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(WCAX Vermont)   Not news: mentally disabled man conned into selling property ahead of town tax auction. News: at a fraction of its value. FARK: by the governor   (wcax.com) divider line 102
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2013-05-24 03:13:59 PM

USCLaw2010: dittybopper: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 708x361]

Ah, Haley vs. United States. Haley: 7, United States: nothing. It can be done!


Let's see, Land Grab, land, land, land...see "Snatch"...
 
2013-05-24 03:17:56 PM
He should have just claimed it was a Tea Party Sex Ranch, then the IRS would have given him 503.c status and he wouldn't have owed a dime.
 
2013-05-24 03:21:31 PM
This guy better be term limited or has decided not to run again otherwise his opponent is going to kill him with this come reelection time.
 
2013-05-24 03:22:42 PM

FrancoFile: They don't list his party affiliation.  How conveeeeeenient.


Very durpy. 3/10
 
2013-05-24 03:29:21 PM
Typical farkin' Republican!
 
2013-05-24 03:30:50 PM

FrancoFile: They don't list his party affiliation.  How conveeeeeenient.


Ah, it's Vermont. If you care about that sort of thing, you already know what party affiliation he is.
 
2013-05-24 03:32:34 PM

skinink: "They don't list his party affiliation. How conveeeeeenient."
And neither did you. You just came in the thread, threw mud then ran off. If it's so important, you could have listed it here.

Next up: Farker gets upset because a crime story didn't list the "race" of the suspect.


That never bothers me, unless they are actively looking for a suspect.  Leaving it out then makes no sense.  If they have the person in custody   I don't care that much.
 
2013-05-24 03:35:36 PM

skozlaw: "A good person with ethics would have definitely done something different," he said.

And, not coincidentally, a good person with ethics is rarely worth millions of dollars.


Or deals in real estate.
 
2013-05-24 03:35:39 PM

FrancoFile: They don't list his party affiliation.  How conveeeeeenient.


Always assume democrat if the news article does not specify the party.  99% of the time you will be correct.  If this had involved a republican, the headline would scream "Republican Governor Robs Special Needs Resident and Drowns Kittens"
 
2013-05-24 03:39:20 PM

skozlaw: "A good person with ethics would have definitely done something different," he said.

And, not coincidentally, a good person with ethics is rarely worth millions of dollars.


Nor are they politicians.
 
2013-05-24 03:42:31 PM

vudukungfu: Trashy: It's Vermont, that's cheap plot of land.

Right now, I'll sell you a nice plot of land on Rt 15 and Cilley Hill Road in Jeicho. Cheap.


I bet you'll even ship it to Winooski or Colchester, cheap, by river.

/in little tiny pieces
 
2013-05-24 03:43:41 PM

show me: DiarrheaVanFrank: Darn you Governor!

[www.wonderland-site.com image 572x405]

Did you know that the dude holding her hand shot himself in the temple last year? And didn't die? And farkING CALLED 911 TO SAY WHAT HAPPENED?

/ I think he toasted his eyes and went blind. I feel bad for the mentally disabled dude and for this actor.


Holy crap.  That's horrific and sad...
 
2013-05-24 03:44:25 PM

vudukungfu: Trashy: It's Vermont, that's cheap plot of land.

Right now, I'll sell you a nice plot of land on Rt 15 and Cilley Hill Road in Jeicho. Cheap.


Is that near the Army's Mountain Warfare school?
 
2013-05-24 03:44:43 PM
Nice property Guv'ner, it'd be a shame is someone spilled dioxin all over it.

/No, really that would fark up water and all sorts of stuff.
 
2013-05-24 03:53:01 PM
Sad, very sad.
 
2013-05-24 03:59:44 PM
Worst part is, he paid him in french fried pertaters.
 
2013-05-24 04:06:18 PM
I don't get it. This guy may be a "slow learner", but he didn't seem profoundly retarded. Why is it bad to offer someone less than what it was worth to other people? I offered less than what my house was worth to the previous owner, does that make me bad? I have no idea if they were retarded, but going by the decor, they probably weren't all that bright. I just don't see why everyone is up in arms about this.
 
