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2013-05-24 11:57:33 AM
And in 2018, the Winter Olympics will be held in Korea.
 
2013-05-24 12:07:52 PM
2014: Caucasus region - Several ongoing regional civil wars and city controlled totally by the Russian mob
2016: Rio - City run by gang warlords
2018: South Korea  - Tubby with Nuclear weapons to the north
 
2013-05-24 12:09:42 PM
Well that's why they're bringing the Olympics in, silly.  The Olympics cures all ills..
 
2013-05-24 12:13:08 PM

WTF Indeed: 2014: Caucasus region - Several ongoing regional civil wars and city controlled totally by the Russian mob
2016: Rio - City run by gang warlords
2018: South Korea  - Tubby with Nuclear weapons to the north

1988: South Korea - Shorty with nuclear weapons to the north
1984: Los Angeles - city run by gang warlords
1980: Lake Placid - tiny town in the middle of absolutely nowhere in the Adirondacks, with only one road in or out of town
1936: Berlin - you know who else liked physical culture?
 
2013-05-24 12:14:35 PM
Farking Chechens
 
2013-05-24 12:19:30 PM

theurge14: Well that's why they're bringing the Olympics in, silly.  The Olympics cures all ills..


Well, for Seoul... yeah, it kind of did.
 
2013-05-24 12:19:53 PM
Kim Kardashian's frenulum?
 
2013-05-24 12:27:07 PM
Herr Putin has a plan to pacify the area so chill
 
2013-05-24 12:31:50 PM
I don't think 'conflict' will affect NBC's ability to present personal interest stories about Americans interspersed with the occasional footage of the athletic performances of said Americans.
 
2013-05-24 12:35:06 PM
There are fears that Islamist groups from nearby Chechnya and Dagestan could be plotting attacks already

And yet somehow Richard Jewell will still get blamed.
 
2013-05-24 12:37:33 PM

AliceBToklasLives: I don't think 'conflict' will affect NBC's ability to present personal interest stories about Americans interspersed with the occasional footage of the athletic performances of said Americans

on tape delay.

FTFY
 
2013-05-24 12:41:17 PM
Olympic Village will still be epicenter of sexy time.
 
2013-05-24 12:44:17 PM
It is in the Russians best interest for the Olympics to go as smooth as possible.  The Russian mobsters won't harm the games.  But that would be a coup de grace for any country Russia has pissed off - Chechnya, Dagestan, Georgia, etc, which all happen to be quite close to Sochi.
 
2013-05-24 12:46:14 PM
This will make me want to watch the biatholon
 
2013-05-24 12:48:14 PM

SlothB77: It is in the Russians best interest for the Olympics to go as smooth as possible.  The Russian mobsters won't harm the games.  But that would be a coup de grace for any country Russia has pissed off - Chechnya, Dagestan, Georgia, etc, which all happen to be quite close to Sochi.


Yeah the Russian Mob will be well paid off from the government to stay far away from any venue and to keep their activities to a minimum. As far as the other guys, there will probably enough Russian military around the city to start 3 wars.
 
2013-05-24 12:51:58 PM
Who cares.

I wanna watch me some Russians ice skating and watching curling events.
 
2013-05-24 12:52:56 PM

ongbok: Yeah the Russian Mob will be well paid off from the government to stay far away from any venue and to keep their activities to a minimum.


Who do you think will be running the games and collecting the profits?
 
2013-05-24 12:58:28 PM
It really doesn't matter that Sochi is *close* to the conflict regions. They could hold it somewhere in Randomsvilleski, Siberia and it still carries the same risk.

Well, I guess it would make it SLIGHTLY harder if any terrorist from the Caucuses has to spend 4 days on the Trans-Siberian rail....
 
2013-05-24 01:05:02 PM

pag1107: ongbok: Yeah the Russian Mob will be well paid off from the government to stay far away from any venue and to keep their activities to a minimum.

