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2013-05-24 12:11:07 AM  
Sometimes that ginger he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. And, you know, the thing about a ginger... they's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When they comes at ya, they doesn't seem to be living...
 
2013-05-24 12:30:56 AM  
has an IQ of 130

Way to celebrate mediocrity.
 
2013-05-24 12:38:57 AM  
I'm not sure why they bring up her IQ.  Maybe it's different in the UK, but in the US at least kids aren't expelled from school for being dumb.  Behavior issues on the other hand, which she seems to have, are grounds for removing a kid from the classroom.  If she does have some sort of autism disorder it's a shame, and an appropriate school setting should be found for her, but if she can't restrain herself from attacking teachers she has no place in the classroom with the other kids where her behavior will negatively impact their ability to learn.
 
2013-05-24 07:39:58 AM  
Looks like she ate a couple of her teachers.
 
2013-05-24 07:45:17 AM  
You're supposed to beat that kind of behavior out of your kids when they are 2.  Parental fail #1.

FTA:  Mr Tait, 53, said: 'Our lives have become absolute hell. We have fallen apart as a family. 'I am 100 per cent sure that Charlotte has Asperger syndrome and is simply not being listened to. 'I have done a huge amount of research into the condition during the nights where I have been unable to sleep due to the stress that the Charlotte's schools has caused us.'

 
Note that it's "Mr.", not "Dr.".  No mention of taking the little princess to a real doctor who could provide an actual diagnosis of Aspergers, or not.  It could also be possible she did see real doctors and dad was unhappy with her being diagnosed as a pissy little brat.  Either way, Parental fail #2.
/IQ of 130, is that metric?
 
2013-05-24 07:49:51 AM  
Sounds (and looks) like this little firey headed dumpling gets everything she wants from mommy and daddy, and when the teachers don't comply with her demands, she flips her shiat.  My kid bites and scratches and pulls hair, my kids getting punished, not webmd diagnosed aspergers.  Discipline, how does it work?
 
2013-05-24 07:56:36 AM  
When Charlotte attempted to grab a chair, she was prevented from lifting it. Charlotte kicked and punched ****,**** and ***** and several of these attempts landed.'
 Ok, what verbs are they censoring here?

/Yeah, I know they're probably other children's names, but the article is ambiguous. Fat and ambiguous.
 
2013-05-24 08:12:18 AM  
Sure she bites her teachers. She's hungry!
 
2013-05-24 08:19:33 AM  

Farce-Side: Sounds (and looks) like this little firey headed dumpling gets everything she wants from mommy and daddy, and when the teachers don't comply with her demands, she flips her shiat.  My kid bites and scratches and pulls hair, my kids getting punished, not webmd diagnosed aspergers.  Discipline, how does it work?


Yep. My guess is her parents suck. 95% of the time, crappy parents are responsible.
 
2013-05-24 08:29:08 AM  
I think I've seen her dad:

static.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-24 08:29:58 AM  
Only the unsuccessful talk about their IQ.
 
2013-05-24 08:31:47 AM  

Honest Bender: has an IQ of 130

Way to celebrate mediocrity.


Oh. Is this where you amaze everyone with your genius level IQ?
130 is above average. Maybe that was the joke and I'm too dumb to get it. On the other hand, maybe you're too dumb to have known that.
 
2013-05-24 08:32:27 AM  
You know who else had an IQ of 130?

Blondie.
 
2013-05-24 08:33:10 AM  
She doesn't act like this at home...
...yet they can't have visitors in case she acts like this at home.

/ I think I see the problem here.
// (Spoiler: It's the parents.)
/// Five! No, three!
 
2013-05-24 08:33:24 AM  
Mark my words, Marilla. That's the kind puts strychnine in the well.
 
2013-05-24 08:33:26 AM  

jcb274: I think I've seen her dad:

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Kinda curious, how did this meme start?
 
2013-05-24 08:35:39 AM  
Let's see... she's smart but not brilliant, but her parents tell her that she is. If she experiences the slightest hint of failure, she explodes. She is obviously indulged and given whatever she demands, as is evident in part by her weight. No one is denying her her snackies. She's not aggressive at home, because she's listened to given whatever she demands.  Since the parents are "100% sure she has Aspergers" without a diagnosis, they will not entertain that she is a little shiat in need of firm discipline. Not her fault, it's her Aspergers. No one listens to her at school. That's the problem.
 
2013-05-24 08:36:04 AM  

bighairyguy: You're supposed to beat that kind of behavior out of your kids when they are 2.  Parental fail #1.

FTA:  Mr Tait, 53, said: 'Our lives have become absolute hell. We have fallen apart as a family. 'I am 100 per cent sure that Charlotte has Asperger syndrome and is simply not being listened to. 'I have done a huge amount of research into the condition during the nights where I have been unable to sleep due to the stress that the Charlotte's schools has caused us.'

 
Note that it's "Mr.", not "Dr.".  No mention of taking the little princess to a real doctor who could provide an actual diagnosis of Aspergers, or not.  It could also be possible she did see real doctors and dad was unhappy with her being diagnosed as a pissy little brat.  Either way, Parental fail #2.
/IQ of 130, is that metric?



FTFA

"Charlotte is currently 16th on a list awaiting an autism diagnostic assessment, which meant she would have to wait around a year to be seen.

According to the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) recommendations, such tests should take place within three months.

Until she has a firm diagnosis, the couple will not be able to see their daughter be offered the training and support they feel she desperately needs."


/what the farking fark, a year to get through a list of 16?
 
2013-05-24 08:36:34 AM  
Brat kid needs hard discipline... but waiting until this late will make it much more difficult.
 
2013-05-24 08:37:34 AM  
Intelligence is a common marker among sociopaths.

Honest Bender: Way to celebrate mediocrity.


You'd think before somebody started mocking another person's IQ they'd first take the time to learn how a bell curve works.

Yet here you are.
 
2013-05-24 08:38:33 AM  
"130 IQ"

According to which test? There are dozens of them that are commonly used depending on when and where it's given and 130 can be anything from above average (70-75th percentile) to exceptional (98th percentile).
 
2013-05-24 08:39:15 AM  
What she needs is some Martial arts training.
 
2013-05-24 08:41:10 AM  
This is fake.  Only 'muricans are fat.
 
2013-05-24 08:42:35 AM  
Almost Everybody Poops: You know who else had an IQ of 130?

i1168.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-24 08:42:36 AM  
because she is a spoiled brat?

BTW..done in one.
 
2013-05-24 08:42:37 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: bighairyguy: You're supposed to beat that kind of behavior out of your kids when they are 2.  Parental fail #1.

FTA:  Mr Tait, 53, said: 'Our lives have become absolute hell. We have fallen apart as a family. 'I am 100 per cent sure that Charlotte has Asperger syndrome and is simply not being listened to. 'I have done a huge amount of research into the condition during the nights where I have been unable to sleep due to the stress that the Charlotte's schools has caused us.'

