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2013-05-24 12:26:07 PM
duh
 
2013-05-24 12:26:32 PM
Riiiiiiight......I'm sure the county coroner's office is 100% on the up and up. Oh and Nicole Brown Simpson and Travis Alexander had high cholesterol.
 
2013-05-24 12:28:35 PM
I'd trust it. I mean, why would they lie about something like that.
 
2013-05-24 12:30:51 PM
So...  don't touch the dog, I guess...
 
2013-05-24 12:31:27 PM
Their story/defense is pretty weak...
 
2013-05-24 12:36:26 PM
They're slightly less creative than the Chinese, who coined the medical term "Sudden Adult Death Syndrome" for the official cause of death of people who committed the unforgivable sin of Contempt Of Cop but were most certainly NOT summarily executed.

/another heart attack. Metal Gear. yeah.
 
2013-05-24 12:36:29 PM
Sheriff Donny Youngblood stated that this was a clear example why the Sheriff's Office does  not need an incident review panel that includes ordinary citizens.  Why? Youngblood suggested regular folks not affiliated with law enforcement would be too "emotional" to make reasoned decisions.

See?  He died of naturals causes!  Move along citizen, nothing to see here.
 
2013-05-24 12:36:49 PM
Police beatings are considered a natural cause of death in some parts of this country.  In those places, its just like a freak bear mauling, except probably more common.
 
2013-05-24 12:37:23 PM
I'm sure the meth didn't help but I'm not 100% on board with the heart disease explanation. I also love how the police officer went from "Are you awake" to "Sic the dog on him" pretty quickly according to the police spokesman? Not quite sure how a rigid stance is threatening an officer to the point where you'd have a police dog attack him.
 
2013-05-24 12:38:40 PM
The Police are our friends and want only the best for us.
 
2013-05-24 12:38:40 PM
FTA: "Toxicology tests showed Silva had amphetamines and methamphetamines in his system and a blood alcohol level of 0.095."

He was well above legally drunk and doing uppers. I know cops are never popular, but c'mon! Wiggum said it himself, "he's hopped up on goofballs."
 
2013-05-24 12:39:01 PM
Bull.  Shiat.
 
2013-05-24 12:43:42 PM
I guess I'll try to avoid police beating so I don't get heart disease then.
 
2013-05-24 12:45:45 PM

pseydtonne: He was well above legally drunk and doing uppers. I know cops are never popular, but c'mon! Wiggum said it himself, "he's hopped up on goofballs."


Therefore beating him to death was legally justified.

Pick up that can.
 
2013-05-24 01:00:51 PM

Lehk: Pick up that can.


Heh. I throw it at him every time.
 
2013-05-24 01:01:00 PM

Lehk: pseydtonne: He was well above legally drunk and doing uppers. I know cops are never popular, but c'mon! Wiggum said it himself, "he's hopped up on goofballs."

Therefore beating him to death was legally justified.

Pick up that can.


Here's the thing: the fact he was intoxicated and on other drugs are facts that go against him. Sorry, but ignoring that and only blaming the police is ignorant.

On your side of the argument, however, if you throw a ball at a vase and break it, you can't blame the vase for being fragile. The guy probably was not issued lethal blows when compared to a healthy person. But in his case the blows might have been enough to cause problems due to his health issues. So yeah-- he may have died of heart problems, but they were brought on by being beaten by the police.

But we need to ask what brought about the police beating? The fact is, you don't know.
 
2013-05-24 01:01:31 PM
Silva also received a bite from a K-9 dog.
tried to attack the dog.
The dog bit Silva several times and bit the handler deputy> as well, Youngblood said. Silva grabbed the dog by the throat.


glad they cleared eveything up and turned out to be natural causes.
 
2013-05-24 01:05:38 PM
I thought the headline was serious at first. Give it a few months and the dog bite (or less likely the batons*) could've lead to an infection leading to heart disease.

*batons because, maybe, beating his belly could lead to gut rupture which could lead to bacterial crud going all over the place, which could... I'm stretching it here.
 
2013-05-24 01:06:15 PM
There are numerous eye witnesses that say he was lying on the ground while being beaten, how is he a threat at that time?  A large part of why the media "overreacted" was the handling of the evidence.  The fact that they illegally detained people in an effort to collect evidence (against themselves) adds plenty of fuel to the fire.  Oh, and the missing video, that surely helped to clear the air.
 
2013-05-24 01:08:10 PM
I see, so being beaten and bitten couldn't cause stress that would exacerbate a heart condition.
 
