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2013-05-24 11:32:01 AM  

Fark U: Notice how all the "naysayers" of green energy always use fallacy logic to "power" their arguments.

Germany is still going strong, just like Japan did for the year that they had ZERO nuclear plants in operation.... guess they didn't "need" nuclear afterall.


Germany will not shut down it's reactors until 2022.  The current plan in place agrees there will not be sufficient energy generated internally at this time and energy will have to come from France.

Its a fact, and no amount of name calling, and putting quotes on things and randomly capitalizing words while throwing your little temper tantrums changes that reality.

Solar is not going to help in the cloudy perpetually raining North, and the Greens there are farking whining about running power lines through areas of germany for environmental reasons - so not only can you not have nuclear power, but apparently you can't even transmit green energy.

Its a political scam that cashed in on Ze German population's kneejerk opposition to nuclear.
 
2013-05-24 11:32:45 AM  
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2013-05-24 11:35:33 AM  
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And I say to countries like France and Poland. Let bygones be bygones. Open your hearts and lower your defenses. Let the German people charm you once again with their crushing love and desire to make things better. Und now, a vord from our sponsor Audi VW. Makers of the new Panzerschlaggerblitzenvagon. Own the road and the countryside in a 2013 Panzerschlaggerblitzenvagon.
 
2013-05-24 11:40:45 AM  
No one who speaks german could be evil. that's why everyone likes them.
 
2013-05-24 11:45:14 AM  
Here is the City I served in back in the 80's

Aschaffenburg, Germany

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www.die-fraenkischen-staedte.de

And, the greatest beer I have ever tasted is from Aschaffenburg.

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2013-05-24 11:45:36 AM  
siebsig
 
2013-05-24 11:47:21 AM  

bungle_jr: siebsig


shaking proverbial tiny fist at Beerguy!

/siebzig...ftfm
//ein und siebzig, thanks to Beerguy
 
2013-05-24 11:50:56 AM  
Apparently no one mentioned the war.
 
2013-05-24 11:51:24 AM  
people who have never been to germany are always fascinated when i and another person discover we've both spent time there and strike up a conversation.

the person who hasn't been there will ask "so what's so special about germany? everyone who has been there goes on and on about how great it is"

i say, "well, it's mostly small differences...like, take for instance their grocery stores. essentially the same as in the usa, but instead of a 4 ft section on an aisle containing a couple varieties of ketchup and mustard, there is an entire aisle of nothing but ketchup and mustard varieties."

this causes further confusion, rather than enlightenment.
 
2013-05-24 11:51:46 AM  
I will now tell you a German joke. "A sausage maker buys a box of cereal."

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2013-05-24 11:53:31 AM  

bungle_jr: i say, "well, it's mostly small differences...like, take for instance their grocery stores. essentially the same as in the usa, but instead of a 4 ft section on an aisle containing a couple varieties of ketchup and mustard, there is an entire aisle of nothing but ketchup and mustard varieties."


If only they kept civilized hours and carried other products, they would be awesome.

Every time I came back from Germany to the states I would just go to a grocery store at some late hour on a Sunday and wander around looking at stuff in amazement just because of the novelty of being able to do so.
 
2013-05-24 11:53:42 AM  
USA! USA!  USA!  WE'RE #1 AGAIN!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_accidents_by_coun tr y#United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reactor_accidents_in_the_United _S tates

The United States General Accountability Office reported more than 150 incidents from 2001 to 2006 alone of nuclear plants not performing within acceptable safety guidelines. In 2006, it said: "Since 2001, the ROP has resulted in more than 4,000 inspection findings concerning nuclear power plant licensees' failure to fully comply with NRC regulations and industry standards for safe plant operation, and NRC has subjected more than 75 percent (79) of the 103 operating plants to increased oversight for varying periods". Seventy-one percent of all recorded major nuclear accidents, including meltdowns, explosions, fires, and loss of coolants, occurred in the United States, and they happened during both normal operations as well as emergency situations such as floods, droughts, and earthquakes.

