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(Telegraph)   MI5: Look, we can't possibly monitor would-be terrorists, not when there might be children playing with conkers out there. And somebody might be having an unregulated fry-up, or dangerous triangular cookies   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 53
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2013-05-24 08:50:56 AM  
What's a 'conker?'
 
2013-05-24 09:00:30 AM  

Cythraul: What's a 'conker?'


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conkers

You're welcome
 
2013-05-24 09:24:37 AM  
I can haz Lark's vomit?
 
2013-05-24 09:25:46 AM  

Cythraul: What's a 'conker?'


Somehow, I knew this would be the first question.
 
2013-05-24 09:26:51 AM  
It's the price we pay for living in a free society, what with the due process, innocent until proven guilty and all that.  I mean, just imagine if the FBI had to follow everybody who has threatened some sort of violence on the Politics tab.
 
2013-05-24 09:27:18 AM  

Cythraul: What's a 'conker?'


Something with bad fur I think
 
MFK
2013-05-24 09:27:57 AM  
So this is "terrorism" and not a "murder" because the guy was angry about Britain's foreign policy?

The fact that they are calling this "terrorism" is scarier to me than any deranged nut ball with a knife.
 
2013-05-24 09:28:07 AM  
You have to prioritize resources. Even if you borrow all the money in the world, manpower is finite.
 
2013-05-24 09:29:56 AM  
You can't stop random acts of violence. You can try to prevent them, you can punish those who commit them, but it's impossible to stop someone who doesn't care if he gets caught.
 
2013-05-24 09:29:57 AM  
Geez, I hope no one tells them about the threat that is mumblety-peg.
 
2013-05-24 09:30:48 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Cythraul: What's a 'conker?'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conkers

You're welcome


Ah.  What Ohioans call "buckeyes".
 
2013-05-24 09:30:51 AM  
Killing with a knife: celebrated method of normal murder
Killing with a knife while being unhinged and spouting religious BS: terrorism

Got it.
 
2013-05-24 09:37:33 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Killing with a knife: celebrated method of normal murder
Killing with a knife while being unhinged and spouting religious BS: terrorism

Got it.


piryow.bay.livefilestore.com
 
2013-05-24 09:40:30 AM  
*Insert British idiom here*
 
2013-05-24 09:42:15 AM  

WTF Indeed: *Insert British idiom here*


Crikey!
 
2013-05-24 09:44:22 AM  

calm like a bomb: Epoch_Zero: Killing with a knife: celebrated method of normal murder
Killing with a knife while being unhinged and spouting religious BS: terrorism

Got it.

[piryow.bay.livefilestore.com image 416x445]


Looks like you got your hands full and your going to lose a thumb.
 
2013-05-24 09:44:31 AM  
I'm gobsmacked.
 
2013-05-24 09:44:55 AM  
Realistically, it's true. No one has the resources to monitor all terrorist threats. It's just not possible. We're not talking about spying on nations. These are small groups of people, and they are not a uniform body. At best, expecting a government to be able to monitor all these types of threats just creates a false sense of security. At worst, a government gets all sorts of powers and takes away freedoms from its citizens and STILL cannot monitor every terrorist threat.
 
2013-05-24 09:46:28 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm gobsmacked.


I'm sockdologized.
 
2013-05-24 09:48:17 AM  

dittybopper: Rapmaster2000: I'm gobsmacked.

I'm sockdologized.


You both are quite daft, ya bleeding sods.
 
2013-05-24 09:56:30 AM  
MI5 would get there knickers in a twist over unlicensed snogging in a WC.
 
2013-05-24 10:02:21 AM  
Seeing as we've been admonished by the usual farxists that there's not a thing wrong with intrusive government monitoring of conservative groups, and in fact such monitoring should be MORE common, bugging the radicals' mosques and wiretapping their clerics should be easy peasy.
 
2013-05-24 10:03:24 AM  
si0.twimg.com

"Weak as water. Weak. As. Water."
 
2013-05-24 10:04:01 AM  

Mrbogey: You have to prioritize resources. Even if you borrow all the money in the world, manpower is finite.


They've turned petty things into crimes and taken the power and right for self policing from their own populace, treating them like millions of children to be monitored around the clock.
They'll never have enough manpower.
 
2013-05-24 10:13:13 AM  
I consider this more a failure of National Health than MI5.

This guy was a dangerous nutter.

We have dangerous nutters in the US, too; sadly for us, we have no National Health and a plethora of guns. In comparison, the UK got off easy.

/But only in comparison. This was a horrible thing.
 
2013-05-24 10:13:56 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: [si0.twimg.com image 318x320]

"Weak as water. Weak. As. Water."


She has a lovely pussy
 
2013-05-24 10:16:30 AM  
The question isn't whether the UK has enough money to protect the citizenry. The question is whether the UK has enough money to protect the elite. It does currently but that may change if terror acts increase.

img.thesun.co.uk

Although one wonders how this ever happened...
 
