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2013-05-24 09:07:44 AM  
An IQ of 130?!? Whoooooo!

Big farking deal, and what does it possibly have to do with a story about a fat, violent little biatch?
 
2013-05-24 09:07:53 AM  

Nidiot: IQ of 130, but not smart enough to learn some self control.


IQ has nothing to do with self control.  High IQ indicates the capability of solving problems, not the ability to regulate your own behavior.   There are many unintelligent people who have much more stable lives than many geniuses.
 
2013-05-24 09:08:15 AM  
Monkeyfark Ridiculous:

But they can only do one at a time? It's a farking full-time job for three weeks to make a diagnosis? In the AVERAGE case?

That is socialize medicine for ya.

I also wonder why BOTH parents had to quit their job to take care of her.
 
2013-05-24 09:11:05 AM  
I think they just need to let a little air out of her. She looks over inflated.
 
2013-05-24 09:14:09 AM  
laughin:
I also wonder why BOTH parents had to quit their job to take care of her.

Because if they didn't, she would have sent them to the cornfield.
 
2013-05-24 09:14:21 AM  

doubled99: An IQ of 130?!? Whoooooo!

Big farking deal, and what does it possibly have to do with a story about a fat, violent little biatch?


Since it was the second thing mentioned, after her age, I'm guessing that the parents are of the opinion that their child is BRILLIANT and therefore can't possibly be an evil little shiat. It must be a medical condition.
 
2013-05-24 09:15:52 AM  
Does the family get money in the UK for an Aspergers diagnosis? Because two unemployed parents...
 
2013-05-24 09:18:53 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: You know that cartoon where Porky Pig is babysitting for a lady defense worker and the lady give Porky a book called (something like) "Successful Child Rearing." She tells Porky "If he gives you any trouble, just use the book" And then she flies off to work. Literally.

And the kid is a brat and Porky flips through the pages trying to find a solution. But nothing really works. When the lady gets home, she finds Porky exhausted and the kid being a brat. She says to Porky "Did you use the books?" Porky said he did but nothing worked. The lady says "You don't use the book that way. Use it this way" and she picks up the kids and starts beating him on the butt with the book.

Life and Porky Pig cartoons. Sometimes they intersect.


That was beautiful.
 
2013-05-24 09:20:01 AM  
Is everyone in England unemployed, or just the ones in the newspapers?
 
2013-05-24 09:24:10 AM  

Dr Dreidel: I used to work at a psych hospital, where I came across a child with a very similar problem.

A normal looking 8-10 y.o. child who could have pleasant and intelligent conversations...until they flew into random rages and started swinging fists, biting, kicking, clawing. Not pretty - I had to wear arm guards when working with the kid, and when mom visited (every day), she had to wear them too. What was really weird is that the kid didn't seem to be able to control it - eyes would well up with tears as blows rained down on us, and it really seemed like the kid'd get possessed every few minutes but still remain conscious as an observer.

Human brains are wired weird.


I've been doing all the paperwork and observing a case like this right now. Unfortunately the kid is now 13 so things are getting tougher. He's very smart....knows /everything/ about cartoons, even the artists that created cartoons from the 50's. He just goes into these tunnel-vision rages and cries. Like you said, it seems like he's just an observer. His parents have two other well behaved, successful kids and are at a loss. It sucks to watch.
 
2013-05-24 09:34:28 AM  

Honest Bender: has an IQ of 130

Way to celebrate mediocrity.


Most scales set the mean IQ at 100 with a standard deviation of 15. 130 puts her on the borderline between two and three standard deviations: about the 95th percentile. This isn't genius material -that's typically put at the borderline between three and four deviations- but it's not too shabby at all.

That said, I'm not qualified to diagnose, but no way is this Asperger's. She's crossing lines that are not typical of that diagnosis: Asperger's kids can be awkward, even creepy, and sometimes they even make threats, but as a rule they are not actually dangerous. These repeated attacks on teachers suggest some very different diagnoses: ones that society does not look on nearly as kindly.
 
2013-05-24 09:36:07 AM  
FTFA: 'I have done a huge amount of research into the condition during the nights where I have been unable to sleep due to the stress that the Charlotte's schools has caused us.'