/done with this discussion, I am well versed on nuclear dangers and everything else I discuss.  I don't have any more time to argue with elementary level internet posting logic.  Maybe you can explain to your children of the future why everything is contaminated and why everyone has to accept cancer as a "way of life" because you were too busy being snarky on websites.
 
2013-05-24 11:56:24 AM  

Beerguy: And, the greatest beer I have ever tasted is from Aschaffenburg.



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Ayinger Altbairisch Dunkel is currently my favorite.
 
2013-05-24 11:56:41 AM  

lilplatinum: bungle_jr: i say, "well, it's mostly small differences...like, take for instance their grocery stores. essentially the same as in the usa, but instead of a 4 ft section on an aisle containing a couple varieties of ketchup and mustard, there is an entire aisle of nothing but ketchup and mustard varieties."

If only they kept civilized hours and carried other products, they would be awesome.

Every time I came back from Germany to the states I would just go to a grocery store at some late hour on a Sunday and wander around looking at stuff in amazement just because of the novelty of being able to do so.


Nothing like 24-hour grocery stores. Surprisingly few in Northern Virginia, but in Charlottesville, they're easy to find.
 
2013-05-24 11:56:56 AM  

lilplatinum: bungle_jr: i say, "well, it's mostly small differences...like, take for instance their grocery stores. essentially the same as in the usa, but instead of a 4 ft section on an aisle containing a couple varieties of ketchup and mustard, there is an entire aisle of nothing but ketchup and mustard varieties."

If only they kept civilized hours and carried other products, they would be awesome.

Every time I came back from Germany to the states I would just go to a grocery store at some late hour on a Sunday and wander around looking at stuff in amazement just because of the novelty of being able to do so.


truth...but i know change has been happening. when i left germany in 2002, almost no businesses accepted mc/visa/etc, only cash or the bank card from a specific bank. when i went back in 04, all the major retailers/grocers took credit/debit, and they had longer hours. i can't recall if that included sundays, but definitely included later evenings during the week, and into the afternoons on saturdays.
 
2013-05-24 11:59:29 AM  

Hetfield: Beerguy: And, the greatest beer I have ever tasted is from Aschaffenburg.


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Ayinger Altbairisch Dunkel is currently my favorite.


That stuff is just wunderbar.
 
2013-05-24 11:59:43 AM  

bungle_jr: truth...but i know change has been happening. when i left germany in 2002, almost no businesses accepted mc/visa/etc, only cash or the bank card from a specific bank. when i went back in 04, all the major retailers/grocers took credit/debit, and they had longer hours. i can't recall if that included sundays, but definitely included later evenings during the week, and into the afternoons on saturdays.


It varies - it's probably better in the South where there are lots of Americans they want to cater to.   Since germans don't generally have revolving credit like we do, credit card acceptance was pretty rare in Hamburg - none of the grocery stores (maybe one of the really big ones outside of town) took CCs and everything everything was mandated closed on Sunday (barring a few special shopping Sundays) - all as of Dec 2011 when I left.

I understand it was worse before I got there, as stores used to close ass early on Saturdays too.  Baby steps.   Maybe one day you will be allowed to mow your yard on a Sunday.
 
2013-05-24 12:00:30 PM  

Hetfield: Beerguy: And, the greatest beer I have ever tasted is from Aschaffenburg.


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Ayinger Altbairisch Dunkel is currently my favorite.


Ooooohh....

I didn't know they make a Dunkel.

I now know my quest.
 
2013-05-24 12:01:01 PM  
Also awesome was neither Saturn nor Ikea, the equivilant of Best Buy, didn't take farking credit cards.  That made it fun to furnish an apartment before I had a german bank account...   Hold on, let me go to the ATM and see if I can pull like 3 grand out in intervals of 200.
 
2013-05-24 12:01:41 PM  

lilplatinum: Also awesome was neither Saturn nor Ikea, the equivilant of Best Buy,


Mixed that up, Saturn is like Best Buy...  Ikea is like cheap disposable crap.
 