Who do you think will be running the games and collecting the profits?


They already are collecting the profits. It's already the most expensive Games ever, despite the Winter Olympics being 1/3 to 1/2 of what a Summer Olympics are.

/Beijing 2008 was the most expensive
//Sochi has spent over 125% of what was spent on Beijing.
 
2013-05-24 01:05:29 PM

puckrock2000: WTF Indeed: 2014: Caucasus region - Several ongoing regional civil wars and city controlled totally by the Russian mob
2016: Rio - City run by gang warlords
2018: South Korea  - Tubby with Nuclear weapons to the north

1988: South Korea - Shorty with nuclear weapons to the north


Are you referring to Russia or the Norks? Pretty certain the Norks didn't have nukes in '88. The Russians wouldn't start WW3 over the Olympics.

1984: Los Angeles - city run by gang warlords

Are you seriously equating 80s LA with Rio? Really? Point me towards the cartel-run favelas in LA and I'll hear you out.

1980: Lake Placid - tiny town in the middle of absolutely nowhere in the Adirondacks, with only one road in or out of town

Because Turin, Lillehammer, and Albertville are such huge cities.

1936: Berlin - you know who else liked physical culture?

Can blame ya for Godwinning.
 
2013-05-24 01:13:06 PM
puckrock2000:
1988: South Korea - Shorty with nuclear weapons to the northI was unaware North Korea also had a time machine in 1988 to get nuclear weapons from 2004.
1984: Los Angeles - city run by gang warlords I'm pretty sure the Crips and the Bloods did not have total control over the entire population of a city like the Rio slum gangs do.
1980: Lake Placid - tiny town in the middle of absolutely nowhere in the Adirondacks, with only one road in or out of town And your point?
1936: Berlin - you know who else liked physical culture? You know who else doesn't know when the War started?
 
2013-05-24 01:16:37 PM
The tight security will make people feel like they are in a pressure cooker.
 
2013-05-24 01:25:21 PM
Way to not know a goddamn thing, asshole.

puckrock2000: 1980: Lake Placid - tiny town in the middle of absolutely nowhere in the Adirondacks, with only one road in or out of town


There are actually two roads out of town, pal. What, do you think people who want to go to Wilmington have drive all the way over to Keene? That's just silly.

/three if you count the road to Saranac Lake. But nobody really does.
 
2013-05-24 01:27:18 PM
Oh surely no one would do anything terrorist-like at the Olympics.
 
2013-05-24 01:29:03 PM

grinding_journalist: puckrock2000: WTF Indeed: 2014: Caucasus region - Several ongoing regional civil wars and city controlled totally by the Russian mob
2016: Rio - City run by gang warlords
2018: South Korea  - Tubby with Nuclear weapons to the north

1988: South Korea - Shorty with nuclear weapons to the north

Are you referring to Russia or the Norks? Pretty certain the Norks didn't have nukes in '88. The Russians wouldn't start WW3 over the Olympics.

1984: Los Angeles - city run by gang warlords

Are you seriously equating 80s LA with Rio? Really? Point me towards the cartel-run favelas in LA and I'll hear you out.

1980: Lake Placid - tiny town in the middle of absolutely nowhere in the Adirondacks, with only one road in or out of town

Because Turin, Lillehammer, and Albertville are such huge cities.

1936: Berlin - you know who else liked physical culture?

Can blame ya for Godwinning.


I completely agree with you but Turin is not really a small mountain village. The population is close to a million more if you count the total metro area. It's also a major industrial area.
 
2013-05-24 01:35:49 PM
Plus - right next door will be all the dementors!  Practice your Expecto Petronum's!
 
2013-05-24 01:36:19 PM

grinding_journalist: puckrock2000: WTF Indeed: 2014: Caucasus region - Several ongoing regional civil wars and city controlled totally by the Russian mob
2016: Rio - City run by gang warlords
2018: South Korea  - Tubby with Nuclear weapons to the north

1988: South Korea - Shorty with nuclear weapons to the north

Are you referring to Russia or the Norks? Pretty certain the Norks didn't have nukes in '88. The Russians wouldn't start WW3 over the Olympics.