Uhhh, let the doctoring to the doctors

/and the prisoner in their own home line was awesome
//I think their precious snowflake just has temper issues
///but I'm not a doctor, Jim!
 
2013-05-24 09:36:32 AM  
Hm,
I don't agree with the parents.
I'm guessing rampant raging narcissism.
 
2013-05-24 09:36:44 AM  

namegoeshere: Let's see... she's smart but not brilliant, but her parents tell her that she is. If she experiences the slightest hint of failure, she explodes. She is obviously indulged and given whatever she demands, as is evident in part by her weight. No one is denying her her snackies. She's not aggressive at home, because she's listened to given whatever she demands.  Since the parents are "100% sure she has Aspergers" without a diagnosis, they will not entertain that she is a little shiat in need of firm discipline. Not her fault, it's her Aspergers. No one listens to her at school. That's the problem.


That's a pretty big set of deductions to make with no knowledge of the story beyond the Daily Fail's rantings.

However, I agree with you completely. Spoiled brat who lashes out whenever she isn't indulged. I know two others just like her.
 
2013-05-24 09:37:33 AM  
Most scales set the mean IQ at 100 with a standard deviation of 15. 130 puts her on the borderline between two and three standard deviations: about the 95th percentile. This isn't genius material -that's typically put at the borderline between three and four deviations- but it's not too shabby at all.
That said, I'm not qualified to diagnose, but no way is this Asperger's. She's crossing lines that are not typical of that diagnosis: Asperger's kids can be awkward, even creepy, and sometimes they even make threats, but as a rule they are not actually dangerous. These repeated attacks on teachers suggest some very different diagnoses: ones that society does not look on nearly as kindly.


Guess it's time to invent another new "disorder" to diagnose kids with
 
2013-05-24 09:38:09 AM  

megarian: Harry Freakstorm: You know that cartoon where Porky Pig is babysitting for a lady defense worker and the lady give Porky a book called (something like) "Successful Child Rearing." She tells Porky "If he gives you any trouble, just use the book" And then she flies off to work. Literally.

And the kid is a brat and Porky flips through the pages trying to find a solution. But nothing really works. When the lady gets home, she finds Porky exhausted and the kid being a brat. She says to Porky "Did you use the books?" Porky said he did but nothing worked. The lady says "You don't use the book that way. Use it this way" and she picks up the kids and starts beating him on the butt with the book.

Life and Porky Pig cartoons. Sometimes they intersect.

That was beautiful.


I'll second that.
 
2013-05-24 09:39:35 AM  

Honest Bender: has an IQ of 130

Way to celebrate mediocrity.


This. I mean fark, even I got more IQ than that, and the only way to get someone to call me a genius is to pay somebody who hasn't met me.
 
2013-05-24 09:45:56 AM  
Nobody on this thread has an autistic child.

/lots of luck to anybody here who winds up having one. You'll need every bit of it.
 
2013-05-24 09:46:24 AM  
My gifted child tried to pick up a chair and swing it at meand I slapped him to the ground so hard he couldn't even get up and cry. Just sort of laid there had an asthma attack for a bit or something. We didn't send him to school for a bit and his jaw was so swollen he couldn't talk very well for a day or two, so that was well worth it. 6 year olds, you know?
 
2013-05-24 09:48:36 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: You know that cartoon where Porky Pig is babysitting for a lady defense worker and the lady give Porky a book called (something like) "Successful Child Rearing." She tells Porky "If he gives you any trouble, just use the book" And then she flies off to work. Literally.

And the kid is a brat and Porky flips through the pages trying to find a solution. But nothing really works. When the lady gets home, she finds Porky exhausted and the kid being a brat. She says to Porky "Did you use the books?" Porky said he did but nothing worked. The lady says "You don't use the book that way. Use it this way" and she picks up the kids and starts beating him on the butt with the book.

Life and Porky Pig cartoons. Sometimes they intersect.


Just talking about that cartoon the other day. Warner Bros. Rules!