2013-05-24 12:06:01 PM  

Evil Mackerel: That stuff is just wunderbar.


Hell yes.

Beerguy: I didn't know they make a Dunkel.


It's soooo good. Sooooooooo good.
 
2013-05-24 12:06:56 PM  

lilplatinum: bungle_jr: truth...but i know change has been happening. when i left germany in 2002, almost no businesses accepted mc/visa/etc, only cash or the bank card from a specific bank. when i went back in 04, all the major retailers/grocers took credit/debit, and they had longer hours. i can't recall if that included sundays, but definitely included later evenings during the week, and into the afternoons on saturdays.

It varies - it's probably better in the South where there are lots of Americans they want to cater to.   Since germans don't generally have revolving credit like we do, credit card acceptance was pretty rare in Hamburg - none of the grocery stores (maybe one of the really big ones outside of town) took CCs and everything everything was mandated closed on Sunday (barring a few special shopping Sundays) - all as of Dec 2011 when I left.

I understand it was worse before I got there, as stores used to close ass early on Saturdays too.  Baby steps.   Maybe one day you will be allowed to mow your yard on a Sunday.


i was fine with it the "old" way...yes i did have to plan better, being accustomed to america's 24-hour lifestyle, but i have fond memories of going to stores before noon with my dad when i was a kid, because these stores closed at noon on saturdays.

something about the stores closing early and being closed on sundays added to my enjoyment of germany. showed something about their priorities. saturday afternoons and sundays were better spent enjoying things besides shopping.

so saturday evenings, for me, were spent either going to clubs/bars, or "eros" houses
 
2013-05-24 12:08:52 PM  

lilplatinum: lilplatinum: Also awesome was neither Saturn nor Ikea, the equivilant of Best Buy,

Mixed that up, Saturn is like Best Buy...  Ikea is like cheap disposable crap.


i was not familiar with saturn...we had Media Markt as a best buy equivilant. i typically just bought cds there, so no biggie on the money thing
 
2013-05-24 12:09:06 PM  
Belgian beer is better.
 
2013-05-24 12:12:29 PM  

esteban9: Belgian beer is better.


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I would like to hold sexual congress with Affligem Dubbel.
 
2013-05-24 12:14:08 PM  

bungle_jr: i was not familiar with saturn...we had Media Markt as a best buy equivilant.


Media Markt and Saturn belong to the same company.
 
2013-05-24 12:15:19 PM  

bungle_jr: i was fine with it the "old" way...yes i did have to plan better, being accustomed to america's 24-hour lifestyle, but i have fond memories of going to stores before noon with my dad when i was a kid, because these stores closed at noon on saturdays.

something about the stores closing early and being closed on sundays added to my enjoyment of germany. showed something about their priorities. saturday afternoons and sundays were better spent enjoying things besides shopping.


All well and good if you are a traditional family.   If you are a single guy who happens to work during the relatively short weekday hours, it is not fun having to do all of your shopping on a Saturday morning.

Added to the fact that bars didn't close, and all my farking german friends would want to meet up at the bar at midnight meant the likelihood of actuallly waking up in time to do the shopping was pretty low.

I ate a lot of delivery.

There was always a longstanding argument about the pros and cons of Sunday shopping in Germany.  They claimed it is their stand against rampant commercialism.  I tended to take the view that if the irresistible siren call of shopping made it impossible for you to do anything else unless the stores were forcibly closed, the problem is with the consumer rather than the system.
 
2013-05-24 12:16:59 PM  

lilplatinum: lilplatinum: Also awesome was neither Saturn nor Ikea, the equivilant of Best Buy,

Mixed that up, Saturn is like Best Buy...  Ikea is like cheap disposable crap.


"like"?
 
2013-05-24 12:18:08 PM  

Hetfield: bungle_jr: i was not familiar with saturn...we had Media Markt as a best buy equivilant.

