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(ABC)   Our long DOJ nightmare is over. President Obama has ordered Eric Holder to investigate Eric Holder   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 224
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2013-05-24 10:07:20 AM
Is Holder the hanging judge type? Cause THAT would make for a good headline.
 
2013-05-24 10:08:03 AM
President Obama is a little uneasy with the way journalists have been dragged into the Justice Department's aggressive pursuit of national security leak investigations. In fact, he has ordered Attorney General Eric Holder to conduct a 45-day review of the department's guidelines on the issue.
...

Attorney General Eric Holder signed off on a controversial search warrant that identified Fox News reporter James Rosen as a "possible co-conspirator" in violations of the Espionage Act and authorized seizure of his private emails, a law enforcement official told NBC News on Thursday.
...

My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government.  We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.   This memorandum shall be published in the Federal Register.  BARACK OBAMA


4closurefraud.org
 
2013-05-24 10:14:22 AM
President Obama has failed to deliver on few promises as miserably as his vow to create a more transparent and open government. Shortly after being sworn into office, he sent a memo to federal agencies promising, "We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration."

Whether it's responding to Congress, media questions, or FOIA requests, this administration is no better than its predecessor. The big difference: Obama is a Democrat. And because he is a Democrat, he's gotten a pass from many of the civil liberty and good-government groups who spent years watching President Bush's every move like a hawk.
 
2013-05-24 10:20:08 AM
"Fox, investigate your fellow foxes who went into the chicken house."
"Everything seems fine"
"Cool"
 
2013-05-24 10:22:54 AM
What the fark?

C'mon President Obama - this is getting silly...
 
2013-05-24 10:24:31 AM

SlothB77: President Obama has failed to deliver on few promises as miserably as his vow to create a more transparent and open government. Shortly after being sworn into office, he sent a memo to federal agencies promising, "We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration.


So far so good...totally in agreement.

SlothB77: And because he is a Democrat, he's gotten a pass from many of the civil liberty and good-government groups who spent years watching President Bush's every move like a hawk.


And then you just just went full retard.
 
2013-05-24 10:25:30 AM
and the democratic leftwingers will be fine with this
 
2013-05-24 10:25:53 AM
OK, US History Quiz time.

When was the last time we had a good Attorney General?
 
2013-05-24 10:28:14 AM
FTFA: "Journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs," President Obama said. "Our focus must be on those who break the law."

History's greatest monster.
 
2013-05-24 10:28:36 AM

FrancoFile: OK, US History Quiz time.

When was the last time we had a good Attorney General?


RFK?
 
2013-05-24 10:29:48 AM
Obama has risen to the challenge of outshining his predecessor. Just think, in 8 years he will build a legacy that not only surpasses Bush, it will make Bush's corrupt system of governing look completely obsolete to future crony politicians.
Obama will become the gold standard by which all other corrupt politicians will only be able to hope to emulate one day.
 
2013-05-24 10:30:00 AM

neversubmit: FTFA: "Journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs," President Obama said. "Our focus must be on those who break the law."

History's greatest monster.


He has used the Espionage Act to target whistleblowers more than every other President combined.  Actions sometimes speak louder than words...
 
2013-05-24 10:30:00 AM

FrancoFile: OK, US History Quiz time.

When was the last time we had a good Attorney General?


Hmmmmm I'm stumped.

John Ashcroft  was obsessed with covering up boobies and lost an election to a dead guy.
Alberto Gonzales was a serial liar.
Janet Reno set people on fire.
Don't even get me started with Ed Meese.
 
2013-05-24 10:30:59 AM
People: "The DOJ is doing bad things!"
Obama: "I agree, let's check that out"
People: "SCREW YOU OBAMA"
 
2013-05-24 10:30:59 AM
Where do we come up with these mickey mouse attorneys general?
First Ashcroft, now this idiot?
 
2013-05-24 10:31:42 AM

MyRandomName: neversubmit: FTFA: "Journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs," President Obama said. "Our focus must be on those who break the law."

History's greatest monster.

He has used the Espionage Act to target whistleblowers more than every other President combined.  Actions sometimes speak louder than words...


He, personally, did it. While sneering. And there are ZERO externalities of any kind.
 
2013-05-24 10:31:43 AM

neversubmit: FTFA: "Journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs," President Obama said. "Our focus must be on those who break the law."

History's greatest monster.


what people say =! what people do
 
2013-05-24 10:34:05 AM
"...
I find it ironic that our current president, whom I respect at many levels, was a constitutional law professor just a few years ago.  Seriously, if he weren't president today, Professor Obama would be up in arms over the actions of President Obama and his administration.  In fact, he was up in arms over similar things involving the administration of President Bush. It seems that when people want to keep and possess power and control, the first victim is openness and a genuine discovery of the truth."  - Mathew Dowd article 'Truth and Justice'
 
2013-05-24 10:34:09 AM

Walker: Alberto Gonzales was a serial liar.
Janet Reno set people on fire.


