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(SlashFilm)   While DC still can't manage to get a single Wonder Woman on the big screen, Marvel is about to have TWO Quicksilvers running around   (slashfilm.com) divider line 25
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2013-05-24 01:07:28 PM  
2 votes:

Danger Mouse: The only thing DC has in it's stables that is decent is Batman.

Everything else sucks.


There's no reason you can't make a Wonder Woman movie, or an Aquaman movie. Iron Man wasn't even on our radar a decade ago, and he's now the biggest superhero on earth.

What makes the difference is having directors, cast and producers that actually give a shiat about the stories and aren't just pooping something out for the money. Christopher Nolan, Sam Raimi and Joss Whedon took these projects seriously. Branagh grew up reading Thor and the producers understood that he fitted the film.
2013-05-24 03:46:47 AM  
2 votes:
I haven't picked up an actual comic book since the 90's, but I remember Quicksilver as just being a whiny little emo biatch, who happened to be able to move fast.  I can't grasp how that character could get tapped for two different movies, and yet there is nothing for Gambit, Age of Apocalypse, the whole Mr. Sinister storyline.
2013-05-24 11:15:42 PM  
1 votes:

mekki: HotWingAgenda: and yet there is nothing for Gambit

Gambit is really tricky character. Above all else, you really need the right actor or else he will not work. Like how Tony Stark would probably not work if anyone else but Robert Downey Jr were playing him. (RDJ can do that arrogant but vulnerable thing that prevents Stark from being an insufferable jackass.) For Gambit, you need an actor who oozes charisma and knows how to pull off that Southern gentleman thief. Basically, be a huge flirt and know how to turn what is a thief and occasionally murderer into someone you can't help but be charmed with. That's a tall order. You could have the best writer in the world but, again, if the actor isn't there, Gambit will come across as a creep.

Who do you think could pull Gambit off? I am having a hard time coming up with an actor that fits the bill.



A decade ago, I'd suggest Harry Connick, Jr.   He was the bad guy in "Copycat" and was fantastic.
2013-05-24 10:54:32 PM  
1 votes:

Rwa2play: RyansPrivates: Rwa2play: Ahem, let me remind you:  Joss Whedon proposed a WW movie with Cobie Smulders as Diana.  The WB execs turned him down.

Now, if you listen closely:  That weird sound you hear all the way from Hollywood is that of WB execs banging their head against a brick wall over that decision.

I had totally forgotten about that.   Thanks for reminding me how stupid the WB execs are.  Dammitsomuch.  Whedon is probably the best person alive (arguably better than Timm) that could do it right.  But I would accept either Whedon or Timm.

Again, another difference bet. Marvel and DC: trailers.  Teaser trailer for "Man of Steel": Meh.  Teaser Trailer for "Iron Man 3": SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY~!


Maybe for the teaser trailer, but the most recent trailer makes it look pretty good.
2013-05-24 07:00:06 PM  
1 votes:
And then he can marry Johnny's girlfriend in the FF reboot.
2013-05-24 02:36:47 PM  
1 votes:
All this talk about Quicksilver and no pics of Scarlet Witch cosplay?

For shame, Fark.  For shame....

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2013-05-24 02:26:19 PM  
1 votes:

Scorpinock: While Marvel has had some success at the movies, DC has completely dominated in the video game market. If you are a fan of the comics, I suggest checking out Injustice.



I wouldn't go that far.  Home video market, yes.  Video game market?  Kind of a toss up.

Arkhams were good, MK vs DC was crap.  Injustice is alright but there's no real depth to it.  It's just another fighting game with the characters reskinned to look like Superman and Batman.  Lego games don't really count since they're all working with the same formula and again, reskinning everything to fit with the theme.

Marvel's had Ultimate Alliance 1 and 2, both great.  Xmen and Legends, some amazing Spiderman games.  Marvel vs Capcom was mediocre.  Avengers Alliance is surprisingly fun and there's a new Deadpool game coming out next month.  

So, your argument really doesn't fit there.  If you would have said, "Injustice is an awesome fighting game and I really like it," then there would be no argument.  But to say they "dominate the video game market" just means you're kind of delusional.
2013-05-24 01:58:44 PM  
1 votes:

BafflerMeal: ExcedrinHeadache: Hay guys! Did anyone explain Quicksilver's "behind the woman at the ATM" thing yet?


I don't know anything about that.  But here's Pietro talking about people being slow at cash machines.