I do work with Multi-Handicapped children and Autistic/Aspbergers children, and they can be very scary smart, but have temper explosions that seemingly can't be controlled. However I will tell you that with the proper behaviour mods, explosions occur less and less frequently. But it takes time, and the cooperation of staff and parents.

That said, it could just be that she doesn't have limits at home, obviously not caloric limits! And if you look at her, there might be some fetal alcohol syndrome there too..and yeah, when you work with children who are not in the "contained classroom" range, you start seeing aspects everywhere!
 
2013-05-24 09:48:52 AM  

doubled99: Most scales set the mean IQ at 100 with a standard deviation of 15. 130 puts her on the borderline between two and three standard deviations: about the 95th percentile. This isn't genius material -that's typically put at the borderline between three and four deviations- but it's not too shabby at all.
That said, I'm not qualified to diagnose, but no way is this Asperger's. She's crossing lines that are not typical of that diagnosis: Asperger's kids can be awkward, even creepy, and sometimes they even make threats, but as a rule they are not actually dangerous. These repeated attacks on teachers suggest some very different diagnoses: ones that society does not look on nearly as kindly.

Guess it's time to invent another new "disorder" to diagnose kids with


NSBHS.

Needs-Shovel-to-the-Back-of-the-Head syndrome.
 
2013-05-24 09:49:37 AM  

Millennium: Honest Bender: has an IQ of 130

Way to celebrate mediocrity.

Most scales set the mean IQ at 100 with a standard deviation of 15. 130 puts her on the borderline between two and three standard deviations: about the 95th percentile. This isn't genius material -that's typically put at the borderline between three and four deviations- but it's not too shabby at all.

That said, I'm not qualified to diagnose, but no way is this Asperger's. She's crossing lines that are not typical of that diagnosis: Asperger's kids can be awkward, even creepy, and sometimes they even make threats, but as a rule they are not actually dangerous. These repeated attacks on teachers suggest some very different diagnoses: ones that society does not look on nearly as kindly.


It's also weird that it comes about from being ignored. Autism Spectrum Disorders are classified as sensory processing disorders and tend to be exacerbated by... well... senses. That is over-stimulation rather than not feeling like you're being paid enough attention.

That said, she could be further down (or up, can never remember) the scale in the spectrum than the parents think.

/My first thought was narcissistic personality disorder if that's where you were headed...
 
2013-05-24 09:52:25 AM  
so she's a smart brat who's parents let her get away with murder at home, and are then surprised when she acts like an ass outside the home.

So do we go with the new version

Veruca Salt the little brute
Has just gone down the garbage chute.
And she will meet as she decends, a rather different set of friends.
A rather different set of friends
A rather different set of friends.

A fishhead, for example, cut, this morning from a halibut.
An oyster from an oyster stew,
A steak that no one else would chew.
And lots of other things as well,
Each with it's rather horrid smell, horrid smell.
These are Veruca's new found friends
That she will meet as she descends.
These are Veruca's new found friends!

Who went and spoiled her, who indeed?
Who pandered to her every need?
Who turned her into such a brat?
Who are the culprits? Who did that?
The guilty ones, now this is sad,
Dear old mom and loving dad.


Or my favorite, the classic version because Gene Wilder

Oompa Loompa doompadee doo
I've got another puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doompadee dee
If you are wise you will listen to me
Who do you blame when your kid is a brat
Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat?
Blaming the kids is a lion of shame
You know exactly who's to blame:
The mother and the father!
Oompa Loompa doompadee dah
If you're not spoiled then you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa doompadee do
 
2013-05-24 09:53:18 AM  
It's the daily mail, people. Whatever the story is about, its either made up or distorted to the point that it may as well be.
 
2013-05-24 10:06:58 AM  

loonatic112358: Blaming the kids is a lion of shame


I think it's "a lie and a shame," though.
 
2013-05-24 10:08:08 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-24 10:09:19 AM  
Zero structure at home, this is news?
 
2013-05-24 10:19:21 AM  

namegoeshere: Boarding school

Waterboarding School.  is probably the best place for her.

Also, really, I'm the first to mention that she's a Ginger?
 
2013-05-24 10:23:02 AM  

RedVentrue: namegoeshere: Boarding school Waterboarding School.  is probably the best place for her.

