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(WTKR)   VA operator "The average time frame they are showing at your regional office is about...wait, that can't be right. Hold on for one moment, okay...Yep, the average time your claim will take at your regional office as of today is 30 months"   (wtkr.com) divider line 84
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2013-05-24 08:51:31 AM  
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/just gettin' that outta the way
 
2013-05-24 08:53:56 AM  
is this where we comment about the Buzzfeed stuff
 
2013-05-24 08:54:54 AM  
It was 08. The DoD had admitted his ALS was service related. The day after he died I got a letter rating him at 20% disabled and a check but i could take him 4 hours away to see if he was more sicker than 20% (fully paralyzed and all). Ithought abiut sending them his ashes for a health check. Since he died I had to send the check back. So yeah - this is nothing new.

Ps - most if not all counties and states have a personal VA liaison to help. Doesn't hurry it up but you don't have to press 1 to get him.
 
2013-05-24 08:57:47 AM  
Solution: have fewer veterans.
 
2013-05-24 09:02:41 AM  
gambitsgirl:

Ps - most if not all counties and states have a personal VA liaison to help. Doesn't hurry it up but you don't have to press 1 to get him.

NO!! The VA is NOT there to help you. Go to the DAV, VFW, or one of the other service offices. They are NOT the VA.
 
2013-05-24 09:03:28 AM  
It is the
VETERAN,
not the preacher,
who has given us freedom of religion.

It is
the VETERAN,
not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.

It is
the VETERAN,
not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.

It is
the VETERAN,
not the campus organizer,
who has given us freedom to assemble.


It is
theVETERAN,
not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is
the VETERAN,
not the politician,
Who has given us the right to vote. 


 
2013-05-24 09:09:04 AM  
Politicians have to see this as a problem before it will get fixed
 
2013-05-24 09:09:32 AM  
My GF is a tech writer working on a contract for the VA. They are updating their medical records system overhaul. Her experience dealing with the VA on a client basis alone has been enough to turn her away from being a raging lib on healthcare to someone that does not want the government anywhere near it. My experience with my grandfather's care was enough for me.

I have not met anyone with a good VA story. They all have stories, but none are good.
 
2013-05-24 09:09:37 AM  

Combustion: gambitsgirl:

Ps - most if not all counties and states have a personal VA liaison to help. Doesn't hurry it up but you don't have to press 1 to get him.

NO!! The VA is NOT there to help you. Go to the DAV, VFW, or one of the other service offices. They are NOT the VA.


You could go to them, unless you're looking to take advantage of your VA benefits.

For that, you really ought to go to the VA. "Compensation and pension" section, most likely.
 
2013-05-24 09:10:29 AM  
Sadly this is nothing new, back in 1994 I was in a rappelling accident and shattered my knee and left hand, after 4 surgeries the docs decided I would never regain the full use of my hand and I would probably always limp so the processed me for a medical discharge which should have been a fairly automatic ticket to disability payments but not according to the VA, they jerked me around for over 2 years with the "we need this paperwork" shuffle (sometimes managing to lose the same paperwork 4 times or more) then they denied me based on my injuries being part of a "preexisting condition" then after an appeal in which my senator and representative got involved in they agreed I was disabled but classified my disability at 0%, which meant I got base privileges and medical but no money, finally after 6 years of fighting and more intervention by the senator they upped the disability to 20%, so it only took the better part of a decade and literally a 8x10 shed full of paperwork to get what should have been an automatic disability declaration. I can only imagine how bad it is for the kids nowadays with traumatic brain injuries or PTSD, stuff that is not obvious like the mangled remains of my hand were to get approved for disability.


/VA motto is "Delay, deny, hope you die
 
2013-05-24 09:12:04 AM  

vudukungfu: It is the
VETERAN,
not the preacher,
who has given us freedom of religion.

It is
the VETERAN,
not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.

It is
the VETERAN,
not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.