2013-05-24 04:09:00 PM

lockers: I don't get it. This guy may be a "slow learner", but he didn't seem profoundly retarded. Why is it bad to offer someone less than what it was worth to other people? I offered less than what my house was worth to the previous owner, does that make me bad? I have no idea if they were retarded, but going by the decor, they probably weren't all that bright. I just don't see why everyone is up in arms about this.


There's a difference between getting a good deal and taking advantage of somebody who clearly doesn't understand what's going on around them.
 
2013-05-24 04:11:10 PM
the governor is obviously an asshole... but if his lawyer was representing both sides of the deal, at the behest of the governor, can that get him disbarred?  or is there the kind of thing where he tells the seller to give him a dollar, and he may be considered an independent and unbiased representative for each party?

i guess what i'm asking... its obviously unethical by the actual meaning of the word ethical... but is this also unethical by legal standard?
 
2013-05-24 04:12:07 PM

relaxitsjustme: lockers: I don't get it. This guy may be a "slow learner", but he didn't seem profoundly retarded. Why is it bad to offer someone less than what it was worth to other people? I offered less than what my house was worth to the previous owner, does that make me bad? I have no idea if they were retarded, but going by the decor, they probably weren't all that bright. I just don't see why everyone is up in arms about this.

There's a difference between getting a good deal and taking advantage of somebody who clearly doesn't understand what's going on around them.


He understood it enough to hold out for 20 grand more. He didn't want to take his chances. He got what he deserved.
 
2013-05-24 04:13:28 PM

lockers: I don't get it. This guy may be a "slow learner", but he didn't seem profoundly retarded. Why is it bad to offer someone less than what it was worth to other people? I offered less than what my house was worth to the previous owner, does that make me bad? I have no idea if they were retarded, but going by the decor, they probably weren't all that bright. I just don't see why everyone is up in arms about this.


You don't have to be "profoundly retarded" to get taken advantage of by lawyers and politicians.  By definition, a "slow learner" is someone who does not always grasp a full understanding of issues.  A fast talkin lawyer could easily convince him it's the best thing since sammiches and beejes.
 
2013-05-24 04:21:34 PM

FrancoFile: They don't list his party affiliation.  How conveeeeeenient.


Yeah. When I saw that I guessed democrat and Wikipedia said I was right.
 
2013-05-24 04:23:17 PM
I don't see the issue. He was losing his home, period. Could he have gotten a better deal in the auction? Maybe. We don't know for sure, and neither does he. In fact, I'm inclined to think he'd have gotten less. Does the guy suck at negotiation because he's retarded? Yes. Does that change anything? Not at all.
I feel bad for the guy, but it's not like he lost his home because he got ripped off - he lost his home because he didn't pay taxes on it. $8000 annual income isn't much. He's probably on disability. BUT the taxes were only $2500 a year. Less if the $18k included penalties. All he had to pay for was utilities, taxes, and maintenance. I don't think his problems doing so had anything to do with being retarded, but rather with whatever makes him an ex-con.
 
2013-05-24 04:24:10 PM

lockers: relaxitsjustme: lockers: I don't get it. This guy may be a "slow learner", but he didn't seem profoundly retarded. Why is it bad to offer someone less than what it was worth to other people? I offered less than what my house was worth to the previous owner, does that make me bad? I have no idea if they were retarded, but going by the decor, they probably weren't all that bright. I just don't see why everyone is up in arms about this.

There's a difference between getting a good deal and taking advantage of somebody who clearly doesn't understand what's going on around them.

He understood it enough to hold out for 20 grand more. He didn't want to take his chances. He got what he deserved.


Did you read TFA?  All of it?  And you still think "He got what he deserved."Do you sell new rooves in senior communities for a living?
 
2013-05-24 04:31:42 PM

show me: When I saw this was Vermont, I was sure it was going to be Bigfoot.


This! Explains why he was in the nut house.
 
2013-05-24 04:33:54 PM

relaxitsjustme: lockers: relaxitsjustme: lockers: I don't get it. This guy may be a "slow learner", but he didn't seem profoundly retarded. Why is it bad to offer someone less than what it was worth to other people? I offered less than what my house was worth to the previous owner, does that make me bad? I have no idea if they were retarded, but going by the decor, they probably weren't all that bright. I just don't see why everyone is up in arms about this.