 
Note that it's "Mr.", not "Dr.".  No mention of taking the little princess to a real doctor who could provide an actual diagnosis of Aspergers, or not.  It could also be possible she did see real doctors and dad was unhappy with her being diagnosed as a pissy little brat.  Either way, Parental fail #2.
/IQ of 130, is that metric?


FTFA

"Charlotte is currently 16th on a list awaiting an autism diagnostic assessment, which meant she would have to wait around a year to be seen.

According to the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) recommendations, such tests should take place within three months.

Until she has a firm diagnosis, the couple will not be able to see their daughter be offered the training and support they feel she desperately needs."


/what the farking fark, a year to get through a list of 16?


3+ weeks for an ASD assessment is not unusual at all. It seems stupid until you look at the criteria for having ASD and how closely it might resemble simply being an asshole child that needs to be left on a windswept crag.
 
2013-05-24 08:43:12 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: You know who else had an IQ of 130?

Blondie.


media.comicvine.com

Dig!
 
2013-05-24 08:43:38 AM  
IQ of 130, but not smart enough to learn some self control. I hope she gets the help she needs to learn that before she gets any bigger.
 
2013-05-24 08:45:54 AM  

Nidiot: IQ of 130, but not smart enough to learn some self control. I hope she gets the help she needs to learn that before she gets any bigger.


You think she needs a weight loss clinic too then?
 
2013-05-24 08:46:29 AM  
 
2013-05-24 08:46:54 AM  
The way we took care of that behavior when I was growing up was a punch in the face.
You let the "massive IQ" figure it out.
 
2013-05-24 08:47:03 AM  

abhorrent1: Honest Bender: has an IQ of 130

Way to celebrate mediocrity.

Oh. Is this where you amaze everyone with your genius level IQ?
130 is above average. Maybe that was the joke and I'm too dumb to get it. On the other hand, maybe you're too dumb to have known that.


i think you guys missed the joke
 
2013-05-24 08:47:13 AM  
She's also fat.

Anybody else notice that?
 
2013-05-24 08:47:23 AM  
Boarding school is probably the best place for her.

Also, really, I'm the first to mention that she's a Ginger?
 
2013-05-24 08:47:27 AM  
Is this about the chick who won the handwriting cursive contest again?
 
2013-05-24 08:47:58 AM  
In the new DSM, Assburger's is not even a valid diagnosis anymore.  Your kid is simply an asshole.
 
2013-05-24 08:48:00 AM  

maddogdelta: Red hair yada yada...


DAMMIT
 
2013-05-24 08:48:14 AM  
You know that cartoon where Porky Pig is babysitting for a lady defense worker and the lady give Porky a book called (something like) "Successful Child Rearing." She tells Porky "If he gives you any trouble, just use the book" And then she flies off to work. Literally.

And the kid is a brat and Porky flips through the pages trying to find a solution. But nothing really works. When the lady gets home, she finds Porky exhausted and the kid being a brat. She says to Porky "Did you use the books?" Porky said he did but nothing worked. The lady says "You don't use the book that way. Use it this way" and she picks up the kids and starts beating him on the butt with the book.

Life and Porky Pig cartoons. Sometimes they intersect.
 
2013-05-24 08:48:41 AM  

Chabash: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: bighairyguy: You're supposed to beat that kind of behavior out of your kids when they are 2.  Parental fail #1.

FTA:  Mr Tait, 53, said: 'Our lives have become absolute hell. We have fallen apart as a family. 'I am 100 per cent sure that Charlotte has Asperger syndrome and is simply not being listened to. 'I have done a huge amount of research into the condition during the nights where I have been unable to sleep due to the stress that the Charlotte's schools has caused us.'

 
Note that it's "Mr.", not "Dr.".  No mention of taking the little princess to a real doctor who could provide an actual diagnosis of Aspergers, or not.  It could also be possible she did see real doctors and dad was unhappy with her being diagnosed as a pissy little brat.  Either way, Parental fail #2.
/IQ of 130, is that metric?


FTFA

"Charlotte is currently 16th on a list awaiting an autism diagnostic assessment, which meant she would have to wait around a year to be seen.

According to the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) recommendations, such tests should take place within three months.

Until she has a firm diagnosis, the couple will not be able to see their daughter be offered the training and support they feel she desperately needs."


/what the farking fark, a year to get through a list of 16?

3+ weeks for an ASD assessment is not unusual at all. It seems stupid until you look at the criteria for having ASD and how closely it might resemble simply being an asshole child that needs to be left on a windswept crag.


But they can only do one at a time? It's a farking full-time job for three weeks to make a diagnosis? In the AVERAGE case?
 
2013-05-24 08:50:33 AM  
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I could have sworn he had a sign that says "I Bite"
 
2013-05-24 08:56:50 AM  
i10.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-24 08:57:36 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk


static.tvtropes.org
 
2013-05-24 08:58:09 AM  
s.ecrater.com
 
2013-05-24 09:00:30 AM  
If I was the teacher she bit, you can bet I'd knock her off of me.  With my fist.  As hard as I could.
 
2013-05-24 09:01:53 AM  
I used to work at a psych hospital, where I came across a child with a very similar problem.

A normal looking 8-10 y.o. child who could have pleasant and intelligent conversations...until they flew into random rages and started swinging fists, biting, kicking, clawing. Not pretty - I had to wear arm guards when working with the kid, and when mom visited (every day), she had to wear them too. What was really weird is that the kid didn't seem to be able to control it - eyes would well up with tears as blows rained down on us, and it really seemed like the kid'd get possessed every few minutes but still remain conscious as an observer.

Human brains are wired weird.
 
2013-05-24 09:02:51 AM  

Farce-Side: Nidiot: IQ of 130, but not smart enough to learn some self control. I hope she gets the help she needs to learn that before she gets any bigger.

You think she needs a weight loss clinic too then?


I left that deliberately ambiguous, while she certainly doesn't need any more food, an eight year old who doesn't know not to hit people with chairs when things don't go her way doesn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer. Also, by the time she is a teenager she may have moved on to hitting people with whole lounge suites.

prjindigo: The way we took care of that behavior when I was growing up was a punch in the face.
You let the "massive IQ" figure it out.


Makes sense. No point having the IQ if you can't use it.
 
2013-05-24 09:03:13 AM  
i126.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-24 09:04:50 AM  

Snapper Carr: "130 IQ"

According to which test? There are dozens of them that are commonly used depending on when and where it's given and 130 can be anything from above average (70-75th percentile) to exceptional (98th percentile).


The majority of instruments do not give an IQ itself but a raw score which is translated into the IQ scale based on scoring from valid instruments. Have a little chart of over a dozen common instruments for screening and testing in the schools and outside professionals, especially useful when students come from other states and have been identified as we will need to reevaluate due to different criteria. Granted, this is the word of the parent, and I would suspect your question may be valid as a result of retesting until the desired outcome.

'She's not as aggressive at home,' said Mr Tait. 'It's because she's listened to and understood."