[www.comicdom.gr image 596x920]


I love this.  We have 3 posted trying to recreate the scene from memory, and then the actual panels from the comic.  So interesting to see how different people recollect that one exposition.
2013-05-24 01:51:01 PM  
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: brigid_fitch: HotWingAgenda: I haven't picked up an actual comic book since the 90's, but I remember Quicksilver as just being a whiny little emo biatch, who happened to be able to move fast.  I can't grasp how that character could get tapped for two different movies, and yet there is nothing for Gambit, Age of Apocalypse, the whole Mr. Sinister storyline.

I hated Quicksilver for the same reasons, until one issue of (I think) X-Factor.  After that, I completely sympathized with him.  He's in a therapy session w/Doc Samson, who's trying to figure out why Quicksilver's such an anti-social asshole.  His response is something along the lines of, "Ever been in a hurry and find yourself behind someone at the bank and they're fumbling trying to find their ID or hunt for a pen to fill out a check?  Or in a grocery store where someone is digging for change and doling it out to the cashier, penny by penny?  Is that frustrating for you?

"That's what it's like every. Second. Of. My. Life."

As for the Flash comparison, that's the major difference between the two of them... the Flash can turn his speed on and off. Quicksilver, though way slower than The Flash, is stuck at superspeed compared to everyone else.


Which is where Marvel succeeds and DC fails.  Marvel heros are very often at odds with society.  They are commonly hunted and scorned by the populace they may be trying to protect.
DC heroes are typically seen as demi-gods or at least paragons of their society.

Well crafted characters with deep back stories and sometimes serious psychological issues vs. I will stop you evil doer!

Which would you prefer to read?
2013-05-24 01:16:04 PM  
1 votes:

Lord Binky: DC rocks the house anywhere but film with the exception of Batman. I think the key problem is not the properties but the execs. They cannot seem to let a good character have a good movie other than Batman. John Constantine, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern - these all could have been good movies because it's not the characters themselves who suck.   I think a possible team to helm DC movies would consist of the following:

1. Bruce Timm. DC Animated Universe and all the DTV Animated movies are proof that he knows how to handle all these characters. His Green Lantern movie was good and he managed to make a good Wonder Woman movie. He knows how to make you take a man who dresses like a flying rodent seriously, at least in cartoon form.


No argument there, he could probably make an Ambush Bug movie damn entertaining.  He's that good.

2. Geoff Johns. The man rose to prominence he was good at breathing new life into characters. He was basically "Mr. Fix It" and he can weave a long term story together well. Plus, if he works on movies he might have to step down from creative control at DC. I think his overall quality took a dip because he's creatively stretched thin. This might focus his creativity.

This; Johns' stuff has turned to crud ever since he got the big job.

3. Michael Jelenic. The story editor for Batman Brave & The Bold. I'm guessing he's the key creative mind behind the show and I think he "gets" DC's characters in a way that the above two don't. He made a fun and entertaining Aquaman. He found a way to make Crazy Quilt a threat. But beyond that he goes for a more fun, whimsical, campy style that utterly embraces the nature of the characters and doesn't take itself too seriously. And despite all that, he managed to infuse seriousness into the show towards the end of the first season.

Hell, he got the Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel and Cap Jr into an awesome story.  He gets points in my book just for that alone.

That would be my dream team to helm DC movie projects because they'd all bring something different to the table while being capable bridges between each other.

The one thing they'd need is zero interference from the execs at WB.  If they're gonna sink or swim, it'll be on their own and without WB farking things up.
2013-05-24 12:57:31 PM  
1 votes:

Captain Steroid: [i1182.photobucket.com image 256x192]

I really want to know how the hell they plan to pull this off.


Simple: Marvey/Disney will not mention Pietro's (and Wanda's) upbringing as per the agreement with Fox.
2013-05-24 12:53:51 PM  
1 votes:

Gaambit: mekki: HotWingAgenda: and yet there is nothing for Gambit

Gambit is really tricky character. Above all else, you really need the right actor or else he will not work. Like how Tony Stark would probably not work if anyone else but Robert Downey Jr were playing him. (RDJ can do that arrogant but vulnerable thing that prevents Stark from being an insufferable jackass.) For Gambit, you need an actor who oozes charisma and knows how to pull off that Southern gentleman thief. Basically, be a huge flirt and know how to turn what is a thief and occasionally murderer into someone you can't help but be charmed with. That's a tall order. You could have the best writer in the world but, again, if the actor isn't there, Gambit will come across as a creep.

