they might even store most of their crap at friends/family members' places so they don't clog the bus or subway... Most likely, you've walked right by, stood next to or even (GASP!!!)  spoken witha homeless person and never been the wiser.

Any respect for someone like that? Someone who's going through a rough patch in life and just wants to become stable again? Or do you just want to shoot them before they have the chance to get their shiat together?

After all, they might end up living in the same neighborhood as you... and living as productive members of society!!

/quick, ship them off before they have the chance to live a respectable life!
//stay down, bum!!
///Stay down in the gutter so I can piss on your head!


I was very clear about the type of homeless person I find objectionable. The type of homeless person you specified is not it. If you had even scanned over my post you would have seen that. But you didn't - the opportunity to pop off like a snarky doosh-troll was just too strong for you to resist, wasn't it?
Apparently getting irritated about finding human feces on your property is the same thing as "DERP!!! stay down in the gutter so I can piss on your head! DERRRPPP DERPP!!!"
 
2013-05-25 01:20:41 PM  

Bender The Offender: skullkrusher: Bender The Offender: skullkrusher: ok, so do we solve the problem by focusing on those who are homeless "by necessity" or are we required to treat the rest of them respectfully?

Why can't you treat them all respectfully? How does it diminish you at all to treat every human being with respect?

because if you're homeless because you want to be, get the fark off my steps? It doesn't diminish me to want people who have a choice but choose to litter my stoop to get the fark off my stoop.
I dunno, seems pretty obvious

I don't think that being homeless is an "obvious" reason for being worthy of disrespect. I also don't think people want to be homeless. I've worked with the homeless for 20 years. In that time, not once has any of them said "hey, I want to be homeless". I don't want to get into any pointless arguments though, you tend to be fixed in your belief systems. I will honestly say that I hope that should any misfortune befall you that puts you in a similar position, that society looks upon you with more kindness, compassion, and understanding. I really mean it.


if you read the OP I was responding to, you'll note that she makes a distinction about homelessness out of necessity and otherwise. That is the context in which the conversation is happening. Or something something fixed belief systems. Whichever you prefer
 
2013-05-25 01:22:58 PM  

Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: ok, so do we solve the problem by focusing on those who are homeless "by necessity" or are we required to treat the rest of them respectfully?

Well....Maybe by treating homelessness not so much as "a problem" first of all? Why is it "a problem"? What is so "problematic" about people choosing not to live in houses?

If we could differentiate between the ones who DO prefer a gypsy lifestyle and would rather not be bothered with the whole housing thing--gave them an area of town to live in, for instance, or set aside public land for them to camp on for free--and then yes, treat the rest of them like human beings and not semi-sub-human freaks of nature.

Hobos, bums and "homeless" all have one thing in common with other human detritus throughout history--they don't really do anything objectionable except fail to follow social norms and for that everyone runs around in circles as if it was "a problem." What does it harm YOU if they prefer to sleep in a tent in the park? Assuming they commit no crimes and don't actively panhandle you, why shouldn't they be allowed to do so?


I don't care if people sleep in the park. I was operating under the assumption that homelessness was something that needed a war waged on it. I don't give a fark if you wanna sleep under a bridge. Your life.
However, as I've said, if you're on my stoop GET THE FARK OFF MY STOOP.
 
2013-05-25 01:36:14 PM  

skullkrusher: Bender The Offender: skullkrusher: Bender The Offender: skullkrusher: ok, so do we solve the problem by focusing on those who are homeless "by necessity" or are we required to treat the rest of them respectfully?

Why can't you treat them all respectfully? How does it diminish you at all to treat every human being with respect?

because if you're homeless because you want to be, get the fark off my steps? It doesn't diminish me to want people who have a choice but choose to litter my stoop to get the fark off my stoop.
I dunno, seems pretty obvious

I don't think that being homeless is an "obvious" reason for being worthy of disrespect. I also don't think people want to be homeless. I've worked with the homeless for 20 years. In that time, not once has any of them said "hey, I want to be homeless". I don't want to get into any pointless arguments though, you tend to be fixed in your belief systems. I will honestly say that I hope that should any misfortune befall you that puts you in a similar position, that society looks upon you with more kindness, compassion, and understanding. I really mean it.

if you read the OP I was responding to, you'll note that she makes a distinction about homelessness out of necessity and otherwise. That is the context in which the conversation is happening. Or something something fixed belief systems. Whichever you prefer


I responded directly to you. I quoted the response. Play the vitcim all you want. Move the goalpost all you like. It's as plain as day, I responded directly to you and somehow my hope that you are treated better by society than you are willing to treat it means that you are the victim and now comes with some sort of convoluted backpedaling to highlight your victimhood. Whatever, I'm not arguing with you so you can paint yourself as a more pathetic victim. You win the internet, stay classy.
 
2013-05-26 12:43:41 AM  

EkimProx: If I'm walking down the street, I really don't like seeing people sleeping on it. Street is for walking, not sleeping. Learn to sleep walk or get the fark out.


Next time you're walking down the street, do us all a favor and walk into traffic.During rush hour.
 
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