There's a difference between getting a good deal and taking advantage of somebody who clearly doesn't understand what's going on around them.

He understood it enough to hold out for 20 grand more. He didn't want to take his chances. He got what he deserved.

Did you read TFA?  All of it?  And you still think "He got what he deserved."Do you sell new rooves in senior communities for a living?


He's an ex-con, not a sweet old granny with dementia. This wasn't a swindle, and it isn't unethical to mislead people in business. I see nothing in the article that makes my think corky got the three card monty treatment.
 
2013-05-24 04:34:30 PM

TNel: skinink: "They don't list his party affiliation. How conveeeeeenient."
And neither did you. You just came in the thread, threw mud then ran off. If it's so important, you could have listed it here.

Next up: Farker gets upset because a crime story didn't list the "race" of the suspect.

Because it's a win-win for him.  A) Republican - Dirty crooked politician looking out for his bank account   B)Democratic - Liberal biased media.


It is Vermont. It's obviously a Democrat though *maybe* an Independent/Green Party though I could look it up.
 
2013-05-24 04:36:51 PM
This whole thing stinks to high hell. Not only did he screw the guy, he also got the property "reappraised" after he argued that the land wasn't worth nearly what the assessor said. The lady dropped the value by $93k, according to the article. She also said that he didn't get preferential treatment, but oh, it's hard not to notice that he has power. What a bunch of bullshiat. This guy is a true weasel.

Good going, asshole governor; way to show your upstanding morals.
 
2013-05-24 04:47:12 PM
Gov. Greeder Shamelin now joins the ranks of SO many great demofelchers in the news like Anthony Penis.  Ethics and morality: totally passe.
 
2013-05-24 05:20:10 PM
I imagine that the house's value would have dropped considerably since 2009, especially considering an ex-con and very likely drug addict/alcoholic lived in it for 3 more years and now it has to be torn down.  Guy probably let it deteriorate to the point where the actual house is worthless.  Most of the money went to child support and back taxes which this deadbeat apparently never bothered paying, and probably doesn't have the ability to anyway.  The governor definitely took advantage of the situation to grab a piece of land for a several thousand dollars less than it was worth, but I imagine that at public auction speculators would have paid WAY more for it if they'd known it was next to the governor's house.
 
2013-05-24 05:32:04 PM
Liberals.
 
2013-05-24 05:44:33 PM
This was a just a typical distressed property sale.  The appraisal was reduced to the value of the foundation because everything else was worthless and had to go.  The owner had no other offers before the gov came along; why?  Because a) he's an incompetent fark who didn't lift a finger to avoid a tax auction eviction, or b) nobody wanted the place at whatever he was asking.

Where were all of these concerned friends before the gov showed up?  Waiting for the tax auction, licking their chops over how cheaply they hoped to get the property.  Now they're pissed because the gov beat them to it.
 
2013-05-24 05:51:48 PM
Selling at "fire sale" prices with an upcoming tax sale/etc is extremely common.  "Worth" is not determined by Zillow it is determined by the people involved in the deal.  It was "Worth" it for him to sell at not 32k but 58k.

Homes (especially run down properties and houses) at auction sell for super cheap.

The really cruddy thing is that people are forced out of their bought and paid for homes for not paying taxes.  I can understand a lien so they can get the money when the house does sell but the process as it stands is the real monster in the story.
 
2013-05-24 05:54:01 PM
BarkingUnicorn: ...
Where were all of these concerned friends before the gov showed up?  Waiting for the tax auction, licking their chops over how cheaply they hoped to get the property.  Now they're pissed because the gov beat them to it.

That was exactly my thought.  The "friend" didn't know about the deal (that sounds like it went on for quite a while) until it was over and done with?
 
2013-05-24 05:56:58 PM
bbcrackmonkey:  The governor definitely took advantage of the situation to grab a piece of land for a several thousand dollars less than it was worth...

How do you know this?  You just argued that the property value is in question for some reasonable issues (neglect by someone obviously incapable of maintaining themselves, their children or anything else).  But, then you automatically assume that the selling price was much lower than actual market value.  What was the market value?  What if it were only worth $60k?  Then the buyer paid a premium.