It is
the VETERAN,
not the campus organizer,
who has given us freedom to assemble.


It is
theVETERAN,
not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is
the VETERAN,
not the politician,
Who has given us the right to vote. 


True, but that veteran died some 200 years ago. Nowadays it's those other folks that preserve our freedoms.

My point is it takes all of us, to contribute every bit as much as the veterans do to preserve our freedoms.
 
2013-05-24 09:12:12 AM  
Yep, We'll pass the Stolen Valor Act because we love the troops...

Well, not enough to spend any money on them, but we love them.
 
2013-05-24 09:16:18 AM  

gilatrout: it takes all of us, to contribute every bit as much as the veterans do to preserve our freedoms.


It would be nice to see Americans boycott the TSA.
But they won't.
 
2013-05-24 09:18:27 AM  

ManRay: My GF is a tech writer working on a contract for the VA. They are updating their medical records system overhaul. Her experience dealing with the VA on a client basis alone has been enough to turn her away from being a raging lib on healthcare to someone that does not want the government anywhere near it. My experience with my grandfather's care was enough for me.

I have not met anyone with a good VA story. They all have stories, but none are good.


The VA is severely underfunded. This is what you get when you follow the small government ideology to it's conclusion.
America sends it's youth to fight for it's interests, then America should see to it that those who return are taken care of.

Hint, there is one party in particular that has taken a solid stance against funding Government Services.
 
2013-05-24 09:20:02 AM  
www.americans-working-together.com

Billions of billions for war, and not enough people to process claims in 30 months????  Sounds like the VA needs to get its head out of its a**.
 
2013-05-24 09:20:44 AM  
The more stories like this I hear, the more grateful I am that I ended my service to the country in pretty good health (no service connected disability). Granted, I've had some really positive experiences with the VA here in Syracuse, NY - they're pretty friendly and anytime I've had basic health issues they've been able to help me.

I'll keep hoping that one day our government will get its head out of it's collective ass and actually help those who put their own asses on the line.
 
2013-05-24 09:23:46 AM  
30 months is nothing. It took my claim 5 years and I know of one veteran who waited more than 10 years.
 
2013-05-24 09:24:06 AM  
IF the republicans are going to focus their energy on making a stink about something in order to make Obama look bad, I wish it was this issue.  If they truly were the party of patriots and "support our troops" they should hammer this issue non-stop.  Here is something where they can make a difference in thousands of people's lives and possibly find favor with the voting public.

Instead, they will focus on Benghazi where Hillary was somewhat correct: "What difference does it make."  The republican outrage will not bring back those who have died.  All they will accomplish is a few people will resign and get a little mud on Obama.

AP reporter snooping: again, someone will resign and they get a little mud on Obama.

Tax focus on Tea Party: someone will resign and more mud to sling.

so there current plan leaves: four people still dead, a handful of people will losing their jobs and being able to point a finger at Obama until about 10 newscycles from now.
 
2013-05-24 09:24:54 AM  
Fully fund and staff the VA. When's the last time that happened?

You want to hold a war or two, then you have to pay for it. ALL of it. Including the aftermath. Rumsfeld apparently didn't get that at any level, and nobody's put in enough money since then to catch up.

Recognize the large increase in the number of disabled vets and pay for their care, too.

Stop running hospitals for vets that are decades old.

And while you're at it - fund the GI Bill programs, set up some job-training programs for soldiers before they muster out, build some housing for them while they're still serving, close a few bases, quit building tanks nobody wants and planes that kill their pilots, and turn ten percent of that saved procurement money over to the VA, and do all of the above.

And then, once the VA has the tools, talent and tin to actually run properly - realize that the public hospitals in this country are even worse than the VA is now, and do something about that next. Or first, and give the vets somewhere else to obtain care, for those too far away from a VA hospital to make the trip regularly.

It's a gorram travesty, at any level you choose to examine.
 
2013-05-24 09:26:09 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Yep, We'll pass the Stolen Valor Act because we love the troops...