2013-05-24 01:15:19 PM
Youngblood said the first deputy to arrive found Silva lying on the ground and gave him a knuckle rub on the chest to try to wake him up.

So in addition to beating people to death, Kern County Sheriff's Deputies are into giving people chest hair noogies.
 
2013-05-24 01:16:32 PM
That embedded video in the article really clears things up -- like mud!
 
2013-05-24 01:19:43 PM
In the state of California any time you are involved with a county sheriff you are moments away from death.
They are armed rent-a-cops who were found to be so psychologically defective they couldn't get a job as a real policeman. In San Luis Obispo County they have murdered unarmed people in full view of witnesses and family and have gotten away with it.
 
2013-05-24 01:25:56 PM
Shot?! This guy died from traumatic lead poisoning!
 
2013-05-24 01:26:06 PM

Misha80: There are numerous eye witnesses that say he was lying on the ground while being beaten, how is he a threat at that time?  A large part of why the media "overreacted" was the handling of the evidence.  The fact that they illegally detained people in an effort to collect evidence (against themselves) adds plenty of fuel to the fire.  Oh, and the missing video, that surely helped to clear the air.


Yeah, the missing video plus witness accounts doesn't bode well for my belief in the coroner's report. The police need to be very transparent, and this isn't that.
 
2013-05-24 01:35:14 PM

WinoRhino: Lehk: pseydtonne: He was well above legally drunk and doing uppers. I know cops are never popular, but c'mon! Wiggum said it himself, "he's hopped up on goofballs."

Therefore beating him to death was legally justified.

Pick up that can.

Here's the thing: the fact he was intoxicated and on other drugs are facts that go against him. Sorry, but ignoring that and only blaming the police is ignorant.

On your side of the argument, however, if you throw a ball at a vase and break it, you can't blame the vase for being fragile. The guy probably was not issued lethal blows when compared to a healthy person. But in his case the blows might have been enough to cause problems due to his health issues. So yeah-- he may have died of heart problems, but they were brought on by being beaten by the police.

But we need to ask what brought about the police beating? The fact is, you don't know.


Funny thing, that.  If I physically assault someone and they die, I'm probably going to have to answer for murder charges.  Doesn't matter if they hit their head on the sidewalk and splattered their brains, doesn't matter if they had a bad heart, doesn't matter if they attacked me first and I was just defending myself.  The mitigation would come at the trial, whenever they got to that part.  But no one is being charged with murder here.  Even though he was unarmed and didn't have a weapon.  Instead of restraining him and cuffing him and throwing him in the car, they just beat him until he stopped moving.  AGAINST ESTABLISHED POLICE PROCEDURE.
 
2013-05-24 01:39:36 PM
If someone dies indirectly (like of a heart attack) because of a felony (like assault), the 'Felony Murder Rule' applies, and legally, the perpetrator of the felony (gang beating an person without good reason for example) can be charged with Murder.
 
2013-05-24 01:40:09 PM

WinoRhino: Lehk: pseydtonne:

He was well above legally drunk and doing uppers. I know cops are never popular, but c'mon! Wiggum said it himself, "he's hopped up on goofballs."

Therefore beating him to death was legally justified.

Pick up that can.

Here's the thing: the fact he was intoxicated and on other drugs are facts that go against him. Sorry, but ignoring that and only blaming the police is ignorant.

On your side of the argument, however, if you throw a ball at a vase and break it, you can't blame the vase for being fragile. The guy probably was not issued lethal blows when compared to a healthy person. But in his case the blows might have been enough to cause problems due to his health issues. So yeah-- he may have died of heart problems, but they were brought on by being beaten by the police.

But we need to ask what brought about the police beating? The fact is, you don't know.


Actually, as much as I hate cops, that's a reasonable argument. Who are you and how long have you worked for the CIA?!?

/ Or the FBI. Or the Illuminati. Or the Shriners. Take your pick.

By the way, check out the Shriners' logo.upload.wikimedia.org

Not just the Star and Crescent but the Sword of Ali.

jewelsnext.com

And a Middle Eastern god-king.

e08595.medialib.glogster.com


Therefore the Shriners are behind al Qaeda!

Of course you won't believe it. That shows how good their conspiracy is: you're all already brainwashed into laughing at any "weirdo" who might threaten their dominion. Even me, though I'm otherwise so on-the-ball and rational.

Think about it: the ancient formula for subservience was to give the little people lots of bread (so they get fat & lazy) and amuse them with circuses. CIRCUSES! That's PROOF!

See?
 