I read this as she is kowtowed to and given open rules as to not "cripple her creativity" or some such. Parents of gifted children often believe negotiation is appropriate and rules will stifle growth, when this is utterly counter to reality.
 
2013-05-24 09:05:39 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Chabash: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: bighairyguy: You're supposed to beat that kind of behavior out of your kids when they are 2.  Parental fail #1.

FTA:  Mr Tait, 53, said: 'Our lives have become absolute hell. We have fallen apart as a family. 'I am 100 per cent sure that Charlotte has Asperger syndrome and is simply not being listened to. 'I have done a huge amount of research into the condition during the nights where I have been unable to sleep due to the stress that the Charlotte's schools has caused us.'

 
Note that it's "Mr.", not "Dr.".  No mention of taking the little princess to a real doctor who could provide an actual diagnosis of Aspergers, or not.  It could also be possible she did see real doctors and dad was unhappy with her being diagnosed as a pissy little brat.  Either way, Parental fail #2.
/IQ of 130, is that metric?


FTFA

"Charlotte is currently 16th on a list awaiting an autism diagnostic assessment, which meant she would have to wait around a year to be seen.

According to the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) recommendations, such tests should take place within three months.

Until she has a firm diagnosis, the couple will not be able to see their daughter be offered the training and support they feel she desperately needs."


/what the farking fark, a year to get through a list of 16?

3+ weeks for an ASD assessment is not unusual at all. It seems stupid until you look at the criteria for having ASD and how closely it might resemble simply being an asshole child that needs to be left on a windswept crag.

But they can only do one at a time? It's a farking full-time job for three weeks to make a diagnosis? In the AVERAGE case?


The last time I saw one, it involved a ton of behavior tracking throughout the day over the course of the three weeks. It's not like they come in and take a test or two and then it gets analyzed over the time. Once they have compiled all the data it only takes a few hours to sort it out.
 
2013-05-24 09:05:54 AM  
Anyone here see the movie "A Change Of Habit"?
 
2013-05-24 09:07:44 AM  
An IQ of 130?!? Whoooooo!

Big farking deal, and what does it possibly have to do with a story about a fat, violent little biatch?
 
2013-05-24 09:07:53 AM  

Nidiot: IQ of 130, but not smart enough to learn some self control.


IQ has nothing to do with self control.  High IQ indicates the capability of solving problems, not the ability to regulate your own behavior.   There are many unintelligent people who have much more stable lives than many geniuses.
 
2013-05-24 09:08:15 AM  
Monkeyfark Ridiculous:

But they can only do one at a time? It's a farking full-time job for three weeks to make a diagnosis? In the AVERAGE case?

That is socialize medicine for ya.

I also wonder why BOTH parents had to quit their job to take care of her.
 
2013-05-24 09:11:05 AM  
I think they just need to let a little air out of her. She looks over inflated.
 
2013-05-24 09:14:09 AM  
laughin:
I also wonder why BOTH parents had to quit their job to take care of her.

Because if they didn't, she would have sent them to the cornfield.
 
2013-05-24 09:14:21 AM  

doubled99: An IQ of 130?!? Whoooooo!

Big farking deal, and what does it possibly have to do with a story about a fat, violent little biatch?


Since it was the second thing mentioned, after her age, I'm guessing that the parents are of the opinion that their child is BRILLIANT and therefore can't possibly be an evil little shiat. It must be a medical condition.
 
2013-05-24 09:15:52 AM  
Does the family get money in the UK for an Aspergers diagnosis? Because two unemployed parents...
 
2013-05-24 09:18:53 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: You know that cartoon where Porky Pig is babysitting for a lady defense worker and the lady give Porky a book called (something like) "Successful Child Rearing." She tells Porky "If he gives you any trouble, just use the book" And then she flies off to work. Literally.

And the kid is a brat and Porky flips through the pages trying to find a solution. But nothing really works. When the lady gets home, she finds Porky exhausted and the kid being a brat. She says to Porky "Did you use the books?" Porky said he did but nothing worked. The lady says "You don't use the book that way. Use it this way" and she picks up the kids and starts beating him on the butt with the book.

Life and Porky Pig cartoons. Sometimes they intersect.


That was beautiful.
 
2013-05-24 09:20:01 AM  
Is everyone in England unemployed, or just the ones in the newspapers?
 
2013-05-24 09:24:10 AM  

Dr Dreidel: I used to work at a psych hospital, where I came across a child with a very similar problem.

A normal looking 8-10 y.o. child who could have pleasant and intelligent conversations...until they flew into random rages and started swinging fists, biting, kicking, clawing. Not pretty - I had to wear arm guards when working with the kid, and when mom visited (every day), she had to wear them too. What was really weird is that the kid didn't seem to be able to control it - eyes would well up with tears as blows rained down on us, and it really seemed like the kid'd get possessed every few minutes but still remain conscious as an observer.

Human brains are wired weird.


I've been doing all the paperwork and observing a case like this right now. Unfortunately the kid is now 13 so things are getting tougher. He's very smart....knows /everything/ about cartoons, even the artists that created cartoons from the 50's. He just goes into these tunnel-vision rages and cries. Like you said, it seems like he's just an observer. His parents have two other well behaved, successful kids and are at a loss. It sucks to watch.
 
2013-05-24 09:34:28 AM  

Honest Bender: has an IQ of 130

Way to celebrate mediocrity.


Most scales set the mean IQ at 100 with a standard deviation of 15. 130 puts her on the borderline between two and three standard deviations: about the 95th percentile. This isn't genius material -that's typically put at the borderline between three and four deviations- but it's not too shabby at all.

That said, I'm not qualified to diagnose, but no way is this Asperger's. She's crossing lines that are not typical of that diagnosis: Asperger's kids can be awkward, even creepy, and sometimes they even make threats, but as a rule they are not actually dangerous. These repeated attacks on teachers suggest some very different diagnoses: ones that society does not look on nearly as kindly.
 
2013-05-24 09:36:07 AM  
FTFA: 'I have done a huge amount of research into the condition during the nights where I have been unable to sleep due to the stress that the Charlotte's schools has caused us.'

Uhhh, let the doctoring to the doctors

/and the prisoner in their own home line was awesome
//I think their precious snowflake just has temper issues
///but I'm not a doctor, Jim!
 
2013-05-24 09:36:32 AM  
Hm,
I don't agree with the parents.
I'm guessing rampant raging narcissism.
 
2013-05-24 09:36:44 AM  

namegoeshere: Let's see... she's smart but not brilliant, but her parents tell her that she is. If she experiences the slightest hint of failure, she explodes. She is obviously indulged and given whatever she demands, as is evident in part by her weight. No one is denying her her snackies. She's not aggressive at home, because she's listened to given whatever she demands.  Since the parents are "100% sure she has Aspergers" without a diagnosis, they will not entertain that she is a little shiat in need of firm discipline. Not her fault, it's her Aspergers. No one listens to her at school. That's the problem.


That's a pretty big set of deductions to make with no knowledge of the story beyond the Daily Fail's rantings.