Well, not enough to spend any money on them, but we love them.


THIS.

The VA is severely underfunded. This is what you get when you follow the small government ideology to it's conclusion.
America sends it's youth to fight for it's interests, then America should see to it that those who return are taken care of.

Hint, there is one party in particular that has taken a solid stance against funding Government Services.


And double THIS.

Also: What the fark did you expect when you dump 50,000+ physically injured, 2-3 times that with mental injuries... but you don't increase funding accordingly??

Thirty-month wait for processing? Math, motherfarkers, THAT'S how it works!!!

And no, this can NOT be outsourced to the private sector: it was already tried, and the clusterfark became larger.
 
2013-05-24 09:27:03 AM  
I'm amazed that the military is able to find anyone to enlist anymore.
 
2013-05-24 09:28:04 AM  

kpaxoid: Solution: have fewer veterans.


They tried that, but then some asshole pointed out that they were being sent to Iraq without the proper equipment.

/meddling kids
 
2013-05-24 09:30:13 AM  
Call your senator and Congressman and demand they double or triple the VAs funding. If you call to demand lower taxes, this is the natural result.
 
2013-05-24 09:31:12 AM  

vudukungfu: It is the
VETERAN,
not the preacher,
who has given us freedom of religion.


No, that was politicians passing the 1st Amendment.

It is
the VETERAN,
not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.


First amendment again, plus the jury in the 1735 Zenger libel trial.

It is
the VETERAN,
not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.


Guess what? First amendment again.

It is
the VETERAN,
not the campus organizer,
who has given us freedom to assemble.


No, that was the NAACP, its lawyers and the Supreme Court. Ten years later soldiers were shooting protesters at Kent State for exercise their right to freedom of assembly.

It is
theVETERAN,
not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.


Bzzzzzt. Sixth amendment. Lawyers and politicians, again.

It is
the VETERAN,
not the politician,
Who has given us the right to vote.


Depends who you mean by "us". Rich white men could vote after independence. Everyone else had to wait for ... who else ... lawyers and politicians.

Don't kid yourself. US veterans have fought in honourable wars, unnecessary wars, well planned wars and disastrous wars, but no US veteran ever has fought in a war which threatened the basic rights and liberties of America and Americans.
 
2013-05-24 09:31:46 AM  
This won't be fixed before the common public realizes that having more administrative staff, more bureaucrats isn't neccesarily a bad thing.
Think of bureaucrats as the oil in the machinery. They may not 'do' the deeds, they don't clean the beds, fight the wars, stich up the wound, build the roads or anything else that is "actually doing anything". But they are vitaly neccesary for a complex society to work.

And please, please don't be stupid enough to want to go back to a "simpler time". "Simpler time" is just another expression meaning "corruption" and "you're on your own."
 
2013-05-24 09:32:19 AM  

Hyjamon: IF the republicans are going to focus their energy on making a stink about something in order to make Obama look bad, I wish it was this issue.  If they truly were the party of patriots and "support our troops" they should hammer this issue non-stop.  Here is something where they can make a difference in thousands of people's lives and possibly find favor with the voting public.

Instead, they will focus on Benghazi where Hillary was somewhat correct: "What difference does it make."  The republican outrage will not bring back those who have died.  All they will accomplish is a few people will resign and get a little mud on Obama.

AP reporter snooping: again, someone will resign and they get a little mud on Obama.

Tax focus on Tea Party: someone will resign and more mud to sling.

so there current plan leaves: four people still dead, a handful of people will losing their jobs and being able to point a finger at Obama until about 10 newscycles from now.


That's what we call politics.  Politics is about accumulating power.  Democracy is about power deriving from the sovereign citizens of a nation.  As long as people keep buying into these charades, we will NOT have a democratic cycle, just an outrage cycle.
 
2013-05-24 09:32:36 AM  
Also, don't complain about drone warfare. Fewer people in harms way the better.
 