Who do you think could pull Gambit off? I am having a hard time coming up with an actor that fits the bill.

I, too, was on board with Josh Holloway a few years ago. He basically WAS Remy LeBeau on "Lost".

Currently? I don't know why, but Karl Urban immediately came to mind, at least for looks.
Personality wise, Jon Hamm is always charming, is quite funny, and can at turns be menacing. Plus, you know, women love him.


Dunno, I first started thinking Stuart Townsend, but I'm not sure if that is great casting or terrible casting...

Josh Holloway would be good as well, though a lot of people are just going to think "Hey, it's the guy from Lost!"

RyansPrivates: All WB needs to do to get a good Wonder Woman movie (or good DC movie in general):

Pay the money, how ever much he asks for Bruce Timm to head it up.  Give him total control.  Don't question him.  Don't second guess him. He knows this shiat better than any suit at WB.  He would make a kick ass live action movie.


Amen, brother!
2013-05-24 12:34:00 PM  
1 votes:

spcMike: mekki: HotWingAgenda: and yet there is nothing for Gambit

Who do you think could pull Gambit off? I am having a hard time coming up with an actor that fits the bill.

Josh Holloway.


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2013-05-24 12:20:31 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah. This is not "synergy" between the two companies. It's definitely a pissing contest.

As I've been saying all along: Singer is crabby because his movies suck (Superman Returns, X-Men franchise) and Whedon's first time out of the gate with a superhero movie is a gigantic hit. Singer's trying to get his version of Quicksilver onto the screen before Whedon gets his up there, so that Singer's will seem like the 'real' one and Whedon's will seem like a 'rip-off', when really-- considering how the FoX-Men have been handled, is the other way around.

And before any of you scream for synergy between the two companies, let me remind you that if you accept the FoX-Men in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, you'll also have to accent the Foxtastic Four and their shiatty version of Doctor Doom and Galactus.

And there's no way Marvel Studios is going to let the terribly-written history of the X-Men movie universe become canon for their own movies. If they do that, they have to accept things like mutants waging a war on the west coast (very publicly, I might add), or mutants attacking world leaders at the Statue of Liberty, or public battles in which mutant terrorists wreck train stations, police cars, neighborhoods... And all of this before Thor, Iron Man, or The Hulk were first seen publicly.

Yeah... That kinda kills the whole "Everything changed when you came along." theme that they were going for.

And then you have to start asking stupid questions, like why doesn't S.H.I.E.L.D. recruit any of the mutants from the X-Men movies, or why don't they go after the mutant terrorists? Why was the Avengers Initiative so important to saving the world when there were already teams in place like the Foxtastic Four, right there in Manhattan?

And Marvel would have to suck it up and accept that the President we saw in the X-Men movies was the President in their own universe, and that The Beast was a very public, very famous political adviser in that President's cabinet, and that the Cuban Missile Crisis was in part due to mutant terrorists, and that the Golden Gate Bridge was ripped out and moved, and SO many other awful story elements...

Sorry, but none of that should ever be canon in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

I suspect that the studios actually have a clause that says that whoever uses Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch first gets to keep them. I may be wrong, but I'm betting Fox is wedging Quicksilver in just to fark with Marvel Studios.

So what Marvel needs to do is shoot a sequence for Thor 2 where Jane Foster is watching TV, and she sees Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch on the news. Get it in there before Fox can get their cruddy FoX-Men movie to the theaters.

Of course, if it truly is a case where we're going to see two versions of the character, I really hope Marvel Studios shows up Fox in every way.
2013-05-24 11:58:04 AM  
1 votes:

legion_of_doo: FirstNationalBastard: Then, DC made sure the characters I enjoyed were rastified and rebooted, and the long-running books nearing the first 1,000th issue in comics history were restarted with #1.

The Wonder Woman reboot is good. The Green Lantern reboot isn't very far removed from the pre-reboot series, plus you've got the Hal "I'm an ass" Jordan & Sinestro odd couple.

The Demon Knights thing would be cool on the screen, but that will never happen.

Can't speak to most of the other reboot, though.

/can't farking stand the Batman anymore, and I was a big Batman fan growing up


That's what perplexes me most about New 52!
Superman is totally rebooted, WW is rebooted. Then parts of Batman are rebooted in some areas but not all (didn't Morrison's Batman & Robin just continue on?) And the Green Lantern books were all restarted and renumbered, but they were essentially continuing the same story from the old universe!