Okay, not nukes in 1988, but certainly nerve gas and other chemical and bioweapons.

1984: Los Angeles - city run by gang warlords

Are you seriously equating 80s LA with Rio? Really? Point me towards the cartel-run favelas in LA and I'll hear you out.


You mean, like Compton? South Central LA?

1980: Lake Placid - tiny town in the middle of absolutely nowhere in the Adirondacks, with only one road in or out of town

Because Turin, Lillehammer, and Albertville are such huge cities.


Population in 2012:
Turin: 911,823
Lillhammer: 26,639
Albertville: 18,480
Lake Placid: 4,549
The only Olympic city with a smaller population than Lake Placid was Squaw Valley, CA, which was an unincorporated village with only one resident at the time the games were awarded.

1936: Berlin - you know who else liked physical culture?

Can blame ya for Godwinning.
 
2013-05-24 01:37:35 PM
Will I have to have a particular set of skills to make it out of Sochi?

/Doesn't plan on going
 
2013-05-24 01:38:27 PM

AliceBToklasLives: I don't think 'conflict' will affect NBC's ability to present personal interest stories about Americans interspersed with the occasional footage of the athletic performances of said Americans.


Delivered by Bob Kostas in his winter hairpiece and shot through a lens so long it's in a low lunar orbit.
 
2013-05-24 01:44:01 PM
They moved the winter olympics to Kabul?
 
2013-05-24 01:46:31 PM

Wettner: Will I have to have a particular set of skills to make it out of Sochi?

/Doesn't plan on going


I wanted to go. But the more I looked into it, the shadier it got.
 
2013-05-24 01:48:19 PM

soopey: I wanted to go. But the more I looked into it, the shadier it got.


From looking at the pictures, while the overall architecture of the city is certainly much different, Sochi's setting looks eerily like Vancouver BC.
 
2013-05-24 01:55:01 PM

puckrock2000: Are you seriously equating 80s LA with Rio? Really? Point me towards the cartel-run favelas in LA and I'll hear you out.

You mean, like Compton? South Central LA?


While I agree that gangs basically ran Compton in the 80s, I really don't think you can compare it with Rio.

From wiki: With roughly 23.8 homicides per 100,000 residents,[8] muggings, robberies, [9] and gang violence[10] Brazil is one of the most criminalized countries of the world.

Whereas LA has less violent crime than Detroit.

/meant to say can't blame ya for godwinning
 
2013-05-24 02:11:25 PM

grinding_journalist: puckrock2000: Are you seriously equating 80s LA with Rio? Really? Point me towards the cartel-run favelas in LA and I'll hear you out.

You mean, like Compton? South Central LA?

While I agree that gangs basically ran Compton in the 80s, I really don't think you can compare it with Rio.

From wiki: With roughly 23.8 homicides per 100,000 residents,[8] muggings, robberies, [9] and gang violence[10] Brazil is one of the most criminalized countries of the world.

Whereas LA has less violent crime than Detroit.

/meant to say can't blame ya for godwinning


The bloods nor the crips never used a rocket launcher to shoot down a police helicopter like the gangs in areas of Rio did. The United States military has never gotten into street to street battles with the gangs of Compton like the Brazilian army has with the gangs in Rio.
 
2013-05-24 02:17:56 PM
You know, I'm just GLAD all of you folks forgot about those Winter Olympics they held in that nice little Balkan city of Sarajevo.
 
2013-05-24 02:23:21 PM

rjakobi: You know, I'm just GLAD all of you folks forgot about those Winter Olympics they held in that nice little Balkan city of Sarajevo.


I was not aware that there were actual threats of violence at the Sarajevo Olympics.

