BgJonson79: gopher321: Got promoted last year to a job where my boss says, "As long as the work gets done, your time is your own.". Works great. But of course the work load is greater than before so I can't be f*cking off anywhere/leaving early and all that. I console myself with the fact that my company recognizes the fact that people with kids and other reasons that detract from getting the job done aren't hired for my position in the first place, and I have a greater chance of promotion than they do to an even better job.Isn't that how it's supposed to work?
MmmmBacon: Breeders get special rights that non-Breeders do not, it is simple fact. My co-workers with children can call off with impunity "because their child is sick", but if I call off, Management considers that 'unprotected ill time'. Breeder wants time off to see Little Jimmy's ball game, or Little Jane's recital? No problem. I want time off to do something? Better put in for it months in advance, before one of the Breeders requests that day off, or a denial will come.It is absolute BS.
Shostie: pizen: xlbrooklyn: ecmoRandomNumbers: Don't even get me started on smokers and their breaks.You got yourself started. But please don't let me stop you. I enjoy a good anti-smoker rant.With a smoker argument in a parenting thread all we need now is someone complaining about people taking time off to either have, or continue to not have, a circumcision.I'm thinking about getting my cat declawed. That cool with everyone? I mean, she's an indoor-outdoor cat, but I don't want her f*cking up my furniture.
Mr. Coffee Nerves: Someday there will be a thread where a Florida parent takes an extra smoke break before leaving work early - driving 54 in the left lane of a 55 zone -- to get to the airport laden with massive carry-on bags pausing only to stop at Starbucks and change the baby's diaper on a table then leave without tipping before boarding the flight to go pick up their freshly-declawed cat and refusing to hang up their cell phone complaining about the baby screaming so loud the parent can't enjoy ESPN's "Why is Tim Tebow being unfairly blackballed" on their iPad. Plus Benghazi.
OregonVet: I once left work early to go make a babby. I went to another manager (happened to be the HR) and said, "Hey Ang, I'm leaving early (like 3 PM), MrsOV is ovulating.""Well, alrightie then."/csb
mat catastrophe: No one bothers to ask why we still cling to a stupid concept like the 40-hour week.
bborchar: From my experience, this almost never is about people leaving early, it's about them leaving ON TIME instead of spending every waking moment at the office. The only time people left was when their kids were sick or something was wrong. If they didn't take vacation time, they made it up by working at home or coming in early. My experience is that people are resentful because they think everyone should live at the office like they do. I always left on time everyday (without kids) and some people made comments that they always stayed late. My job wasn't my life, and I wasn't going to make it my life.
Adolf Oliver Nipples: You know what kills office morale? Being in the office. Nothing like "working" an 8-hour day when the work could be accomplished in 5, forcing you to either spread it out or twiddle your thumbs and piss away a few hours of your life every day.If they paid you for, I don't know, work performed, and stopped worrying about the clock so much, it would make things a lot better.Anyway, since they don't do that, I realized a long time ago that what other people do doesn't really affect what I have to do. What, they're doing less than you think they should or they're making more for fewer hours? Them's the breaks. Worry about yourself.
mat catastrophe: No one bothers to ask why we still cling to a stupid concept like the 40-hour week.No one questions why we no longer live in a country where most families can get by with only one parent working.
hubiestubert: When I manage a place, I get all sorts of reasons to leave early. From band practice, to kids' recital, to gallery opening, to concerts, parents coming into town, dates, movers coming, and you know what? I work with folks to make sure the shift is covered, and so long as everything is taken care of, and folks are good with covering for them, drive on. Kids? Yup, it's a good reason. Kids are sick? Good reason. Parent is sick and you want to check on them? Good reason. If you are such a selfish human that you can't understand that sometimes folks have other things going on their life than a deadline or a bunch of file work, or even in my business which is sort of dependent upon having enough skilled folks on a line to take care of things, then maybe you need to work for yourself and take others out of the picture. Or you can man the f*ck up and stop seeing others getting things that you aren't getting like a f*cking four year old, you whining little Sally.Personal time. Folks sometimes need it. For a variety of reasons. Be that because they've got a bike run that they really want to get to. Or a concert. Or maybe they need to pick up some medicine on the way home and need to get out before the pharmacy closes. Or they need to get to the gottverdammt ICU because someone just admitted that they care about. So long as you have some lead time, you can prepare for it. So long as the work is covered, and the folks who you are covering for return the favor, drive on. When childcare is an issue, I try to work with folks. Because that's what you do. You do it, because you hope like Hells that they'll do the same for you. Or even when you want to duck work and meet some friends who are blowing into town early.The important thing is: is the work getting done? Not a mark on the clock, but is the work getting done? If someone isn't pulling their weight and needs more time, then you need to reassess their workload. If folks need a regular early day out, then you prepare for it. ...