This is all a one-sided hit piece.  I don't live in Vermont and I don't have much of a soft spot for politicians. But, I do know that I only hear one side of the story and I wouldn't want to be treated to a public lynching just because your sorry asses don't care to use reason to figure out you are hearing one side of a story told by an ex-con who is reportedly a drug addict and owes a lot of people money because he has no sense of responsibility.

And how in the hell have we determined that he is mentally disabled??  Because he says so?  I bet he even claims he's not guilty, too.  What an emotional train wreck this thread is.
 
2013-05-24 05:58:30 PM

Magnus: bbcrackmonkey:  The governor definitely took advantage of the situation to grab a piece of land for a several thousand dollars less than it was worth...

How do you know this?  You just argued that the property value is in question for some reasonable issues (neglect by someone obviously incapable of maintaining themselves, their children or anything else).  But, then you automatically assume that the selling price was much lower than actual market value.  What was the market value?  What if it were only worth $60k?  Then the buyer paid a premium.

This is all a one-sided hit piece.  I don't live in Vermont and I don't have much of a soft spot for politicians. But, I do know that I only hear one side of the story and I wouldn't want to be treated to a public lynching just because your sorry asses don't care to use reason to figure out you are hearing one side of a story told by an ex-con who is reportedly a drug addict and owes a lot of people money because he has no sense of responsibility.

And how in the hell have we determined that he is mentally disabled??  Because he says so?  I bet he even claims he's not guilty, too.  What an emotional train wreck this thread is.


And yet I'm the asshole.
 
2013-05-24 05:58:30 PM
Wow, nice scumbag governor you have there Vermont. I shouldn't be surprised, you once elected Howard Dean.

If the property was really over appraised, maybe Mr. Dodge shouldn't owe any back taxes. But probably the governor just got a sweetheart appraisal. I hear politicians get those things.

Using the same lawyer for both sides of a contract: That's unethical. The state bar should hear about that.
 
2013-05-24 06:04:05 PM

oryx: Wow, nice scumbag governor you have there Vermont. I shouldn't be surprised, you once elected Howard Dean.

If the property was really over appraised, maybe Mr. Dodge shouldn't owe any back taxes. But probably the governor just got a sweetheart appraisal. I hear politicians get those things.

Using the same lawyer for both sides of a contract: That's unethical. The state bar should hear about that.


Wow.  You'll believe any story that comes down the pipeline as long as the ex-con feeding it to you meets your preconceived notions.
 
2013-05-24 06:05:59 PM

lockers: Magnus: bbcrackmonkey:  The governor definitely took advantage of the situation to grab a piece of land for a several thousand dollars less than it was worth...

How do you know this?  You just argued that the property value is in question for some reasonable issues (neglect by someone obviously incapable of maintaining themselves, their children or anything else).  But, then you automatically assume that the selling price was much lower than actual market value.  What was the market value?  What if it were only worth $60k?  Then the buyer paid a premium.

This is all a one-sided hit piece.  I don't live in Vermont and I don't have much of a soft spot for politicians. But, I do know that I only hear one side of the story and I wouldn't want to be treated to a public lynching just because your sorry asses don't care to use reason to figure out you are hearing one side of a story told by an ex-con who is reportedly a drug addict and owes a lot of people money because he has no sense of responsibility.

And how in the hell have we determined that he is mentally disabled??  Because he says so?  I bet he even claims he's not guilty, too.  What an emotional train wreck this thread is.

And yet I'm the asshole.


Reasonable and intelligent people usually are.  We get used it.
 
2013-05-24 06:16:13 PM

vudukungfu: Trashy: It's Vermont, that's cheap plot of land.

Right now, I'll sell you a nice plot of land on Rt 15 and Cilley Hill Road in Jeicho. Cheap.


Only if there's running water.

Just down the road.
 
2013-05-24 06:21:11 PM

hasty ambush: vudukungfu: Trashy: It's Vermont, that's cheap plot of land.

Right now, I'll sell you a nice plot of land on Rt 15 and Cilley Hill Road in Jeicho. Cheap.

Is that near the Army's Mountain Warfare school?

About 5 miles.

 
2013-05-24 06:27:40 PM
Something to keep in mind:  If the place actually was worthless due to lack of maintenance then it's sale value becomes the land value minus the taxes owed minus the demolition costs.  It sounds like that's about what he got for it--this might not be the ripoff it seems like.
 