2013-05-24 09:34:23 AM  
your claim is being processed.

images.military.com
 
2013-05-24 09:34:59 AM  
I get a good chunk from the VA fer getting blowed up
went through all the other channels and only had to visit the VA twice
and made appointments for them
thank the gods for that
never wanna go back
MOAR GUB'MINT HELTHCAIR!
 
2013-05-24 09:36:11 AM  
I'm guessing there are two main reasons for the backlog: Obama did, in fact, unleash a lot of funding to hire more counselors but there's been no similar increase in the number of administrative workers who process claims. Second reason is that apparently every vet getting out who has a tour in Afghanistan and/or Iraq is claiming PTSD, back pain and tinnitus -- all of which are "hard to disprove" medically (for lack of a better term) and greatly increase their chances of getting a 100% rating. With the drawdown, that's a helluva lot of people all making claims at once. Those who are just "working the system" are making it harder for those who are seriously banged up and in need of help.

/As one of the Farkers mentioned above, if you need to claim disability, DAV, AMVETS and VFW organizations are a good place to start because they have people who know how to put a claims packet together correctly, how to file appeals, etc. so the claim will go though a lot faster.
 
2013-05-24 09:36:22 AM  

BalugaJoe: your claim is being processed.


Forest of the Damned
 
2013-05-24 09:38:21 AM  

Hyjamon: IF the republicans are going to focus their energy on making a stink about something in order to make Obama look bad, I wish it was this issue.  If they truly were the party of patriots and "support our troops" they should hammer this issue non-stop.  Here is something where they can make a difference in thousands of people's lives and possibly find favor with the voting public.


The only Republicans - or Democrats for that matter - that have ever supported injured Vets are the ones who've been injured or had family who was. The rest buy ribbon magnets and feel good about themselves. And that's not even new, that's really been going on since the dawn of time.
 
2013-05-24 09:39:15 AM  

Combustion: gambitsgirl:

Ps - most if not all counties and states have a personal VA liaison to help. Doesn't hurry it up but you don't have to press 1 to get him.

NO!! The VA is NOT there to help you. Go to the DAV, VFW, or one of the other service offices. They are NOT the VA.


No, but they have trained liason offices that are there to help with paperwork and guide you through the Byzantine process. They usually actually have an office in the VA hospital and the administrators want you to go through them because it will save everyone time and issues.
 
2013-05-24 09:39:29 AM  

simusid: Politicians have to see this as a problem before it will get fixed


GOP: what problem?
Step 1. Claim government can't do anything right.
Step 2. Create problem.
Step 3. Refund govt agency responsible for dealing with said problem.
Step 4. Claim that its all the Democrats' fault because the government isn't fixing things.
Step 5. Get reelected by idiots.
Step 6. Victory. Party before country forever!
 
2013-05-24 09:40:49 AM  

Emposter: simusid: Politicians have to see this as a problem before it will get fixed

GOP: what problem?
Step 1. Claim government can't do anything right.
Step 2. Create problem.
Step 3. Refund govt agency responsible for dealing with said problem.
Step 4. Claim that its all the Democrats' fault because the government isn't fixing things.
Step 5. Get reelected by idiots.
Step 6. Victory. Party before country forever!


DEFUND. farking auto correct.
 
2013-05-24 09:44:23 AM  
Yeah, this is what happens when you start a war and don't prepare for casualties.
 
2013-05-24 09:45:25 AM  

eltejon: Combustion: gambitsgirl:

Ps - most if not all counties and states have a personal VA liaison to help. Doesn't hurry it up but you don't have to press 1 to get him.

NO!! The VA is NOT there to help you. Go to the DAV, VFW, or one of the other service offices. They are NOT the VA.

No, but they have trained liason offices that are there to help with paperwork and guide you through the Byzantine process. They usually actually have an office in the VA hospital and the administrators want you to go through them because it will save everyone time and issues.