Media Markt and Saturn belong to the same company.


ah ha! did not know that.

lilplatinum: bungle_jr: i was fine with it the "old" way...yes i did have to plan better, being accustomed to america's 24-hour lifestyle, but i have fond memories of going to stores before noon with my dad when i was a kid, because these stores closed at noon on saturdays.

something about the stores closing early and being closed on sundays added to my enjoyment of germany. showed something about their priorities. saturday afternoons and sundays were better spent enjoying things besides shopping.

All well and good if you are a traditional family.   If you are a single guy who happens to work during the relatively short weekday hours, it is not fun having to do all of your shopping on a Saturday morning.

Added to the fact that bars didn't close, and all my farking german friends would want to meet up at the bar at midnight meant the likelihood of actuallly waking up in time to do the shopping was pretty low.

I ate a lot of delivery.

There was always a longstanding argument about the pros and cons of Sunday shopping in Germany.  They claimed it is their stand against rampant commercialism.  I tended to take the view that if the irresistible siren call of shopping made it impossible for you to do anything else unless the stores were forcibly closed, the problem is with the consumer rather than the system.


all good points. like i said, i did have to make constant adjustments. it did help for convenience and basic food items that we had a 24 hour shopette on base.
 
2013-05-24 12:20:18 PM  
No fair, It's just a popularity contest.

P.S. Send Euros.
 
2013-05-24 12:20:42 PM  
Spent most of my 20's stationed in Germany. I approve of the ranking.
 
2013-05-24 12:22:09 PM  

lilplatinum: Suede head: I admire Germany and wish I were German.

Well start eating tons of bland food (limited to only white asparagas when it is in season), go to Majorca every single vacation, and start sporting some Jack Wolfskin and you will be halfway there.


You're also going to want to start studying up on your David Hasselhoff lore
 
2013-05-24 12:48:02 PM  
Here's a link to the Beeb, which did the poll:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22624104

Germany is number one with 59% mostly positive and 15% mostly negative.

Canada and the UK are tied at 55% mostly positive, but Canada has fewer critics than even Germany, at 13%. You know who you are, Farkers!

The UK has 18% mostly negative but that is understandable. The Irish are never going to forgive or forget. Quite a few people are constantly renewed in the vigour of their anglophobia. Mostly they are slighted or disappointed anglophiles, though, so there's no known cure except kicking English and Scottish butt occasionally. Like Australia does in football. Or Canada does in curling, etc.

The UK is next, followed by former leader, Japan, and then France. All of these rank above the EU, which is to stay, have their heads above the water line.

Brazil, the US and Chine form the next block of very large, growing countries that step on a lot of toes.

They have a large number of dislikes as well as likes, and the two are inversely related, so China is pretty much loathed by as many people as like it, while the US maintains a 45 to 34 positive vote, which isn't bad but surely isn't great for a country that is still a super-power and which claims to be the Saviour of the World as frequently as it infuriates the World.

The thing about the UK is that despite leaving behind political and economic minefields for new governments and societies, it stepped out more or less gracefully and maintains many positive memories and links for her former colonies, especially the heavily Anglo-colonized dominions (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.)

The USA doesn't seem to have any interest in departing, gracefully or otherwise. It continues to step on toes (and noses) without much remorse, even when the "liberals" are notionally in power. Obama is not a bit less America First than any other President. Where foreign policy is concerned, it's pretty much meet the new boss, same as the old boss all the way back to Washington. American Realism is not very sentimental. The main theme is what have you done for us lately? with an emphasis on right now and next.

Strong negotiating skills. Needs work on tact and consideration. On the whole though, America seems to follow in Momma's firm but relatively fair footsteps, albeit with higher spirits and more colateral damage.

Looking at the bottom of the list, the lessons seems to be:

* don't be terrorists
* don't secretly support terrorists
* don't give terrorists safe harbour
* Israel still sucks.