2013-05-24 10:22:20 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: [si0.twimg.com image 318x320]

"Weak as water. Weak. As. Water."


Behold the weakness of water.

terrifictop10.files.wordpress.com

I'm just messing with you.
 
2013-05-24 10:27:30 AM  
"We...bust our way into a megafreighter I still don't know how, marched on to the bridge waving toy pistols and demanded conkers. A wilder thing I have not known. Lost me a year's pocket money. For what? Conkers."

"The captain was this really amazing guy, Yooden Vranx," said Zaphod. "He gave us food, booze -- stuff from really weird parts of the Galaxy -- lots of conkers, of course, and we had just the most incredible time."
 
2013-05-24 10:41:40 AM  

aaronx: I consider this more a failure of National Health than MI5.

This guy was a dangerous nutter.

We have dangerous nutters in the US, too; sadly for us, we have no National Health and a plethora of guns. In comparison, the UK got off easy.

/But only in comparison. This was a horrible thing.


Being bloodthirsty is not a mental health issue. Can't you just accept that some personalities are just bad?
 
2013-05-24 10:44:26 AM  

MFK: So this is "terrorism" and not a "murder" because the guy was angry about Britain's foreign policy?

The fact that they are calling this "terrorism" is scarier to me than any deranged nut ball with a knife.


There is a difference in motive. Terrorism is a form of asymmetric warfare where actions are carried out with the end goal of causing harm to your enemy beyond the scope of the act in question, often through the goal of causing fear or demoralization. "Hate Crimes" are similar - if a person/group makes a public point of harming people from a certain population subset then the intended effect of their actions extend far beyond the specific victim - their goal is to threaten and intimidate all members of their target population.

These are distinct from murder by people with a personal grudge against their victim, which is not intended to have an effect on the wider population and murder by insane people.
 
2013-05-24 10:49:25 AM  
can we get a British to English translation here? I don't think google translate offers this most necessary service
 
2013-05-24 10:50:45 AM  

Cythraul: What's a 'conker?'


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-05-24 10:57:36 AM  
"Obviously the security services have limited resources - they must prioritise to the people who are most likely to move from being interested in violent extremism to carrying out," Lord Blair told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. "Then, even if you've got the resources to do it, you have to have very high levels of suspicion before you can put surveillance on. And, thirdly... what are we monitoring? Because lots of people have very odd views."

All sounds quite plausible. The number of terrorist sympathizers is large, but most of them are ITGs. The security services can't catch them all. It's not like they've done nothing over the last few years, they've caught and prosecuted a pretty decent number who were planning much more than a single murder.
 
2013-05-24 11:06:20 AM  
Makes sense - aren't more people killed by triangular cookies than terrorists? Gotta keep the priorities straight...
 
2013-05-24 11:07:00 AM  

skullkrusher: can we get a British to English translation here? I don't think google translate offers this most necessary service


Banter explained, sort of.
 
2013-05-24 11:13:31 AM  
Regarding the "It's not terrorism" argument:

Two muslim men attack and kill a member of the armed forces in the street in daylight, they then tell witnesses that the reason they killed him was because british armed forces overseas are killing muslims.

In other words, a man was killed purely as a political statement and to scare people.

If this is not terrorism: what makes an act of violence into an act of terrorism?
 
2013-05-24 11:15:16 AM  
Well, Bob's your uncle, then.

Also, TFH uses the work "cookies." I think you meant "biscuits."
 
2013-05-24 11:36:59 AM  

Arkanaut: It's the price we pay for living in a free society, what with the due process, innocent until proven guilty and all that.  I mean, just imagine if the FBI had to follow everybody who has threatened some sort of violence on the Politics tab.


FTFA:
"Michael Adebolajo, 28, the man videoed by witnesses with his hands red with blood following the killing of the soldier, had been intercepted by officials as he attempted to travel to Somalia to fight alongside Islamist terrorist group Al-Shabaab."

Uuuuum, yeah.  That's kind of a BIG WAVING RED FLAG right there.
 
2013-05-24 11:50:37 AM  

doyner: Arkanaut: It's the price we pay for living in a free society, what with the due process, innocent until proven guilty and all that.  I mean, just imagine if the FBI had to follow everybody who has threatened some sort of violence on the Politics tab.

FTFA:
"Michael Adebolajo, 28, the man videoed by witnesses with his hands red with blood following the killing of the soldier, had been intercepted by officials as he attempted to travel to Somalia to fight alongside Islamist terrorist group Al-Shabaab."

Uuuuum, yeah.  That's kind of a BIG WAVING RED FLAG right there.


A. Is that a crime? and B. How long ago was that? After the Tsarnaevs were caught the FBI said they followed them around for a year, but they weren't allowed to do much more than that, because due process.  Obviously the UK would have different legal standards but there still may be -- should be, I might add -- constraints.

Of course they might also have just tried to entrap him in some kind of fake plot, like the FBI does sometimes.  But who knows how many people have BIG WAVING RED FLAGS in retrospect that just end up working their 9-to-5 and posting crazy rants in the Politics tab.
 