However, I agree with you completely. Spoiled brat who lashes out whenever she isn't indulged. I know two others just like her.
 
2013-05-24 09:37:33 AM  
Most scales set the mean IQ at 100 with a standard deviation of 15. 130 puts her on the borderline between two and three standard deviations: about the 95th percentile. This isn't genius material -that's typically put at the borderline between three and four deviations- but it's not too shabby at all.
That said, I'm not qualified to diagnose, but no way is this Asperger's. She's crossing lines that are not typical of that diagnosis: Asperger's kids can be awkward, even creepy, and sometimes they even make threats, but as a rule they are not actually dangerous. These repeated attacks on teachers suggest some very different diagnoses: ones that society does not look on nearly as kindly.


Guess it's time to invent another new "disorder" to diagnose kids with
 
2013-05-24 09:38:09 AM  

megarian: Harry Freakstorm: You know that cartoon where Porky Pig is babysitting for a lady defense worker and the lady give Porky a book called (something like) "Successful Child Rearing." She tells Porky "If he gives you any trouble, just use the book" And then she flies off to work. Literally.

And the kid is a brat and Porky flips through the pages trying to find a solution. But nothing really works. When the lady gets home, she finds Porky exhausted and the kid being a brat. She says to Porky "Did you use the books?" Porky said he did but nothing worked. The lady says "You don't use the book that way. Use it this way" and she picks up the kids and starts beating him on the butt with the book.

Life and Porky Pig cartoons. Sometimes they intersect.

That was beautiful.


I'll second that.
 
2013-05-24 09:39:35 AM  

Honest Bender: has an IQ of 130

Way to celebrate mediocrity.


This. I mean fark, even I got more IQ than that, and the only way to get someone to call me a genius is to pay somebody who hasn't met me.
 
2013-05-24 09:45:56 AM  
Nobody on this thread has an autistic child.

/lots of luck to anybody here who winds up having one. You'll need every bit of it.
 
2013-05-24 09:46:24 AM  
My gifted child tried to pick up a chair and swing it at meand I slapped him to the ground so hard he couldn't even get up and cry. Just sort of laid there had an asthma attack for a bit or something. We didn't send him to school for a bit and his jaw was so swollen he couldn't talk very well for a day or two, so that was well worth it. 6 year olds, you know?
 
2013-05-24 09:48:36 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: You know that cartoon where Porky Pig is babysitting for a lady defense worker and the lady give Porky a book called (something like) "Successful Child Rearing." She tells Porky "If he gives you any trouble, just use the book" And then she flies off to work. Literally.

And the kid is a brat and Porky flips through the pages trying to find a solution. But nothing really works. When the lady gets home, she finds Porky exhausted and the kid being a brat. She says to Porky "Did you use the books?" Porky said he did but nothing worked. The lady says "You don't use the book that way. Use it this way" and she picks up the kids and starts beating him on the butt with the book.

Life and Porky Pig cartoons. Sometimes they intersect.


Just talking about that cartoon the other day. Warner Bros. Rules!

I do work with Multi-Handicapped children and Autistic/Aspbergers children, and they can be very scary smart, but have temper explosions that seemingly can't be controlled. However I will tell you that with the proper behaviour mods, explosions occur less and less frequently. But it takes time, and the cooperation of staff and parents.

That said, it could just be that she doesn't have limits at home, obviously not caloric limits! And if you look at her, there might be some fetal alcohol syndrome there too..and yeah, when you work with children who are not in the "contained classroom" range, you start seeing aspects everywhere!
 
2013-05-24 09:48:52 AM  

doubled99: Most scales set the mean IQ at 100 with a standard deviation of 15. 130 puts her on the borderline between two and three standard deviations: about the 95th percentile. This isn't genius material -that's typically put at the borderline between three and four deviations- but it's not too shabby at all.
That said, I'm not qualified to diagnose, but no way is this Asperger's. She's crossing lines that are not typical of that diagnosis: Asperger's kids can be awkward, even creepy, and sometimes they even make threats, but as a rule they are not actually dangerous. These repeated attacks on teachers suggest some very different diagnoses: ones that society does not look on nearly as kindly.

Guess it's time to invent another new "disorder" to diagnose kids with


NSBHS.

Needs-Shovel-to-the-Back-of-the-Head syndrome.
 
2013-05-24 09:49:37 AM  

Millennium: Honest Bender: has an IQ of 130

Way to celebrate mediocrity.

Most scales set the mean IQ at 100 with a standard deviation of 15. 130 puts her on the borderline between two and three standard deviations: about the 95th percentile. This isn't genius material -that's typically put at the borderline between three and four deviations- but it's not too shabby at all.

That said, I'm not qualified to diagnose, but no way is this Asperger's. She's crossing lines that are not typical of that diagnosis: Asperger's kids can be awkward, even creepy, and sometimes they even make threats, but as a rule they are not actually dangerous. These repeated attacks on teachers suggest some very different diagnoses: ones that society does not look on nearly as kindly.


It's also weird that it comes about from being ignored. Autism Spectrum Disorders are classified as sensory processing disorders and tend to be exacerbated by... well... senses. That is over-stimulation rather than not feeling like you're being paid enough attention.

That said, she could be further down (or up, can never remember) the scale in the spectrum than the parents think.

/My first thought was narcissistic personality disorder if that's where you were headed...
 
2013-05-24 09:52:25 AM  
so she's a smart brat who's parents let her get away with murder at home, and are then surprised when she acts like an ass outside the home.

So do we go with the new version

Veruca Salt the little brute
Has just gone down the garbage chute.
And she will meet as she decends, a rather different set of friends.
A rather different set of friends
A rather different set of friends.

A fishhead, for example, cut, this morning from a halibut.
An oyster from an oyster stew,
A steak that no one else would chew.
And lots of other things as well,
Each with it's rather horrid smell, horrid smell.
These are Veruca's new found friends
That she will meet as she descends.
These are Veruca's new found friends!

Who went and spoiled her, who indeed?
Who pandered to her every need?
Who turned her into such a brat?
Who are the culprits? Who did that?
The guilty ones, now this is sad,
Dear old mom and loving dad.


Or my favorite, the classic version because Gene Wilder

Oompa Loompa doompadee doo
I've got another puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doompadee dee
If you are wise you will listen to me
Who do you blame when your kid is a brat
Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat?
Blaming the kids is a lion of shame
You know exactly who's to blame:
The mother and the father!
Oompa Loompa doompadee dah
If you're not spoiled then you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa doompadee do
 
2013-05-24 09:53:18 AM  
It's the daily mail, people. Whatever the story is about, its either made up or distorted to the point that it may as well be.
 
2013-05-24 10:06:58 AM  

loonatic112358: Blaming the kids is a lion of shame


I think it's "a lie and a shame," though.
 
2013-05-24 10:08:08 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-24 10:09:19 AM  
Zero structure at home, this is news?
 
2013-05-24 10:19:21 AM  

namegoeshere: Boarding school

Waterboarding School.  is probably the best place for her.