It was all terribly confusing and gave a mixed message. It's making Zero Hour seem like a well-planned event.
2013-05-24 11:57:53 AM  
1 votes:
DC rocks the house anywhere but film with the exception of Batman. I think the key problem is not the properties but the execs. They cannot seem to let a good character have a good movie other than Batman. John Constantine, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern - these all could have been good movies because it's not the characters themselves who suck.   I think a possible team to helm DC movies would consist of the following:

1. Bruce Timm. DC Animated Universe and all the DTV Animated movies are proof that he knows how to handle all these characters. His Green Lantern movie was good and he managed to make a good Wonder Woman movie. He knows how to make you take a man who dresses like a flying rodent seriously, at least in cartoon form.

2. Geoff Johns. The man rose to prominence he was good at breathing new life into characters. He was basically "Mr. Fix It" and he can weave a long term story together well. Plus, if he works on movies he might have to step down from creative control at DC. I think his overall quality took a dip because he's creatively stretched thin. This might focus his creativity.
3. Michael Jelenic. The story editor for Batman Brave & The Bold. I'm guessing he's the key creative mind behind the show and I think he "gets" DC's characters in a way that the above two don't. He made a fun and entertaining Aquaman. He found a way to make Crazy Quilt a threat. But beyond that he goes for a more fun, whimsical, campy style that utterly embraces the nature of the characters and doesn't take itself too seriously. And despite all that, he managed to infuse seriousness into the show towards the end of the first season.
That would be my dream team to helm DC movie projects because they'd all bring something different to the table while being capable bridges between each other.
2013-05-24 11:31:53 AM  
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Then, DC made sure the characters I enjoyed were rastified and rebooted, and the long-running books nearing the first 1,000th issue in comics history were restarted with #1.


The Wonder Woman reboot is good. The Green Lantern reboot isn't very far removed from the pre-reboot series, plus you've got the Hal "I'm an ass" Jordan & Sinestro odd couple.

The Demon Knights thing would be cool on the screen, but that will never happen.

Can't speak to most of the other reboot, though.

/can't farking stand the Batman anymore, and I was a big Batman fan growing up
2013-05-24 11:31:27 AM  
1 votes:

Danger Mouse: The only thing DC has in it's stables that is decent is Batman.

Everything else sucks.

Everything.


That's clearly bullshiat.
2013-05-24 08:15:32 AM  
1 votes:
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2013-05-24 07:43:42 AM  
1 votes:
You know, if I were Bob Iger, "I would have already called up Fox and said "You guys ever want to see another dime of Star Wars money via distribution? Sell us the X-Men and Fantastic Four rights. We'll even cut you in on distributing those films too."/And toss in Serenity rights too while you're at it.
2013-05-24 04:27:00 AM  
1 votes:
The Flash is never an asshole just because other people are slower than him.
2013-05-24 04:01:24 AM  
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: HotWingAgenda: I remember Quicksilver as just being a whiny little emo biatch, who happened to be able to move fast

You're correct, he is. I wonder if the movie makers will try to make Pietro more friendly for the movie screen.
Then there's that whole thing where he and his sister the Scarlet Witch, were members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, I wonder if they'll gloss over or ignore that while they are at it.
He's been noble at times, but always reverts to character.


I just wonder how they plan to explain where Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch came from in the Avengers sinve I'm sure they can't mention Magneto at all.
2013-05-24 03:58:33 AM  
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: HotWingAgenda: I remember Quicksilver as just being a whiny little emo biatch, who happened to be able to move fast

You're correct, he is. I wonder if the movie makers will try to make Pietro more friendly for the movie screen.
Then there's that whole thing where he and his sister the Scarlet Witch, were members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, I wonder if they'll gloss over or ignore that while they are at it.
He's been noble at times, but always reverts to character.


Something on him from Wikipedia:
It has been revealed that one of the reasons for his abrasive and impatient personality is that it seems to him that the rest of the world is moving in slow motion and that he is constantly waiting for it to catch up. As he once explained, "Have you ever had a day where you are at the ATM and you are in a hurry because you're running late but the person in front of you doesn't know how to use the ATM and they're taking forever? Now imagine what it must be like to spend every day surrounded by people who don't know how to use the ATM."
2013-05-24 03:43:18 AM  
1 votes:
Nobody really wants to watch Wonder Woman, is why.
2013-05-24 02:02:07 AM  
1 votes:
A comment on how they couldn't get a Flash movie onscreen if they edited two episodes of the John Wesley Shipp TV show together would have been a better comparison, Subby.
 
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