2013-05-24 01:48:24 PM
I generally give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt, but this incident smells. Eight officers on a drunk in public with K-9 support and no trace of PCP or video showing this violence.  The dashcams convienently directed elsewhere. The quickness that the agency rushed to the witnesses homes to confiscate the video and the treatment of those witnesses raises a red flag.  The fact that one of the videos mysteriously disappeared that showed the bulk of the incident leaving only a video showing the ending after the blows stop.  Then blaming heart disease on a 34 year old for the death just doesn't seem right. The police know how to process and recover cell phone information so presumably they would know how to alter it or delete it so it can't be recovered or leave traces (assuming this is possible).  Without any video all that is left is civilian witness testimony that can easily be dismissed or discredited as they wouldn't know what lawful use of force in a combative situation looks like.

I understand the desire to grab evidence, but you absolutely do not send officers from the department accused of misconduct.  Use an outside agency  or the District Attorney Investigators (sworn police officers) to collect it, make copies of it, before sending it of for processing to the best available agency.  There still may be misconduct possible, but it is minimized as there is less of a tendency to protect someone else who you are not operating with and rely on for support on a daily basis,

We are being quick to condemn before all the facts are out.  However, something certainly doesn't seem right in this case and the conduct afterward only enhances suspicions.  We don't know if something illegal happened, but these explainations are less than satisfying to me.
 
2013-05-24 01:53:40 PM

The One True TheDavid: And a Middle Eastern god-king.


That's not a Middle Eastern god-king.  Look carefully at his features.  Then you'll realize it is the current President of the United States and therefore Obama is the Chosen One.
 
2013-05-24 02:04:36 PM
I bet the coroner remarked about his anus.
 
2013-05-24 02:05:42 PM
I was pulled over by a Kern County Sheriff a couple months ago.

/act friendly and hope they won't kill you
 
2013-05-24 02:08:43 PM
 
2013-05-24 02:14:16 PM
Subby, is a K-9 Dog a special breed or type of dog, different from the rest of the dogs we know?
 
2013-05-24 02:29:05 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Subby, is a K-9 Dog a special breed or type of dog, different from the rest of the dogs we know?


Yes, German Shepherd, for drug/defense dogs.

Anyways, ten-thousand to one says the coroner is a corrupt biatch and covering for the police. Witnesses see head strikes, one coroner says 'no, that didn't happen.'

Bullshiat.
 
2013-05-24 02:30:00 PM

asynchron: Lehk: Pick up that can.

Heh. I throw it at him every time.


i throw it in his face and have to run around the whole station with him chasing me.

/ does not keep a low profile.
 
2013-05-24 02:43:21 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Subby, is a K-9 Dog a special breed or type of dog, different from the rest of the dogs we know?


I thought the same when I read the article and decided to include it in the headline.

/My greenlight cherry has been popped!
//Perhaps it helped that I biatched about it yesterday in a thread
 
2013-05-24 03:28:30 PM

palelizard: The One True TheDavid:

And a Middle Eastern god-king.

That's not a Middle Eastern god-king.  Look carefully at his features.  Then you'll realize it is the current President of the United States and therefore Obama is the Chosen One.


Hot diggety! Where do I bow down to get paid?
 
2013-05-24 05:22:29 PM
FTFA "the first deputy to arrive found Silva lying on the ground and gave him a knuckle rub on the chest to try to wake him up"

WTF???
 
2013-05-24 06:04:38 PM
Hey, if it works for tasers it should work for cops too!

Also I am positive there is a much better video of this out there.  If it's the same beating a man and letting a dog attack him video I am thinking of, there's too many.
 
2013-05-24 06:14:24 PM

Lehk: Therefore beating him to death was legally justified.

Pick up that can.


Yes, because everyone knows that someone hopped up on Meth is usually a nice, compliant person who will never fight with anyone, and are always so polite and cheerful to be around.

SomeCallMeTim: FTFA "the first deputy to arrive found Silva lying on the ground and gave him a knuckle rub on the chest to try to wake him up"

WTF???


It's called a Sternal Rub. It's incredibly painful if you don't have a spinal injury, and a way to tell if someone is able to respond to painful stimuli. Most people have moved away from it because there are better ways of inflicting pain that don't run the risk of aggravating spinal or thoracic injuries.
 
2013-05-24 06:54:31 PM
It's good to know that if average citizen walks into a 7-11, sticks a gun in the clerk's face, and the clerk has a heart attack and dies, that there totally won't be a murder charge.

Right?
 
2013-05-24 06:56:06 PM

AbsentFriends: It's good to know that if average citizen walks into a 7-11, sticks a gun in the clerk's face, and the clerk has a heart attack and dies, that there totally won't be a murder charge.