Also, really, I'm the first to mention that she's a Ginger?


Pretty sure tags title is referencing she is ginger.
 
2013-05-24 10:27:16 AM  

orbister: namegoeshere: Let's see... she's smart but not brilliant, but her parents tell her that she is. If she experiences the slightest hint of failure, she explodes. She is obviously indulged and given whatever she demands, as is evident in part by her weight. No one is denying her her snackies. She's not aggressive at home, because she's listened to given whatever she demands.  Since the parents are "100% sure she has Aspergers" without a diagnosis, they will not entertain that she is a little shiat in need of firm discipline. Not her fault, it's her Aspergers. No one listens to her at school. That's the problem.

That's a pretty big set of deductions to make with no knowledge of the story beyond the Daily Fail's rantings.

However, I agree with you completely. Spoiled brat who lashes out whenever she isn't indulged. I know two others just like her.


This is Fark. That's how we roll.
 
2013-05-24 10:28:29 AM  

Millennium: That said, I'm not qualified to diagnose, but no way is this Asperger's. She's crossing lines that are not typical of that diagnosis: Asperger's kids can be awkward, even creepy, and sometimes they even make threats, but as a rule they are not actually dangerous. These repeated attacks on teachers suggest some very different diagnoses: ones that society does not look on nearly as kindly.


I have a GED in Psychology (from the same school some of y'all have your GED in Law from) and I'm gonna vote for Bipolar Disorder.  I think there's no shortage of kids whose behavioral issues stem from being treated like a preshus snoeflaek and could stand a lesson or two in the harsh realities of life--e.g. that not everyone is a winner and that life is not some sort of caucus-race in which "everyone has won, and all must have prizes".  I also think that some mental-health conditions are overdiagnosed and that psych medications are overprescribed as a result.  But this kid has something wrong with her brain chemistry and needs meds sooner rather than later, before her social and academic development are foreclosed by her behavioral issues to an extent that will preclude her having any sort of happy life.
 
2013-05-24 10:30:13 AM  

Intrepid00: RedVentrue: namegoeshere: Boarding school Waterboarding School.  is probably the best place for her.

Also, really, I'm the first to mention that she's a Ginger?

Pretty sure tags title is referencing she is ginger.


Yes, I see that now. I will blame my fail on my Aspergers which I do not have.
 
2013-05-24 10:34:42 AM  

someonelse: loonatic112358: Blaming the kids is a lion of shame

I think it's "a lie and a shame," though.


I just copied it from elsewhere on the internet, so if memory serves me you're probably correct
 
2013-05-24 10:38:20 AM  

wickedragon: This. I mean fark, even I got more IQ than that, and the only way to get someone to call me a genius is to pay somebody who hasn't met me.


130 is not genius level intelligence, but by most scales it would at least be described as "gifted". On most typical IQ scales, she would be much smarter than the vast majority of other people.
 
2013-05-24 10:44:45 AM  

geekbikerskum: Millennium: That said, I'm not qualified to diagnose, but no way is this Asperger's. She's crossing lines that are not typical of that diagnosis: Asperger's kids can be awkward, even creepy, and sometimes they even make threats, but as a rule they are not actually dangerous. These repeated attacks on teachers suggest some very different diagnoses: ones that society does not look on nearly as kindly.

I have a GED in Psychology (from the same school some of y'all have your GED in Law from) and I'm gonna vote for Bipolar Disorder.  I think there's no shortage of kids whose behavioral issues stem from being treated like a preshus snoeflaek and could stand a lesson or two in the harsh realities of life--e.g. that not everyone is a winner and that life is not some sort of caucus-race in which "everyone has won, and all must have prizes".  I also think that some mental-health conditions are overdiagnosed and that psych medications are overprescribed as a result.  But this kid has something wrong with her brain chemistry and needs meds sooner rather than later, before her social and academic development are foreclosed by her behavioral issues to an extent that will preclude her having any sort of happy life.