Also, really, I'm the first to mention that she's a Ginger?
 
2013-05-24 10:23:02 AM  

RedVentrue: namegoeshere: Boarding school Waterboarding School.  is probably the best place for her.

Also, really, I'm the first to mention that she's a Ginger?


Pretty sure tags title is referencing she is ginger.
 
2013-05-24 10:27:16 AM  

orbister: namegoeshere: Let's see... she's smart but not brilliant, but her parents tell her that she is. If she experiences the slightest hint of failure, she explodes. She is obviously indulged and given whatever she demands, as is evident in part by her weight. No one is denying her her snackies. She's not aggressive at home, because she's listened to given whatever she demands.  Since the parents are "100% sure she has Aspergers" without a diagnosis, they will not entertain that she is a little shiat in need of firm discipline. Not her fault, it's her Aspergers. No one listens to her at school. That's the problem.

That's a pretty big set of deductions to make with no knowledge of the story beyond the Daily Fail's rantings.

However, I agree with you completely. Spoiled brat who lashes out whenever she isn't indulged. I know two others just like her.


This is Fark. That's how we roll.
 
2013-05-24 10:28:29 AM  

Millennium: That said, I'm not qualified to diagnose, but no way is this Asperger's. She's crossing lines that are not typical of that diagnosis: Asperger's kids can be awkward, even creepy, and sometimes they even make threats, but as a rule they are not actually dangerous. These repeated attacks on teachers suggest some very different diagnoses: ones that society does not look on nearly as kindly.


I have a GED in Psychology (from the same school some of y'all have your GED in Law from) and I'm gonna vote for Bipolar Disorder.  I think there's no shortage of kids whose behavioral issues stem from being treated like a preshus snoeflaek and could stand a lesson or two in the harsh realities of life--e.g. that not everyone is a winner and that life is not some sort of caucus-race in which "everyone has won, and all must have prizes".  I also think that some mental-health conditions are overdiagnosed and that psych medications are overprescribed as a result.  But this kid has something wrong with her brain chemistry and needs meds sooner rather than later, before her social and academic development are foreclosed by her behavioral issues to an extent that will preclude her having any sort of happy life.
 
2013-05-24 10:30:13 AM  

Intrepid00: RedVentrue: namegoeshere: Boarding school Waterboarding School.  is probably the best place for her.

Also, really, I'm the first to mention that she's a Ginger?

Pretty sure tags title is referencing she is ginger.


Yes, I see that now. I will blame my fail on my Aspergers which I do not have.
 
2013-05-24 10:34:42 AM  

someonelse: loonatic112358: Blaming the kids is a lion of shame

I think it's "a lie and a shame," though.


I just copied it from elsewhere on the internet, so if memory serves me you're probably correct
 
2013-05-24 10:38:20 AM  

wickedragon: This. I mean fark, even I got more IQ than that, and the only way to get someone to call me a genius is to pay somebody who hasn't met me.


130 is not genius level intelligence, but by most scales it would at least be described as "gifted". On most typical IQ scales, she would be much smarter than the vast majority of other people.
 
2013-05-24 10:44:45 AM  

geekbikerskum: Millennium: That said, I'm not qualified to diagnose, but no way is this Asperger's. She's crossing lines that are not typical of that diagnosis: Asperger's kids can be awkward, even creepy, and sometimes they even make threats, but as a rule they are not actually dangerous. These repeated attacks on teachers suggest some very different diagnoses: ones that society does not look on nearly as kindly.

I have a GED in Psychology (from the same school some of y'all have your GED in Law from) and I'm gonna vote for Bipolar Disorder.  I think there's no shortage of kids whose behavioral issues stem from being treated like a preshus snoeflaek and could stand a lesson or two in the harsh realities of life--e.g. that not everyone is a winner and that life is not some sort of caucus-race in which "everyone has won, and all must have prizes".  I also think that some mental-health conditions are overdiagnosed and that psych medications are overprescribed as a result.  But this kid has something wrong with her brain chemistry and needs meds sooner rather than later, before her social and academic development are foreclosed by her behavioral issues to an extent that will preclude her having any sort of happy life.


I know you're being facetious, but most psychologists and psychiatrists wouldn't (and IMHO shouldn't unless they have a damn good reason, including SPECT/PET/fMRI scans etc) diagnose an 8 year old with early-onset bipolar affective disorder. Plus the outward expression of anger would indicate (unless she also has other mood swings) exclusively mixed states, and her rapid swing to becoming aggressive would make her ultra-ultra rapid (or radian) cycling. So I wouldn't go with bipolar, no.

Early medication for psychiatric (especially if we're talking psychotic) disorders can be a real mixed bag, especially since a huge range of them aren't approved for use with teenagers let alone adolescents.

/Doesn't stop them from being prescribed however
//Really have NFI what issues she has, can only speculate from a shiattily-written article
///Hey - I'm bored
 
2013-05-24 10:56:43 AM  

loonatic112358: so she's a smart brat who's parents let her get away with murder at home, and are then surprised when she acts like an ass outside the home.

So do we go with the new version

Veruca Salt the little brute
Has just gone down the garbage chute.
And she will meet as she decends, a rather different set of friends.
A rather different set of friends
A rather different set of friends.

A fishhead, for example, cut, this morning from a halibut.
An oyster from an oyster stew,
A steak that no one else would chew.
And lots of other things as well,
Each with it's rather horrid smell, horrid smell.
These are Veruca's new found friends
That she will meet as she descends.
These are Veruca's new found friends!

Who went and spoiled her, who indeed?
Who pandered to her every need?
Who turned her into such a brat?
Who are the culprits? Who did that?
The guilty ones, now this is sad,
Dear old mom and loving dad.

Or my favorite, the classic version because Gene Wilder

Oompa Loompa doompadee doo
I've got another puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doompadee dee
If you are wise you will listen to me
Who do you blame when your kid is a brat
Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat?
Blaming the kids is a lion of shame
You know exactly who's to blame:
The mother and the father!
Oompa Loompa doompadee dah
If you're not spoiled then you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa doompadee do


I will agree - the gene wilder one was much better.

This little brat is a combo of:

www.chicagonow.com

and:
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-24 11:22:34 AM  
Somehow you just know that the parents talk about her 130 IQ within five seconds of meeting someone. "Nice day out today." - "Yes, quite a nice day for me as my daughter has an IQ of 130."
 
2013-05-24 11:27:13 AM  
Maybe her parents should try, oh I dunno, teaching her a thing or two about ANYTHING in this world rather than deciding that a high I.Q. is the be-all end-all of this.
 
2013-05-24 11:27:47 AM  
This is what happens when families want peace at home.  Kid wants to unwind and act out at home, but mom and pop want peace and quiet.  So, they take the kid out in public, where no one is allowed to shame them when the kid acts out.  They take the little confused one home, discipline the fool out of it, and the kid learns to be submissive in private and outrageous in public.  Parents need to discipline the kid consistently, with immediate consequences, not delayed by some arbitrary, just what til I get you home threats.