I'm going to Songify that right now.
 
2013-05-24 10:34:17 AM

SlothB77: President Obama is a little uneasy with the way journalists have been dragged into the Justice Department's aggressive pursuit of national security leak investigations. In fact, he has ordered Attorney General Eric Holder to conduct a 45-day review of the department's guidelines on the issue.
...

Attorney General Eric Holder signed off on a controversial search warrant that identified Fox News reporter James Rosen as a "possible co-conspirator" in violations of the Espionage Act and authorized seizure of his private emails, a law enforcement official told NBC News on Thursday.
...

My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government.  We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.   This memorandum shall be published in the Federal Register.  BARACK OBAMA


While the picture is entertaining it is not correct usage.
 
2013-05-24 10:34:53 AM
He and Obama are going through a list of DOJ summer interns to blame this on as we speak.
 
2013-05-24 10:35:03 AM
The Obama administration has no problem when they 'leak' the information (killing of Osama), but someone else....how dare they!
 
2013-05-24 10:35:22 AM

FrancoFile: OK, US History Quiz time.

When was the last time we had a good Attorney General?


William Bradford
 
2013-05-24 10:35:24 AM
Troll headline.  A policy review is not an investigation.
 
2013-05-24 10:36:09 AM
Personally I think everyone likes it best this way. The executive branch can do whatever it wants, the minority party gets to use this as a talking point but since the two parties just take turns at the wheel jack squat is done.

Everyone loves it when their guy breaks the rules, and equally they love it when the "bad guy" acts bad. So everyone is happy.

If we're gonna be fair, Bush and his conspirators should get it for torture while Obama and co get it for assassinations. But the only thing any of them will get is "away with it".
 
2013-05-24 10:36:17 AM
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Mirror Mirror on the wall, who's the most corrupt one of all?
 
2013-05-24 10:36:35 AM
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2013-05-24 10:36:36 AM
I'm still not seeing a problem? Warrants and subpoenas were issued?
 
2013-05-24 10:37:23 AM

MFAWG: I'm still not seeing a problem? Warrants and subpoenas were issued?


Investigating journalists is apparently off the table, because it might make them uncomfortable. They might have to consider the consequences of their own actions occasionally.
 
2013-05-24 10:37:37 AM

LasersHurt: People: "The DOJ is doing bad things!"
Obama: "I agree, let's check that out"
People: "SCREW YOU OBAMA"


I think it's more along the lines of asking the department to self-investigate.
 
2013-05-24 10:38:16 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: FrancoFile: OK, US History Quiz time.

When was the last time we had a good Attorney General?

RFK?


Correct!

/50 years ago.
//Where do we keep finding these numbskulls?
///A random small-town lawyer could do a better job.
 
2013-05-24 10:38:29 AM

Intrepid00: While the picture is entertaining it is not correct usage.


But newants is hard!

/nuance
 
2013-05-24 10:38:29 AM

Bravo Two: LasersHurt: People: "The DOJ is doing bad things!"
Obama: "I agree, let's check that out"
People: "SCREW YOU OBAMA"

I think it's more along the lines of asking the department to self-investigate.


Perhaps, that's a bit of a fair point, though who else can do it (honestly)?
 
2013-05-24 10:38:32 AM

ferretman: The Obama administration has no problem when they 'leak' the information (killing of Osama), but someone else....how dare they!


So press conferences are now the same as leaking information?  I guess that's technically correct...

/best kind
 
2013-05-24 10:38:46 AM

enik: He and Obama are going through a list of DOJ summer interns to blame this on as we speak.


that's our obama, almost standing up for the little guy.  and by standing up I mean scapegoating.
 
2013-05-24 10:38:58 AM

Snapper Carr: SlothB77: President Obama has failed to deliver on few promises as miserably as his vow to create a more transparent and open government. Shortly after being sworn into office, he sent a memo to federal agencies promising, "We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration.

So far so good...totally in agreement.

SlothB77: And because he is a Democrat, he's gotten a pass from many of the civil liberty and good-government groups who spent years watching President Bush's every move like a hawk.

And then you just just went full retard.


Yeah...agreed.

The last part was ending it with, "But I'm not racist..." which kinda deflates the whole argument.
 
2013-05-24 10:38:58 AM
Well you can't ask the Republicans. They'd still be harping about Obama's birth certificate if they thought it'd get them votes.
 
2013-05-24 10:39:07 AM

SlothB77: enik: He and Obama are going through a list of DOJ summer interns to blame this on as we speak.

that's our obama, almost standing up for the little guy.  and by standing up I mean scapegoating.


Much worse than strawmanning.
 
2013-05-24 10:41:07 AM
I loved Holder in Sunset Blvd...
4.bp.blogspot.com
All right Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up
I am big, it's the pictures all-you-can-eat buffets that got small!
 
2013-05-24 10:41:48 AM

Phinn: Walker: Alberto Gonzales was a serial liar.
Janet Reno set people on fire.