I know you're being facetious, but most psychologists and psychiatrists wouldn't (and IMHO shouldn't unless they have a damn good reason, including SPECT/PET/fMRI scans etc) diagnose an 8 year old with early-onset bipolar affective disorder. Plus the outward expression of anger would indicate (unless she also has other mood swings) exclusively mixed states, and her rapid swing to becoming aggressive would make her ultra-ultra rapid (or radian) cycling. So I wouldn't go with bipolar, no.

Early medication for psychiatric (especially if we're talking psychotic) disorders can be a real mixed bag, especially since a huge range of them aren't approved for use with teenagers let alone adolescents.

/Doesn't stop them from being prescribed however
//Really have NFI what issues she has, can only speculate from a shiattily-written article
///Hey - I'm bored
 
2013-05-24 10:56:43 AM  

loonatic112358: so she's a smart brat who's parents let her get away with murder at home, and are then surprised when she acts like an ass outside the home.

So do we go with the new version

Veruca Salt the little brute
Has just gone down the garbage chute.
And she will meet as she decends, a rather different set of friends.
A rather different set of friends
A rather different set of friends.

A fishhead, for example, cut, this morning from a halibut.
An oyster from an oyster stew,
A steak that no one else would chew.
And lots of other things as well,
Each with it's rather horrid smell, horrid smell.
These are Veruca's new found friends
That she will meet as she descends.
These are Veruca's new found friends!

Who went and spoiled her, who indeed?
Who pandered to her every need?
Who turned her into such a brat?
Who are the culprits? Who did that?
The guilty ones, now this is sad,
Dear old mom and loving dad.

Or my favorite, the classic version because Gene Wilder

Oompa Loompa doompadee doo
I've got another puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doompadee dee
If you are wise you will listen to me
Who do you blame when your kid is a brat
Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat?
Blaming the kids is a lion of shame
You know exactly who's to blame:
The mother and the father!
Oompa Loompa doompadee dah
If you're not spoiled then you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa doompadee do


I will agree - the gene wilder one was much better.

This little brat is a combo of:

www.chicagonow.com

and:
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-24 11:22:34 AM  
Somehow you just know that the parents talk about her 130 IQ within five seconds of meeting someone. "Nice day out today." - "Yes, quite a nice day for me as my daughter has an IQ of 130."
 
2013-05-24 11:27:13 AM  
Maybe her parents should try, oh I dunno, teaching her a thing or two about ANYTHING in this world rather than deciding that a high I.Q. is the be-all end-all of this.
 
2013-05-24 11:27:47 AM  
This is what happens when families want peace at home.  Kid wants to unwind and act out at home, but mom and pop want peace and quiet.  So, they take the kid out in public, where no one is allowed to shame them when the kid acts out.  They take the little confused one home, discipline the fool out of it, and the kid learns to be submissive in private and outrageous in public.  Parents need to discipline the kid consistently, with immediate consequences, not delayed by some arbitrary, just what til I get you home threats.

Probably does have some other stuff going on, but the parents need a swift kick in the butt first.
 
2013-05-24 11:35:20 AM  

Astorix: Nobody on this thread has an autistic child.


Neither do the parents in TFA.

And do you know what Autism is not? An excuse for allowing your child to do whatever they want, whenever they want.
 
2013-05-24 11:35:28 AM  
Despite the fact that the kid is clearly over-indulged by her parents, she likely does have legitimate issues that need to be addressed.

Unfortunately, if she's violently lashing out at teachers when she doesn't get her way, the school really doesn't have much of a choice other than to kick her out. They likely don't have the resources to deal with her problems and it would do more harm than good to all involved to keep her there.

Doesn't seem like aspergers to me, more like the beginnings of a personality disorder. But wtf do I know?
 
2013-05-24 11:37:39 AM  
 
2013-05-24 11:44:08 AM  
Seems like they need to take her to a specialist to receive a proper diagnosis and treatment recommendations. Might also help to pursue family therapy so she can learn better coping skills for her low distress tolerance/difficulty with emotion regulation, and the family needs to learn how to respond to her behavioral problems and to set rules and boundaries with her. Just making speculations about what's wrong isn't going to help her or the family :/
 
2013-05-24 12:34:17 PM  

bighairyguy: You're supposed to beat that kind of behavior out of your kids when they are 2.  Parental fail #1.