Probably does have some other stuff going on, but the parents need a swift kick in the butt first.
 
2013-05-24 11:35:20 AM  

Astorix: Nobody on this thread has an autistic child.


Neither do the parents in TFA.

And do you know what Autism is not? An excuse for allowing your child to do whatever they want, whenever they want.
 
2013-05-24 11:35:28 AM  
Despite the fact that the kid is clearly over-indulged by her parents, she likely does have legitimate issues that need to be addressed.

Unfortunately, if she's violently lashing out at teachers when she doesn't get her way, the school really doesn't have much of a choice other than to kick her out. They likely don't have the resources to deal with her problems and it would do more harm than good to all involved to keep her there.

Doesn't seem like aspergers to me, more like the beginnings of a personality disorder. But wtf do I know?
 
2013-05-24 11:37:39 AM  
 
2013-05-24 11:44:08 AM  
Seems like they need to take her to a specialist to receive a proper diagnosis and treatment recommendations. Might also help to pursue family therapy so she can learn better coping skills for her low distress tolerance/difficulty with emotion regulation, and the family needs to learn how to respond to her behavioral problems and to set rules and boundaries with her. Just making speculations about what's wrong isn't going to help her or the family :/
 
2013-05-24 12:34:17 PM  

bighairyguy: You're supposed to beat that kind of behavior out of your kids when they are 2.  Parental fail #1.

FTA:  Mr Tait, 53, said: 'Our lives have become absolute hell. We have fallen apart as a family. 'I am 100 per cent sure that Charlotte has Asperger syndrome and is simply not being listened to. 'I have done a huge amount of research into the condition during the nights where I have been unable to sleep due to the stress that the Charlotte's schools has caused us.'

 
Note that it's "Mr.", not "Dr.".  No mention of taking the little princess to a real doctor who could provide an actual diagnosis of Aspergers, or not.  It could also be possible she did see real doctors and dad was unhappy with her being diagnosed as a pissy little brat.  Either way, Parental fail #2.
/IQ of 130, is that metric?


FTFA, they're  planning on taking her to a doctor--the problem is that she has to wait a year.

/And I highly doubt it's Asperger's, the symptoms sound wrong, at least without any mention of using routines at home. Intermittent Explosive Disorder, though, I could see, since Mommy and Daddy are clearly getting rid of whatever stimuli triggers her at home.
//Either way, the licensed medical professional can sort it out, but I doubt a Fark thread will. And if she's actually mentally ill, treating her like a brat won't do a damn thing.
 
2013-05-24 12:41:43 PM  
I just emailed that story to an Autism specialist I work with for her online diagnosis.

And just what the hell is a "soft play" business?
 
2013-05-24 12:55:14 PM  
Hmmm, let's see:

1. Parents do not teach self control to little slowflake;

2. Little snowflake grows up thinking she rules the world;

3. World has other ideas, expects little snowflake to have manners and show respect for others;

4. Little snowflake throws tantrums when she has to behave like everyone else;

5. Parents blame teacher, schools, system, ADHD, Ass--burgers' syndrome-----everyone but themselves, for not doing their duty.

That about get it?
 
2013-05-24 12:58:39 PM  

vudukungfu: What she needs is some Martial arts training.

a field trip to an eccentric candymaker, an unauthorised taste-test of blueberry-juice candy, and a date with a mess of Oompa-Loompas and a big wine press for purposes of strategic attitude adjustment.

FTFY--"Aspergers" does not mean "Little shiat", people like the parents above actually make it difficult for people with a LEGITIMATE diagnosis of Asperger's, I see the kid and think more "Intermittent explosive disorder" or some other disorder associated with sociopathy, and am reminded of nothing more or less than a certain Violet Beauregarde. :P
 
2013-05-24 01:20:52 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: vudukungfu: What she needs is some Martial arts training. a field trip to an eccentric candymaker, an unauthorised taste-test of blueberry-juice candy, and a date with a mess of Oompa-Loompas and a big wine press for purposes of strategic attitude adjustment.

FTFY--"Aspergers" does not mean "Little shiat", people like the parents above actually make it difficult for people with a LEGITIMATE diagnosis of Asperger's, I see the kid and think more "Intermittent explosive disorder" or some other disorder associated with sociopathy, and am reminded of nothing more or less than a certain  Veruca Salt :P


FTFY. Violet was the gum chewer.
 
2013-05-24 01:28:37 PM  

namegoeshere: Great Porn Dragon: vudukungfu: What she needs is some Martial arts training. a field trip to an eccentric candymaker, an unauthorised taste-test of blueberry-juice candy, and a date with a mess of Oompa-Loompas and a big wine press for purposes of strategic attitude adjustment.

FTFY--"Aspergers" does not mean "Little shiat", people like the parents above actually make it difficult for people with a LEGITIMATE diagnosis of Asperger's, I see the kid and think more "Intermittent explosive disorder" or some other disorder associated with sociopathy, and am reminded of nothing more or less than a certain  Veruca Salt :P



FTFY
 
2013-05-24 01:31:49 PM  

skozlaw: Intelligence is a common marker among sociopaths.

Honest Bender: Way to celebrate mediocrity.

You'd think before somebody started mocking another person's IQ they'd first take the time to learn how a bell curve works.

Yet here you are.


You'd think that before someone calls someone else out for presenting an uninformed view, they'd take the time to learn there's no such thing as a "bell curve" - that term is just a colloquialism referencing the shape of a histogram of a normal distribution, popularized by the book The Bell Curve.

Yet here you are.
 
2013-05-24 01:36:05 PM  
/csb time

My 5.5 year old son has had problems like this for years now. Been kicked out of 4 daycares for similar aggression issues, been through therapy, goes to special ed preschool where they address behavioral issues, been diagnosed ADHD but waiting over a year for an autism eval. It's most certainly not a case of a 'preshus snoflake syndrom' or whatever, because I don't put up with that kind of shiat nor do I believe in coddling children. I was raised with lots of discipline and smacks and spanking if I got too unruly. He has faced firm discipline at home all his life, and it has evolved based on what works and what didnt and what therapists recommend. He doesn't get candy at home and generally does behave quite a bit better here. I have no issues with bringing other kids over to play. It's been a long slow hard battle and we've tried a TON of behavioral techniques, but the best luck we've had was with changing his diet. We followed the Feingold Diet to remove all artificial flavors, dyes, certain preservatives and some fruits/veggies. After a few weeks, it really did help. He still has aggression issues and focus issues and is very impulsive, but it's just more manageable. He still has bad days at school with hitting and whatnot, but they are much fewer and farther between. Also, he's not fat and I have a job. There are definitely fishy parts with this story, but I can empathize with some of it.
 
2013-05-24 01:53:26 PM  

freetomato: namegoeshere: Great Porn Dragon: vudukungfu: What she needs is some Martial arts training. a field trip to an eccentric candymaker, an unauthorised taste-test of blueberry-juice candy, and a date with a mess of Oompa-Loompas and a big wine press for purposes of strategic attitude adjustment.