2013-05-24 11:56:41 AM  
This thread has gone all pear shaped.
 
2013-05-24 12:12:37 PM  

Arkanaut: doyner: Arkanaut: It's the price we pay for living in a free society, what with the due process, innocent until proven guilty and all that.  I mean, just imagine if the FBI had to follow everybody who has threatened some sort of violence on the Politics tab.

FTFA:
"Michael Adebolajo, 28, the man videoed by witnesses with his hands red with blood following the killing of the soldier, had been intercepted by officials as he attempted to travel to Somalia to fight alongside Islamist terrorist group Al-Shabaab."

Uuuuum, yeah.  That's kind of a BIG WAVING RED FLAG right there.

A. Is that a crime? and B. How long ago was that? After the Tsarnaevs were caught the FBI said they followed them around for a year, but they weren't allowed to do much more than that, because due process.  Obviously the UK would have different legal standards but there still may be -- should be, I might add -- constraints.

Of course they might also have just tried to entrap him in some kind of fake plot, like the FBI does sometimes.  But who knows how many people have BIG WAVING RED FLAGS in retrospect that just end up working their 9-to-5 and posting crazy rants in the Politics tab.


Chechnya is not Somalia.
 
2013-05-24 12:15:59 PM  

BMulligan: Well, Bob's your uncle, then.

Also, TFH uses the work "cookies." I think you meant "biscuits."


Well they might be cookies (soft crumbly biscuits, usually with chocolate chunks and occasionally bits of nuts in them).
 
2013-05-24 12:23:49 PM  

neversubmit: TheShavingofOccam123: [si0.twimg.com image 318x320]

"Weak as water. Weak. As. Water."

Behold the weakness of water.

[terrifictop10.files.wordpress.com image 850x566]

I'm just messing with you.


Give me a thousand people who live a thousand years and a devotion to dig every single day with their bare hands and I wont build a canyon.  With that you could cut the world in half down the middle and send it orbiting around itself.  Getting through the chewy warm center will be the only tricky part.
 
2013-05-24 01:11:27 PM  

MFK: So this is "terrorism" and not a "murder" because the guy was angry about Britain's foreign policy?


The fact that they are calling this "terrorism" is scarier to me than any deranged nut ball with a knife.

Nailed it.
 
2013-05-24 03:11:57 PM  

Cythraul: What's a 'conker?'


Something that won't be on the trees until autumn. Playing conkers in May is like having a snowball fight in August.

And it's not 'cookies', you norbert, it's biscuits. Now pipe down, I need to get some dosh from the cash machine because it's my round. Innit.
 
2013-05-24 03:56:04 PM  

MFK: So this is "terrorism" and not a "murder" because the guy was angry about Britain's foreign policy?

The fact that they are calling this "terrorism" is scarier to me than any deranged nut ball with a knife.


So, you're scared of the mere word "terrorism"?

That doesn't seem very productive.

Also, I don't believe you about the nutball with the knife.
 
2013-05-24 04:25:56 PM  

Gulper Eel: farxists


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2013-05-24 04:59:38 PM  
Do they have those chocolate covered Ninja Gaidam Throwing Stars that the Girly Rangers sell? I love those!
 
2013-05-24 05:15:13 PM  
I have a British book on the subject of tea and biscuits, mostly biscuits. It has a handy chart of the semantics of tea time sweets, including cookies, biscuits, cakes, etc. I am not certain this is the same book because the cover is not the same and I don't remember the names of the author(s), but it is the same idea.

It tells you about all the different kinds of biscuits (and cookies, scones, fairy cakes and whatnot) that the British like to have with their tea. You can learn all about Hobnobs and so forth.

Most people know that the American word "cookie" overlaps largely with the British word "biscuit" but it's not quite that simple. Also, since "biscuit" means "twice cooked" in French, the American term biscuit covers  both tea cakes and soda biscuits (or crackers), while the British usage covers a lot of pastries that are NOT twice cooked.

It's a pleasant and informative little book of the type that is sold at a moderate price because it is a quick read, but is almost instantly marked down for the remainder bins. The type of book you should resist buying until it has a big sticky, almost impossible to remove price reduction sticker on it.

Full of nostalgia for the British, tantalizing sweets you can't find anywhere for non-Brits, and information on the various qualities and histories of the various articles in question.

I like dry, not-too-sweet or sticky biscuits like Arrowroot biscuits and shortbreads. Crisp and dry go very well with tea. I do not dunk my biscuits so I do not care about absorption characteristics, but a lot of people do, so much so that an IgNobel Prize has been awarded for studies of the perfect dunk.

I like my tea black, without cream, milk or sugar. Cream is for coffee. Milk is blah! Sugar is TGDM.

I prefer tea cups to mugs but am not adverse to very nice mugs or something silly. Silly mugs break faster than serious mugs, though, perhaps for the same reason that clothes you like wear out faster than clothes you hate: finer material, more use, etc.
 
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