Israel, like Russia and India (both above it on the list) don't much care what anybody else thinks. They do what they want and don't ask for forgiveness, let alone permission. They make a lawyer's case for their virtues and their friends and allies ignore their vices, while their enemies ignore their virtues and everybody who is luke-warm is deemed an enemy of God and Man by both sides.

In the middle, South Korea and South Africa have almost exactly balanced numbers of critics and fans.

Marks need improvement. Do not play well with the other children. Some progress is evident but work still needed.
 
2013-05-24 12:50:35 PM  
vygramul: Nothing like 24-hour grocery stores. Surprisingly few in Northern Virginia, but in Charlottesville, they're easy to find.

Fist-bump, land-o'-Jefferson Brother.

/Still bothers me that the locals pronounce Rio as "rye-oh," not "ree-oh"
//Been here going on four years
///I'm guessing that you work at an acronym, one that doesn't start with "U."
 
2013-05-24 12:54:48 PM  

m053486: vygramul: Nothing like 24-hour grocery stores. Surprisingly few in Northern Virginia, but in Charlottesville, they're easy to find.

Fist-bump, land-o'-Jefferson Brother.

/Still bothers me that the locals pronounce Rio as "rye-oh," not "ree-oh"
//Been here going on four years
///I'm guessing that you work at an acronym, one that doesn't start with "U."


there is a town south of ft worth named rio vista...pronounced "rye-oh vista". considering the spanish-speaking history of this region, it bothers me more than many other southern mispronunciations!
 
2013-05-24 12:58:22 PM  

Suede head: I admire Germany and wish I were German.


I admire some Germans, am a direct descendant of Charlemagne (36th great-grandfather) and wish I were Germany.

Well, Western Europe, really.

But heavy lies the head that bears the Crown.
 
2013-05-24 01:03:11 PM  
bungle_jr: there is a town south of ft worth named rio vista...pronounced "rye-oh vista". considering the spanish-speaking history of this region, it bothers me more than many other southern mispronunciations!

This area is rife with odd  local pronunciations.  A nearby town is named Staunton.  You'd think you'd pronounce the first syllable to rhyme with "aunt," but noooooooooo, it's flat, like "ant."  Should've just named it "Stanton."
 
2013-05-24 01:10:26 PM  

Astorix: I am excited that German software company SAP has started hiring autistic people. They found out that when they hired them their productivity goes through the roof. Great news for my daughter, I hope I hope.


So that's why SAP's software is the most user-unfriendly that I've ever seen?
 
2013-05-24 01:12:12 PM  

vygramul: Fark U: They shut off their nuclear plants after fukushima and make great cars (although Tesla is giving them a run for their money in the "best cars" category).  They also make great synthesizers (Waldorf).
Germany has come a long way and every country should admire their ability to be self-reflective and make changes for the better.
U.S.A. is acting like 1990s Wal-Mart.  "we're the best, so we're gonna milk this "best" status for as long as we can keep these suckers buying into thinking that the idea of "made in the usa" still exists when it doesn't"

I can't admire their shutting down their nuclear reactors so long as they keep buying power from French nuclear reactors.


I'm just playing the Devil's Advocate, understand but one word:  Canada.

As far as I know we're the only country exporting electricity (net) to the US, although Mexico might sell some slack time. All this fuss over the pipeline to Alberta's oil sands leaves me of two minds, seeing as the money doesn't stink but the tar sands do; and most of the big opposition to the pipelines comes from people with plans for other pipelines to other bitumen deposits in their back pockets. Will a completely American route to completely American carbon filth be better for the environment, the economy or the political situation? Probably not, but I'll just have to wait and see.

Grande Baleine drowned tribal lands of the Cree on a scale you can't possibly imagine. The electricity that flows into New York State and New England isn't any cleaner, safer or more secure than local dams, tidal plants and windmills would be. The main advantage is that it is in Northern Quebec, where scarcely anybody complains. Well, where scarcely anybody who matters to the Government of Quebec, Canada or the Boston States of America complains.