Jim_Callahan: mat catastrophe: No one bothers to ask why we still cling to a stupid concept like the 40-hour week.Because that's the legal standard for full-time work without overtime, numbnuts. If you're questioning why that's the legal standard for full-time with no overtime then I suggest you stay off the grown-up internet for a while, you'll understand adult topics like basic US history and the gilded age once you've finished fourth grade or so. Until then, you need to have a discussion with your parents about where it's appropriate for a six-year-old to surf.
Lsherm: BarkingUnicorn: Lsherm: Shostie: I'm thinking about getting my cat declawed. That cool with everyone? I mean, she's an indoor-outdoor cat, but I don't want her f*cking up my furniture.For 20+ years of my marriage my wife and I didn't believe in declawing cats, and then we ended up with one that put me in the hospital because he took so much skin off my forearm we couldn't stop the bleeding. Our vet, who also doesn't believe in declawing cats, recommended declawing him. So we did.Sometimes, you have to. He had already destroyed the furniture, so we weren't worried about that. Some cats just need it.Have you seen these Cat Claw Sheaths?We did those. We also looked into snipping the tendons.The sheaths work for a limited time and only if the cat doesn't bite them off. They come off naturally since the nails grow and shed the outer shell on their own. However, you have to hold an 18 pound cat that is already prone to biting and scratching once a month to put them on. If you consider that a solution, you're a better man/woman than I am. It took two of us three days to get just his front claws covered, and we lost more blood because of it, not less.That's a good solution for a cat that scratches furniture, but is otherwise calm. It is not a good solution for a cat that is hell-bent on attacking you, because he's going to attack you every time you need to put those caps on.It all worked out. He's an indoor cat, he's still active four years on, but he can't do the damage he did with claws. He lives with two female cats who weigh at least 8 pounds less than him, and he's still managed to wound them enough to get stitches even though they have their claws. It's nice to think that cats shouldn't be declawed, and I still believe that, but there are exceptions to the rule. He's one of them.
natas6.0: laughing at people with the 19 year parasiteI work for the evil empirewhatever those who weren't smart enough to use a condom can doso can Iand I will call them on their bullshiat.You gotta leave early to get yer crotchfruit at school?I'll get the school to fax a schedule of when the kids are let out..so sorry I ruined your scam on the rest of usIf everyone is equal, and the rules say discrimination is illegalthen the empire will always bend over so I can get time offmy dogs miss me, and so does my bartender
ecmoRandomNumbers: Don't even get me started on smokers and their breaks.
Jim_Callahan: Not that there aren't douche bosses that have favorite employees that get more leeway, but 99% of the time the policies are identical for everyone (with the exception of actual maternity leave) and you're just not actually asking for things in the right way or on the right schedule. Try for some minimal people skills, man.
Guest: Adolf Oliver Nipples: You know what kills office morale? Being in the office. Nothing like "working" an 8-hour day when the work could be accomplished in 5, forcing you to either spread it out or twiddle your thumbs and piss away a few hours of your life every day.If they paid you for, I don't know, work performed, and stopped worrying about the clock so much, it would make things a lot better.Anyway, since they don't do that, I realized a long time ago that what other people do doesn't really affect what I have to do. What, they're doing less than you think they should or they're making more for fewer hours? Them's the breaks. Worry about yourself.Maybe there should be a push for a 6 hour work day not 8. Also 8 weeks annual leave at half pay or 4 weeks for Americans as I believe they only get 2 at the moment.This would lead to less tired employees and increased production.More time for parents to spend with children:More people being employedMore money earned in recreational industries since people have more time to spend in them.Children spending less time in paid childcare.
desertfool: ecmoRandomNumbers: Don't even get me started on smokers and their breaks.Yep, my 3 10-minute smoke breaks per day really ruin things. But my co-worker taking a two-hour lunch so he can run and swim, and coming in late/leaving early because he bikes to work is just fine.
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