I thought the Communists still had a firm grip on the country then.
 
2013-05-24 02:36:38 PM

Killer Cars: soopey: I wanted to go. But the more I looked into it, the shadier it got.

From looking at the pictures, while the overall architecture of the city is certainly much different, Sochi's setting looks eerily like Vancouver BC.


That's because it is. Why the material shortages in Van recently? They are building fake fronts for the 'Sochi village' just outside of Vancouver.
 
2013-05-24 03:22:36 PM

ongbok: grinding_journalist: puckrock2000: Are you seriously equating 80s LA with Rio? Really? Point me towards the cartel-run favelas in LA and I'll hear you out.

You mean, like Compton? South Central LA?

While I agree that gangs basically ran Compton in the 80s, I really don't think you can compare it with Rio.

From wiki: With roughly 23.8 homicides per 100,000 residents,[8] muggings, robberies, [9] and gang violence[10] Brazil is one of the most criminalized countries of the world.

Whereas LA has less violent crime than Detroit.

/meant to say can't blame ya for godwinning

The bloods nor the crips never used a rocket launcher to shoot down a police helicopter like the gangs in areas of Rio did. The United States military has never gotten into street to street battles with the gangs of Compton like the Brazilian army has with the gangs in Rio.


I read a letter in the local paper written by a WWII combat veteran who said (he was writing about immigration, I believe) that he and his generation didn't go off and fight and die in WWII just to watch the cities in this country turn into Quito or Rio.
 
2013-05-24 03:27:00 PM
37 posts and nothing about:
- the bombing at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics
- the massacre at the 1972 Munich Olympics?

Then again: I don't have a good feeling about these Olympics in "strange" places along with the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.
 
2013-05-24 03:56:43 PM

Crewmannumber6: This will make me want to watch the biatholon


I used to think the biathalon had something to do with bisexuality. Come to think of it, I still do.
 
2013-05-24 04:30:01 PM
What an asstastic website design.
 
2013-05-24 06:21:05 PM

puckrock2000: Population in 2012:
Turin: 911,823
Lillhammer: 26,639
Albertville: 18,480
Lake Placid: 4,549
The only Olympic city with a smaller population than Lake Placid was Squaw Valley, CA, which was an unincorporated village with only one resident at the time the games were awarded.


The 1980 Winter Olympics only gave out 115 medals.  The 2010 Winter Olympics gave 258 medals.
 
2013-05-24 10:03:28 PM

mjohnson71: 37 posts and nothing about:
- the bombing at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics
- the massacre at the 1972 Munich Olympics?

Then again: I don't have a good feeling about these Olympics in "strange" places along with the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.


Well, somebody did mention Richard Jewell upthread, but yeah- I've been wondering just how peaceful the Munich area was in the eraly 70's. I'd be skittish about visiting the Caucasus, sure, but terrorist assholes will still be terrorist assholes, wherever the Games are.
 
2013-05-24 11:26:28 PM
One of the dirty little secrets of the Olympics is that visitors going to the games don't venture out very far from the official venues. Almost every city that hosts the Olympics is filled with very disappointed businesses that thought they were going to have the biggest uptick in sales ever but often actually get less business because visitors don't wander out and the locals have had their normal routines disrupted. In a way it's a bit of karma because often these business owners are some of the biggest pushers of the massive public spending required to host the games.

Rio will be interesting because the beaches and the venues are likely to be locked down more than a Supermax prison. I expect any locals who come around to screw with the visitors will at the very least get their face smashed in and at most, simply disappear. Those who wander away from the touristy places are likely to find it an unintentionally exciting experience. Those who stay in the officially blessed neighborhoods and stick to the official transportation and entertainment will be fine. Wonder how the local government is going to accommodate the sex business. People are going to want to make use of it and the powers that be aren't going to want to let visitors to be preyed upon but you can't have an official brothel of the Olympics.
 