 Despite what climate change denialists and anti-enviro cultists claim, liberals need electricity, too. The object, to quote gadfly, George Monbioit, is to keep the lights on. Only safely, sustainably, cleanly, and justly.

But the Germans did or are shutting down their nuclear power plants, which ironically are similar to Canada's CANDU plants (being largely the same technology from the same inventors and engineers), and thus safer than many other models. At one time five out of ten of the plants with the best safety and release records were CANDU. CANDU plants can run with less enriched uranium and use heavy water for moderation so there is less to fail. Water leaks out--plant shuts down and over-heating ends.

Did you know you can get drunk drinking heavy water? No hangovers either. But it's rather expensive compared to even premium bottled water.
 
2013-05-24 01:16:36 PM  
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The invention of break-dancing by patriotic German youth. It's the prefect exercise to build your goose-stepping muscles
 
2013-05-24 01:17:20 PM  
Hammerzeit. Hee, hee, hee.

Took a mo' for that to sink in.
 
2013-05-24 01:21:59 PM  
Don't hurt them, Hammer*!

*Nickname of Charles the Hammer (AKA Charles Martel), founder of the Carolingian dynasty but no relation to the Carolingian Forests of North and South Carolina.

Marteau (Martel) is hammer in French.
 
2013-05-24 01:23:57 PM  

m053486: bungle_jr: there is a town south of ft worth named rio vista...pronounced "rye-oh vista". considering the spanish-speaking history of this region, it bothers me more than many other southern mispronunciations!

This area is rife with odd  local pronunciations.  A nearby town is named Staunton.  You'd think you'd pronounce the first syllable to rhyme with "aunt," but noooooooooo, it's flat, like "ant."  Should've just named it "Stanton."


Don't forget Buena (byoona) Vista and Lebanon (lebnin).
 
2013-05-24 01:31:25 PM  

m053486: vygramul: Nothing like 24-hour grocery stores. Surprisingly few in Northern Virginia, but in Charlottesville, they're easy to find.

Fist-bump, land-o'-Jefferson Brother.

/Still bothers me that the locals pronounce Rio as "rye-oh," not "ree-oh"
//Been here going on four years
///I'm guessing that you work at an acronym, one that doesn't start with "U."


Heh- no, I actually just graduated from UVA in December (BA-History) - though I walked the Lawn last weekend. I used to work for a TLA, but my housemates work for one nearby, as you surmise. (Totally serendipitous. I decided to come back to UVA at the same time my now housemate was BRACed down here.)

/I concur on ryeoh/reeoh
//Now at Mary Baldwin working on a teacher's license, but have just been given permission to take a few grad courses this Fall, so I might transition to M.ED
///Wahoowa!
 
2013-05-24 01:46:14 PM  

indarwinsshadow: I've always wonderd what attitudes towards France were like in the 19th century. After successive wars started by France througout that entire century, I kind of wonder if people said the same thing about them and continued to blame them even after all the people who started the conflicts were long dead. Smitty, WW2 ended 70 years ago. It's a different country, different people, different attitudes. Don't you get a little tired of reading how you must be directly responsible for slavery? Give it a rest already.


This, the 7 years War, The American Revolutionary War(that France got involved in), and the Napoleonic Wars all happened in a similar time frame to the Franco-Prussian War, WWI, and WWII a little over a century later, and people generally dont think of War Mongering Militarism when they think of France today(they are the wine and cheese eating Surrender Monkeys today)
 
2013-05-24 01:47:19 PM  

vygramul: Suede head: I admire Germany and wish I were German.

I can actually claim German citizenship. (And Lithuanian. And possibly Polish.)


The French used to have "blood" or patrimony citizenship, which meant that those with French ancestors could claim it. I believe there was a cut-off, so that us French Canadians could not claim citizenship unless the connection with the old country was recent.They have switched to a less racial and more abstract basis of citizenship, like the American model.

I had to fill out a form when I went to study for some months in France, which asked for my grandparents and great-grandparents names, so I assume that at that time (in the late 80s), they were still interested in how many of us tourists and students could claim citizenship once we got into the country.