FTFY--"Aspergers" does not mean "Little shiat", people like the parents above actually make it difficult for people with a LEGITIMATE diagnosis of Asperger's, I see the kid and think more "Intermittent explosive disorder" or some other disorder associated with sociopathy, and am reminded of nothing more or less than a certain  Veruca Salt :P


FTFY


Heh. I linked the peanut factory tantrum above. ; )

Happiness. That's what counts with children. Happiness and harmony.
 
2013-05-24 01:59:14 PM  

Intrepid00: RedVentrue: namegoeshere: Boarding school Waterboarding School.  is probably the best place for her.

Also, really, I'm the first to mention that she's a Ginger?

Pretty sure tags title is referencing she is ginger.


I'm just saying she would have a great future at Guantanamo.

She's one of the gingeriest gingers I've seen in a while.
 
2013-05-24 02:13:10 PM  

Priapetic: You'd think that before someone calls someone else out for presenting an uninformed view, they'd take the time to learn there's no such thing as a "bell curve" - that term is just a colloquialism referencing the shape of a histogram of a normal distribution, popularized by the book The Bell Curve.


No, I wouldn't think that all. That's a stupid thing to think because people don't normally talk like that.
 
2013-05-24 02:15:03 PM  

Flarn: /csb time

My 5.5 year old son has had problems like this for years now. Been kicked out of 4 daycares for similar aggression issues, been through therapy, goes to special ed preschool where they address behavioral issues, been diagnosed ADHD but waiting over a year for an autism eval. It's most certainly not a case of a 'preshus snoflake syndrom' or whatever, because I don't put up with that kind of shiat nor do I believe in coddling children. I was raised with lots of discipline and smacks and spanking if I got too unruly. He has faced firm discipline at home all his life, and it has evolved based on what works and what didnt and what therapists recommend. He doesn't get candy at home and generally does behave quite a bit better here. I have no issues with bringing other kids over to play. It's been a long slow hard battle and we've tried a TON of behavioral techniques, but the best luck we've had was with changing his diet. We followed the Feingold Diet to remove all artificial flavors, dyes, certain preservatives and some fruits/veggies. After a few weeks, it really did help. He still has aggression issues and focus issues and is very impulsive, but it's just more manageable. He still has bad days at school with hitting and whatnot, but they are much fewer and farther between. Also, he's not fat and I have a job. There are definitely fishy parts with this story, but I can empathize with some of it.


Define "firm discipline"
 
2013-05-24 02:36:20 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Astorix: Nobody on this thread has an autistic child.

Neither do the parents in TFA.

And do you know what Autism is not? An excuse for allowing your child to do whatever they want, whenever they want.


Yes, we do.  Diagnosed in 2006. Waited 18 months to get the diagnosis.


/can't teach a pig to sing. Troll.
 
2013-05-24 02:39:55 PM  
"Doc, we've tried nuthin, and we're all outta options"
 
2013-05-24 02:45:33 PM  

Flarn: /csb time

My 5.5 year old son has had problems like this for years now. Been kicked out of 4 daycares for similar aggression issues, been through therapy, goes to special ed preschool where they address behavioral issues, been diagnosed ADHD but waiting over a year for an autism eval. It's most certainly not a case of a 'preshus snoflake syndrom' or whatever, because I don't put up with that kind of shiat nor do I believe in coddling children. I was raised with lots of discipline and smacks and spanking if I got too unruly. He has faced firm discipline at home all his life, and it has evolved based on what works and what didnt and what therapists recommend. He doesn't get candy at home and generally does behave quite a bit better here. I have no issues with bringing other kids over to play. It's been a long slow hard battle and we've tried a TON of behavioral techniques, but the best luck we've had was with changing his diet. We followed the Feingold Diet to remove all artificial flavors, dyes, certain preservatives and some fruits/veggies. After a few weeks, it really did help. He still has aggression issues and focus issues and is very impulsive, but it's just more manageable. He still has bad days at school with hitting and whatnot, but they are much fewer and farther between. Also, he's not fat and I have a job. There are definitely fishy parts with this story, but I can empathize with some of it.


Diet does help our daughter. We noticed that anything with red food dyes sent her nuts. We cut out all candies. We also noticed that blueberries have a great calming affect on her. Almost a sedating effect. Is your son a hugely picky eater. We noticed that with our daughter and all other autistic children. Our pediatrician refuses to give her Aspergers because she is too young in his view amd not verbal enough. She is definitely on the ASD. She is definitely hyperlexic.
 
2013-05-24 02:47:58 PM  
Defenestrate the little piggie.
 
2013-05-24 03:06:58 PM  
All it takes is parents not teaching their kids how to conduct themselves in public or in a classroom setting.
It starts from day one and never ends.
If the kid has a problem with that, tough shiat. Better they know how to navigate and negotiate through life than end up in jail.

Parent fail.
 
2013-05-24 03:36:03 PM  
Intrepid00:

Define "firm discipline"

As I said, a variety of tactics have been employed. Very firm tones when rules are broken, lots of communication about what he did wrong and why it's wrong, clear consequences laid out that are always followed through if threatened, well spelled out rewards and punishments, reward charts, loss of toys and other privileges, timeouts, ignoring, and even spanking for the worst behavior. The spankings increased aggression so we stopped doing that. It wasn't the first thing we tried, but in the end we had to try everything. These days it's just clear rewards for the good behavior, firm expressions of disappointment, discussion, the occasional timeout, and loss of stuff for serious infractions. Tantrums will generally get him ignored or put in bed. If we are in public, I have no issue with picking up my screaming child and taking him home, no matter where we are or how much fun we were having. You behave or you don't get fun things. Period.

That having been said, I do have to have some compassion for him sometimes when he truly doesn't understand what he did wrong. Part of the problem with the potential ADHD/Autism issue is normal discipline just doesn't work because their brains are not wired up right to understand the consequences of their actions before they take the action, no matter how many times you might go over that or how many times they get in trouble. In the heat of the moment, he often can't process right from wrong. When calm, you can quiz him six ways to Sunday about the right way to act in a given situation and he will respond correctly every time.

Astorix:
Is your son a hugely picky eater.

Luckily, he's not. That's made the diet change easy. He is extremely verbal and has a higher than average vocabulary for his age, so he fully understands (after explanations) when something isn't good for him to eat and abides by it.
 
2013-05-24 04:09:54 PM  

Flarn: Intrepid00:

Define "firm discipline"

As I said, a variety of tactics have been employed. Very firm tones when rules are broken, lots of communication about what he did wrong and why it's wrong, clear consequences laid out that are always followed through if threatened, well spelled out rewards and punishments, reward charts, loss of toys and other privileges, timeouts, ignoring, and even spanking for the worst behavior. The spankings increased aggression so we stopped doing that. It wasn't the first thing we tried, but in the end we had to try everything. These days it's just clear rewards for the good behavior, firm expressions of disappointment, discussion, the occasional timeout, and loss of stuff for serious infractions. Tantrums will generally get him ignored or put in bed. If we are in public, I have no issue with picking up my screaming child and taking him home, no matter where we are or how much fun we were having. You behave or you don't get fun things. Period.