By which I mean go to the DAV, VFW, et.al. Sorry, replied to the wrong post.

/slinks away
 
2013-05-24 09:47:58 AM  
Public Sector jobs "create nothing" so we should fire millions of them, right Republicans?

Well we did that starting in '08, and crap like this is the result.
 
2013-05-24 09:50:02 AM  
Guess who is providing the free slave labor for the Global American MIlitary-Industrial-Media Empire?
If you guessed "troops" you'd be RIGHT!
 
2013-05-24 09:51:46 AM  
The VA saved my dad's arse.  He lost his job at 61 and has a lot of pre-existing conditions.  The VA hooked him up with affordable medicine and free physical therapy.   The biggest problem is that anytime he goes to the hospital he is there all day due to how packed it is.

I don't know what all of the non-veteran unemployed folks do before they can collect Medicare.
 
2013-05-24 09:57:05 AM  

foxyshadis: Hyjamon: IF the republicans are going to focus their energy on making a stink about something in order to make Obama look bad, I wish it was this issue.  If they truly were the party of patriots and "support our troops" they should hammer this issue non-stop.  Here is something where they can make a difference in thousands of people's lives and possibly find favor with the voting public.

The only Republicans - or Democrats for that matter - that have ever supported injured Vets are the ones who've been injured or had family who was. The rest buy ribbon magnets and feel good about themselves. And that's not even new, that's really been going on since the dawn of time.


and don't forget about lapel pins of American flags.

WordyGrrl: I'm guessing there are two main reasons for the backlog: Obama did, in fact, unleash a lot of funding to hire more counselors but there's been no similar increase in the number of administrative workers who process claims. Second reason is that apparently every vet getting out who has a tour in Afghanistan and/or Iraq is claiming PTSD, back pain and tinnitus -- all of which are "hard to disprove" medically (for lack of a better term) and greatly increase their chances of getting a 100% rating. With the drawdown, that's a helluva lot of people all making claims at once. Those who are just "working the system" are making it harder for those who are seriously banged up and in need of help.

/As one of the Farkers mentioned above, if you need to claim disability, DAV, AMVETS and VFW organizations are a good place to start because they have people who know how to put a claims packet together correctly, how to file appeals, etc. so the claim will go though a lot faster.


I would say just fark it.  let every veteran who served in combat (maybe even fobbits) get 100% when they return.  Might have to raise taxes to do it, but let the public really find out what the "costs" of war are and maybe they won't be so stupid next go-round.

Hearing my grandmother talk about all the sacrifices and efforts made for WWII (rationing, black out curtains (she was in SF) victory gardens, volunteering, etc.), it was embarrassing to see what our country did in the 2000's.  There was so much patriotic fervor to be tapped.  Soldier's don't have proper bullet-proof vests, start a donation campaign to pay workers to manufacture more, tanks/humvees don't have any underarmour, again get the public to donate metals or money to make it right....instead we put a made-in-china yellow ribbon on our SUV's and called it a day.

Also, I remember in the first few years, FOX news would show names and pictures of those soldiers who made "the ultimate sacrifice" during holidays...they don't even do that anymore.
 
2013-05-24 09:58:27 AM  
Iraq war veteran Government health care participant James Edwards says he's been waiting 186 days for a decision on his VA disability claim appendectomy procedure claim, filed last November for physical and mental problems after doctors documented from his time in the Army stomach pains were acute appendicitis.

"Yep, the average time your claim will take at your regional office as of today is 30 months."


Does government-run health care seem like such a good idea now?  If this is how a government-run program treats war veterans, why would you expect it to treat health insurance participants under its umbrella any better?
 
2013-05-24 10:05:33 AM  

orbister: no US veteran ever has fought in a war which threatened the basic rights and liberties of America and Americans.


What about when the Germans when they bombed Pearl Harbor?
 