That's probably where the cutoff lay--great-grandparents.

America has "soil" or "birth" citizenship for the most part, although if you have one American citizen parent, you are grandfathered, so to speak. You can become a citizen even if your parents are not, either by being born in the USA or by joining the armed forces and fighting for your new country--in advance. Over 900,000 Americans have been adopted via the military path to citizenship. You are deemed to have a vital skill or talent if you are willing and able to serve the Republic at your peril.

This tradition is why the Birther nonsense is so stupid (one reason). Obama had an American Mother and even if he had been born abroad or though his father was, he is considered a "natural born American citizen" by good authorities because it only takes ONE natural born citizen to pass on citizenship. John McCain and Mitt Romney also encountered some grief on the campaign trail because McCain was born in Panama (the Canal Zone, while the country was Occupied so American Panama) and Mitt Romney's parents were Mormon missionaries or at least residents in Mexico. Both of them. But they were American citizens, IIRC.

The rules are a bit complicated by residency as well as citizenship requirements, so that Obama could conceivably not be a citizen if his Mother had lived all of her life in Canada or had fallen short of the residency requirement, but she definitely did not and she didn't renounce her citizenship either.

One American President may have been born in Canada:  Chester A. Arthur. The border was ill-defined and his birthplace, a small cabin near the present border, may have been on the Canadian side of the border at the time he was born. It is definitely on the American side now. But both his parents, being good Americans, claimed they were on the right side of the border no doubt. The States of Texas (among others) and Hawaii were annexed by American planters before the Government became involved. Texas was briefly a Republic because the cotton (and tobacco?) planters and others of the ilk didn't like the revolutionary idea of abolishing slave ownership, which was what the armies of Santa Ana were promoting along with Mexican citizenship.

If Hilary Clinton becomes President, she will be the President with the most French Canadian ancestors and probably the first with any except possibly the Bushes, but she might not be the first. Massive two-way migration and re-migration has mixed the genes of North Americans for four hundred years now.

My massive collection of French Canadians, Loyalists, late loyalists, pre-loyalist Nova Scotia planters, border skippers, ex-pats and guest workers, New Americans and Old Settlers, and a lot more back and forth is proof of that. I'll eventually have to upgrade my genealogy subscription to access American and World census and other records, but at the moment the web is my oyster bed and I can pick up pearls of genealogical fact and speculation without paying more for the US Census material back to 1792 or the Registers of birth, baptism, marriage and other data that have been snapped up by corporations for a song.
 
2013-05-24 01:48:34 PM  
WE French Canadians, that is. In before the Grammar Nazis get off the first shot! Ha! ha!
 
2013-05-24 01:53:08 PM  

brantgoose: vygramul: Suede head: I admire Germany and wish I were German.

I can actually claim German citizenship. (And Lithuanian. And possibly Polish.)

The French used to have "blood" or patrimony citizenship, which meant that those with French ancestors could claim it. I believe there was a cut-off, so that us French Canadians could not claim citizenship unless the connection with the old country was recent.They have switched to a less racial and more abstract basis of citizenship, like the American model.


Germany's used to be any ancestry, but now they added a language and culture requirement. I'd have to brush up to claim it.

Lithuania additionally requires you worked towards their independence, which I did in a documentable manner.

I don't know Poland's requirement. I may or may not qualify. I don't speak Polish at all.
 
2013-05-24 01:57:38 PM  

vygramul: Germany's used to be any ancestry, but now they added a language and culture requirement. I'd have to brush up to claim it.


You also would have had to claim it by the age of 23 were you so inclined (unless you fall under some exception).
 
2013-05-24 02:01:13 PM  

This text is now purple: lilplatinum: lilplatinum: Also awesome was neither Saturn nor Ikea, the equivilant of Best Buy,

Mixed that up, Saturn is like Best Buy...  Ikea is like cheap disposable crap.

"like"?


That's why Ikea is nicknamed Ikrappa
 
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