That having been said, I do have to have some compassion for him sometimes when he truly doesn't understand what he did wrong. Part of the problem with the potential ADHD/Autism issue is normal discipline just doesn't work because their brains are not wired up right to understand the consequences of their actions before they take the action, no matter how many times you might go over that or how many times they get in trouble. In the heat of the moment, he often can't process right from wrong. When calm, you can quiz him six ways to Sunday about the right way to act in a given situation and he will respond correctly every time.

Astorix:
Is your son a hugely picky eater.

Luckily, he's not. That's made the diet change easy. He is extremely verbal and has a higher than average vocabulary for his age, so he fully understands (after explanations) when something isn't good for him to eat and abides by it.


Oh, man, how I have walked your walk. We tried everything too, spanking as a very last resort. Autistic kids have very poor impulse control and this is something that only those who have dealt with understand. And getting them to u derstand esoteric concepts such as consequences is maddeningly difficult.
 
2013-05-24 04:16:13 PM  

Omnis_evil_twin: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x513]


[static.tvtropes.org image 327x348]


Yes! Thank you.  I knew she looked familiar, but I could not place her.
 
2013-05-24 04:35:38 PM  

skozlaw: Priapetic: You'd think that before someone calls someone else out for presenting an uninformed view, they'd take the time to learn there's no such thing as a "bell curve" - that term is just a colloquialism referencing the shape of a histogram of a normal distribution, popularized by the book The Bell Curve.

No, I wouldn't think that all. That's a stupid thing to think because people don't normally talk like that.


You're correct that people frequently display their ignorance by misusing phrases such as "bell curve" thinking they have a specific meaning, in the same manner as the poster you castigated did not fully understand probability distribution.  But its hardly a "stupid thing to think" - we can strive to be so much better than we are, and should.  Regression to the mean is not a desirable goal.  Your action to correct a fellow poster clearly points out the high standards you set for those engaged in discourse here.  Surely you agree you should hold yourself to the same standards you require of them?
 
2013-05-24 04:46:33 PM  

Priapetic: You're correct that people frequently display their ignorance


For example, they create a Fark handle that means "dick" but don't do anything more clever with it than look up an adjective for it?

Take your pseudo-intellectual bullshiat elsewhere. I find it shallow and pedantic.
 
2013-05-24 05:13:29 PM  
Sounds like some percussive discipline is needed here.
 
2013-05-24 08:06:45 PM  
Sounds like she's a spoiled little tw*t.  Nobody cares how your little turd scores on her tests if she's a jackass.
 
2013-05-24 08:14:00 PM  

olddinosaur: Hmmm, let's see:

1. Parents do not teach self control to little slowflake;

2. Little snowflake grows up thinking she rules the world;

3. World has other ideas, expects little snowflake to have manners and show respect for others;

4. Little snowflake throws tantrums when she has to behave like everyone else;

5. Parents blame teacher, schools, system, ADHD, Ass--burgers' syndrome-----everyone but themselves, for not doing their duty.

That about get it?



Pretty much, except that the reason they think she is a precious little snowflake is because she has an IQ of 130. Apparently that is really important.
 
2013-05-24 08:21:32 PM  
"Until she has a firm diagnosis, the couple will not be able to see their daughter be offered the training and support they feel she desperately needs."

Boy are they going to be pissed when they find out there is nothing medically wrong with their not-so-little snowflake, and as a result this magical training and support that they think they are entitled to wont be forthcoming.

Also, she doesn't look like a very picky eater.
 
2013-05-24 11:17:36 PM  
As a teacher, this kind of article makes me want to kick and bite people, too.  The parents are blaming the system for failing their daughter when she is clearly a danger to herself and others.  Just this year, I have heard the BS from parents saying the their child "never behaves like that at home", shortly followed by stories about how their child was hitting them during a tantrum.  It's self-delusion, combined with the desire to be free of their children for a short time.

Just today, a staff member didn't come into work because a child (2nd grade) beat on them so hard that they were bloodied and bruised (including two black eyes).  While this was the worst incident, there have been 3 - 5 incidents every week where this same child has attacked an adult or another child.  It generally pulls 3 teachers or other staff members away from what they are doing for 30 - 60 minutes to protect the safety of the rest of the students.

And this isn't just one child.  We have several in the school who behave like this due to emotional or psychological issues.  Other students, who might otherwise be manageable, see these behaviors, begin to accept them as normal, and start behaving similarly.  I'm shocked that parents haven't sued the district for the absurd policy of keeping these dangerous kids in the regular classroom.

I'm sorry, but school staff are not psychologists or orderlies in a institution.  Teachers have 25 (or so) other students to deal with during the day, and cannot drop everything to devote hours of one-on-one time to one disturbed child.  It is an incredible disservice to the rest of the class, and frankly the entire society, when this level of resources is dedicated to damage control.

I feel for these parents - they are in a horrible situation (and no, I don't blame most of them for the problems.  Harder discipline is not the answer for many of these kids.) - but the traditional public school system does not work for, and often because of, these kids with severe emotional or behavioral problems.  This coming from a big believer in efficacy of public schools and the inclusion model for most students.

Whew!  I feel a little better...
 
2013-05-24 11:27:31 PM  

skozlaw: Priapetic: You're correct that people frequently display their ignorance

For example, they create a Fark handle that means "dick" but don't do anything more clever with it than look up an adjective for it?

Take your pseudo-intellectual bullshiat elsewhere. I find it shallow and pedantic.


Amusing.  So take your self-righteous hypocrisy elsewhere.  If your self esteem is so low you need to call out people on an anonymous forum for not conforming to your standard of discourse, then whine when the same is applied to you, you'd think you'd have enough sense to shut up.

Yet here you are.
 
2013-05-25 12:08:42 AM  

Honest Bender: has an IQ of 130

Way to celebrate mediocrity.


Damn straight. One thirty qualifies as my barista, or dog walker.

/my dog's name is "Schroedinger".
 
2013-05-25 05:38:39 AM  

freetomato: And just what the hell is a "soft play" business?


Indoor (normally) play area for toddlers and younger children to ten or so. Typically a multilevel maze with slides, ladders, bridges and so on. Everything is padded, hence "soft play". Great fun.
 
2013-05-25 05:42:46 AM  

Intrepid00: Define "firm discipline"


I used to work on residential activities for children. The worst behaviour we saw, generally, came from the children of policemen and soldiers. Lots of firm discipline at home, lots of punishment, very little ability to decide for themselves what was appropriate behaviour.

/not directed at anyone in particular here
 
2013-05-25 09:22:51 AM  
...and I thought a few kids I knew had problems. This is the worst I have seen in a long time.
 
2013-05-25 09:23:51 AM  

kdawg7736: ...and I thought a few kids I knew had problems. This is the worst I have seen in a long time.


Maybe she has Asperger's (a form of autism) too.
 
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