2013-05-25 01:39:03 AM

EngineerAU: One of the dirty little secrets of the Olympics is that visitors going to the games don't venture out very far from the official venues. Almost every city that hosts the Olympics is filled with very disappointed businesses that thought they were going to have the biggest uptick in sales ever but often actually get less business because visitors don't wander out and the locals have had their normal routines disrupted. In a way it's a bit of karma because often these business owners are some of the biggest pushers of the massive public spending required to host the games.

Rio will be interesting because the beaches and the venues are likely to be locked down more than a Supermax prison. I expect any locals who come around to screw with the visitors will at the very least get their face smashed in and at most, simply disappear. Those who wander away from the touristy places are likely to find it an unintentionally exciting experience. Those who stay in the officially blessed neighborhoods and stick to the official transportation and entertainment will be fine. Wonder how the local government is going to accommodate the sex business. People are going to want to make use of it and the powers that be aren't going to want to let visitors to be preyed upon but you can't have an official brothel of the Olympics.


That probably is true for most Olympic hosts. There has to be more to do than  just the venues and Olympic related stuff for there to be some tangible effect from the Games. London business probably saw an uptick in sales because there's much more to do there (and many venues were around major landmarks which probably helped) compared to a place like Atlanta.

As far as Rio goes... well, let's wait to see them finish the venues first.
 
2013-05-25 02:04:18 AM

desertgeek: London business probably saw an uptick in sales because there's much more to do there (and many venues were around major landmarks which probably helped) compared to a place like Atlanta.


Nope.

The Olympics Called A 'Complete And Utter Disaster' For London Businesses

Same for Vancouver and most other Olympics. The IOC and the cities bidding are well aware of the problem but they don't do anything about it because keeping everyone nearby means the Olympics get the money instead of local business. And they need the support of the local community to support all the spending so they keep the this on the down low.  The Olympics are great for civic pride and infrastructure construction but terrible for most local businesses.

/Use to work for the IOC in ambush marketing
 
2013-05-25 03:02:11 AM

EngineerAU: One of the dirty little secrets of the Olympics is that visitors going to the games don't venture out very far from the official venues. Almost every city that hosts the Olympics is filled with very disappointed businesses that thought they were going to have the biggest uptick in sales ever but often actually get less business because visitors don't wander out and the locals have had their normal routines disrupted. In a way it's a bit of karma because often these business owners are some of the biggest pushers of the massive public spending required to host the games.


As someone who lived through one two years ago, you are full of shiat. Downtown Vancouver had hundreds of thousands of people in its commercial center every single day. The streets were closed and no traffic was allowed inside a 10 block radius (Davie-Georgia, Homer-Bute) because it essentially became party central. Businesses were booming, especially bars and restaurants. The gold medal final had an estimated 1 million people on the streets, and I should know because I was crowd-surfing in that shiat.

farm5.static.flickr.com

This is what it essentially looked like for 14 straight days. Like Mardis Gras meets New Years at Time Square. Vancouver was one hell of a motherfarking party. Can't speak for other Olympics. Maybe they just didn't have the right spirit.
 
2013-05-25 08:44:10 AM
i1228.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-25 10:58:48 AM
Why, is it next to a planned parenthood clinic?
 
2013-05-25 02:16:18 PM

EngineerAU: One of the dirty little secrets of the Olympics is that visitors going to the games don't venture out very far from the official venues. Almost every city that hosts the Olympics is filled with very disappointed businesses that thought they were going to have the biggest uptick in sales ever but often actually get less business because visitors don't wander out and the locals have had their normal routines disrupted. In a way it's a bit of karma because often these business owners are some of the biggest pushers of the massive public spending required to host the games.


And that is why I'm so very, very farking glad that Chicago didn't get the Olympics. Traffic around here is bad enough as it is. I don't even want to think about what it would be like with the Olympics in town - not to mention, forget about getting anywhere near the lake.
 
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