2013-05-24 06:55:05 PM

dabbletech: Typical farkin' Republican!


Shame he's a Dem.
 
2013-05-24 07:31:20 PM

Magnus: This is all a one-sided hit piece. I don't live in Vermont and I don't have much of a soft spot for politicians. But, I do know that I only hear one side of the story and I wouldn't want to be treated to a public lynching just because your sorry asses don't care to use reason to figure out you are hearing one side of a story told by an ex-con who is reportedly a drug addict and owes a lot of people money because he has no sense of responsibility.


The other side involves lawyers and politicians.  Why would you possibly need more information?
 
2013-05-24 07:57:56 PM
From Wikipedia: Early life, education and career  Shumlin went to high school at the Buxton School, and he graduated from Wesleyan University in 1979.[4] Shumlin served on the Putney Selectboard in the 1980s and helped found Landmark College, which is located in Putney. The college was created to help people with learning disabilities gain a college education. Shumlin's father, George, a third generation American, was Jewish, and descended from immigrants from Russia; Shumlin's mother, Kitty, is an immigrant who grew up in a Protestant family.[5][6]

1) See, he's always helping people with disabilities. Hopefully he didn't have a say in setting tuition.
2) "Shumlin's mother, Kitty" is the most northeastern thing I've ever heard.
 
2013-05-24 09:19:28 PM

Faust_Motel: vudukungfu: Trashy: It's Vermont, that's cheap plot of land.

Right now, I'll sell you a nice plot of land on Rt 15 and Cilley Hill Road in Jeicho. Cheap.

I bet you'll even ship it to Winooski or Colchester, cheap, by river.

/in little tiny pieces


Consider it delivered. F.O.B.
 
2013-05-24 10:40:55 PM

skrame: From Wikipedia: Early life, education and career  Shumlin went to high school at the Buxton School, and he graduated from Wesleyan University in 1979.[4] Shumlin served on the Putney Selectboard in the 1980s and helped found Landmark College, which is located in Putney. The college was created to help people with learning disabilities gain a college education. Shumlin's father, George, a third generation American, was Jewish, and descended from immigrants from Russia; Shumlin's mother, Kitty, is an immigrant who grew up in a Protestant family.[5][6]

1) See, he's always helping people with disabilities. Hopefully he didn't have a say in setting tuition.
2) "Shumlin's mother, Kitty" is the most northeastern thing I've ever heard.


Makes sense.  With a college education, the learning-disabled can earn more money.  The pickings get bigger as well as being easy.
 
2013-05-25 12:05:39 AM

FrancoFile: They don't list his party affiliation.  How conveeeeeenient.


He's a Democrat - is that what you were expecting?
 
2013-05-25 12:08:07 AM
Is he a friend of Donnie?

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2013-05-25 01:31:05 AM
There's a special type of real estate investing that is focused on exactly this: purchasing homes just before they are put up for auction by the creditors. Believe it or not, it's very possible (perhaps even likely) that the governor did nothing illegal or even outright unethical. The value of the home and land is up for debate, but the fact remains that it is legal (and not uncommon) for a private investor to come in just before the auction and offer the owner/debtor a fraction of the property's former value.
Please keep in mind, before anyone tries to take my head off, that a foreclosed property is worth far less than any identical non-foreclosed property. Many public foreclosure auctions do not allow in-home inspections, so bidders presume the worst, and know that foreclosed owners are much more likely to trash or gut the property. In some states, the auction winner also faces the cost and work of forcing the residents off the property; which can take a long time and allow for much more damage to the property. And finally, some types of debts can be linked to the property and NOT to the foreclosed owner, so the buyer would be required to pay those too. This is all still assuming that the purchaser can obtain a clear title on the property.

Now that I've said all the finance stuff, it is quite dumb for the governed to spend his time investing in foreclosures. First, the governor has enough money and better things to do. Second, it can be bad PR, like in this case. I would expect that the governor would instead own a company that does foreclosure investing. I'd also expect a contract to be written out with a bit more style, rather than on the back of a folder.

//I believe I learned this from a book entitled Foreclosure Investing For Dummies several years ago. I also have some experience in the mortgage/real estate industry.
 
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