2013-05-24 10:07:13 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Guess who is providing the free slave labor for the Global American MIlitary-Industrial-Media Empire?
If you guessed "troops" you'd be RIGHT!



Media?

Well paid volunteer slaves:

When those elements are combined, military officers and enlisted personnel are compensated as well or better than 80 percent of their counterparts in the private sector of similar ages and educations
 
2013-05-24 10:07:24 AM  

bark_atda_moon: The VA saved my dad's arse.  He lost his job at 61 and has a lot of pre-existing conditions.  The VA hooked him up with affordable medicine and free physical therapy.   The biggest problem is that anytime he goes to the hospital he is there all day due to how packed it is.

I don't know what all of the non-veteran unemployed folks do before they can collect Medicare.


Die?
 
2013-05-24 10:11:08 AM  

Hyjamon: Hearing my grandmother talk about all the sacrifices and efforts made for WWII (rationing, black out curtains (she was in SF) victory gardens, volunteering, etc.), it was embarrassing to see what our country did in the 2000's.


On the upside, we didn't conduct a large-scale imprisonment of Muslim Americans. Your grandmother also did that to the Japanese.
 
2013-05-24 10:13:20 AM  

bark_atda_moon: The VA saved my dad's arse.  He lost his job at 61 and has a lot of pre-existing conditions.  The VA hooked him up with affordable medicine and free physical therapy.   The biggest problem is that anytime he goes to the hospital he is there all day due to how packed it is.

I don't know what all of the non-veteran unemployed folks do before they can collect Medicare.


We suffer and die, or at best get stabilized then have to deal with debt collectors wanting 3400 dollars to look at your piss and give you a shot because of a kidney stone.
 
2013-05-24 10:16:52 AM  

WordyGrrl: I'm guessing there are two main reasons for the backlog: Obama did, in fact, unleash a lot of funding to hire more counselors but there's been no similar increase in the number of administrative workers who process claims. Second reason is that apparently every vet getting out who has a tour in Afghanistan and/or Iraq is claiming PTSD, back pain and tinnitus -- all of which are "hard to disprove" medically (for lack of a better term) and greatly increase their chances of getting a 100% rating. With the drawdown, that's a helluva lot of people all making claims at once. Those who are just "working the system" are making it harder for those who are seriously banged up and in need of help.

/As one of the Farkers mentioned above, if you need to claim disability, DAV, AMVETS and VFW organizations are a good place to start because they have people who know how to put a claims packet together correctly, how to file appeals, etc. so the claim will go though a lot faster.


Do you actually believe this?
 
2013-05-24 10:18:49 AM  

bark_atda_moon: The VA saved my dad's arse.  He lost his job at 61 and has a lot of pre-existing conditions.  The VA hooked him up with affordable medicine and free physical therapy.   The biggest problem is that anytime he goes to the hospital he is there all day due to how packed it is.

I don't know what all of the non-veteran unemployed folks do before they can collect Medicare.


The lucky few that are were born abroad, and have maintained their country's residency, leave for home and the first -world paradise of universal healthcare.  They may or may not return at age 65.

The rest of us declare bankruptcy.

Thank a Veteran.

My dad, who is 69 years old, is on 50% VA benefits.  Let that sink in a for a moment.  He also has a pension, and social security. He was on 100% benefits before he retired at age 66, while holding a salaried federal job, a job that he could not be fired from because he was a disabled veteran.
 
2013-05-24 10:22:15 AM  

Daeva: bark_atda_moon: The VA saved my dad's arse.  He lost his job at 61 and has a lot of pre-existing conditions.  The VA hooked him up with affordable medicine and free physical therapy.   The biggest problem is that anytime he goes to the hospital he is there all day due to how packed it is.

I don't know what all of the non-veteran unemployed folks do before they can collect Medicare.

We suffer and die, or at best get stabilized then have to deal with debt collectors wanting 3400 dollars to look at your piss and give you a shot because of a kidney stone.


Sorry to hear that.  Best of luck to you.
 
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