FTA:  Mr Tait, 53, said: 'Our lives have become absolute hell. We have fallen apart as a family. 'I am 100 per cent sure that Charlotte has Asperger syndrome and is simply not being listened to. 'I have done a huge amount of research into the condition during the nights where I have been unable to sleep due to the stress that the Charlotte's schools has caused us.'

 
Note that it's "Mr.", not "Dr.".  No mention of taking the little princess to a real doctor who could provide an actual diagnosis of Aspergers, or not.  It could also be possible she did see real doctors and dad was unhappy with her being diagnosed as a pissy little brat.  Either way, Parental fail #2.
/IQ of 130, is that metric?


FTFA, they're  planning on taking her to a doctor--the problem is that she has to wait a year.

/And I highly doubt it's Asperger's, the symptoms sound wrong, at least without any mention of using routines at home. Intermittent Explosive Disorder, though, I could see, since Mommy and Daddy are clearly getting rid of whatever stimuli triggers her at home.
//Either way, the licensed medical professional can sort it out, but I doubt a Fark thread will. And if she's actually mentally ill, treating her like a brat won't do a damn thing.
 
2013-05-24 12:41:43 PM  
I just emailed that story to an Autism specialist I work with for her online diagnosis.

And just what the hell is a "soft play" business?
 
2013-05-24 12:55:14 PM  
Hmmm, let's see:

1. Parents do not teach self control to little slowflake;

2. Little snowflake grows up thinking she rules the world;

3. World has other ideas, expects little snowflake to have manners and show respect for others;

4. Little snowflake throws tantrums when she has to behave like everyone else;

5. Parents blame teacher, schools, system, ADHD, Ass--burgers' syndrome-----everyone but themselves, for not doing their duty.

That about get it?
 
2013-05-24 12:58:39 PM  

vudukungfu: What she needs is some Martial arts training.

a field trip to an eccentric candymaker, an unauthorised taste-test of blueberry-juice candy, and a date with a mess of Oompa-Loompas and a big wine press for purposes of strategic attitude adjustment.

FTFY--"Aspergers" does not mean "Little shiat", people like the parents above actually make it difficult for people with a LEGITIMATE diagnosis of Asperger's, I see the kid and think more "Intermittent explosive disorder" or some other disorder associated with sociopathy, and am reminded of nothing more or less than a certain Violet Beauregarde. :P
 
2013-05-24 01:20:52 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: vudukungfu: What she needs is some Martial arts training. a field trip to an eccentric candymaker, an unauthorised taste-test of blueberry-juice candy, and a date with a mess of Oompa-Loompas and a big wine press for purposes of strategic attitude adjustment.

FTFY--"Aspergers" does not mean "Little shiat", people like the parents above actually make it difficult for people with a LEGITIMATE diagnosis of Asperger's, I see the kid and think more "Intermittent explosive disorder" or some other disorder associated with sociopathy, and am reminded of nothing more or less than a certain  Veruca Salt :P


FTFY. Violet was the gum chewer.
 
2013-05-24 01:28:37 PM  

namegoeshere: Great Porn Dragon: vudukungfu: What she needs is some Martial arts training. a field trip to an eccentric candymaker, an unauthorised taste-test of blueberry-juice candy, and a date with a mess of Oompa-Loompas and a big wine press for purposes of strategic attitude adjustment.

FTFY--"Aspergers" does not mean "Little shiat", people like the parents above actually make it difficult for people with a LEGITIMATE diagnosis of Asperger's, I see the kid and think more "Intermittent explosive disorder" or some other disorder associated with sociopathy, and am reminded of nothing more or less than a certain  Veruca Salt :P



FTFY
 
2013-05-24 01:31:49 PM  

skozlaw: Intelligence is a common marker among sociopaths.

Honest Bender: Way to celebrate mediocrity.

You'd think before somebody started mocking another person's IQ they'd first take the time to learn how a bell curve works.

Yet here you are.


You'd think that before someone calls someone else out for presenting an uninformed view, they'd take the time to learn there's no such thing as a "bell curve" - that term is just a colloquialism referencing the shape of a histogram of a normal distribution, popularized by the book The Bell Curve.

Yet here you are.
 
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