Right?


Because that's totally what happened here.

i.qkme.me

A better analogy would be that as the Clerk is wrestling the gun away from the Robber in self defense, the guy robbing him has a heart attack.
 
2013-05-24 07:22:02 PM
il dottorreIn the state of California any time you are involved with a county sheriff you are moments away from death.
They are armed rent-a-cops who were found to be so psychologically defective they couldn't get a job as a real policeman. In San Luis Obispo County they have murdered unarmed people in full view of witnesses and family and have gotten away with it.



When I lived in Sacramento years ago, I had an acquintance who worked for SacPD and he commented how he thought the county sheriffs were really violent and that he has come across persons who got the "Rodney King treatment".


OTOH, in the Southbay area of LA County, they patrol quite a few towns that lack a local police department and I've heard good things about them keeping the crime down.
 
2013-05-24 07:27:28 PM
I'm sure the beating didn't hurt a bit... like the light finger push over the edge of a cliff.
 
2013-05-24 07:54:16 PM

hardinparamedic: Lehk: Therefore beating him to death was legally justified.

Pick up that can.

Yes, because everyone knows that someone hopped up on Meth is usually a nice, compliant person who will never fight with anyone, and are always so polite and cheerful to be around.

SomeCallMeTim: FTFA "the first deputy to arrive found Silva lying on the ground and gave him a knuckle rub on the chest to try to wake him up"

WTF???

It's called a Sternal Rub. It's incredibly painful if you don't have a spinal injury, and a way to tell if someone is able to respond to painful stimuli. Most people have moved away from it because there are better ways of inflicting pain that don't run the risk of aggravating spinal or thoracic injuries.


Here's a question - when you find someone seemingly asleep and want to wake them up, how do you do it?

A) say,"hey, wake up" loudly
B) shake their shoulder
C) give them an incredibly painful "sternal rub"

Seriously, that is already abuse of power. If a friend of mine woke me up that way I would probably pinch them in the face. Way to escalate a situation!
 
2013-05-24 08:12:42 PM
All I know is the guy had four kids and decided to get gooned on meth and booze. I'm not trolling, I seriously am sick of junkies and am glad there is one less in the world.

Now his kids have a better chance at life without him!
 
2013-05-24 08:26:43 PM

adamatari: Here's a question - when you find someone seemingly asleep and want to wake them up, how do you do it?

A) say,"hey, wake up" loudly
B) shake their shoulder
C) give them an incredibly painful "sternal rub"

Seriously, that is already abuse of power. If a friend of mine woke me up that way I would probably pinch them in the face. Way to escalate a situation!


Correct Answer: All 3.

A) Awake to Verbal Stimuli
B) Awake to mild physical Stimuli
C) Obtunded and awake to painful stimuli.

Seriously, abuse of power? Do yourself a favor. Never end up in a trauma center with a head injury. Residents are fond of giving nipple twisters to check for responsiveness.
 
2013-05-24 08:50:44 PM

hardinparamedic: adamatari: Here's a question - when you find someone seemingly asleep and want to wake them up, how do you do it?

A) say,"hey, wake up" loudly
B) shake their shoulder
C) give them an incredibly painful "sternal rub"

Seriously, that is already abuse of power. If a friend of mine woke me up that way I would probably pinch them in the face. Way to escalate a situation!

Correct Answer: All 3.

A) Awake to Verbal Stimuli
B) Awake to mild physical Stimuli
C) Obtunded and awake to painful stimuli.

Seriously, abuse of power? Do yourself a favor. Never end up in a trauma center with a head injury. Residents are fond of giving nipple twisters to check for responsiveness.


I am well aware of the medical profession's lack of respect for patients, and I try my best to avoid doctors except when necessary. The doctors I DO go to I believe wouldn't start out with a sternal rub or a nipple twister - that's a sure fire way to lose the trust of your patients before you even start.

But as the article linked above advises, whether you are police or EMT or resident, you shouldn't use a sternal rub unless other methods don't work. The impression I'm getting right now is that the cops here didn't exactly try the soft route before embarking on "junky beat down".
 
2013-05-24 09:45:33 PM

redmid17: I'm sure the meth didn't help but I'm not 100% on board with the heart disease explanation. I also love how the police officer went from "Are you awake" to "Sic the dog on him" pretty quickly according to the police spokesman? Not quite sure how a rigid stance is threatening an officer to the point where you'd have a police dog attack him.


Cause most cops are complete pus*ys. Get angry like a child when you dont do as your told.

christopher dorner should be sainted
 
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