I'm going to Songify that right now.


I didn't even realize I rhymed that.
 
2013-05-24 10:42:57 AM
While Holder investigates the DOJ , this man upload.wikimedia.org will be looking for the real killer of Nicole Brown Simpson.
 
2013-05-24 10:43:23 AM

LasersHurt: MyRandomName: neversubmit: FTFA: "Journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs," President Obama said. "Our focus must be on those who break the law."

History's greatest monster.

He has used the Espionage Act to target whistleblowers more than every other President combined.  Actions sometimes speak louder than words...

He, personally, did it. While sneering. And there are ZERO externalities of any kind.


Please explain what externalities explain the historic uptick in targeting whistleblowers.  I can't wait to see this excuse.
 
2013-05-24 10:45:23 AM

LasersHurt: Bravo Two: LasersHurt: People: "The DOJ is doing bad things!"
Obama: "I agree, let's check that out"
People: "SCREW YOU OBAMA"
I think it's more along the lines of asking the department to self-investigate.

Perhaps, that's a bit of a fair point, though who else can do it (honestly)?


Congress. That's part of their job.
 
2013-05-24 10:45:42 AM

MyRandomName: Please explain what externalities explain the historic uptick in targeting whistleblowers.  I can't wait to see this excuse.


I have no data with which to make those claims. Neither do you. The difference is, you're content to blame Obama for what you're SURE must be something evil, as there could be no other explanations.

/also it's convenient to say "whistleblower" as a catch-all because of the positive connotations, but you cannot apply that to EVERY case of released or leaked info. That's not what the word means, at all. It's a weasel-word.
 
2013-05-24 10:45:42 AM
 
2013-05-24 10:46:01 AM

LasersHurt: MFAWG: I'm still not seeing a problem? Warrants and subpoenas were issued?

Investigating journalists is apparently off the table, because it might make them uncomfortable. They might have to consider the consequences of their own actions occasionally.


You seem awfully content on the targeting of the Press.  It's not like the freedom to disseminate information on the government is one of the core tenets of our constitution, so important it made the 1st amendment...  It's not like one of the first industries authoritarian regimes target is the press or anything.  We see all sorts of free press in such glorious countries as Venezuela.  You are actually okay with the President using the Espionage Act to declare a reporter complicit in a conspiracy?!?  Holy shiat.  Not even worth discussing things with you.  Even the judge who issued the warrant stated the order is wrong, yet you are okay with it.
 
2013-05-24 10:46:03 AM

LasersHurt: MFAWG: I'm still not seeing a problem? Warrants and subpoenas were issued?

Investigating journalists is apparently off the table, because it might make them uncomfortable. They might have to consider the consequences of their own actions occasionally.


Ignoring the fact that our constitution specifically protects the press, the issue is not about making the press uncomfortable. The issue is about the government blatantly investigating the press in a heavy-handed manner as punishment for using information from whistle blowers.

On one hand, yes, I agree that the press needs to be careful when exposing potentially sensitive information. On the other, especially considering the Pentagon Papers and other situations, the press serves a very real and vital function in helping to bring to light potentially illegal and corrupt activities by our government. I'm conservative, and I believe that the press has the benefit of the doubt in cases where someone leaks information that needs to be publicly heard and addressed so that the government can't get away with things it shouldn't, whether that's killing Americans with drones, or abusing prisoners in Gitmo.

An attitude that allows for the ongoing malfeasance by the government while silencing the independent force that is meant to be a stopgap against that sort of thing is tantamount to allowing a 10 year old to beat up his five year old brother for telling mom and dad that he was stealing/bullying/skinning cats in the back yard.

Whether or not individuals leaking classified information should be investigated and prosecuted, and the applicability of whistle blower protections in those cases, Is a topic for debate, much along the lines of the case of Bradley Manning or the guy who went public with the Pentagon Papers.  We do not castigate, intimidate, and outright attempt to silence the press for their coverage of illegal activities by our government, because then the government loses any accountability to the people of the United States.
 
2013-05-24 10:47:01 AM

Krieghund: Congress. That's part of their job.


Absolutely not, no. There is a 0 percent chance that they could EVER run an honest investigation of the DOJ. Note that I qualified that they have to do an honest investigation.

I'm stumped as to a good choice. DOJ itself is not good, but Congress is worse.
 
2013-05-24 10:47:15 AM
It's comical now when Obama says things like this.  He has no intention of doing anything.  No one will be disciplined and they'll do the exact same thing tomorrow if they feel like it.  Same MO since the day they took office.
 
2013-05-24 10:47:20 AM

MyRandomName: neversubmit: FTFA: "Journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs," President Obama said. "Our focus must be on those who break the law."

History's greatest monster.

He has used the Espionage Act to target whistleblowers more than every other President combined.  Actions sometimes speak louder than words...


So then why hasn't the GOP made a scandal out of it? Just think of the strange bedfellows they would get.
 
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